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significant, but not everything went according to plan right away, he should have been present, at least via video link, via video conference, zaluzhnyi, did not take part in any way, ukraine was represented at this meeting by another person, major general salkutsan, this is some kind of signal, because we understand that despite the fact that military affairs are being discussed here, there must also be some such elements of diplomacy, well in principle principles are very much the same here, well , it should be noted that this is the first meeting of the ukraine-nato council, since its creation, since the creation of this structure in vilnius last year, and in fact we can say that this is the fourth such meeting, the first was constitutive, then there was two meetings at the same level of ministers of foreign affairs in november, and a meeting was held a week ago, today, yesterday. already at the level of the ministers of defense, and
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indeed here this meeting was convened at the request of ukraine as a result of such a large-scale shelling of the ukrainian state by these drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, during the new year holidays, christmas holidays, somewhere around 300 missiles, 200 drones, were directed at these a limited number of days to ukraine. cities and, in fact, all of ukraine was under the threat of these attacks, so here we are interested in the fact that the discussion of the protection of the ukrainian sky, so that we strengthen our anti-missile anti-aircraft defense, increase the number of these defense systems, including patriot and skynet, airist, and nasamsi, has moved to the practical level. this is about the fact that
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now a consortium of individual european countries is producing about a thousand patriot anti-missile missiles, which will be handed over to us, it is clear that we need to have several times more of these missiles. than russia has missiles to attack and to be guaranteed to defend. the best option for protection is, of course, ukrainian integration air defense systems and nato member countries. there is an example in this excellent integration of the ukrainian and european energy systems, why not integrate air defense. ugh. mr. serhiy, to the ukraine-nato league. these information and pr efforts, which cost tens of millions of hryvnias for taxpayers in ukraine, are not frightening, so that a group of comrades led by the supreme yermak traveled around the world, to davos, gathered a large number of people and presented them with a collection of toasts, for all the good
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against all evil, it is called peaceful and the peace plan from the side of ukraine, which is being grumbled, including in... in moscow, because actually unilaterally guaranteeing all these 10 points that i managed to read, it just reminds me of some, i don't know, at dinner parties, a party in a mental hospital in chamber number six, and there is not a single word about the euro-atlantic integration enshrined in the constitution of ukraine, our experts, colleagues, including those from the west , say, listen, isn’t this some kind of stupid game, which has the benefit of the occupier to stop the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine and replace the introduction to nato with these pr procedures? well joining nato is important for the country
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, it is obvious, it is written in the constitution of ukraine, thank god that there was a period when the deputies of the verkhovna rada with a constitutional majority introduced these things into the constitution and... today it is no longer a topic for discussion, but a law that should be performed by civil servants, first of all citizens of ukraine, and contribute to the fact that we acquire this membership. it is clear that there is still no consensus on the part of nato, and subjectively this is influenced by the russian-ukrainian war. we cannot reject it, about that, well, as an option for this strengthening. the security of our country, er, the g7 , the g7 guarantees our security by signing such bilateral security assurance agreements, and in any
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case, this is a step forward, a step to strengthen our security, i think that this the direction is great, and mr. sergey, but you understand that these bilateral things will not... replace the unified security system and the fifth article of the nato charter, and accordingly, mr. sunak can come for another big selfie session, because he has nothing to lose , re-elected, he did not will be re-elected, so the pr component here is good, and when you read what was signed, even the canadians were surprised, and what kind of two-way exchange of toasts and wishes for a good life do you have, the truck brought 3 billion dollars, so let it pass more often. let him bring it, that's the first, second, compared to the fact that we didn't have such agreements in previous years, and now it's about this, so it's a big step forward, i think that when big, when countries guarantee us security, it's worth something, but
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these are not treaties that are ratified there parliaments, which do not directly provide for such direct participation, do they not want to push such agreements to us, which... it is not what we expect, everyone is simply convinced that in washington for various reasons we will definitely be invited and there we will be taken with our hands and feet in nato, but we remember that the war continues, it is not known how long it will last, a bunch of ukrainian territories are currently occupied, and the russians are not appeased, and we are now starting to sign agreements here, as if they are good, but then... no such as are necessary for us felt safer, well, i absolutely agree with you, the agreements are good, that is obvious, yes, but it is not all that is needed, well, it is also true, it is not not nato, not membership in nato, because nato has a well-developed mechanism
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, this is an instrument of protection, long-term, where everything is thought out, where there are many plans, where the criteria, standards, order for... troops and forces have been worked out, and this is the best, and it is clear here, if, as for the public league of ukraine nato, which and in the civilian period, and now, if it is defended. i share this opinion i think that we need to continue on this path, they said that the door is open for us, we have to see how it will work, it is very difficult for us to refuse, so if nato would come up with, maybe non-war ways, how to still make some positive regarding our accession to nato, what are the new, new forms of rapprochement with nato, to be, we are already... strategic partners, we have a partnership program for the sake of peace, we have a charter,
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it seems that we are no longer deyuri, but where - de facto members of nato, well, this is the way to go, to achieve interoperability, to pursue those reforms, all of which have already been implemented, well, of course, we have to give ourselves the answer that this is not all, but we need to go this way so that our partners have no arguments... it will be harder and harder for us to refuse and to accept such a negative decision , i will quote you, you say that it does not look like we are no longer just de jure, but de facto members of nato, but in fact all these agreements, or at least one of them, gives us any guarantee that , that they will stand up for us, we can’t even wait for those taus, long-range missiles, we get in pieces, a maximum of dozens of pieces, not in... hundreds or thousands, how is it really necessary to wage such a war and defend yourself? well, it's true, we call on
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our partners to do more, after all, there is ramstein, which unites not only countries and nato members, more than 55 countries, it seems, include australia, new zealand, morocco, there is japan, that is, we receive a lot of help , and here, well, you need to appreciate this one. that is, but does it help, does it enable us to liberate our territories and succeed on the front of the kind we want, obviously not, well, germany, well, it took a long time to make a decision about leopard tanks, they were finally given, there are a certain number, now the same is said about aurus missiles, i think that we do not need to leave this dialogue and continue to convince our partners that we ... we need such long-range missiles, and the most important thing is that our hands are freed so that we can
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use long-range missiles on targets in the russian federation, to destroy the very possibility of shelling our territories, because you can sit for two years, yes how do we have it protecting the sky is also happening, and russia is firing at us from any point of its country and feels safe, that is, we need to destroy these... bombers, airfields, missile carriers, there are sites for launching these missiles so that, this is impossible, therefore i think that this way, namely to convince our partners, to give us such an opportunity, is very important, precisely at the ukraine-nato council, which is taking place these days, i think that this should also be discussed and will be, well, actually, too we have hope, because everything is developing more and more. local and regional conflicts, and then they will tell us, well, we would like to give, but we can't, because we ourselves
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need it, we will shoot here and there, fine, but actually in conclusion, mr. sergey, i wanted to ask you, have you already we mentioned ramshtein, the 18th in order will be next week, it's such a strange story, but today we started the morning with the fact that the decision, which was pushed so hard among muscophiles in the nato country called bulgaria, to hand over a hundred armored personnel carriers to the armed forces of ukraine. it was approved, and now it is like this a strange game: it was approved, but not handed over , there are funds to transport it to ukraine, but the bulgarians say, but we think, no matter what, maybe it would be better if ramstein would pay for it, we are trying to get them to give us money, but so far they don't give , in a word, it resembles such a kindergarten in a sandbox, that the hands are lowered, why does this happen in practice, well, the czech republic... gives us weapons, and paid for them, specifically, well, as
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an option, i am an example of that the czech republic gave us weapons, norway and denmark paid for them, well, bulgaria gives us theirs for free, but well they want someone to move it, maybe they don't have the funds for it, and here they don't, they say they have, but they're sorry, well, if they give it to us for free, then maybe we'll find the funds ourselves to move what we need do they give for free? well, in principle, it's a good idea, if you sell a couple of cars from under the verkhovna rada , it will be just enough, well, that's right, maybe so, because you can understand the bulgarian mentality, and you can pay the money, here we are... you all you all television all talked a lot about corruption somewhere in various ministries and the departments there were overpaid for some goods, it is possible to direct these funds to transport these bris from bulgaria and thus to discuss less on this topic, and to achieve a result, if we are all focused on the result, then we will do it that way, and
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in particular, well, i'll just give you another example of... i'm already concluding that the european union promised a million shells, they handed over 300,000, but there, well, the policy is such that this european money goes specifically to european enterprises, and which cannot increase this number, well, maybe if the task is simply to provide ukraine with shells, then it is necessary to allow spending these funds outside the european union, to bribe them in south korea. in australia, and then this task will be completed, so here i think, simply from what is standing, whether to support european enterprises or to provide ukraine with shells, which prevails? your arguments are logical and convincing, mr. serhiy, thank you for the conversation serhiy jerch, head of the ukraine-nato public league, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine,
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we talked about such things, by the way, let's see how we talk about money further, we focused on corruption. and to that end, the member of the anti-corruption council of the ministry of defense and the head of the public council at the kmda, gennady kryvosheya, are now joining our broadcast, we congratulate you, mr. gennady , good day, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, glory, not even a year has passed since we talked about scandals with food for our servicemen, and here is a new story, recorded in the ministry of defense, very frequent, massive underdelivery of food products, there is a company that receives orders for large amounts, in particular one of the documents that i saw, it is for uah 2 million, and delays for many, for many military units, do not deliver, they say, problems with the weather, and that is why it is so difficult to conduct, but what for they were taken up, then they promised to deliver everything in a few days, whatever you
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say about it, so we see, today, on the one hand, there is deterioration, and there is also warming, but... seriously, the first, well, i am very pleased , that the ministry of defense reacted quite promptly to this information, in a different way in principle, it should not have happened, but this is a certain plus, because in the last week , at least two meetings are held every day, and there is daily contact, in fact, control of the supply of products to each military unit, in which, in which were non-delivery, as of today. well, by the way, we are also now at one of the inspections with the management, later, i think the ministry will make this information public, but the leadership of the ministry of defense involved me as a member of the anti-corruption team in this inspection, the purpose of which is precisely including to check in which parts what exactly is lacking, because the information today may
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differ in some moments, and for this the ministry needs to have more than just complete information. and understood to what extent we can make appropriate changes in the future so that similar situations do not recur, that is , we need to dynamically look at which, where there are problems with this or that supplier, who won a larger number of lots, yes, we are interested in we had and new companies appeared and the like, but they must understand whether they are ready to fully provide during the war. necessary military food products, that is why such a set of measures is being carried out today right now, in addition to this, the ministry of defense has already been conducting for the past two weeks, together with the armed forces of ukraine in the eastern region, in fact, in fact , another group of people is working on the front lines, who check including the availability, how
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the products are delivered, and they also check individual groups of goods for the subject. precisely the quality of supply, because it is still from, well, probably from the middle in december, we began to note that members of the anti-corruption council and members of the public are contacting us a lot , as well as the military, about the fact that the quality of food products has significantly decreased for individual suppliers, so now this issue is under strict control, of course from the anti-corruption council, us although not much, we try to summarize all this information and work, as i said, separate groups of people who check it from the ministry of defense. of course, mr. gennadiy, since it was hyperbolized somehow, what with of all the cases of corruption, somehow around the new year and the holidays on... they shed more light on igor hrenkevich and his singing family , with which we noticed a little that there is little information and it is not
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unclear about a no less fun story, because explain to us, maybe we just they didn't update the information, is there really one such aunt, the supplier of the ministry of defense, that's how it always sounded, the supplier of the ministry of defense tetyana glinyan, about... just then it turned out that in croatia it is not bad to buy hotel complexes for 10 million euros, that is, for our viewers let me explain, it is 500 million hryvnias, half a billion, and in this case too, there was such information circulating that it continues to be a supplier of the ministry of defense, it really is so, and what about this case in general, look, then, well, let's go back a year back, eggs , the story with the eggs, it was actually the same company that... with this person, that is, by the way, the anti-corruption council never received an appropriate, appropriate response from the ministry, because according to our information,
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we clearly have not yet received confirmation of how much was paid for these eggs for 17 hryvnias and whether there were at all, because it’s a scandalous story, we just can’t bring it to the end, but in fact then all the agreements were immediately there, it was in additional agreements there, well, according to the information of the ministry and the supplier of the company’s shares at the time, it was a technical error there , allegedly as an error, okay, let’s go further with this story , today we have another company, it is a group of companies called, oh, now they are called, it seems, grand consult, and they also won a separate number of lots and feed separately regions are also ours armed forces, in terms of quality... and , relatively speaking, during this period, i discovered only two, well , we discovered there, i, if not for such a council, i had only two complaints, according to which we discovered violations, i'll be honest,
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in one case, this violation was immediately eliminated , in the second case, inspections are underway, because there are certain comments regarding the quality, but this product is not supplied by them now, the fact that they actually win is a fact, the fact that they fed and fed the military under one company, when there were direct contracts to the conduct is transparent, there was one company, exactly the same as the other participants, they actually all renamed their companies, they have other companies and went to the auction with completely new companies, where, well, in principle , people were registered on these companies, not so we have a lot of time, just look , it's somehow easier with hrenkevych, something has been seized from the property, the contracts have been played out, he is sitting under investigative actions, everything is clear here, so this aunt tetyana glinyana and her... eggs for 17 uah reznikova is she under any investigation or not? is reznikov converting eggs in the hotel, we have one minute
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, i heard, well, and i say it again, we need clear information about the eggs, how many were captured there, not purchased, about the hotel, then my position is this, i do not welcome , when , well, i do not welcome when those people who work for and receive funds from the budget can show off somewhere abroad or in ukraine, showing off that they... buy something for millions there or for billions from one sides, on the other hand, this is during the period of martial law, on the other hand, we must understand where they are took these funds, if these funds are honestly earned, then the other side, this is their moral side, on the other hand , we must understand that the ministry of defense is not actually the sole source of income for some one or two companies, when one or two people at the expense of budget funds in our country, in a word, we are waiting for investigation data, we want it from the law enforcement officers. here and there , the question is precisely for the law enforcement officers, who have to bring it to a logical conclusion, mr. gennadiy, yes, thank you for the conversation, gennadiy kryvoshey, a member of the anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense, and with
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