the first guest is tetyana nikolayenko, member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense of ukraine, journalist, centronet. mrs. tatiana, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. well, in the blitz format, i will also ask you about whether the president is responsible for the corruption of the ministry of defense, since you definitely know much more about corruption, maybe even the president? well, honestly, that would be a very simple answer, actually. even the defense minister is often not responsible for the corruption in that ministry because she is at such low levels, where it is very difficult to catch it, but it is precisely thanks to such corruption that we later have stories about the enrichment of tatyana glynyana, because if we are talking, for example, about food for the military, then precisely, if these schemes take place, then they take place at the level

of military units, and it is there that products are written off or low-quality products are supplied and their eyes are turned a blind eye to it, and as a result , instead of conditionally supplying some meat, the company supplies higher quality sausage grade delivers third-grade sausage, and he gets a huge margin, it is obvious that the president here definitely does not know about such cases of corruption, and... even the minister does not know about them, but nevertheless, they exist, they exist, there are other things that concern already, ah, for example, the purchase of weapons, and i often wonder why, ah, the crimes of certain companies, the non-delivery of weapons, they are not properly investigated in ukraine, and especially if we we are talking, for example, about the lviv arsenal agreement. and when the ministry of defense

has not received delivery under this contract for more than a year, even filed a lawsuit, but in fact, this case is at the level of the national police, although it seems to me that there should be more important articles, and at the same time , the people involved in the case live peacefully in the czech republic , no one is chasing them, no one is looking for them, and... at the same time, they are doing business, they are involved in more than one corrupt organization, and our law enforcement officers for some reason do not see these people, although they are directly related to a person like andriy gmyrin, who is two more years ago, he was very involved in the office of the president. but, but ms. tetyana, ignorance, or the fact that the president does not know about it, or the minister of defense does not know about it, does not absolve from responsibility.

that is, if the minister does not know that they are stealing from him there , or that they are trying to pay inflated prices, well, how about our money, they unearthed that the ministry of defense has entered into agreements with the zava at inflated prices to feed the personnel of military educational institutions who study at the national aviation university and in kyiv shevchenko national university , if, if they do not know this, or they... do not have this information, it does not mean that they are not responsible for this, because if they do not know, then they, well, at least the minister of defense, he is still responsible for what happens in his department, isn't that right? and look, it is obvious that they are politically responsible for this, and the same thing happened in the case of oleksiy ryeznikov, that whether he knew about the 17-year-old, whether he did not know, whether he did not know about the specifics of the contract a... for the purchase jacket in the company,

which is in some way connected with the relatives of the people's deputy, but one way or another he has borne his political responsibility, and accordingly the president also has consequences for himself, perhaps even unconscious of him, but they affect one way or another on his rating, and in the end, probably this is such an objective reality, even if in principle there are no grounds for legal prosecution for you, for certain things all the same... we are responsible in one way or another, some by reputation, some by position, well, some in another way, you now she is a member of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense, your public council sees more of what is happening in the ministry of defense of ukraine, and journalists, respectively, investigators, than anti-corruption bodies or not, that is, the ratio of how many public scandals there are around procurement. and

abuse of money in the ministry of defense of ukraine, and the reaction of anti-corruption bodies to this, why journalists quite often in... are ahead of anti-corruption bodies, although our anti-corruption bodies are the best in europe, and we know about this from 2016, well, look, there was no way we could get ahead of the journalists in the scandal with 17 eggs, we were actually already as a public anti-corruption council created after this scandal happened, it is obvious that we are not an investigative body, and we see our function in fixing those things are in the ministry of defense, they do not contain corruption risks, so, for example, it is clear to me that if we do not change the supplies of the ministry of defense there and do not break them down into separate food groups, then we will never overcome that the monopoly of certain groups, which is now, and

they will supply our army with food until the end of time, and it is obvious that clay will eventually buy not only hotels in croatia, but also some palaces in great britain. or i don't know any skyscrapers in the united states, but because it is in principle impossible to create competition for these companies in such conditions, therefore our task is precisely to see these corruption risks and to create some institutional mechanisms that would change the rules of the game, in including there to review some technical conditions and specifications for certain products, so that there is no so that we have had a monopoly of one supplier for 17 years and... and even if we start breaking it now, we will not be able to do it, and because it is impossible to create a competitor for them so easily from the start, and the fact that the law enforcement officers they don't cope, but this is a question for the law enforcement officers, we are in constant contact with the national

anti-corruption bureau, and other law enforcement agencies are not eager to communicate with us, but we are trying to maintain constant contact and take an interest. how this or that investigation takes place, c including there and in what concerns the story of 17 and other stories, because the nbu began to investigate the procurement of the ministry of defense earlier, but as always with our investigations, they last much longer than the public interest in this or that remains, yesterday, ms. tatyana, the ministry of defense of ukraine tore up the last one. with the lviv businessman igor hrenkevych, one of the largest suppliers of the department, he is suspected of having caused losses to the state budget of almost 1 billion hryvnias, this is quite such a big deal and

a high-profile case, which is now being talked about in society, well, at least in western ukraine , for sure, within ukraine, maybe not so much, but here in lviv... there is a lot of talk about it, how do you think it could be one a person who has how many 33 companies he had, or 23 companies that concluded 23 contracts, 33 contracts, yes, like you, how could he abuse it and wash it out of the budget , or cause losses of uah 1 billion, and no one has seen this or has already seen it it's too late when these eyes... this 1 billion was not taken, but look, the story is how his companies got these contracts in general, this is the same story as with the summer-winter jackets, which caused a scandal in the summer, and for which

, in fact, minister reznikov paid his position, that is, in the case of the same contracts of the grenkevychs , this is the same story, because these losses amount to a billion hryvnias, they were caused , including for... for the fulfillment of 23 contracts, according to which the companies were supposed to supply jackets, pants, t-shirts, shirts, underpants, ah, and they had to make a company whose profile is a-a the method of activity was construction, and by what miracle these companies were selected by the ministry of defense in order to supply textiles, and it is not known, and accordingly, even concluding contracts with them should become a marker of corruption risks, as was written in the report accounting chamber that, in principle, the ministry of defense should not have entered into contracts with these companies, because it itself created risks that these goods would not be delivered, since the company did not have

any capacity to sew these products, so of course grundevysh had some contacts in the ministry of defense, since they did not come there yesterday. they are suppliers of the ministry of defense , they worked on construction contracts, it must be said that they did not perform them very well either, there is a scandal surrounding their construction on a large doe, there are uncompleted repair works on the territory of one of the military units in the zhytomyr region, that is, in principle , if there was no corruption of the ministry of defense, in general these contracts, which were signed at the beginning of the 23rd year, they could not be there at all, because, well, in fact, we are dealing with an unscrupulous contractor, and now here is rodilo for his own agency, he foresees such a risk factor in the contracts that if the company... performs work, then it can be for three years is deprived of the right to supply for the ministry

of defense, i think it is right. even if we talk about the fact that it is possible to create a second or third company, i think that it is possible to generalize, to make other additional criteria that will simply make it impossible to sign contracts with similar companies. accordingly, we will not have a history at the exit with the fact that we do not have jackets or. the jackets, i'm sorry, fall apart in our hands, well, that's what happened when we brought these reznikov jackets to the examination, and we decided to see what it was like, so there is insulation inside, we gathered a knife to cut the lining, it fell into us by itself just in our hands , yes, yes, just on such a jacket, well, that is, i understand that if there is hrynkevich. that there is a person with whom he signs a contract in the ministry of defense, well, that is, without it

any. the sbi says that this is a criminal group that was organized by igor hrenkevich, but again, whoever he is, no matter how powerful hrenkevich is as a businessman and in his negotiations, he still signs an agreement with someone if he , who signs the agreement does not take into account the risks that... that this company, which is engaged in construction, and purchases clothing for the armed forces of ukraine, bears, means that the one who signs on behalf of the ministry of defense of ukraine simply closes his eyes or accepts these risks upon himself, right? yes, of course, i wanted to yes, yes, well, because we see that two culprits have been appointed for defense at the moment, this is the former head of the specialized department of resource provision, bohdan khmelnytskyi and his immediate supervisor, the deputy minister. defense of shapyvala, now these people are to blame for all the contracts there, from

unsupplied springs to unsupplied underpants, they are the two responsible, although it is obvious that behind all these schemes, organized groups, there are also other people, and i would like to investigate the role certain people's deputies, and others representatives of the ministry or other power structures in the way... these contracts were written, because in order for your viewers to appreciate the scale, for example, other tenders of the hrynkevich family, well, for some lyceum there in zhytomyr oblast, that is uah 700 for a toilet paper holder, in the context of the ministry of defense , we are already talking about contracts for 1.5 billion, 1.3 billion and 600 million hryvnias, that is, they are not comparable at all. sumi and hurled this piece, on which, well, judging by everything, they did not

launch anyone else. ms. tetiana, we have been witnesses for the past seven days how they arranged provocations against our colleagues, yuriy nikalov and the team of denys bigus, yesterday about the inadmissibility of pressure on journalists, president zelenskyi said, let's listen to what zelenskyi said. separately, that... the situation with our journalists, in particular the fact of surveillance of journalists, the security service of ukraine has started an investigation and will find out all the circumstances, any pressure on journalists is unacceptable. tatyana, you conducted an investigation and also wrote a lot about the abuse of power by the previous authorities and the current authorities, who and why do you think they are now pressure on journalists? unfortunately, journalists are really investigators, they are now creating

great inconvenience for many officials who are involved and have been engaged in corruption for many years, and it is possible that if earlier such scandals took place with less resonance, then even from the case of grynkevich, we can see how irritated society is now reacting to similar stories, and accordingly these people really do not want to stay. their powerful offices, then they have no choice but to discredit journalists, they say, well, who are the judges in our country, unfortunately, i it is very reminiscent of the yanukovych era, and what happened in... in 2013, before the orange revolution, how journalists were also monitored then, they were credited in all kinds of ways, how their mail was hacked, some videos from their private lives were posted there, and unfortunately, certain things from those times are coming back, and maybe this is a consequence of the fact that some people who

were in power then, they still remain in power, and so... create such very bad things, and it is obvious that we need, i hope, the security service, it is not formal will treat this story, and will investigate the situation that happened around my colleagues from biglus info, so that it does not happen at this party, but it is obvious that we are dealing with the fact of illegal examination and wiretapping of journalists, but is a statement enough now zelenskyi that the pressure... on journalists is unacceptable, although we know the public statements of the former head of the president zelenskyi's office that we don't really need journalists, we see how some telegram blunders become means of mass information that the current government is betting on, is it sincere, does zelenskyy want

to deal with it, or does he simply have no other way out, because there are western partners and democracy and development behind... mass media , freedom of speech are cornerstones for any - what partners? and the truth is that the president , he probably has no option not to react to this story, and our western partners, they are very resistant to all these cases of pressure on the press, for them this is one of the main markers of how under the threat is to democratic processes in the state in general. and therefore, of course, it will be much more important for the journalists themselves what and how high-quality the investigation of the same security service will be, and what the results of the investigation will be, and because talking and making a statement is one thing, but really showing who is guilty and whether he punished or not is a completely different story. thank you, mrs. tetyana, for

including me, it was tetyana nikolayenko, a journalist, a member of the public anti-corruption council. ministry of defense of ukraine. friends, we are live tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching live there. please like this video, don't be stingy. it is very important that this video is seen by as many people as possible, and take part in our survey. today we ask you whether the president is responsible for the corruption of the ministry of defense. yes, no, please vote on youtube, or yes or no, if you are sitting... watching tv and you have a smartphone in your hands, please vote by phone numbers if you think that the president responsible for corruption in the ministry of defense, 0800 211 381 or 0800 211382, we will be grateful to you for your calls, all calls to these numbers are free of charge, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, next with

us is igor lapin, special agent, major of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. major, congratulations, thank you for joining us. i wish you health, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. major, since we are asking about corruption and about the responsibility, not in this case legal, but political responsibility of the president of ukraine, whether he is responsible for corruption in the ministry of defense of ukraine? well, let's be honest, from the moment when mr. resnikov began to perform the functions of pre-emptive concealment of the crime, namely... justifying there eggs about kilograms and jackets are not so old , and so on, from that moment on, i think that mr. reznikov became one of, if not the leaders, then serious classmates of the criminal organization, which was built for the purpose of earning money, embezzling funds during purchases at the ministry of defense. mr. reznikov is a creature of the president

zelensky. it is president zelenskyy who submits a candidacy to be appointed by the parliament. and in this context , no one submitted alternative candidates, so from this moment, as soon as reznikov was caught up in this scandal, in fact, the political responsibility falls entirely on president zelensky, especially, let's remember when the first procurement scandals began, and how long after moreover, reznikov continued to perform his duties and was not suspended by any side, and so on, this is already about political responsibility. i think he is responsible. thank you, mr. major. i would like to remind our tv viewers that you can vote in our survey, it is important for us to know your opinion, during all two hours of our broadcast today, we will... vote and look at the results of this vote. mr. mayor, the russian port infrastructure in st. petersburg was attacked by attack drones on the night of january 18. this

was reported by the ministry of defense of the russian federation. the attack on the oil depot in the leningrad region is a special operation of the main administration intelligence of the ministry of defense. this is reported by the ukrainian media with reference to data and intelligence sources. yesterday, due to the attack of the armed forces of ukraine on the marine training center near sevastopol killed 19 soldiers, this is reported by russian telegram channels, what can you say, mr. major, about the need to transfer the war to the territory of russia, or the ukrainian territory, which is temporarily occupied by russia, of the russian army, that, what is needed for this, because we see isolated ones... with some periodicity, which is not enough for a systemic one work on military facilities on enemy territory? well, let's be frank, if

we do not transfer the war to the territory of the enemy, then the territory of ukraine itself will be destroyed, and this is already clear, here is israel, an example for all of us in this context: from where it flew, the war moved there, a similar story should also be of course in... the russian federation, i think that we lack, well, of course, we don't have enough to finally feel the shame that so many ukrainians are suffering from. we all see that north korea, being under sanctions for 15 years, and iran, which will be under sanctions for 10-10 years, is making missiles, and we are such a space state and have come to the beginning of a full-scale invasion from and on. you can in principle not say anything, that's why i 'm ashamed, of course, and i'm ashamed for everything, although i understand that every problem in

the state of ukraine has a clear surname, patronymic, but regarding the transfer, do we have the forces and means by which we can attack legitimate targets on the enemy's territory, namely his energy infrastructure and related military-industrial complex, and especially oil and gas, that's what. that allows the russians to survive economically even during the sanctions that are currently being imposed against them, of course, this must be done wherever we can get it, well, let's be frank, for me it would of course be a matter of principle for the novorossiysk bases and oil refining enterprises that are in novorossiysk, because 50%, if i'm not mistaken, the oil goes there, there are other routes, including other seaports, but it's winter there, there's frost, there's ice, there's less driving there. but novorossiysk tankers are loaded somewhere are transshipped onto some obscure greek tankers with those transporters turned off so that no one would track them. so, if they

do this, then it is a legitimate goal of ukraine to sink the sails of such tankers, but the most important thing is the port infrastructure, which can seriously hinder the russians. i would like to remind the audience that over the past two years, russians have earned more than 550 mln from the hydrocarbon trade. divs of the euro, if we remember the help we received from our western partners, the russians earned more than all the countries of europe combined they gave us two years, well, that's how i see it, that's why we need to do it, because economically we will not survive russia otherwise, russia can fight for a long time, they will be patient, they will be this people will be deep-seated, love putin and tolerate, sit in the shit, because because they have all the same money for the defense industry, for theirs, for the ministry of attack and for missiles and for and for... heads and for the purchase of korean and iranian shit, and we will forever ask for air defense systems, patriots, because we are nothing more than ballistics do not beat, it would be significant, but i really like it

i liked the story recently voiced by general ben hodges, what he said, well , you shouldn’t, i didn’t like the first part of his thesis that ukrainians should not expect at the 75th nato anniversary summit that they will be invited to nato, well, i’m a realist, i understand too, that they will not give because nato is not only a military, but also a political union. in context, if the armed forces are ready to join nato, then the political part of ukraine is not ready, because we still need to complete 100-500 different homework tasks, legislation, reform, anti-corruption, judicial, well, and on, on, on. tim no less, the second part of ben hodges' sentence was that it would be significant if the countries of western europe, in particular the members of nato, could secure... in order to prevent the threat of russian missiles hitting their territories, which are bombing ukraine, that is, what i am leading to, that is, there are already

signals that... that shakeds, rockets fly into the territory of romania, fly through that, through the territory of poland, and so on. that is , benhoj says that the air defense forces of nato countries could be taken in order to ensure an airstrike on their own territory under control and under the umbrella, some part of ukrainian land, under the umbrella of the nato anti-aircraft system. that would be great, why? we would unload our air defense system, we could drop it on other areas, that's the first thing. the second point , well, the patriot system can work, well, if i ’m not mistaken, depending on the modification, there is 100 km plus, so you can imagine such a front-line, border zone for several hundred kilometers along the entire border with nato countries, it would be great , we could think about building factories for production of our already, as they say, military enterprises and so on, it would be very cool, and to transfer the war to the territory of the enemy

, for this we need the western... partners to untie our hands, because you know, we give you rocket , but you don’t shoot where you are fired from, well, it works, then you give us another 100 patriot rockets, or maybe with one taurus we will overwhelm the launcher from which the russian crap flies out, you see, and that’s the dilemma not to escalate the situation, it is now very much flourishing in europe, and i can’t understand, but where can this situation be escalated, there is nowhere to go, there is only a nucleus... therefore, in this context, i believe that the western partners should rethink the lines that they have drawn for themselves and through which they supposedly they cannot cross, well, the statements are the same there , britain, france, i think, should still catch up with the story in germany regarding the taurus missiles, there was recently a vote on the supply of taurus missiles, a vote in germany, but i want to say there is no betrayal at all, why, because it was a vote

according to... the bill that the opposition presented, they have another bill that has to be voted on, if i'm not mistaken, in the month of february, well, i could be wrong, by february 22nd they have to vote in the bundestag, yes, yes, yes, yes , yes, it would be very good if they caught up with olaf scholz, that after all, it is necessary to move this issue from its place, because otherwise the war will be carried out only on the territory of ukraine, well, we will not carry it out, because our infrastructure will be destroyed, that we will forever be asking for money. for the e-e budget of ukraine and we will be forever ask our western partners for air defense systems, patriot, they will not give us endlessly, so we need to somehow cover and secure us, free the hands of the ukrainians, give them the opportunity to destroy the russian military-industrial complex everywhere. mr. mayor, can we accept the statement of president emmanuel macron about these 40 long- range scalp missiles flying at a distance of

two. 550 in the export version, 560 for the army of britain and france, as a possible step before the french give us these 40 scalps, maybe we need 400, i don’t know, maybe 4 of them thousands are needed in order to smoke out the russians there from the same occupied crimea, or to hit the airfields that are near the ukrainian territory, the voronezh region. drones are flying there, can it be considered that the west is considering such a possibility, they just don’t announce it, they just said: we will give you long-range scalp missiles, and you are already looking at how you will use them, well, let’s be honest, 40 rockets will not make any difference, if you remember the territory occupied by our ukraine, yes, that is together with crimea, and if you remember, we will also think

about the potential of russian... territory in general, well, what are 40 missiles, ukraine shoots down 150 russian missiles in one attack, that is , it is clear that this does not make the weather, well, but it is a start, the main thing , so that our hands are not twisted later, why are you shooting at the launchers of the voronezh region, the most important thing is that our hands are not twisted for this, on the other hand, let's be frank, we ourselves still have to finish that missile program , which was called peregrine falcon there, boris fen, there is thunder in our country. and so on, we must continue to do this, unfortunately, a lot of time has been lost, but we have the technology, the opportunities, so we can help ourselves to liberate our territory with these scalp laces, already with our own production of certain things, well, to flay the russians , er, mister major, one more question to...