armed, they entered the territory of the enterprise and so on , listen, frankly speaking, it is not my problem that our law enforcement structures allow some illegal armed groups to exist in ukraine, and they could enter some enterprises there, their or to close or open and so on and the like, you understand, that is , a private military company, it is registered somewhere, that is, it is a legal entity, it can no longer be... considered as an illegal group, because there is a registration, of course, if there is a group, a group of people who have weapons in the presence of some means of personal protection, and there are a lot of them, so it falls, if i am not mistaken, under article 260 of the criminal code of ukraine, illegal armed or armed formations, but a private company, it is... registered somewhere,

you understand, this first, second, mentality , mentality, we looked at the events that took place in the russian federation, when wagner's communist party went to storm, relatively speaking, moscow, i don't want to offend anyone, but people who have not done anything bad, they are not afraid of anything, you understand, that is, to be afraid of what some pmcs will try there. government , look at the events of 2014, people , people didn't like what was happening in the country, people rose up, they used force, that's when we lost this monopoly on force, the state lost its monopoly on force, people rose up and they removed the government, that is, yanukovych escaped from ukraine, and we managed to do that...

in the ukrainian language, i don't remember, with the help of the population, not with the help of the pmc, that is, i don't remember any cases in ukraine where the pmc, private military companies were involved in some illegal activities, that is, these fears that we have are completely unfounded, the pvc is a tool of the state, not an instrument against the state, but for some reason people do not want to hear this, or simply do not hear, you understand, that is ? as i understand it, the current attitude towards the pmk is rather a consequence of the fact that we are held hostage by our old mythologists, and because of this, relatively speaking, we do not want to see the potential that currently lies behind the pmk, as an association of structured citizens who can to provide, well, higher education or creation of high-quality units of the armed forces, or individual units of other power structures, but then that is a normal issue.

rationing, the law on private companies, britain, the united states , there are no such laws, although these companies are represented all over the world, we have then, which way to go, these flirting with laws, they, the legislation should probably be limited, except by certain licensing of such activities and create transparent mechanisms for registration and control of such structures, well, this is one of the options. well , let's say so, license, licensing, yes, maybe you can get it, but you understand, we have licenses for, for example, the transfer of knowledge, if we are talking about the transfer of knowledge, that is, we are limited only to training, that is, if a private military company, for example, it, relatively speaking, goes on a business trip to the congo, in order to conduct training there. armed forces

of the democratic republic of the congo, she needs a knowledge transfer license. but we are restricting the pmc here because we, we are limiting the activities of the pmc, because we are talking exclusively about the activities of the pmc outside ukraine. if to return to the law of ukraine on pmcs, then the law of ukraine already answers the question. this is a law of ukraine that can only be applied on the territory of ukraine. law. ukraine will not operate on the territory of mozambique, or on the territory of mali or burkina faso. that is, that in ukraine we regulate with such a law. unfortunately, when there was a debate on this matter, the author of this bill, mrs. vasylevska smaglyuk, she created a working group, but i don't know how many times this working group met, but i was invited to one meeting, and i spoke more than myself. ..

i was not invited to these meetings of the working group, because i was categorically against many points of this law, for example, i don't see why... our ukrainian pmc should create warehouses with ammunition, with weapons, with armored vehicles and so on , what will we do with it, that is , this law in the format in which it was written, it is absolutely counterproductive, but it will never pass in the verkhovna rada, the law in which it is written that a ukrainian private military company, here i have there is a training ground, and what should i do now, me drive 10 drones to the training ground, put ... mortars there, put machine guns, weapons, ammunition and so on there, put up security, the question arises, why do you need all this on the territory of ukraine, and that is why i believe that the law, the draft law , which was written, it was written

incorrectly, i expressed my opinion, i am so from this working group. and when we still talk about private military companies, then what is the mechanism of financial existence for such enterprises, relatively speaking, if we say that these companies perform tasks there outside of ukraine, they really have contracts there with potential foreign customers, if they work in ukraine, what should they be paid for and who will pay this money. yes, also a very interesting question, first of all, let's understand if a ukrainian private military company has concluded a contract with a foreign customer, then this is the responsibility, payment of services, this is the responsibility

of the foreign customer exclusively, if a ukrainian private military company, for example, goes to a business trip, i call it a business trip. goes to a business trip, for example, to burkina faso, and she goes on a business trip in the interests of the state, then of course, first of all, such a business trip must be financed by the state, because we work in the interests of the state, after that there may be other financing options, but in order for us to have a launch abroad in the interests of the state, the state must pay for it. if we are talking now in the conditions of a war, a full-scale war with russia, the use of private military companies in ukraine, on the territory of ukraine, yes, i understand that this is a very unpopular opinion, but it should be financed by the state,

you see, a private military company is not a beggar who should go around begging for money, do you want us to do some certain actions? well, i can't, i have people, i currently have people in ukraine whom i can use, and they want to work for us, but i personally do not have the resources to attract these specialists. the problem is that i have specialists, and these specialists are currently working on a contract with the armed forces of ukraine, but specialists work as stormtroopers, that is, they go and storm. trenches, i think it's a waste of resources. i have another proposal, i have already expressed this proposal. some people heard me, but there are no sanctions, you know, no sanctions, so that i can take these people and use them somewhere,

in some other way. i have no money, no funding, no authority to be these people. could take it and use it somewhere for its intended purpose, that's the problem, i want to tell you what it is not the first time, because i watched, i saw how we use, this is not a criticism, maybe some experts or experienced people will say that andrew, you are wrong and so on, but this is my personal opinion, i saw how we use , we use ssso operators on assaults of the same trenches, and now i have a question: "if both an ssso operator from our side and a banal mobilized one from the russian federation die in a frontal attack, how much time and money do we need, time is very important, to prepare more

one sso operator who accidentally died in frontal contact with a person mobilized from the russian federation, and how much time and money is needed to..." restore this mobilized from the russian federation at the front in ukraine, you see, we need to train sso operators at least 6 months. and the russians will replace this mobilized tomorrow, what am i talking about, we are using our resources, sometimes, sometimes, i am not criticizing, again, this is a statement of facts, we are using our resources inappropriately, i have people right now who are sitting in in ukraine, i can use them in other directions, but they just go and storm the trenches, these are people who have 20 years of combat experience, well, in fact, you are talking about what if these... people who are trained in your company , who have considerable experience, were used according to the complexity

of the tasks, then it would be much more effective than simply using them as attack aircraft that repelled one plantation near avdiivka, and we understand that then this does not correspond to the potential that is laid in these people, who accumulated over the years, acquired filigree capabilities for combat operations, then the question arises, how to find. how to find a way out of such a labyrinth, so that, relatively speaking, the heads of private companies have more opportunities to interact with the military leadership, to receive some tasks that they solve comprehensively, relying on their capabilities, and not scattered among the storming units, existing brigades , you understand, here we are, we communicate a lot with you. for a long time on this matter, i communicated with mr. bodrak and others people, and we always talk about problems,

problems, these are such problems, we have problems, we need to ask the question in a different way, what should be done in order to solve these problems, and in order to solve these problems, it is necessary, for the government to hear us, i myself , you understand, because... i have no leverage, no contacts, and so on, i also wrote a letter to the president, former poroshenko, and i appealed to president zelenskyi, i have a letter, a reply, and they are writing to me from the office of the president of ukraine: we inform you that your appeal with a proposal to use the possibility of private military companies, in particular limited liability companies of megaconsulting groups for the implementation of... related to the sphere of national security and defense of the state , has been sent to the apparatus of the national

security and defense council of ukraine and the ministry of defense of ukraine with with a request to consider and inform you about the results, that's it, that's it, we don't have a lobbyist who can come, i'm sorry, and say that this is what needs to be done, and then we need to collect working group, but for this working group you need to... invite experts, you know, you need to invite someone from the national security and defense council, you need to invite us, you need to invite someone from the general staff, from the ministry of defense, what is it called, a profile, a profile committee, if i don't i'm wrong, verkhovna rada of ukraine, and discuss, we have an urgent issue, we need to discuss together, is it expedient, and if it is expedient, how can we use private military companies? if it is impractical, then some arguments are needed, but it should be decided collegially, not as in

us in ukraine, some analyst said, i am against it, because the state should have a monopoly on force, and we listened to him and said, well, he is against it and so on, all this talk about private military companies being banned in ukraine , they are completely groundless, there is no law of ukraine banning private military companies, we have them now in full force. war, if we have such an urgent issue, in my opinion we should gather a working group, talk, and i'm sure we could find, find a solution, but how i don't know how to do this, because i wrote to zelensky, i wrote to umerov , i wrote to zaluzhny, i wrote to kuleba, i wrote in person, there are no answers to my letters, that is, someone needs to come. and said: it should be considered, i want

to give you such a very good example, if there is still time: it is very important, i was lucky to work and be personally acquainted with the american general of the armed forces of the united states of america, david petraeus. and when hostilities began in afghanistan and iraq. and the united states america realized that they started to lose, david petraeus came to the president of the united states and he said this phrase, he said: "mr. president, we are not." can we just raise the stakes partly there today a little bit tomorrow a little bit the day after tomorrow we have to go all in, in english it's called all in because if we don't go all in we're going to lose this war that was a very brave man , because she simply came to the president and expressed

her opinion, i want you on this matter to say that there is even such a book, it is called all in, here it is, i took it with me, the author, general david petraeus, they called it all in, all bets are off, and it turns out that we have a war right now, and we don’t place any bets, and the americans placed only because someone attacked the pentagon and the trade center, people did not enter the country in tanks, armored personnel carriers, did not torture, destroy, rape population, simply usamadlandin attacked. the pentagon, and they said that it is necessary to put all bets on the line, that is, it is necessary to use all available forces and means that we have, and if we do not have these forces and means, then we need to create them, and they created the pmc, but we hesitate, mr. andriy, thank you very much for the inclusion, i have

information at my disposal resources and analytical resources, this is what i am trying to contribute to the promotion of the idea of... related to private companies, i hope that we will continue to do this and find like-minded people in power, in order to come to an understanding that it is necessary shouldn't we put a full stop on di and already after? to form a new strategy, but it is absolutely true that everything must be put on the line in these tough conditions. thank you very much for the inclusion, for your explanation, i will remind our viewers that it was andrii kepkalo, the founder and head of the private military company omega consulting group. and then we will talk about z'. more specifically the civilian firearms bill, there are many comments on this bill and we will talk about it in the context of how it affects training positively or rather negatively of our military, in particular for the training of our snipers, but more on that after the advertising and information block.

we continue our program on war and weapons, and further we will talk about how we train for... professional snipers, but still, in the context of the discussion of the draft law on weapons, which now has to be discussed in the second reading in our parliament, there are many nuances , unpleasant, as for me, nuances, and we will now talk about this with our next guest, we are joined by yurii chornomorets, doctor of philosophical sciences, volunteer and sniper, mr. yury, i congratulate you, glad to see and hear, good day to everyone, were you going to talk about the sniper? but i think that will be the second part of our conversation, because first, after all, the story with the firearms bill, it worries me a little, to say the least, because it cannot be in the conditions when there is a war, whether we try or not there, the authorities are trying to screw up the point of view that the use of weapons is becoming so complicated. i know that you

have read this bill in detail, but you know, all these painful moments are related to this law. project would like to hear your opinion on whether we need such a law in the conditions of war. i want to say that the original intention of the draft law was, accordingly, to allow citizens to have more opportunities to own weapons, and, firstly, it is for self-defense, and secondly, again, for the protection of the homeland. in the conditions that exist today, but as a result of the work in the specialized committee, as a result of the work of the ministry of internal affairs, we have a lot. such amendments, which are tougher than even russian legislation, and which are simple frankly, there are, well, let's say, such stabs

in the back at the moment, ukrainian defense, here is the first thing that catches the eye, if, let's say directly, that according to this draft law, for example, you cannot withdraw, as an instructor, you are not you can take the sniper... to the training ground, even more so to the training ground in the neighboring region and so on, you have to be put in charge of the ministry of internal affairs and so on, suddenly, it means that someone pretended that you did not do it or something else, you immediately plant, of course, what is your attitude to it is very easy to lose the information of the ministry of internal affairs, and then the person is to blame, again, we see that , for example, you are like a snai... for example, in the sumy region, yes, and you are, for example, part of the armed forces that fight and

protect the border, but you are picked up and thrown into another area at night due to an alarm, where you close the enemy's breakthrough, you fight heroically, then it turns out that once you did it with your own person.' that sniper weapon, i emphasize that a very significant part of snipers fight with their personal sniper weapons, we only from 244 rifles that we provided to the defense forces of ukraine, 241 were given for personal use, here it turns out that you are already a violator of the law, and you must bear a very strict responsibility for this, of course, which is absurd, because in the impossible... training, combat work becomes impossible, becomes impossible the fact that you, for example , because of your comrades-in-arms who have certificates of the same caliber, simply

hand them over to the boys, that means ammunition to the front, you are already guilty, that's how totalitarian tendencies are, they are very strange to me, because everything this is an attempt to do so in general actually impossible. not in ukraine, for example , sniping, constant training of the civilian population is impossible, all this naturally undermines the defense capability very seriously, and then there are very absurd requirements for the possession of short-barreled weapons, a lot of snipers cannot carry with them for self-defense, respectively, well, i don’t know , some kind of arch and something else that we would like to have with us. there is a glock 17, 19 or 45, but, let's say, it is very difficult to get it, and very often people buy it, wait until

they are awarded with all the weapons, then they are not awarded, or they are awarded there with a weapon that they already had some kind of aunt and so on, people do not have the weapons that they would like, for which they would have already paid money, well... the professionalism of these people is that they do not will use these weapons to the right, to the left, it is clear that there is no doubt, at the same time, some people, whom i do not know, are absolutely immature, they start there in chernivtsi, like the son of a judge, to shoot in the air with an awarded weapon, and now it is proposed that otaki be awarded, they have been there since the age of 18, and... actually, to reward a military man , on the contrary, it becomes impossible, because there is supposed to be all kinds of tightening, and

all this is absurd, all this is stupid, and by the way, it is systematic, because, for example, a few years ago we did a workshop from the repair of weapons and from ammunition, there were some requirements, and, let's say, then, we saw that yes... it is, let's say, well, very difficult to pull, but it is possible. now, when it turned out that we are already doing it, we urgently need it in one of the regions of ukraine, and accordingly, it is really related to of a military unit to a combat brigade, it turned out that there are such strict requirements for what this workshop should be and so on, that is, not only is there an absurd law, but there are all kinds of... all kinds of bureaucratic prescriptions that are accepted at the bottom, as well , they also make it more brutal, and accordingly make it very often impossible to develop

sniping, the development of the population's ability to self-defense, this is absurd, if we look at bulgaria, when a law was passed that all people have the right to carry a gun, there women, there, well, anyone , then crime immediately fell 10-12 times , that is, yes, there are excesses, of course, and so on, but the psychology of the population changes very immediately, and even i would say, well, we should change ... to become afraid that if the armed population in the kyiv region met the russian federation, it would be a completely different war, and if we did not have so many problems, say, on the first day in gostomel there were so many problems and the like, that is, it is already clear here, obviously , we realized in practice that we should be like in texas, that everyone can own a weapon, and accordingly, every

responsible citizen, he... really has the right to defend his own home and protect his homeland, including his own weapons. then, when we talk about these amendments to the draft law, we can actually claim that they carry systemic risks for our defense capability, because firstly , they limit our system training, they minimize, relatively speaking, the readiness of the population to fight the enemy with various small arms and... then the question arises, who then in the parliament, conditionally speaking , is pushing this draft law, because a significant number of reports actually come from the ministry of internal affairs, well, somehow it does not look entirely logical and appropriate, because the ministry of internal affairs also forms brigades, fights on the front line, why then there are many such critical things in this draft law, which are actually unacceptable from the point of view of defense capability, do you have an understanding of why this is so clearly manifested in the parliament

now? well, it is completely incomprehensible to me, especially since now is the anniversary of denis's death monastyrskyi, and they are all very proud of the fact that he made the decision to hand out machine guns from cars to anyone in kyiv, well, if, well, we remember, this controversial decision, when volunteers, soldiers came, say, for territorial defense, like ours, and let's say, they didn't... get these automatic weapons, but it is not known who took them there in the shell, and they needed something else for the picture, i don't understand this shuffling from side to side, in fact, and accordingly you have an extremely simple thing, yes, you have conscious population, this population is a nation that defends itself, that's why it's clear that you

quite... in today's informational world, let's say, avoid such excesses that weapons are a crime, we remember how one of the volunteers was shot there by bandits, on the porches, according to the weapons that the convict received, respectively, through your ministry of internal affairs, and accordingly, he used this keltech 9-millimeter weapon and, accordingly , shot an azov volunteer with this carbine, and here , accordingly, well, an extremely very simple situation, you if you would put yourself in order, even according to the existing rules, let it work and let people already train, let people get professions and so on, and on the contrary, think about the system, how you

can really liberalize. let's say, this whole situation, let the people have more weapons, and accordingly, so that the people are really, well, responsible for the future of the country, not just in the way , let's say, well, at the moment they are responsible, but in the way that they in israel are responsible that they know that either they have weapons at home and will immediately go to fight, or, let's say, they know where the nearest ones are... point, where to get this weapon, and this is his rifle, he shot it, with which he, accordingly, knows all its features, and he will fight with it, because you understand, then here are all these recipes for handing out assault rifles, well, they gave out assault rifles then and what, and then in the quarry we went there, shot, because it was unclear even how he shoots, well, actually he...