from lviv, portnikov moved to lviv, and since he was being served, as he admitted, all the time and various videos were recorded, then during the revolution , dignities from his personal private life were thrown away, that is, in the apartment, which he filmed in lviv, they found also listening to the devices, and then the sbu came, they took away these number recorders or i don't know what he had lying there. in the apartment, no one gave answers to these questions, what they listened to, what they wanted to hear, because literally a few minutes ago he wrote on facebook that says: i have never been involved in journalistic investigations, i have never revealed any corruption scandals there, but the fact itself, i have always been engaged in political analysis, what they wanted to hear, is also not incomprehensible, sir, mr. oleg, here... what is happening

with journalists, well, obviously this happens with politicians, i suppose that at some point they are told: listen, here in the folder, here are the photos, you are there, you can find the video on a flash drive, there are photos or there are some conversations, transcripts, we are all about you we know, it's clear what you can want from journalists, and what this story shows about... about the government, about the state of society, about the fact that the government is as accurate as it was 10 years ago, that it listens , is eavesdropping, there, trying to throw some stories into the media space so that everyone there discusses bigus, knocking on the door of yuri nikolov, who conducted a large investigation into the ministry of defense and found out that they bought eggs for uah 17 a piece, that is. .. what do they

want from journalism? well, listen here a lot of things have already been said, and in this broadcast, many others have already been caught by the society in general on this topic, of course , it is not shameful and criminal to listen, but it has always been, and we also understand that, unfortunately, such a story has always happened and happens, and accordingly, the services should work to prevent it, and not, on the contrary, tolerate such actions, here absolutely. society with investigative journalists in the fact that these are unacceptable steps, and here is the fact that this idea from ah they are all drug addicts, so you should not listen to them, it did not take off in society, and on the contrary, it now hits the authorities with a ricochet and puts them in the position of justifying and proving that they have nothing to do with it, this just speaks well enough about us, society did not succumb to manipulation, and this is good, bad the news is that such practices, their return now to our lives with... with the power

of antiquity, and they are connected with the fact that the political struggle has returned in its pre-war forms, in low, primitive, black, ah, illegal forms at the expense of national security and defense, because it is clear that such political competition, which works according to the luz model, in which no stone is left unturned in the struggle, it is currently a threat to the existence of the state itself. when we are in the very crucible of war with a more resourceful enemy, and it is bad news for us that this is not the only moratorium, particularly on political competition, that has soared in the 23rd year, and we do not have any permanent or emerging before our eyes, which gains its legitimacy, models of political competition in the conditions of war, because it is anyway will be, and we cannot put political competition on hold in... conditions where we

have passed the protracted war phase. yes, a short war, a blitz crack, a quick repulse of it, for a year, for a year and a half, was enough for a moratorium in society. political life simply froze, and what could not be frozen simply went beyond the sufis behind closed offices to be discussed, in particular in the parliament without cameras, but from a certain moment it returns by itself, and if there is no such model, it has not been built, a new one , then this political struggle returns in old forms. now we are also observing the layering of several crises at the same time, in particular the political one, and accordingly, then sparks also begin to form along the government-opposition line, the journalistic environment is increasingly in the position of replacing itself with the opposition, that is , monitoring and controlling the government, the power in this case in the media sees in fact political competitors and the opposition, not a part of society and a third. and in such

a case, all the shameful post-soviet and soviet stupid methods are turned on, which simply remain even in surnames power and have been there for 30 years unchanged. no matter who is in power, it's just that even these personnel, who only know how to work, they have not cleaned the system anywhere, already talking about institutional, regulatory and other changes that should protect us from this today, so the positive news is that that the society reacted in a sufficiently mature manner, although here there is something to cross a little and something to work on, but from the side of the mechanism and model of life during the war, here we are two, as the ussr and as the state and as the elites, we do not have this model political competition not at the expense of national security and defense in conditions of war. thank you, mr. oleg, mr. oleksiy, we are talking about the fact that this may be the result of internal politics, or as

a result of internal, internal showdowns of those people who were under the crosshairs of our colleagues, journalists. vachiv, but we practically do not hear another version, which may well be that the russians could also use similar stories, because this is an attempt to throw in compromising material, or to create some kind of situation and strengthen the split between by journalists and the authorities, this is also one of the elements of subversive work... russia, and it is quite possible that the federal security service may also be behind all this, as an option, i am inclined to the fact that the internal situation prevails here, but can there be external factors that can

push or instigate this, because honestly, i have been working in journalism for 30 years, and with every power it is practically the same, you start something. you start saying something, i don't conduct investigations either, i don't run any anti-corruption programs or anything else, but oh well i face one and the same thing, they listen, they look , even during yanukovych's time, i still had a tag, when i moved from ukraine to another country, they always took me to some office and tried to find out if i was serhiy rudenko. and this was also when i already started talking about it publicly, i say, well, as long as you can, i cross the border and every time i am mistaken for some recidivist and they say, well , we made a mistake there, it must have been, so to speak, with me you already have a passport, you already have a database, you see who is who, then i have people,

who worked in the special services said, you just had a label on you and you had to, well , be responsible for what you do, for what you say, you were simply recorded and taken to offices every time. we had a conversation with you there, mr. oleksiy, well, this is such an interesting question, in fact, i am 25 years old, i am like you sergey, i have been in this field for a long time , you are a journalist, i am a political technologist and i have seen a lot, thank god that there are such generations like oleg, it's great, he explained everything in principle, but in reality i sometimes, sometimes it seems that... we don't have normal political experts young generation, i see oleg and understand that there is still, yes, he said everything correctly, if there is no political life, if there is no opposition, if there is no parliamentarism, if there are no parliamentary parties, if there is no political activity, then of course the last

such outpost democracy, an outpost , freedom of speech, these are journalists, it's normal, this is this column that... should bring this flag, so to speak, of our desire to see life better than it is, and we saw it on the example of that russia itself, so that they were the last ones they crushed journalists in particular, yes, of course , this speaks very badly about our country, in fact, in fact, because of course, any such case with bigus with... nikol, it should be a matter of journalistic investigation precisely because of the inadmissibility of such measures against journalists in general, in principle , i'm not talking about the moral side, it's all different, we 've seen it all, well, this is this is such a normal

thing for our country that i'm not even surprised, yes, the mechanisms that have been used for ten years, they are used, purely hibiscus absolutely. mechanism, we remember publications about journalists, oppositionists in russia, when you went to a prostitute there, the video immediately appears in your mind, there is something else, well... drugs are not the worst thing from a moral point of view for our society, that's all at a glance, everything is so clear here that even, i don’t even want to, are the russians interested in this, well, of course they are interested, interested in any internal conflict in the country, moreover, they are interested in the ukrainians seeing that all those who tells the truth in ukraine, yes they are trying to at least do something about it. absolute and comprehensive victory, all that we already are, that we are idiots, russians are morons,

degenerates, and in general we are already holding councils tomorrow in moscow, it is desirable that these are the people who voice it, that they are drug addicts, it is also desirable that they were homosexuals, it would be even better if they were still there beating their children, pedophiles, in general it would be an ideal option, just an ideal option, everything is a mechanism... you understand everything, absolutely, i told all my ex-wives that don't give god, if i become famous and popular, i have not become so, because many things can come out, which, so to speak, i would not want to come out, but it is desirable that they influence, because we must understand what it is, if we want to europe, private life is not a political person. it is simply the law, yes, a journalist is not a political person, absolutely, yes, although he

, if he does not violate the laws in principle, yes, by the way, i want to make a certain exit there, so that all the special services immediately understand and so on, yes i have an incurable disease, i am treated with cannabis chemically, yes, yes i... i use it, this is how they bring it to me from america, thank god, friends who do this, this is how i do it, thank god, it seems that yesterday our president allegedly signed this law, thank him very much strongly , and i hope that it will not be a punishment , that marijuana is a drug, so to speak , so all that i see, well, for me it is on the one hand, well, it is clear that it is funny, on the other hand it is terrible , this is terrible. because it is clear what will happen next, there will be a crisis, this,

this is a sign of a huge crisis, just if they cannot find other ways of communication than to discredit journalists, i would say this word, but i don't want to say it, because it's on the air, yes, but it starts with the letter p and ends with the letter c for our government, it's complete, i 25 years... engaged in business, when this word came, it came under yanukovych, under others , this is what i remember, everyone went through this fact, yes, when they understand that everything is over, they start using it, alas, just everyone we, our country pay for these moments with a lot of blood, and they are all these moments, of course they just don't pass like that, because what nikolov does, what bigus does, there are many of them. questions to be asked, many questions to be asked, but they do much more than the beloved does for the huge number

of our poor elite, there is no other word to find, also hrinkevich, yes, who was finally announced as a suspect today, these scoundrels that no one knows, they are not they don't smell anything at all, they wear embroidered dresses, dance all day from morning to night, yes, maybe they don't even drink, i believe in it. they don't even drink, maybe, right? these bastards do much more grief for our country than any journalists who are simply interested in what is happening in our country. during the war, of course, this is a great crime against those, first of all, who are fighting at the front, and also against the whole society. colleagues, let's take a short break, we'll be back on the air in a minute. nothing has worked yet, not yet, constipation, oh

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a crime. but how did the law enforcement officers break the law? we turned to the state bureau of investigation. for their explanations, watch the judicial control program with tetyana shustrova on the tv channel on thursday, january 18 at 5:45 p.m. espresso. the verdict with serhii rudenko is now in a new two-hour format, with even more analytics, even more important topics, and even more top guests. foreign experts, inclusion from abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and also feedback. you can express your opinion at the expense of the day. with the help of a telephone survey, turn on and turn on, the verdict with serhiy rudenko, every day from 20 to 22 at espresso. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook, and during this broadcast we are conducting

a survey, we are asking you about whether you trust journalistic investigations, yes no. if everything is quite simple on youtube , choose either yes or no, if you are sitting in front of the tv and watching our telecast, pick up the phone and vote, if you trust investigative journalism 080021381, no 0800 211 382, ​​call, all calls to these numbers are free, we have political experts oleg sahakyan, oleksiy holobutsky, viktor boberenko on air today, people who know how to pra... this ukrainian politics, people understand how the political agenda is formed, and people who clearly understand how journalism works, because each of them has an active work with journalists during election campaigns, i think, exactly any of them of the three can give an answer, how the editorial office

of the middle works, not only i can talk about it, gentlemen, but we started talking. about this political component and about the fact that the current government must somehow react to what is happening, and this cannot be the case during war, that unknown to journalists come to knock on doors there and scare the sick mother of journalist yury nikalov, it cannot be that someone sneaks up to you, starts filming. of your private life and to show this private life without the permission of a private person, if of course it is not a crime and does not violate the law, why, mr. viktor, in your opinion, there is no unequivocal reaction from the guarantors of freedom of speech in ukraine and people who

answer to human beings, at least one that should react to this and say? listen, this is a question of the future in general of our state, because next to our victory, and with our movement towards victory, it is important for us to preserve democratic values, because what is said and what is not said in ukraine is heard and seen by our western partners? yes , that’s right, the western partners see and understand everything very clearly, and i... said why the government does not react, it was very cool for this government , the first whisperer, er, in zelensky’s ears, er, was yermak is like this... bohdan, yes, when he said that we don't need journalists, we will talk to people ourselves there directly, there like through outposts. actually , this government is doing this, they don’t

need your tv channel, they need a single marathon, yes, where are the dungeons and where are there, well , everything is correct, yes, everything is recorded, yes, and other journalism, including investigative journalism . they don't need it, not only that , they are creating their own journalism there, they are telling you that i am telling you now from sumy, so that you know that 2 billion subventions came in sumy, and if the local government created its own office and she would be now to investigate how the money is spent, so that you understand the degree of the bottom, that is. and they, they don’t need anything, they themselves, they don’t need journalism at all, and this is traditional, because zelensky himself started

as a media clerk, he replaced journalism with himself, you could watch it, read rudenko, i don’t know boberenko there . good, there's something else, something else, something else, and also on udoba, a boiled tongue, which my dear aunt from barabashov in kharkiv understood from 7 kilometers away from odesa, but for them everything was from... of course, those who watched matchmaking, it was their cultural entertainment, or they watched the 95th quarter and formed their political culture through the 95th quarter, and this

was exactly the technology, very cool technology, it worked, we are witnesses of this, here you have a whole book wrote about it, well somewhere, yes, that's how it works, it works exactly like that, that is eh... with all due respect to oleg, oleg said that if the society did not believe in all this confusion, yes, but we are now talking about the better part of society, and 42% who still trust the single marathon, 42% for according to the latest social surveys, they probably believed 42% of them. what kind of bigus, nikolov , they don't tell about anyone else there, they will say, well damn, what did we doubt, that's how all the journalists there are, the oldest profession, but somehow yes, that

is, some part of society will believe this, because they want to to believe, therefore that's why they don't work with journalists , and yes, thank god, that you and i will be seen in g7, eh... yes, thank god, when ambassadors come, that's my advantage over them, you are kyiv experts, yes , and i, a regional person, my advantage is that if an ambassador comes to the region, he goes to meet with the regional administration, with the mayor, there is something else, and the dinner party sits behind me, and i tell him what they, they are talking about how beautiful, white, fluffy they are, and i am telling what is happening. it in fact, it’s the same there, well, i can’t name from the osce and so on and so on and so on, for whom i do the examinations there

, including for money, and here i tell you as an expert what is really happening with my expert opinion, where i each evaluate each conditionally there from zero to 50 points, i argue, i write down the arguments why i put here a zero and here a 10. here it is, thank you, sir, but they don’t need all this, mr. viktor, mr. olezh, if you were to consult the current president of ukraine, maybe you are consulting, i don't know what to do you, what would you advise him to do in this situation, because during the war , such stories that unfold around journalists can lead to a sharp drop in support for zelenskyi. if journalists will actively talk about it, talk about it, because to tell us that we are all drug addicts, well, this is quite such a simple

and stupid technology. and it is unlikely to work, i agree with you, well, if the only news will tell about it, probably somewhere in two months , people there will also stop understanding and accepting it, well, those who can believe it, accept it, they are not the target audience , let's say, the work of journalists in general, and they also believed, that means in a similar way, that for the most part , after all, people in the media perceive the information they hear through a prism. it confirms their perception or, in the best case, the beliefs that they already had before or not, and string their own beliefs on this through the prism of the perception of this or that information, if it is so bright and loud, and not unambiguous. and i am not a consultant for the current president, as in fact, he was not a consultant for the previous ones , but of course he interacted with certain authorities and on certain issues it is clear that he communicates certain ideas, in particular to the current government and

in particular to the office of the president where it is in the interests of the ukrainian state, because the expertise and expertise, it involves interaction with various political subjects, you know, as in the anecdote about political scientists, that never listen to political scientists during elections, because they are definitely working with someone during the elections and will campaign for someone, and if they are not working, no with who in these elections, especially don't listen to them, it means they are so bad that no one needs them and they don't get paid, so it is clear that all of us in one way or another in our political life cross paths with politicians, of different absolutely... different stripes, quality , expertise , intellectual scope by representatives of our political environment, if we talk about, very briefly, if possible , mr. oleksiy, 20 seconds, the recommendation was simple: to come out now, even literally earlier today, and say, i saw information about something similar, this absolutely shameful, and i appeal personally, as the guarantor of the constitution to

the law enforcement agencies, to do everything, and this is for you... find a uniform now, because as it is, in ukraine someone listens to journalists, especially, and here to joke, drug addiction topics, you know, i am from met with this, listen, we definitely need to find who did it, and to the journalists, to the investigators of others, this is also a matter for you in the honor of your professional flail, investigate, we will find it together, because this should not happen in modern ukraine, that's all, repositioned himself, joked, took control of the situation, the best. output for any politician. thanks to volodymyr oleksandrovich, just a free recommendation from oleg sahakyan, absolutely free. mr. oleksiy, i understand that you have already decided that this is the beginning of the collapse of zelenskyi's government, since it is happening right now. i am not saying the beginning of the collapse, this is the beginning of the collapse of our democracy, which is in principle. in

principle, it was not particularly so, the 24th year will be a significant year, we are now at a crossroads, a concrete crossroads, where we have the opportunity to follow the path, nevertheless, yes, very difficult, very difficult, of zelenskyi will have to make very difficult decisions, it concerns his environment, it concerns his work principle, it is necessary to deny completely what he said at the last press conference, yes, my team is great, we managed everything... it is necessary that there was a doubt whether we are coping with everything, whether we are doing something right, and this idea, which started in principle from clear which laps, laps or whatever, we have to complete 20 seconds, this is the idea of ​​the national government, this is the idea, because in principle now in we really have a remarkable

situation. what we see now journalists, this is the beginning of the end, the beginning of the end of our very weak democracy. thank you, oleksiy holobutsky, oleg sahakyan and viktor boborenko were guests of our program today. gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, during the program we conducted a survey , we asked you about whether you trust investigative journalism, so the results of the survey are 94% yes, six no, these are the results of the survey of those who watched the television broadcast. in addition, we have it on youtube. a ratio of 88% versus 12%. this, friends, is where i end it, i wish you all the best health, take care of yourself and your relatives, it was a verdict program, it was conducted by serhiy rudenko, i say goodbye to you until 20:00 the next day.