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and he was the deputy head of the security service of ukraine during the very difficult years of the beginning of the russian-ukrainian war in 14-15 years, viktor yagun is in touch with us, mr. viktor, congratulations, glory to ukraine. sir viktor, we can see that the morning started today with a big burst of information , the article final times, ukrainian media targeted by pro zelensky infor army, online and physical attacks on journalists cast a shadow on zelensky, here is the summary of this resonant article, this is the second publication after reuters, and after a series of organized attacks, they combined. organized by some aunties and ending with telegram channel information sinks, some of them are affiliated with the ministry of defense of the russian federation, some on odious characters, and

in this case, one of those cases is a long-term wiretapping and collection of video materials around the employees of the editorial staff of youtube channel b. and it was the security service of ukraine that took it upon itself to find out who was eavesdropping and monitoring, all these microphones and cameras were seized there , who worked for months in very different places, and i want to ask you, in fact, who else in our country, apart from, for example, the security service of ukraine itself, is able to do such provocations for so long and so expensively, because it is a big budget and a lot of work collect ot... such a one number of audio-videos, well , look, in fact, the security service of ukraine has the exclusive ability, firstly, to investigate such cases, if they are discovered, and secondly, only

the security service of ukraine has the right to provide such technical, technical assistance, we have more opportunities in the ministry of internal affairs, but in... these powers are a little limited there and they concern certain categories, there are certain categories, the question is what, in fact, until about the 14th year there was a vadhanalia in this situation, we have an extremely large number of such structures, which used complexes. for intercepting mobile communications for carrying out some espionage e moments under the guise of detective agencies e these are various law enforcement e security security e

structures, but they really require extremely huge investments, i don't even know how much it costs now , maybe not. .. as expensive as it used to be, but, for example, in the interception of mobile communications, it costs, could cost from a million to up to 150 thousand dollars, looking at what capabilities it has, so really have several brigades, to insert equipment and control it all, these are extremely huge funds, and from experience, mr. viktor, tell me the way to give an answer to society, to the authorities and... and to the journalists themselves on this, on this story with the operators and drivers of biguus-info, and on the outside, what is the best and fastest way to find out the truth for e about, i.e. introduce it in a technical direction, cameras,

they have certain technical characteristics, there are passports, there is a technical trail, where from where are they they could have been purchased, or it is better to move on the path of information, because... an absolutely clear chain, like this video , got to the public, because there is, as they say, always a telegram channel, there is ivanov, petrov, sidorov, and that's it, and you can do it like that to go through investigative actions with the direct translators of the material, which is a more effective way to establish the truth, well , look, if it was carried out by representatives of the authorities, that is, well, perhaps at the direction of the authorities, some law enforcement structures could carry it out, then it definitely should not have come through consent and sanctioning through the courts, because there is no other, other way, the other way is criminal

actions that should really be investigated and punished, if we are going to look at all this technology, well, for sure we will face a situation that the technology... or without numbers, or it’s all from aliexpress, these are chains of very interesting moments, yes, let ’s recall the situation with, well, no... i would call it a provocation, because there was no wiretapping, but an attempted wiretapping, yes let's call it that, it's been the same for us for a long time there were no such moments related to the desire to eavesdrop on something there, during the war, here the commander-in-chief was generally such trash, you know, that's why you have to look at what kind of equipment was there, look at this and that equipment, really its origin. and the investigation should follow a parallel path, how to determine

the technical possibilities, where it all merged, whether it was a stationary fixed connection, or whether it was some radio channel where this information was received through the relevant ee drives, it is necessary to see who had access to those premises, and the other - this indeed, who... who is the acquirer of this information, who published it first and where did they get it from, and if they are going to say that it is anonymous ee such uh wishes, yes, what please publish this information, it has has such public publicity, well, i don't know, to spend a lot of money in order to simply make it public for what, you have to understand that. it means the discrediting of journalists, to undermine some of these

pillars under them, let's see, mr. viktor, let's move on to another case, no less serious, the sbi has filed a warrant, they are looking for roman hrenkevich, and they already say that they couldn't arrest him right away, because they say it's not that easy, you have to gather a lot of information, evidence and so on, it's just so baseless, they say they couldn't arrest him a few days ago, but now it's kind of late, although... . claims that he did not cross the border, in fact, is this procedure so complicated, because we understand that it was already in december, they probably knew, had all the information and could, at least to some extent, take measures to keep in out of sight this person, yes, because apart from hrenkevich there are fifty other such people, the uncles and aunts ran away, even though the evidence had already been collected and they too... could somehow leave, were allowed to leave, closed their eyes, are they really like blind kittens?

listen, well, this is a matter of endings, we were once very happy that we have the most democratic code, that we can oppose the authorities there, that we have the opportunity to expel people, that we do not have there, that everything is under control, that we have to prove very, very much . there are some things, and all this democracy, which once upon a time was introduced by a very well-known partner, come out and talk to us, you understand, because spending those procedures, in particular, obtaining sanctions, carrying out some legal matters there through the court, the judicial investigator. and so on and so forth and it all really drags on to the point of impossibility, and people take advantage of this,

unfortunately, both criminals and corrupt officials, and we need to make decisions, you know, we have a lot of moments that, perhaps , they look beautiful somewhere in peacetime, but when during military operations, i don't know, we have to, we have to decide whether we are at war or whether we are fighting corruption. and mr. viktor, haven't they made certain changes, that is, we , we understand when a full-scale invasion begins, chaos, mess, and then a couple of hours before that oksana marchenka, who has been informed , calmly leaves with security and money, when there is complete anarchy and we have to hold the front and the capital, we understand , that any surkis, one second on any machine can carry at least cash, at least watches, at least ingots, and... but that was then, well, now it has undergone certain changes, so that it does not happen again not stand

on the rake? nothing has changed, we haven't there were no initiatives in the verkhovna rada to change this or that behavior, we cannot destroy the famous amendments of luzynskyi, which allow corrupt officials to prolong the proceedings. actions and then after a certain period say: well, you know, we didn't have time, so we let it go, it's the same thing, you see, that's why it is necessary, it is necessary to turn to our... to the verkhovna rada and simply demand that they organize or change, or simply canceled certain provisions during military operations, so i wanted to ask about the collaborators, what about you? i wanted to ask about something else, come on, collaborators, and then let's talk about what is happening in russia not without our hands. yes, mr. viktor, here is a very interesting moment, you are constantly monitoring how the

security service of ukraine reports on the detention of certain collaborators who have been there for a long time. canned goods and worked for the russians, or were recruited with the help of telegram channels or other means, during these hostilities we see in various areas, especially, the closer to the front, the more of them, and we understand that these are simply, to a certain extent , executors , and here they are, they are of their time rallied around certain centers, like, for example, the moscow order patriarchate, we asked people in zaporizhzhia, we know there were whole paramilitary, pseudo-cossack organizations there. the church and so on, and they rallied there, we see how the security service is currently working in the south, we also talk to the locals, they tell us that certain iconic figures or centers are still intact, what is the difficulty, why are they taking us for granted the commission of a crime by these collaborators when they have already transferred something or received the heads from the fsb back, why doesn't

it work more globally in very important places in the south. and the east of ukraine? well, there are actually not many security services, because everyone thinks that the security service is all-powerful, it is not so all-powerful, it also has a lot of limitations and a lot of limitations, including in the legislative plan, if we do not have the opportunity to prove and get the same sanctions in court and in order to detain a person, we are forced to... immediately, i don't want just a real job, well, not everything, not everything at once, unfortunately, not everything which is being waged in some kind of war with witches,

because we can just at some point... pass, and there are certain moments when we have to make decisions about certain people, because the war itself has put certain, certain people in place, and they such a cold soul passed through them, and they may once have taken part in some active actions against propagandists, but at this point they still switched to the side of good. therefore, it is necessary to understand, this is approximately the same system as we have now just yesterday, for example, it was reported that there would be suspicion and azarov would be tried, this is not because no one has forgotten about him, they just got their hands on it, and in the same way they get their hands on those collaborators who are still in the 14th year, traitors, who have gone over to the side of the enemy, from time to time

we will simply receive information that the case is over, completed, fully handed over to the court and they will make a decision. we just have to believe that no one, no one will be forgotten, that's it, mr. viktor, we're just saying, we share your cautious optimism, we're ready to just lead the way broadcast, when it will not be a witch hunt, for example, when they will detain real officers who run around in cassocks, for example, in the pochaiv lavra, we are ready for a live broadcast so that it does not look like a witch hunt, but simply the elimination of combat unit of the aggressor country. so that everyone can see everything with their own eyes and draw their own conclusions, i want to ask about another thing , of course, we are all very happy when we see a lot of people who go to rallies, pickets, various actions in russia, but we are much more happy because where we have the tangent and now gur confirms that, that is , they do not directly confirm this, but the sources of our

colleagues rbc, vhur confirm that the ukrainians are behind the attacks on the oil depot. near bryansk, the plant near tambov, that this is all thanks to us, we also know that, well, saratov in particular, engels is located there, from which something regularly flies, and then we have anxiety throughout the country, and other nearby settlements, work there - it is a matter of ukrainian hands, how far we can reach now, it is about whether we can go deep of russia to reach all those objects that work in their military industry. we are trying, trying to forgive, a very successful operation conducted by our security service, 600 km away. from ukraine to the baikal sea highway , when it was blown up, i pulled it in the tunnel and then on detours on the bridge, it

is clear that they will fix it all there and repair it, but the very fact that we are able to reach such a distance, speaking of that they didn't believe that we have an agent network, and we have people who are ready to cooperate with us and help in... to ukraine in its struggle on the territory of russia, this is a proven fact, they really receive, have contacts, receive tasks, coordinate their actions, and from time to time we see these sabotages that are broadcast even on their television, this, by the way, is one of those moments that indicate... the ability to ensure a control regime on the territory of a warring country, in contrast, by the way, to ukraine, where,

if there are any extraordinary events, they are usually related only to shelling, we or we intercept, or we try in advance to intercept this or that agent work of the enemy on our territory, and extraordinary events are not on... the waters, not on the railways, there are no logistical routes, this is the difference between ukraine and russia and shows the high-quality work of our special services in the tuu. but when they burn, when the railway stops along such a ring around moscow, it’s several tens of hundreds of kilometers away, but it’s all the same in fact, if you look at the map around moscow, oh yes... the ring goes from north to south, the railway doesn’t drives, it their logistical ways, which they use, in particular , to transport all kinds of things and people to the front,

are these the only ways they can work and is this route also a place where you can show, first, our capabilities, and second, maybe some such an effect of intimidation that here we can, well, the effect of intimidation. by the way, not only the railway is working, but also the number of drones that fly in, we see that we are not so much doing damage, although there is damage, but we have their air defense and their and their population in tension, there is no i know, we perform some acts on their airports, and the railway is the easiest to work on the so-called... these cabinets, which are located all along the entire length of this railway, it is very

easy to set fire to it, to destroy it just as easily, and they simply cannot handle such a huge railway guard literally there every 10-15 km. the belarusians have seen something there, they are trying , they tried just as hard to prevent it, you see, they have detained some partisans, maybe in russia it is just this laziness of work, and also the extreme cold contribute to the fact that the partisans, it is not there have always been ukrainians, as a rule, these are the people who support us, who in this way carry out the actions of the putin regime, i believe that this is also very positive, there are still not such a large percentage, but there are people who ... can demonstrate that they are against what is happening at the front. and we will support them. thank you, mr. viktor, for participating in our broadcast, viktor yagun,

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