you and i know everything about zelenskyi, and we know that he did not donate blood, poroshenko did, and zelenskyi was somewhat ashamed to donate blood, although the first one there offered to donate blood and see who sniffs what and who does what, but i will say the following, all journalists, honest and truthful journalists are under threat, and you already said it? i just have to confirm your thesis that someone will behave, someone will believe there, and someone will then say: well, they are all the same, who do you believe, my god, what kind of investigative journalists are they there? stabbing, sniffing something else there, something else there, lgbt followers there or something else, well, in general , quiet horror, but the matter is different, the matter is different, that's what i... i would like to emphasize

that you imagine that someone spends people's time, er, not only technical means, as a resource , yes, but also some, well, roughly speaking, there are technologies of the 21st century, there are people, talent and time, yes, that is, someone's human talent and time is spent on what, no, for war with russia, not against, well, not against. action of propaganda, in order to shoot bigusa there, butusova, there or someone else, still, still, here, and in fact, tomorrow they may come after you, but we are not sure whether serhiy mirudenko is not being followed now, or whether they are not following vasyl in the winter, and they are not following anyone else. the address or

on the direct or on the fifth, who knows, but we can't worship, because someone spends some resource on it, and whether it is effective at a time when we need a resource at the front, we need even in the rear, even on your tv channel, resources are needed, human resources and, well, people, talent and time are needed to make it all. worked but someone substitutes, and someone, well, who, and someone , let's say this, does not really deal with what is needed, that is what we need to pay attention to, and if the authorities are involved, then, by the way, we also recently asked how many in the office of the president employs people, then it turns out that 372 people work in the office of the president, are they engaged in it or not? thank you, sir, mr. viktor,

i don't know what they want to know, well , i hypothetically imagine that they are listening to something or, well, i don't know, filming, i don't use drugs, i don't drink alcohol, yes historically, i don't smoke, well, maybe they hear some conversations that i have on the phone or on instant messengers, i just can't, but sometimes i remember. or about the president's office, you must be muttering, well, i don't know what is possible, what they can find out, apart from the fact that i already write and say publicly, that is, but, frankly, i am saddened by these stories, why , because you mentioned the employees of our tv channel, when we started talking from lviv, portnikov moved to lviv, and since he was served as he admitted all along. and they also recorded various

videos, then threw in during the revolution of dignity from his personal private life, then in the apartment, which he filmed in lviv, they also found them listening to the devices, and then the sbu came there, took away these number recorders or not i know that he had an ee lying there in his apartment, no one gave answers to these questions, what they listened to, what they wanted to hear, because he literally... a few minutes ago wrote on facebook about what he says: i never engaged in journalism investigations, i never revealed any corruption scandals there, but the fact itself, i was always engaged in political analysis, what they wanted to hear, is also not incomprehensible, sir, mr. oleg, this is what is happening with journalists, well, obviously it is happening with politicians, i assume that at some point they are told, listen, here in

the folder, there are photos, you are there, you can find the video on a flash drive, there are photos, or there are some conversations, transcripts, we are talking about you we know everything it is clear what is possible want from journalists and what this story shows, about the government, about the state of society, about the fact that the government is as accurate as it was 10 years ago, that it listens, eavesdrops, there, tries to throw some stories into the media space in order to for everyone to discuss bigus there, to knock on the door of yuriy nikolov and... who conducted a major investigation into the ministry of defense and found out that they were buying eggs for uah 17 a piece, that is, what do they want from journalism? well, listen, a lot has already been said here, and many in this broadcast others in general have already been caught

by the society of hamandits, this topic is understandable, it is not shameful and criminal to listen, but it has always been, and we also understand that, unfortunately, it is. history has always happened and is happening, and accordingly, the services should work to stop it, and not, on the contrary, tolerate such actions. here there is absolute solidarity of society with journalists, investigators in that these are unacceptable steps, and here is the fact that this idea from, ah, they are all drug addicts, so you should not listen to them, it did not take off in society, and on the contrary, it now hits the authorities with a ricochet and puts them in the position of justification and proof that they have nothing to do with it, this just speaks well enough of us for manipulation. society did not behave, and this is the good news, the bad news is that such practices, their return is now our life with the force of antiquity, and they are connected with the fact that the political struggle has returned in its pre-war forms, in low, primitive, black, ah,

illegal forms, at the expense of national security and defense, because it is clear that such political competition , which... works according to the luz model, in which no stone is left unturned in the struggle, it is currently a threat to the existence of the state itself, when we are in the very crucible of war with a more resourceful enemy, and it is bad news for us that this is not the only moratorium, particularly on political competition, that has taken off in the 23rd year, and we do not have a permanent or emerging one that is gaining its legitimacy. models of political competition in the conditions of war, because it is anyway will be, and we cannot put political competition on hold in conditions where we have entered the phase of a protracted war. yes, a short war, a blitz cry, and its quick repulse, for a year, for a year and a half, was enough for a moratorium in

society. political life simply froze, and what could not be frozen simply went beyond the sufis behind closed offices, into discussion, in particular in the parliament without cameras, but... from a certain point it returns by itself, and if there is no such model, it not built, a new one, then this political struggle returns to the old ones forms, and now we are also observing the layering of several crises at the same time, in particular a political one, and accordingly, then sparks begin to form and along the lines of the government, the opposition, the journalistic environment becomes more and more in the position of replacing itself with the opposition, that is , monitoring and controlling the government, the government in such ... in this case, the media actually sees political competitors and the opposition, and not a part of society and a third force, and in such a case, all the shameful post-soviet and soviet stupid methods are turned on, which simply even in surnames still remain in

in power and have existed there for 30 years without change, no matter who is in power, it's just that even these cadres, who only know how to work, they have not cleaned the system anywhere, they no longer talk about institutional, regulatory and other changes that would have us today to protect against this, so the positive news is that society has reacted in a sufficiently mature manner, although here too there is something to cross a little and something to work on, and from the side of the mechanism and model of life during the war, here we are deuces, as society and as a state and as elites, we do not have this political model competition not at the expense of national security and defense in conditions of war. thank you, mr. oleg, mr. oleksiy, we are talking about the fact that this may be the result of internal politics, or as a result of internal, internal clashes of those people who were under

the crosshairs of our colleagues, journalists, investigators, but we, well, practically do not hear another version, which may well be that similar... the russians could also use the stories, because this is an attempt to throw in compromising material or create some kind of situation. and strengthen the split between journalists and the authorities, that also one of the elements may be subversive work by russia, and it is quite possible that the federal security service may also be behind all this, as an option, i am inclined to the fact that the internal situation prevails here, but could there be external factors that could to push or... to push to this, because , well, honestly, i have been working in journalism for 30 years and with

every power it is practically the same thing, you start writing something, you start saying something, i also do not conduct investigations, i do not conduct any anti-corruption programs or more something, but i encounter one and the same , they listen, they look, even during yanukovych's time , i also had a label... when i moved from ukraine to another country, i was always brought into some office and tried to find out whether i am serhiy rudenko, and this was also when i already started talking about it publicly, i say, well, as long as you can, i cross the border and every time i am mistaken for some recidivist and they say, well, we made a mistake there, that must have been it, that's what i'm saying , i already have a passport, you already have a database, you see who it is, who, then i have people who worked in the special services, they said: you just had a label on you, and you had to, well , be responsible for what you do, for what you

say, you were simply fixed and each time they brought you into the office and had some kind of conversation with you there, mr. oleksiy , well, this is such an interesting question, in fact, i am 25 years old, i am like you, sergey, i have been in this field for a long time, you are a journalist, i am a political technologist and i have seen a lot, thank god that there are generations like... oleg is wonderful, he i explained everything in principle, that is, realistically, i already sometimes, sometimes it seems that we do not have normal politicians experts of the younger generation, i see oleg and understand that there is still, yes, he said everything correctly, if there is no political life, if there is no opposition, if there is no parliamentarism , if there are no parliamentary parties, if there is no political activity, then of course the latter is an outpost of democracy , an outpost of freedom of speech, these are journalists

, it's normal, this, this column that should carry this flag, so to speak, of our desire to see life better than it is, and we saw it on the example of that russia itself, so that they were the last ones they crushed journalists, that's for sure. speaks very badly about our country, in fact, in fact, because of course, any of these things with bigus and nikol, it should be a matter of journalistic investigation, precisely because of the inadmissibility of such measures against journalists in general, in principle, i am not talking about the moral side , everything else, we 've seen it all, well, this, this, this, this is such a normal thing. for our country, i am not even surprised, the mechanisms that have been used

for ten years are being used purely hibiscus absolutely mechanisms, we remember the publications about journalists, oppositionists in russia, when he went to a prostitute there, and in your video immediately something else appears there, well, drugs are not the worst moral point of view for our society, here everything is at once, everything is so clear here that i don't even want to... are the russians interested in this, well of course they are interested, interested in any internal conflict in the country, moreover, they are interested in the ukrainians seeing that all those who speak the truth in ukraine, yes are trying at least something in this delusion of absolute, all-out victory, of all that we are already, that we are russians. are they degenerates, and

in general we are already holding a meeting tomorrow in moscow, it is preferable that these are the people who voice it, that they are drug addicts, or that they are homosexuals, or that they are still there beating their children, pedophiles , in general, this would be an ideal option, just an ideal option, all the mechanisms are all clear, absolutely, i told all my ex-wives that, god forbid, if i become famous... i did not become like that, because a lot of things can come out that, so to speak, we don't want outside, but it is desirable that they influence, because we must understand that... this, if we want to go to europe, is the private life, not of a political person - this is the law , just ? a journalist is not a political person , absolutely, but even if he is, if he does not violate the laws in principle, yes, by the way, i want

to make such a definite exit, so that the special services will immediately understand and so on, so i... i have an incurable disease , i am treated with chemical cannabis, yes, yes, i, i use it, so they bring it to me from america, give thank god to friends who do this yes i do thank god it seems like yesterday our president supposedly signed this law thank him very much and i hope it won't be a punishment that marijuana is. a drug, so to speak, so all that i see, well, for me it is on the one hand, well , it is clear that it is funny, on the other hand, it is terrible, it is terrible, because it is clear that what will happen next, there will be a crisis, this , it's a sign of a huge crisis, it's just that if they can't find other ways to communicate than to

discredit journalists, that's what i'd say word. but i don’t want to say, because it’s on the air , but it starts with the letter p and ends with the letter c for our government, it’s complete, i ’ve been involved in this business for 25 years, when this word came, it came, under yanukovych, under others, it’s me i remember, everyone went through this fact , yes, when they understand that everything is over, they start to use it, well, unfortunately, just all these moments we, our country pay a huge price... and all these moments, they are of course just like that do not pass, because what nikolov does, what bigus does, can be done to them many questions to ask, many questions to ask, but they do much more than the beloved does for the huge number of our poor elite, you can't find another word, also grinkevich, yes, who

was finally announced as a suspect today, these scumbags that no one knows. they don't smell anything, they don't at all, they dance all day from morning to night in embroidered dresses, yes, maybe they don't even drink, i believe it, they don't even drink, maybe yes, these bastards cause much more grief for our country than any journalist who is simply interested what is happening in our country. during the war, of course, this is a great crime against those, first of all, who are fighting at the front, well, against everything. of the whole society, colleagues, let's take a short break, we'll be back on the air in a minute. vasyl zema's big broadcast , two hours of air time, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about the war and what the world is like, two hours to keep up with economic news and sports news, two hours in the company of your favorite presenters, presenters who

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the political agenda is formed, and people who clearly understand how work works. journalism, because each of them is active in working with journalists during election campaigns, i think that any of the three of them can answer how the editorial office works in the middle, not only i can talk about this, gentlemen, but we started talking about this political component and the fact that the current government... it has to somehow react to what is happening, and it cannot to be during the war, that unknown journalists come to knock on the door there and scare the patient. to the mother of journalist yury nikalov, it cannot be that someone sneaks up on you, starts filming your private life, and shows

this private life without the permission of a private person, unless of course it is a crime and does not violate laws, why, mr. viktor, in your opinion , there is no unequivocal reaction from the guarantors of freedom of speech in ukraine and... people who are in charge, at least one person who should react to this and say: listen, this is a question of the future of our state in general, because next to our victory, and with our movement towards victory, it is important for us to preserve democratic values, because what is said and what is not said in ukraine is heard and seen by our western partners. yes, that's right, the western partners see and understand everything very clearly, and i would say why the authorities don't reacts, very cool for this government, said

the first whisperer in zelenskyi's ear, there was bohdan at the fair, yes, when he said that we don't need journalists, we ourselves will talk to the people there directly, there, like through the stands, actually the whole. this is what he does, they don’t need your tv channel, they need a single marathon, yes, where are the dungeons and where are there, well, everything is correct, yes, everything is recorded, yes, and they don’t need other journalism, including investigative journalism , not only that, they create their own there journalism, they, i tell you, here, now i tell you from sadness. so that you know that in sums , 2 billion subventions came, yes, the local government created its own cabinet and if it

will now investigate how the money is spent, well, so that you understand the degree of the bottom, here they are, they do not need anything , they themselves, they don’t need journalism at all, and this is... traditional, because zelensky himself started as a media person, he replaced journalism with himself, you could watch, well read, rudenko, i don’t know, there is boberenko, portnikov, who else is there, who else, rachmanin, mostov, and so on, and so on, so on, yes, you could watch quarter after quarter, if only the news you wanted was given to you. they will hear , yes, who is bad, who is not good, there is something else, something else, something else, in the convenient rhyme of the language, which ee, my dear

aunt over there from barabashov in kharkiv, over there or from the seventh kilometer near odesa, that’s all for them it was clear that those who watched matchmaking, it was their cultural entertainment, or they watched the 95th quarter and formed their political culture. through the 95th quarter, and that's exactly it there was a technology, a very cool technology , it worked, we are witnesses to it, you wrote a whole book about it, well somewhere like that, that ’s how it works, it works exactly like that, that is, with all due respect to oleg, oleg said that if society didn't believe in... in this whole mess, yes, eh, but we are now talking about the best part of society, and 42% who still

trust the only marathon, 42%, according to the latest social studies, then they probably but these 42% believed that such bigus, nikolov there, and about whom they have not yet told, they will say, well damn, and we doubted it, all journalists are like that , an ancient profession, but somewhere like that, that is, some part of society will believe it, because they want to believe it, because, and that's why they don't work with journalists, and yes, glory to god, you and i will be seen at g7, yes, thank god, when the ambassadors come, here is my advantage over them, you are kyiv experts, yes, and i am a regional one. so my preference is that if an ambassador comes to the region, he goes to meet with the regional administration, with the mayor, there is something else, and he sits down with me for dinner,

and i tell him... and i tell what is happening in reality, and also there, well, i can’t name from the osce and so on, and so on, and so on, for whom i conduct examinations there, including for money, here i am telling, as an expert, what is really happening, with my expert opinion, where i am each, each rating, conditionally there... from zero to 50 points, i write arguments, why i put a zero here, and there 10 points, that's about right, thank you, mr. vik, but they don't need all that, mr. viktor, mr. oleg, if you advised the current president of ukraine , maybe you do, i don’t know what you would do, what you would advise him to do in this situation, because during the war, such

stories that unfold around... journalists, they can lead to a sharp drop in support for zelenskyi, if journalists will actively talk about it, talk about it, because to tell us that we are all drug addicts, well, this is quite such a simple and stupid technology, and it is unlikely to work, i agree with you, well, if the only news will tell about it, somewhere, probably in two months, there too... people will also understand and accept this, well , those who can believe, accept it, they are not the target audience, let's say the work of journalists in general, and they also believed , so in a similar way, that for the most part, still, people in the media perceive the information they hear through the prism of whether it confirms their perception or, in the best case, beliefs that they already had before or not, and string their own

beliefs on this through... this prism perception of this or that information, if it is such bright and loud, not unambiguous. and i am not a consultant for the current president, just as i was not a consultant for the previous ones, but of course i interact with certain authorities and on certain issues it is clear that i communicate certain ideas, in particular to the current authorities and in particular to the office of the president, where this is the interest of the ukrainian state, because expertise and expertise, it involves interaction with various political subjects, you know, as in the anecdote about... political scientists, never listen to political scientists during elections, because they are definitely with someone work in the elections and will campaign for someone, and if they do not work with anyone in these elections, then all the more do not listen to them, then they are so bad that no one needs them and they are not paid, so they understood that we all or else we cross paths in our political life with politicians of completely different backgrounds, quality of expertise, intellectual scope, representatives of our political environment, if we talk

about... if possible, mr. oleksiy, 20 seconds more, and the recommendation was simple: leave now, literally earlier today, and to say, i have seen information about something like this, it is absolutely shameful, and i personally appeal, as the guarantor of the constitution, to the law enforcement agencies to do everything, and it is an honor for you to find the mandir now, because as it is, someone in ukraine is listening to journalists, especially and here to joke, the drug addiction topic, well , you know, i have met with this, listen, we definitely have to find who did it, and to journalists, to other investigators, this is also a matter for you in the honor of your professional flail, investigate, we will find it together , because this should not happen in for modern ukraine, everything, took a stand, joked, stood above the situation, the best way out for any politician. thank you, volodymyr oleksandrovich, just a free recommendation from oleg sahakyan, absolutely free. mr. oleksiy, i understand

that you have already decided that this is the beginning of the collapse of zelensky's government, since it is happening right now, no, no, no, no, no, i am not saying the beginning of the collapse, this is the beginning of the collapse of our democracy, which in principle, in principle, it was nothing special, so the 24th year will be a significant year, we are now at a crossroads, a particular crossroads where we are. there is an opportunity to follow a path, nevertheless, yes, very difficult, very difficult, zelensky will have to make very difficult decisions, it concerns his environment, it concerns his principle of work, it is necessary to deny completely what he said at the last press conference, yes, my team is great, we cope with everything, it is necessary that a doubt arises, whether we cope with everything, or whether we are doing something right, and this idea, which in

principle went away from the clear. when are you here?