our oligarchs have good profits, and everything is fine in the economy, that, but with them, look, this structure of sibur, which is part of gazprom-neft, showed for the 23rd year both profits and dividends are huge, yes, but dividends whoever pumps out, the state pumps out, because it takes everything possible there, they do not reduce taxes, and this is not a drawback, not underinvestment in the development of new wells, it is not additional financing, including. repairs and so on, no, i am not saying that everything is so bad for them, i am saying that it is gradually working, but ukraine should to help prevent this from happening, and critical , critical for them is, i told you, to bomb a couple of factories, they will not be able to provide, will not be able to provide equipment, because weapons, weapons, they can smuggle them in, because in principle it is not unique not the spare parts

that they buy in the west, they are sold in open access, these are not secret technologies, and they are small-sized, well, there, for example, parts for a rocket, well, you can pack them, excuse me, even parts can be put into such a small container and it is impossible to stop and catch all this, try, for example, to bring a cracking unit for oil refining, who has seen it in life, well, try this way, especially since it is all western. and it will be more difficult to get around, and you will not be able to provide everything exactly a full cycle so that it all works as it should. and mr. taras, we heard your arguments, understood, and thank you for the analysis of the situation in our program to the extent of animals, taras zagorodnyi, a political technologist, was with us about what is being done in the territory called muscovy. let's take a short break stay with us for further. will be interesting and

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in various discussions, in particular, in the discussion of the discussion, which is called. another peace formula, we have already talked about it more than once on our airwaves, since it is such a unique thing, no one has developed it in ukraine, but it is used all over the world, and even israel was forced to listen and talk about something there, i will tell you honestly, most of the points of the ukrainian peace formula are, you know, like 10 pegs, and we will do it 10 times with you let's lie down and raise our glasses, what is the meaning... to the state of israel, which is at war itself and knows the clear difference between empty pr and real military decisions, what was the point of participating in the discussion of this, it is not known why, and maybe, maybe you could correct something, please, colleagues,

see, as they say, where there are two jews, there are three opinions, i think that in davos there was something similar to this, because there are many. what they said, but i think that they did not reach such a common goal. the only thing is that israel really took part in this for the first time at a serious, or not serious, world forum, israel listened to what people were saying and said a little about itself, let's say the president of israel, yitzhak herzok, turned to the world community to remind them that there is also a war going on in israel and that israel does not look as bad as other countries of the world say about it, many countries of the world, in addition, let's say that a lawsuit against israel was filed in the international court of justice in the hague, then

this was just such an option when herzog had the opportunity to appeal to that community which maybe not for israel, but not against israel, but... neutral, this is the majority of countries in the world that are neutral to this war and not only to our war here in israel, but also to our war in ukraine, so that's exactly what it was this is an opportunity to appeal to that community and remind them that people are good, there is a war , a terrible war is going on in both ukraine and israel, a common enemy, let's put it this way, they are terrorists, because terrorists have also come from russia who are killing ukrainians on the territory of ukraine. and ee hamas, which crossed the border and kills jews in the territory of israel just because they are jews, this is, as i understand it, a common narrative that must be heard by the world community and pay attention, and it is not for nothing that herzog still called on the world community

to pay attention to terrorism, which continues its and he did the right thing, but he didn't say anything. neither to our andriy yermak, nor to his peace formula, he simply used the platform to once again appeal to the adequate people of the planet, but we did not hear something, something for him to say, oh, what a bite you came up with a peace formula, no , he didn’t say anything like that, and the israeli media didn’t write or discuss anything like that either, i’ll tell you, i was very surprised that russian-speaking, well, we don’t have ukrainian-speaking television here, but russian-speaking television . they did not even mention at all that there was such a davos and that the israeli delegation was there and that it generally said something there. ugh. ms. svitlana, apart from davos, an important event of last week, of previous weeks in ukraine, was the signing of security guarantees with the

britain has a plan that similar guarantees, similar agreements will be signed with some other countries as well, and we have fears that... these documents themselves are good, important, but by chance they will not postpone the prospect, or even make the prospect of signing impossible some more important things, such as joining nato. we would like to ask you about your experience, which could be useful for ukraine, in fact, how to get such support, guarantees, not assurances, actually guarantees that we will help, intercede and be. with us in case of what? look, my opinion and the opinion of politicians and analysts, experts in israel, whom i listen to and read from time to time, the hope should be first of all in oneself, in one's country,

in one's forces, in one's army, one's government. we can't always do it ourselves, we really need help, because now israel has support from... the united states of america, from other countries of the euro european union, but still, what should this support be here, the support should be financial, must be. informative and but all the work that the country has to do, it has to do by itself, it is very difficult, it is very difficult, but there is simply no other way out, now between israel and the united states of america, which have been communicating and being friends for many years, at the level of politics, on levels of the economy, still there are such differences in some issues, for example, in the issues of ending the war, in... in the issues of the creation of palestinian autonomy, i am talking about what is important here now in the middle east, where

the war continues, the war is difficult , the war is terrible, it continues like in the south of israel, it continues in the north, and it continues without any shots, aircraft guns, in the center - judea and samaria, where every day the israel defense forces arrest several terrorists who come out with stones and weapons and attack. jews, because of that, the world community is good, help is good, but we have to have our own opinion, our own strategy, how to decide how to end this war in israel, after all, i will now talk about israel, about the middle east, because i live here and it hurts me too, my grandchildren are fighting in this war and so am i i worry not as a citizen, but also as a grandmother, because i think, what about our soldiers, do they eat everything, or not? they sleep in those tents that don't leak, and they haven't come home for 70 days, their mobile

phones are taken away, they don't have any communication, that's why it's very difficult, we have to rely first of all on ourselves, and this every country should be , they will help, it is very good, we have, we understand your anxieties and worries, it is this when the guilt becomes on a personal level, on a family level, even felt, and i have everything there is one thing for you. such a global question , you are our colleague, maybe you can give us an honest answer, because you know, these diplomats , politicians, they are always trying to get something out of the way, and so on, i see that the students sued harvard, i remember this situation, these world centers of thought, these world centers were democracies, and harvards, and oxfords and all other universities, how can you explain that suddenly everything in this... world, in america and europe, in universities where the thought lives on in the

cultural communities, in hollywood, etc other parties. where did this support for hamas come from, where did this idiocy, leftist-hamasian, both in america and in europe, where are the roots? i think that this is a failure of the information policy of the state itself. israel, because what has been going on for many years, it was not yesterday that hamas came to us, it has been operating for many, many years, and again, we have experience when we stop unfinished business, we leave it, then it is coming back, by the way, this is what the president of ukraine zelensky also said, that if we stop this war in ukraine now, then it will be back again, same here. this is what we once stopped, it's back, it's quietly spreading. look , the palestinians, the arabs, they study in many universities of the world, in the same harvards, oxfords and

so on, and when the situation in israel escalates just a little bit, they immediately throw in their information that they think that israel during the 70 years, as they believe, this is an aggressor who seized territories, seized their lives and so on, and this is it a little bit... spreads, spreads, and you yourself know when a drop of water drips, drips , today one, tomorrow two, tomorrow three, then there will already be some kind of dimple, the same here, this loss in the information system of israel, this is what resonates in all these universities where people study, where get an education, where they communicate and spread all this initiative and information, this is my opinion, ms. svitlana, when... the war in israel started in october, many people said that it was not for long, that we got used to it, a few

weeks, at most, there will be silence, peace, everything will end, three months have already passed, nothing is finished, and now there are forecasts that this war will continue this year and next year, that is, it will be such a long war, whether the country is ready, whether ordinary people, or you are like a grandmother ready for the fact that your grandchildren will be fighting for years, before that? that it will be such a long war, maybe it will eventually turn into a low-intensity war, but still, that it is for a long time, you know, what i think grandma is like this, but what does my grandson think? er, who is fighting now, he said: "grandma, under no circumstances should we now finish what we started on the eighth, because the war with hamas officially began on october 8. we have to finish it, because we have already lost a lot of our soldiers there, and everyone these three topics that were set on the second day after the hamas attack on

israel, it was to release the hostages, it was to destroy hamas completely and make it so that..." no longer threatened us, unfortunately we have not succeeded until now, because of at the last press conference, our prime minister netanyahu said that the war will continue until we solve all three issues, he has his arguments, he, he has certain considerations, why it is important for him that this war continues, so he must improve his position, and here is your position, position your grandchildren, your neighbors. we have to destroy hamas, we have to return the hostages and make sure that this does not come back in 3-4 years, 10 years, that is, so that we have peace here without hamas, hizballah, which also operates a little there in the north, because of that we we have to go to the end, the war will be long, it is this year may continue in 2025 as well, but

we have to end it with a complete victory, this is what all average people think. the israelis , you can believe me, and this is the correct logic , we, the ukrainians, during the 350 years of the existence of wild tribes in the north of the country, also went into the forest, also understood that it is impossible to drag out this war for the sake of our grandchildren, we have something in common and, by the way, some things precisely from the military experience of the tsakhal, the ukrainian armed forces will also take over, and i hope that the experience of the armed forces will also be useful for the tsakhal, when they will face interesting russian syrians and other hesbolites , in a word, this is our common fate now, ms. svitlana, thank you for participating in our program, svitlana glatz, a journalist from israel, was with us, let's take a short break, let's talk, by the way, about demographics , this is not only the consequences of the war, we will talk in general about the situation, which the war only aggravated, and that very significantly,

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the support of the national assembly of persons with disabilities of ukraine, enable me ukraine. the first page of the great war. 242 days of fighting. 242 days of hell, the defense of the donetsk airport, we remember those who persevered. we go back and talk about demography , about this really very important thing for our country, because we understand that we have to win, but after the victory we need to know who will

live and who will rebuild our country, we invited oleksandr gladun, deputy director , to this conversation from scientific work ptuha institute of demography and social research of the national academy of sciences of ukraine. welcome to our air, mr. oleksandr. good day. we want to discuss in more detail. a document called the strategy of the demographic development of ukraine 2040, that is, for the period of the next 16, almost 17 years, what forecasts do we have for this time, and actually, can we now announce the number of how many ukrainians there will be in ukraine, on the territory of our country during this period , in the 40th year, well, in the 40th year, approximately. we can determine if we take in at the borders of this - at the borders of 1991, it

will be approximately 28-29 million people, ugh, but are there any calculations as to how many age categories there are, so we understand that if the average age in japan is under 90, i'm sorry. not the middle age, actually, the average death rate is under 90, and there are a lot of retirees there, actually elderly people, so what could be the situation in ukraine, will the birth rate be high, or will middle-aged people prevail, as it might be in our country ? well, according to our forecast estimates, the birth rate in we will be at a rather low level, mortality is one of the tasks, it must be reduced. although it is also quite high now, and if we talk in this connection with the sex-age structure, due to the fact that the birth rate is too low, then the number

of children will decrease, and according to our forecasts, for example, children in under the age of 18, well pain, well, by the 40th year, approximately all of them will be in the population structure of 12%. at the same time, there will be approximately 28% of people aged 60 and older. that is, this is the ratio of persons of the so-called working age 18-59 years will be approximately 60%. ugh, that is, we have a tendency since 1993 of a significant reduction in the share of children in the population structure and an increase in the share of older people. mr. oleksandr, we are probably still watched by those people who once saw these social videos of 50 million of us on tv, so the situation here is such that nothing affects the demographics as much as the war itself. we have, in addition to

deaths and displaced persons, we have a huge number, a diaspora, millions of people, despite all the sociological surveys that they there is a high percentage of those who would like to return, we understand that the longer the war goes on, the more they will bite into other countries and societies, put down roots, children go to school, and perhaps there will even be an influx of those people who left due to the war, as well as, on the contrary, their significant other, well , for example, parents, husbands who are fighting, on the contrary, they too will be forced to move outside of ukraine for family reunification, so they talk about such things , and this is somehow calculated, we can hear this from you in the form of some... balance sheets, numbers and translate it is in the thousands and millions, well, now we admit , we should admit that

we do not have normal, accurate information, we had information, this was before the beginning of a full-scale invasion, and that was limited due to the fact that part of the territory was occupied, this is crimea and ordlo, and plus the distance from the first, the first and the last census, which was in 2001, and if errors were accumulated in accounting, then, but what can be said about migrants. the record of our migrants who left because of the war is handled by the un high commissioner for refugees, and the number of our citizens abroad is currently estimated at 6.3 million people, that is, this is a very crazy number, a very large number, various sociological surveys are being conducted, about how many people plan to return, how are you settled

abroad, under what conditions will you return to ukraine and so on, if you generalize, well, the methodology is also the same, it is not made public very much, it is very difficult to say how it was about all these examinations, well, if you generalize, then approximately 50% of people plans to return, how it will be in practice, it is difficult to say, because when sociological surveys are conducted now. and people answer these questions , nothing changes in their lives, it's just like intentions, at the moment, when the war ends and the question arises whether to return or not, then the future life of a person will depend on this, if he stays abroad, it will be one life, if he returns, it will be completely different, mr. oleksandr, it is no secret that in some countries, in which they have accepted, in particular, refugees,

these are mainly women and children. less there men, in some countries ukrainians were very happily received at the state level, a very high percentage of higher education, motivated, the whole collapse of this european theory of multi-cults started when the syrians, kurds and other poorly associated peoples went there, they are terribly starting now. programs to retain ukrainians, to give them the opportunity to develop, learn, get a job, i.e. to root these temporarily displaced people into completely new citizens of their country, this is no secret, it is also done in other countries the european union and britain have such programs, germans, poles, even fight for our ukrainian refugees, meanwhile , after the war, we will have a wild shortage of labor force, you yourself said that the pyramid

is changing it very much. this number of young people is already smaller, and the birth rate is smaller, which means that the ukrainian government will be forced to open the borders and attract labor migration to ukraine, and not by tens of thousands, but maybe by the millions, and here some people tell us that on alas, ostarbeiters from the post-soviet republics of central asia will reach out to you, this at best, do you have any? calculations, can you tell us how many multicults will appear in our country and of what kind after the war in ukraine? so you are absolutely right that there is now a fight for people for human capital all over the world, and especially in europe, because europe is also aging, and the age structure there is also tending to age, so they are also

fighting for people and ... our migrants are much more satisfied with them than others, and indeed many countries pursue a policy of adaptation and attracting people to the labor market, this will cause big problems for us in ukraine, because migration in peacetime is mainly of an economic nature, and that is , people from countries with low levels of economic development will come to us. even than in ukraine, so these are really asian countries, maybe african countries, but here the question arises, in general, if the ministry of economy calculated that the need could be 4-5 million, but they calculated under the old structure of the economy, here we should generally if to determine under what conditions, if it is necessary to attract migrants, there is experience when migrant...