oleg sahakyan and viktor boborenko were the guests of our program today, gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, during the program we conducted a survey, we asked you about this, do you do investigative journalism, so the results of the survey are 94%, yes six no - these are the results a survey of those who watched the television broadcast. in addition , on youtube we have a ratio of 88 to 12%. on this, friends, i put a full stop, i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your relatives. it was a program. it was conducted by serhiy rudenko, i say goodbye to you until 8:00 p.m. the next day. there are 20% discounts on anticatarrhal drugs in pharmacies , plantain for you and savings. vinyl agency represents. on january 2, at 7:30 p.m.

, taras chubai will perform on the stage of the lviv opera and songs that will be sung by all of ukraine. the special guest of the concert is the lviv men's academic choir chapel dudaryk. tickets on karabas.com live sound. there are discounts on deflu, 20% in psyllanyk, bam and oskad pharmacies. 10 years ago, after two months of protests on the maidan, the verkhovna rada, which was then under the control of then-president viktor yanukovych, passed the so-called dictatorial laws, which greatly limited the rights of citizens, but among other things, they also limited... the work of independent journalists,

i mention this today in the context of the events of the last few days, when independent ukrainian journalists are again complaining about pressure, persecution and threats, and all this in conditions of full-scale war. my name is vlasta lazur, this is svoboda live, we are starting. there is systematic pressure on independent journalists and investigators in ukraine. this was announced today by mediarukh, this association ukrainian media, journalists and public organizations. calls on the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to respond to the persecution of journalists and asks to take control of the investigation of crimes against media persons. the statement notes that in the last few days, there have been attacks on yuriy nikolov, a journalist of the our money project, on bigusinfo, and also on media detector, ukrainian pravda, nv, censor, babel, ligunet, and espresso. anonymous telegram channels that publicly declare that they work for the government and constantly protect it. tea and scavenger sites

are already systematically persecuting independent media and investigative journalists, arranging provocations for them in real life. unknown aggressors are trying to expose ukrainian journalists as enemies of the people, russian agents, drug addicts and to discredit their professional work. i would like to remind you that the day before, the head of the bigusinfo journalistic investigations project, denys bigus, recorded an address where he responded to a video published on the internet, in which the operators of his project use prohibited items. substances, bigus told that according to members editors followed for about a year, and fragments of intercepted conversations were edited from several episodes between which months had passed, leading to the installation of cameras in girls' rooms, to frank interference in private life, because once again, no matter how i feel about what i saw, no matter how twisted i am i wasn't, no matter how much i freaked out about all this, it's... a deeply

private life, and in which the participants, let's be honest, only harm themselves, they don't pose a social threat, so to speak. it is not known on what grounds the monitoring of the media took place, today at lunchtime in the sbu reported that the department is investigating the circumstances of illegal wiretapping and video recording of journalists. here it makes sense to recall what exactly the editorial staff of bigusinfo talked about during the last months. well, for example, about the fact that solar stations under the russian... occupation, which are co-owned by the entourage of the deputy head of the president's office rostislav shurma, received payment at the green tariff until the summer of 23, although they probably had no connection with the unified energy system of ukraine. bigusinfo journalists also talked about how deputy head of the national police dmytro tyshlek uses the real estate and cars of the family of the partner of the head of the rostov criminal group, and his wife did not get rid of her russian passport even after the russian invasion. biusinfo, in the end... told how hundreds of millions

of hryvnias for the reconstruction of buildings and infrastructure facilities destroyed by russia in the kyiv region were distributed to those involved in criminal proceedings and to companies with a criminal background, owners or directors who were indirectly connected to the management kyiv regional state administration and the office of the president. in the latest investigation , the agency's journalists told how a company owned by the people's deputy from the servant of the people, oleksandr marikovsky, prepares regular media reports for the president's office and the cabinet of ministers, in those reports a warm bath for the president. the number of positive news about the government significantly exceeds the number of negative, criticism of the government is called attacks, responsibility is placed on the opposition media. well, as i already mentioned, the association of ukrainian journalists calls on volodymyr zelenskyi to personally respond to attempts at pressure and harassment. during the day, we asked for comments to the spokesman of the president, serhiy nikiferov, as well as to the adviser to the head of the president's office, mykhailo podoliak, we asked them to comment, but

neither the first nor the second responded to the offer. well, instead , our colleagues, journalists, as well as representatives of public organizations comment on the attack on the bigusinfo editorial office. in this context as well. recall the recent attempt to attack the residence of investigative journalist yuriy nikolov and state: these events in their totality are very reminiscent of the times of viktor yanukovych's presidency, they say, the same methods and the same means. while some are paying with their lives to win for us a future free from russia and all that it brings, others are openly sabotaging our future in order to stay afloat or to curry favor with their boss in a high office and keep a line on dirty information. operations, if there is no public reaction to this provocation from the president's office, it will be noticed not only in ukraine. the attack by the authorities on denys bigus' team is even more dangerous, and most importantly, dangerous, than on yuriy nikolov, because it was guaranteed to be carried out by state institutions, and it is not so important

who exactly led the journalists for months, the sbu, the sbu, the national police or the foreign intelligence service. it is important that such actions a are obviously illegal, and b) could not. not be sanctioned by the authorities, any of these bodies are under the control of the president, either directly as the sbu and szr, or through tatarov, like the rest. therefore, full responsibility for everything that will happen next is borne by zelensky personally, paired with yarmak, of course. the fair and the presidential people seem to have misunderstood the event's anti-corruption message as a condition for further military aid. it is naive of the president and his team to believe that they will remain silent while they attack those who are inconvenient to them. journalists, our western partners now read independent ukrainian media much more carefully than they listen to zelenskyi's evening speeches. so it's time to say something, mr. president, because we and the world need to know if you think persecution is the norm journalists in ukraine, which is fighting for its way

to europe. eavesdropping and illegal surveillance with the use of special equipment , edited by bigusinfo, are serious crimes in which the law enforcement agencies obviously cannot be complicit. the seriousness of the signal is that people who have such power and opportunities are so sure of their impunity that they display their criminality in public. while the president is trying to temper the world, for the sake of saving the country, someone behind his back is harming both the president and the country, which is why the reaction is extremely important the leadership of the country. what is happening around top journalists in recent weeks evokes disgusting memories of 2013, with the same surveillance, mail hacking. and a bunch of pedantry, probably, this is a logical consequence of the fact that no one sat down for it then, and then even returned the influence to the authorities. now, with the help of a few technologists and most likely law enforcement officers, they want to reduce journalists to the perception of them as peddlers, dodgers and drug addicts, in order to cover their own corruption with a fig leaf. and

who are the judges? well, he joined our broadcast nikita peturaev, people's deputy, servant of the people faction, head of the humanitarian information committee. politicians, good evening, good evening, mr. poturayu, look , the majority considers the president responsible for what is happening, regardless of whether he knew or not, and what do you think of me ? political technologist, why do you think the president is silent, and now the second day has passed, there is no reaction, i don't know why the president is silent, i think it may be related to his international on a business trip, but let's return to the situation, and not to whether a certain pause can be caused by the president, because in such a situation i am convinced that he wants to study this issue and answer personally, returning to the situation, i really do not like it , because i do not

separate, i do not believe in such coincidences, you correctly noted, neither as a media person nor as a political consultant, i simply do not believe in such coincidences and the situation with yuri... with the team of denys bigus, i told i'm sorry, well, once again, i don't believe that such events happen one after the other one without connection. now, as for the comments that you showed, i believe that the most correct was from mykhailo tkach, well, because there were simply certain inaccuracies, i understand that some colleagues wrote in emotions, so we have to remember, that in the country , only two state structures have the official equipment to carry out such things, these are the sbu and nabu, moreover, i'm sorry, i'm sorry, after all, nabu, nabu, it should also take sanctions. from the sbu for wiretapping, this is exactly what i wanted to say, that with technological capabilities,

it cannot be done so simply, that is, neither the sbu nor the foreign intelligence service have such capabilities, well, the foreign intelligence service is a completely different story, it is definitely not necessary to confuse it there, it is simply incorrect and looks a little, well, what about the sbu, according to the service the head of the security service is appointed by the president, we know that the sbu has always been politically dependent in this way historically. from the president, which is why all these comments are directed at the president, perhaps? comments directed at the president because that's exactly the level of the president's reaction, nothing else, that's me i fully understand, i support, because this is unprecedented, this has really not happened in the country for a long time, this has not happened since the time of yanukovych, well , i do not remember this since the time of yanukovych , i believe that there should be a reaction, i believe that there should definitely be an investigation, and... because in fact, in fact, technical capabilities are not only in state bodies, let

's face it, then, well, there were and always have been corporations in ukraine that had their own counter-reconnaissance, intelligence, divisions or outsourcing such companies , it's illegal obviously, but technologically, such possibilities were and are, and we should not forget that during yanukovych's time it was also often developed... well, so to speak, by private hands, but what i am 100% convinced of is that there should be an investigation, and the investigation must clearly determine who is guilty in these two cases, i do not share them at all, and you said that you do not consider it a coincidence that two cases in a row happened with nikolov and with bigus, look, one event is too close to the other , it is possible for me... there may object that, well, these are slightly different things, so, but there are

sure , let's not take up time right now, we can talk about this separately for a bit longer, there are certain things that i think, again, as a political consultant, combine these two situations, i could be wrong, and i'd like to be wrong, and i hope that the investigation, as i am convinced should be in both cases, will prove that maybe i was wrong, that there is no... connection, but if there is no connection, there is a connection or not, but those responsible for these two cases, it's not even a shame, well, it's a pure crime, and it should just be stopped with all the strictness of the laws in force in our country, investigated, investigated, proved and stopped, you know that it is possible, that it is possible, the desire to... was repelled, as they say, after the 13th year, because not all cases were brought to an end, their it is difficult to prove

in reality, but it seems to me that this is not the case, look, there are many things here, this is also a matter of the honor of the state, yes, this is also a real danger for the state from the point of view that we should not allow such cases to happen, what does it affect, what do you mean, dangerous for the state, it affects the… social unity, because it refines societies, and it undermines trust in the authorities , and it creates socio-political divisions and so on, that is, it is internally dangerous, and it is externally dangerous, because people from all over the democratic world look at us as for a country that elects with the blood of our best representatives, the highest principles and values ​​of the democrats. and in such a country, well, look, anything can happen, in

the united states, at one time, president kennedy was killed, well, you know, such a one, maybe example, but i say that in every country anything can happen, but there must be a reaction, a reaction, why actually still very often in this context the president or the office of the president is mentioned, because you know, you saw that the video from the attack at nikolov's residence and this surveillance of journalists was carried out. crowded on anonymous telegram channels, which are indirectly associated with political technologists who work or cooperate with the president's office, friends, well, i, i can only be one. to remind, well, telegram is a mistake, i don't use it, i said repeatedly, i'm there joined the campaign to refuse telegram , even before this campaign began, now in so-called russia, in bashkortostan , there are environmental protests, arrests of people there, so on and so forth, so there in russia

, the authorities turn off the telegram channel without any problems, well this says something, this... well , it can already teach someone that telegram is a platform completely controlled by russia, in a small bashkortostan, in a small village , fsb officers are coming and turning off telegram channels, which means , when we put, it means the sbu, or the national council there, so, the question of whether they should at least remove the content, they are just laughing at us, is for me. and look, and this, and this is the problem not only that there is no law, but the problem is that millions of ukrainians use, use, saying, well, it ’s convenient, well, listen, ukrainians learn about the alarm in ukraine from telegram, this yes, i have one last question, please tell me, but there is a price, but actually there is a price that you have to pay, the price can be

high, the presence of garbage from russian to domestic, mr. peter, i have the last thing the question is, what can the verkhovna rada or specifically the committee that you head do in this situation, are there plans to make any appeals, statements, etc., specifically regarding this situation regarding the persecution of journalists? we are in coordination with mr. yaroslav vorchyshyn, his committee, tomorrow we will send the same appeals, i am convinced that the committee supports my proposal to the prosecutor general's office, to the sbu, if i am not mistaken. the sbi and the national police, well, it is being prepared in the secretariat, today we are with mr. yaroslav we talked about it together, he already sent it, we, well, he sent it from himself, we will send collective ones from all the members of the committee, who will join and sign, if the colleagues support it, we will also accept it tomorrow, so the statement from the committee is collective, but

the appeal, well, if to talk about the instrument, then this is an appeal and tomorrow they will... leave us already, i am convinced of this, well, that is , they will leave even if my signature was there and two colleagues were there, but i am convinced that all my colleagues will sign , or almost anyone who can. thank you very much for comment, mykyta poturaev, people's deputy, servant of the people faction, chairman of the committee on humanitarian information policy, we discussed the pressure and persecution of ukrainian independent journalists and talked about what consequences this whole story might have in the future. thank you very much, and for this one. oksana romanyuk, director of the institute of mass information, will now join us, and we will continue this discussion with her. oksana, do you hear me, see me? yes, i hear you, good evening. i read your statements, you said the day before what if they say, by today evening, i understand it, by yesterday evening, there will be no strong reaction of the authorities to this systemic pressure of journalists, then it will be very bad for ukraine, and for

ukraine as a whole, before what it will look like and in the international arena, reactions. no, well, if you don’t take into account the sbu, which announced that they are opening criminal proceedings there , there is no reaction from the country’s leadership, i mean the president’s office, or i don’t understand why there is still no reaction, i believe that it should have been operational yesterday , and i believe that the president's office has a sufficiently powerful communication department that could foresee this and organize some kind of public distancing from this case, to be honest, i did not understand this situation. because i know that they are able to respond promptly, and unfortunately, this story with pressure on journalists, on investigators, it has signs of being systematic, and all the more we need some kind of public and very clear position of the authorities on this matter. i will remind you once again that rfe/rl appealed to

the president's office and to adviser mykhailo podolyak and to the press secretary of the president serhiy nikiferov, she. they did not respond to our messages, although they read them, you also said that you are very sorry to see these examples that remind you of yanukovych times, you, you really think that yanukovych times are returning, if we talk about the persecution of the independent press. well, the bighuls said they had been followed for about a year, bugged for about a year. i really don't remember this since yanukovych. we monitor the violation. freedom of speech, and we record violations of the rights of journalists, and indeed, this kind of discrediting and pressure on journalists, indeed, it has not happened like this for a very long time, that is, in a systematic way. on the investigators, especially since with the beginning of the full-scale invasion, after all , russia has become the main aggressor in ukraine, russia is killing journalists,

russia is persecuting as many journalists as possible on ukrainian territory, but it seems that someone has already forgotten that we have the country is at war, and someone already believes that it is possible to fight with anti-corruptionists from the media, so i really do not like this situation. and i really don't i like the fact that we still don't have a government reaction to this story. in addition, we saw that the sbu initiated criminal proceedings under article 356, this is illegal wiretapping, but i do not see the national police promptly initiating criminal proceedings under article 171, at least this is obstruction of journalists, this is pressure on journalists, i believe that this... the proceedings should have been initiated very quickly and due to the fact of persecution and pressure on yury nikolov, let me remind you, he is a journalist who

exposed large-scale corruption in the ministry of defense, and by the fact of eavesdropping on the pressure and simply outrageous disclosure of journalists' private lives, which was carried out literally yesterday, which concerned bigusinfo journalists. tell me, please, do you have an answer to the question of why this... is happening, whose path the journalists could cross with their investigations, are these people in the president's office, or do they hold some other very high government positions? well, actually, it could be private players or some part of the system, because journalists, investigators, they did a lot investigations that also concerned the current, let's say, representatives. various bodies , as well as those who were there before, for example, there was an investigation, it seems, about the former head of the national police, and we can say that this,

well, if we were talking about those who might be interested in such persecution of journalists, namely, i will add one more point here, the fact is that telegram channels spread information about the pressure on journalists. which are connected with the office of the president, the more so the office of the president had to very quickly and publicly disassociate himself from it and still does it didn't happen, we don't really understand why, so i believe that the president should take the investigation of these cases under his personal control and promptly hold some meetings on this matter, because it harms the image of ukraine. i will just say that we, as a state, we, uh, we protect democracy, we protect values, we are like that democratic david who fights against the evil goliath,

the russian, totalitarian, russian, this, russian dictatorship, and here we have such things happening things that are not, that actually contradict the values ​​that we have declare, that's why i believe that here... there should be a very strict position of the authorities and there should be a very prompt investigation, if this does not happen, then i think that all journalists will then have a very difficult time working in ukraine, and actually, oksano, you, you, you mentioned the police, i have to quote here, rfe/rl has received a response from the police, the police investigators are waiting for a statement, then a criminal case will be opened, in this case the investigators need a written statement from, because the article belongs to the category of private accusation, the police's answer, i'm sorry, according to the criminal procedure code , the police can initiate a criminal case against

the public upon a public report, if it concerns, especially such a high-profile case, i don't think that we can only talk about private life here, i think that it's about pressure on the journalist, and that here we are talking about 171 articles of the communist party of the people's republic of china, the communist party of ukraine, ugh. well , the fact that they are still not ready, well, the sbu has brought the case, it’s true, and the police for some reason has not, so, well, i think that the police should still react promptly and take action, in my case, allow me, i have one last question, you know, a lot of people are watching us now, who may not be connected to the media and not connected to journalism, and they can ask a simple question, well, journalists are watching the people involved in their investigations, why journalists cannot be monitored, and i am also sure that... many people do not fully understand why we pay so much attention to this topic, someone might think that because we are friends, we are all journalists, that is why we pay this attention, or just out of

solidarity, could you explain… to people who are not really part of the journalistic and media community, why do we pay so much attention to this topic and why is it important and why is it possible in some future and even ordinary people may be affected eventually? and journalists monitor how budget funds are spent, journalists monitor corrupt officials, they expose the facts of corruption, the journalists themselves are not some well-known public figures, they are not uh... uh, i'm sorry, we hear you, we hear you, but but the video is hidden, but we hear you, ugh, and this is actually private individuals and their private lives should not concern anyone at all, and if we were talking about some crimes, let's say, but we are actually talking about pressure, threats, intimidation, harassment of journalists,

even when... journalists are investigating some corrupt officials, about those involved in some proceedings there, they still separate their private lives and they do not make any such outrageous accusations, and the actual case, which concerns public resonance, which concerns some state funds and so on, so here cannot be compared at all, and behind each journalist, in fact, who is under pressure , there are millions... of citizens, his audience, who do not receive information about the investigation, whose rights will not be protected, who will not be able to get any help there, so things , concerning journalists are extremely important, it concerns each of us, not only the journalist shop, because journalists are the mechanism that protects democracy, the rule of law, and human rights in our country, so this is...

a short question, did they call to comment on you this topic, for example, for a television marathon , is this topic discussed there at all, well, i was called by the public, it seems that no one else called, no one else, this is also revealing, thank you very much, oksana romanyuk, director of the institute of mass information, we talked about pressure to the journalists, the independent journalists that we have been watching for the past few days, thank you. donald trump won, well , you could say, a knockout in the first republican primary in the state of iowa, he left behind both ron desantis and nicki haley, of course, this is only the beginning and the victory in iowa does not guarantee trump the status of the republican candidate, nevertheless, he started bright, his statements about ukraine were no less bright, just after the victory in the republican primaries in wyoming, trump promised to resolve the

war situation very quickly in ukraine. putin and i get along great, we get along very well, that's good, not bad. if fake news became real and honest news, 90% of our problems in this country would be solved. the situation with ukraine is terrible, and we are going solve it, we're going to solve it very quickly. i know president putin very well, i know zelenskyi very well, i can involve him, we will solve it very quickly. this should never have happened. primaries, or, more precisely, caucuses, a gathering of members of the republican party in iowa, is traditionally the first stage of internal political elections of the republican party in the united states, the next will be the primaries in new hampshire, which will take place on january 23, and the republican candidate will be decided by the end of spring and will be formally nominated on the july congress of the party, well, let me remind you that the elections of the us president will be held on november 5

, 2024, so what are these? interestingly, a number of criminal cases involving donald trump did not prevent him from confidently winning the wyoming primaries. last year, donald trump was charged in four criminal cases. the first of the trials is scheduled to begin on march 4, but could be delayed due to defense appeals. and even if trump is, trump is convicted and sentenced to prison, it will not absolve him the right to be elected. these are the actual laws in the united states. ihor eisenberg joins our broadcast. professor of nyu, good evening, we have a good evening, good evening, madam, good evening to all the audience, and you, and you, you have a day, yes, first simple question, as of now, what are donald's chances trump to victory? you mean in the elections in november? yes, yes, in the elections.