you know, recently putin, well, he probably threw off the last fig leaf when he said that russia is not going to give up its conquests, and so we have a dekun in front of us, completely naked, who has a nuclear club, who is absolutely, let's say yes, he flaunts it senselessly and actually blackmails the world with such things, i mean, all the time. since the creation of the russian federation, i mean, after 1991, the issue of the strategic security of revnagaga was in the first place, and precisely because of that, and at that time, the administration of biel clinton also ignored the interests of ukraine, well, at that time we were de facto allies of the russian federation, did not want to join the eu and nato, but they also ignored the interests of their allies in central and eastern europe then, and always. the issue

of, let's say, control over strategic weapons, it allowed the russian federation in a package to receive some concessions on the key issues in the region that interested them, but the russians themselves began to destroy the system that was created, well, in fact, after the caribbean crisis of 1962 , i mean this contract about short- and medium-range missiles, the russian federation violated it and actually forced it. forced mr. trump to terminate this agreement, on conventional armed forces in europe , the russian federation violated, and in fact came from others, well, in fact, it remained a treaty on strategic offensive weapons, and they are showing that they do not want, that is, to continue this treaty until the west will make concessions and not give russia what it wants, understood what it wants, it wants a sphere of influence, and of course these spheres of influence should include... only ukraine,

the americans do not agree to this, although of course they would like some stability in the relations between the nuclear powers, because the russian federation and the united states own 80% of the world's nuclear potential, but on the other hand, you know, china's nuclear potential is now growing, and there is already there are more than 300 warheads, they are building up their missile potential, and within five years they are going to prove it. there are almost a thousand of them, so for the united states to somehow tie its hands with the russian federation is not, let's say this, without taking into account, without including in this process control china, it makes no sense, because then they will lose in another, let's say, theater in the indo-pacific region, so it is completely understandable why mr. lavrov says this, bad things in ukraine, they can't achieve anything, they are trying to...

shake unity that and those who support us, thank god that it does not succeed in europe, only slovakia and hungary are on the side of the russian federation, in fact, the rest of the countries of europe understand that it is necessary to support ukraine and not succumb to such blackmail. mr. alexander, you already mentioned trump, trump distinguished himself this week by once again stating that this is not the first time he has said this. that he knows putin and zelensky very well, and it is not a problem for him to end the war between ukraine and russia at all, that he has all the tools, if he wins the presidential election of the united states of america, he will definitely do it, why this is hussarism, well, i can't say trump in another way and his efforts to convince everyone that he will reconcile everyone, biden cannot reconcile. he will take and reconcile. we

understand that the price of peace that can go vladimir putin is the recognition by ukraine , as they say, of the so-called new territorial reality, well, simply put, when ukraine will give up the territories occupied by russia, which have already been declared russian, and this any proposal in this form from trump, in the event of his victory in the elections , it will not be perceived in kyiv what to expect from trump, or is this just such pre-election rhetoric, during which he wants to convince , first of all, not the world, but the americans, that he is completely different, and he can do everything, and it is in his powers, well, you know, he's basically a demagogue, and of course this rhetoric that he's using now, it's aimed at his fans, at his cult members, you can't say otherwise, and they... they use that

phrase a lot : when he was president, russia did not attack ukraine and there were no conflicts of any kind, well, this is a myth, since we have had a conflict with the russian federation since 2014. there was no large-scale invasion, but there was no end to the war either, this is the first thing, second, trump tried to solve the north korean problem and met with kinchen-un, and what did it give, so there were no tests of missile systems during the term of trump, so kimchinin, but he did not surrender nuclear warheads, and he did not stop the development of missile systems, and in fact now he ... has the ability to deliver strikes on the continental united states, that is , what trump is saying, it doesn't quite correlate , that is, with reality, and of course, what can we say about the alternate history, that if i, when i was president, something didn't happen, thanking me , of course, that this is

just, well, speculation, as such, from trump you can expect anything, because he is an unpredictable person, and he flaunts it, he says that it was helped. in business and it helps him actually in international politics as well, we can expect from him as a positive thing in relation to ukraine, i do not rule out that, well, literally, i don’t know 5% of the probability that he will give a day to ukrainians, the ukrainian and russian presidents, and if thanks to or if president putin does not go to... to peace, then he will give ukraine the kind of help we need, i don't i exclude it, but it is unlikely, given that trump has a lot of negative things associated with ukraine. he believes that we helped hilary klimt in the 16th year, he believes that there were

interferences in the american elections for hilary clinton from our territory from the servers, he remembers a perfect conversation with president zelensky, which later led to impeachment. in the united states , impeachment is somewhat different, and that is why he can be convicted under a criminal article and take a seat, that is, in the white house, that is, the united states is a slightly different country from the point of view of rights, here, but also what worries those people who understand the united states, that there are people in his environment who, well , have an extremely... negative attitude towards ukraine, the same tucker clarkson, who is a mouthpiece of russian propaganda, in fact, he is very often shown on russian television, and he advises mr. trump on foreign policy, there are other people there, so most likely, if there is one, well, the black swan

will come to us in the form of trump , it will certainly be difficult, but it is clear that neither neither the ukrainian president nor the ukrainian society will agree to give up time. own territories , and of course we understand what, let's say , the end of the conflict is, it will only be a pause for the next attack on ukraine, that is, we should not freeze the conflicts, by the way, i really liked the speech of our president in dausa, he said, that it is not a frozen conflict in ukraine, but frozen russian assets, what is needed in order to stop this war, we will work with whoever, whoever, but of course we would like to see someone unconscious. joseph biden or nick gelli, well, it's the choice of the american people. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr khara, a diplomat. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, during the program we conduct a survey, we ask you whether the president is responsible for the corruption

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greetings, friends, live on the espresso tv channel, the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, we continue our program today in the release, no frozen conflicts, did the world hear zelensky about the predator putin, the results of davos for ukraine. the world is on the verge of the third. of the world, lavrov scares with nuclear escalation, is europe ready for war with russia? the ukrainian formula for peace for the whole world, the coordination of formulations is in progress, will the peace summit be held already this year? we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching on these platforms, please put us up like this video and also vote in our poll. today we ask you about this, is the president responsible for corruption in the ministry of defense? yes

, no, please vote on youtube with two buttons, either yes or no, or write your comment below this video, if you are sitting in front of the tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think the president is responsible for corruption of the ministry of defense (0800-211-381) no (080021382), all calls to these numbers are free, call. and at the end of the program we let's sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's program, this is ivana klympush-tsintsadze, people's deputy of ukraine from the european solidarity faction. mrs. ivanna, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, thank you for the invitation. oleksandr mereshko, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people faction, chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you and thank you. and we are still waiting for the inclusion of oleksandra o oksana savchuk thank the people's deputies of ukraine,

i hope that they will join already during our program. well, ladies and gentlemen, since we are asking our viewers about the responsibility, about the political responsibility of the president for corruption in the ministry of defense of ukraine. let's do it in blitz format, you'll just give answers within one minute, what do you think about it, because there are a lot of scandals around the ministry of defense, a lot of questions about abuses. and moreover , the sums there are billions of abuses by the hrenkevychs and billions by various others projects, i.e. who is responsible and who is responsible? president , politically, of course, mrs. ivano, we will start with you, and you know, we are in a state of war, we are in a state of war, and this means that the supreme commander, certainly, as a person who represents the minister of defense, and these are two ministerial portfolios that actually report

to the president of ukraine, the minister of defense and the minister of foreign affairs, of course, and... bears political responsibility for what is happening in this department. thank you, ma'am ivan, mr. oleksandr, what do you think? well, as a lawyer, i believe in legal responsibility, that is, it seems to me that it is necessary to specify that these cases should be dealt with by the relevant law enforcement agencies and the anti-corruption infrastructure that was created and proved its effectiveness. regarding political responsibility. then, for any politician, this issue is decided at the election, that is, the voters decide whether this politician bears political responsibility or not by voting. thank you, mr. oleksandr, mrs. ivano and, mr. oleksandr, this week , the world economic forum in davos took place, and is taking place, is coming to an end, president zelensky addressed

the political-financial elite or the political-economic elite. the world and spoke about the danger of the russian federation and the predator putin, he said well that it is not necessary, it is not necessary to freeze the conflict in ukraine, but it is necessary to freeze assets, russian assets abroad, and that the predator putin will never be satisfied only with frozen m yasom, he will always want blood, and he will always seek that blood and... to fight not only with ukraine, did the world hear zelenskyi in davos, mrs. ivano? well, i think that you and i could not count on the fact that this international extremely important platform would become some kind of breakthrough story for ukrainian diplomacy there, but the presence

of president zelensky there was certainly important and right, it is good that he is trying to continue . to reach the world in different ways and in different variations, let's say, and with different metaphors, but i think it's time for such a, you know, systemic and consistent and comprehensive diplomacy, when emotional things and emotional comparisons work less, and rational finding together works more. interests with one or another state, on the basis of which we have to further build expectations and build calculations for their help, and i would like ukrainian diplomacy to finally, from the diplomacy of the 22nd year, which was very, very

emotional for obvious reasons, we had the whole 23rd year in order to switch to a slightly different flight. are we already there? it doesn't seem to me that we, or rather, it seems to me that we haven't switched at all, well , to such a different approach. did the world hear? unfortunately, we see with you that moods are changing in many countries of the world, including due to active work, we must not forget that russia did not stop its work, somewhere its possibilities of influence were cut a little at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, but... unfortunately, in many ways, russia has regained its influence on law, radical political projects in various countries, and on public opinion in many countries, and, well, he works with some separate analytical structures through which he promotes his narratives, and all this, unfortunately, is also reflected

in the way politicians in... and democratic, which respond to the mood of their societies, to help ukraine. we are grateful to all those who continue to show leadership in this process, i think that these are not just statements, but the actions of other politicians, in particular, for example, the same prime minister of great britain, who came to ukraine with the announcement of additional funds, and... a large, well, increased package of military aid for this year, as well as the announcement by the chancellor of germany, mr. scholz , that in fact... will he double his military aid to ukraine in the 24th year, president macron's statements, we still do not understand what this means in financial terms, because in fact, despite

the great support of ukraine, today , compared to other capable states, france does not allocate so much, if i am not mistaken , 0.02 of its gdp, for today france allocates military aid. he also talks about the increase of this military aid, i think that these examples, well, he actually feeds on them, let's say the world there about how to act further, and how realistically our partners today assess the threat that the russian federation carries not only to us, ukrainians, in fact to the entire free world and the global... global world order as such, because zelensky was heard in davos, i don't think that anything has changed after davos, and this or that

phrase or metaphor again, it can some shake the world in some way, but the fact that we need to knock on all doors and we need to continue to do it systematically at all levels, starting from the president, government officials, parliamentarians, public on... organizations to do it in interaction in a systemic such coordination, then this just a simple duty of each of us, thank you, ms. ivano, mr. oleksandr, during davos, the ukrainian delegation held a meeting on the ukrainian peace formula, and the peace formula is an initiative of president zelenskyi, a global peace summit is to be held in switzerland, during the visit of the president. and conversations with the president of switzerland, actually this was achieved, and it is obvious that when we talk about zelenskyi's peace formula, we are not

only talking about the peace formula for ukraine, we are talking about the european continent, we are talking about the world, after all is about a new security system, because all those security precautions that were after the second world war and the whole system. it simply collapsed on february 24, 2022, when putin launched a large-scale offensive against ukraine, uh, when we talk about the victory of ukraine, when we are we talking about the defeat of russia with our partners, do we mean the same thing when we talk about the victory of ukraine and what kind of defeat putin should suffer, is everyone ready for putin's defeat, that everyone is ready for victory.. ukraine - this is obvious, but is everyone ready for putin's defeat and do we speak the same language with our partners? and i hope that all responsible western

politicians are ready for the victory of ukraine and for the implementation or implementation of the peace formula of president zelensky in the sense that it is said, indeed, you are absolutely right here, no not only about the fate of ukraine and about russian aggression against ukraine, it is said. about the future of humanity and about the global security system, about the international legal order. i believe that every western politician should be interested in restoring the international legal order. why, because it is in the interests of every country, every european, every country, for international law to protect global security and every state in the world. therefore, i am sure that this is exactly how we should understand it, first of all. a certain minimum of victory: restoration of the international and european legal order architecture of security and world security, and this means, first of all, the restoration

of the territorial integrity of ukraine and the creation of the necessary security guarantees for ukraine and any state in the world, as well as punishment, punishment and responsibility, international legal and criminal responsibility of the aggressor. thank you sir. sandra, oksana savchuk, non-partisan people's deputy of ukraine, joined us. mrs. oksana, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. we, with your colleagues, with ivana klympush-sensadze and oleksandr mereshko we are talking about what we have seen , the results of our delegation's visit to davos and the speech of the president of ukraine, and how the event is perceived and whether it is perceived. ukraine's position regarding the fact that putin is absolute evil, that putin is a predator, and this predator can attack not only ukraine, but also the baltic states and

poland. and the countries of the north atlantic alliance, others, is there an awareness in your opinion that these are the forecasts given by the germans now, and the swedes, and the poles, and representatives of the baltic countries, that in 3-5 years europe could face russian aggression , was zelensky convincing when he talked about... that now, putin has to get a fight back, a tough fight back, because it 's been two years of a large-scale invasion, everyone can see the scale of the war, the largest continental the war after the second world war and probably the biggest war in the world in terms of scale, casualties and destruction.

yes, good evening, well, look. first of all, we understand that the udavosi forum is a place that gathers all, first of all, politicians world level, experts, all those who think strategically somewhere, and even though the topic is global warming, how it will affect the future of the world, uh, the topic of war, including the one that was discussed, and for ukraine, of course, it is very important. what can we do first of all, what are the conclusions for ourselves? well, the fact that we , of course, the war is happening on our territory, and when somewhere our european colleagues, friends, all make predictions that russia may attack neighboring countries that are members of nato, and that they need to prepare, then we should of course also show that

today in ukraine... it is doing everything possible to keep the enemy on our eastern lands, because if we had not stood up in the first days of the active war and it has not been going on since 2014 , then nato would already be at war in the 22nd year, and they should understand that , but of course all politicians are politicians who think strategically ahead, but there are of course politicians of other countries who are quite... weak enough slow, they do not want to make difficult decisions, they delay these responsible decisions, and so do such politicians today there is, and we state this as a fact. well, of course, it is very important for us not to talk there today, but what will happen in a year or two, because for us, as a country, ukraine, which is already at war with russia today, and russia is the country that lives , feeds on the fact that she is constantly in wars, that is, she does not know

how to think strategically, how can she... exist without warriors, without admiration, and putin, who dreams of going down in history, no less than there is catherine, or stalin or others, that is he will constantly fight, our task is to think about what we have not done in the last active two years of the war us in the country, to stop creating certain illusions, conspiring people in a single marathon, and start a really powerful one of our own. training civilians in a new way, including the acquisition of certain military skills and reformatting, i.e. look, now we really started to actively buy the same drones, we understand that the guys even give us such analytics somewhere that they still get 40 percent at the end of last year from the state, they receive 60% from the population,

volunteers of public funds. our task as a lawmaker, we should do everything possible to eliminate all the gaps in the legislation that we have, i.e., if we eliminated the customs duty on the import of certain plates for body armor, etc., then we still need to take into account the components and remove small parts from this, because today we buy a lot of things in europe, and the war in ukraine is enriching, including other countries, and we must talk openly about this too. because they produce more weapons, these weapons come to ukraine, we need them for our army to receive by ourselves, therefore, summing up everything that happened in davos, i would say that the fact that we were present there on the topic of ukraine, of course, is very important, that we must adjust, that this year we should not only demand.