by this amazing party, neither by the government , which we mention at all, only when the president himself mentions it, nor by the judicial system, which is also in a peculiar state in wartime conditions, the only opportunity to point out the government's mistakes, and there can be no government make no mistake, there are media , and these are also media that exist in the era of this absolutely ridiculous telethon, which in turn is such a reflection of clan infighting and oligarchic, and also do not enjoy the trust of the public, and that the authorities themselves should be interested in that journalists expressed their opinions, that they criticized those other political actions, that they pointed out to her about her some wrong steps in the conditions when we still do not have a government of national unity, i believe that sooner or later. it will be created that the ukrainian

authorities will not be able to prevent either the pressure of the ukrainian society or the pressure of our allies, on whom the survival of the state and the government itself depends, to be honest, but in the conditions of the government of national unity, there is no strong prime minister, who could realistically lead the country in conditions when this legitimacy will already be lost, and was such a support for the parliament, which will have to take over a significant part of the functions of public administration, right? so here we are the government of national unity, ukrainian journalism is it, yes, in addition to bigusinfo, as recently as this week, and yuriy nikolova too, there were threats to him and notes left on the door, but i watched this story, there are several telegram channels that are very active in all this, i don't know how even...

well, well, i was also in this situation, before they also came to my house during the maidan in 2013-14, 10 years ago, they tried to break down the door, no, no, it’s even worse than the notes to leave, they picketed my house, pasted some offensive leaflets, i was not was in kyiv then, but they held such a picket, i remember it very well, because it was also such absolute pressure on... and me, and it was of course terrible, and by the way, you know what's interesting, i also noticed then, for me too, it was such an indicator of what kind of power it is does, she doesn't have any public trust, because when i asked my colleagues there to come and at least remove all these signs that we had plastered all the surrounding doors and houses and everything, there was not a single leaflet left, so that the people who lived there for a while. with me, they

themselves ripped everything down to the last piece of paper, this is the answer to the authorities, what about nikolov, not to repeat the mistakes of the yanukovych regime, if it is you, well, it is absolutely obvious, and one more point, because it always has a rather negative effect on the reputation of the state itself, because it legitimizes any information that the journalists themselves say, a journalist can also be wrong, he can give unverified information and so on, so no no no no no saints, but when you are pressured with threats, it becomes absolutely it is clear that everything you said and will say is true. i believed that the regime of yanukovych created a certain indulgence for me for what i will say in the future, because he purely put a mark of quality on me, this is what sportnyk says, it corresponds to reality, because we wanted him compromise, kill, destroy and so on and so on, in this regard i... think that i

should be grateful to the regime that was then, well, although, although for the fact that it did not, did not have time to kill me , but our colleagues should be grateful to those who organize these sanctions for them, i think there is no greater, i would say, award for a journalist and greater activation of his opportunity than to be persecuted in the eyes of his own audience and the world in general, a politician lowers himself , even the highest. in the rest of the politicians, including the head there of any state, and a journalist rises, he has the opportunity to actually engage in a duel with such a politician who uses such actions, and destroy him, even at the cost of his own life, the prime minister of malta, during whose premiership was assassinated this well-known journalist who investigated him, well, after all. actions of the authorities, he

lost his position and the opportunity to return to his political career, leonid kuchma, actually after. for what happened to giorgiy honadzich, he was a completely different person, his reputation always remained this taint, robert fitza, he is now back in power, but he and many of his associates have effectively lost power in a situation where they believed they were absolutely without any alternative leaders after the killing of a journalist who spoke about the corrupt abuses of fitza, i i'm sure that all this will definitely come to him. this situation will not go anywhere, and i can cite a huge number of such examples, so if you want to create a trap for yourself, in which you will get into, and will not get out of here, please persecute journalists, much it will be easier for all of us to close

the castle in this trap so that you all sit there and can no longer squirm, and that is why president zelenskyi is doing absolutely right when he gives the order to investigate this, this is exactly the reaction of the head of civilized states. just one more moment, the audience can see you and me now, all our colleagues too, it is not known who is behind the telegram channels, how big a problem this is for ukrainian journalism, this anonymity and one might say, impunity, well, this is a huge problem that exists in general in today's news world, lack of news verification, what i always say is that if i see an anonymous news story that... no one can refer to, it's not news at all, the news for it should always be more than just out there, i 'm not saying that it has be a photograph, witnesses, well, as it happens in an investigative case, and an explanation, but there must be someone who takes

responsibility for this information, we usually read the news now, and this is an absolutely amazing thing from ... people , which just really do not present themselves in any way, and i believe that there is nothing wrong with the fact that these people are read, because it is like reading fairy tales, it is important, the problem is that they believe in these fairy tales, that adults, parents, grandparents believe in santa claus, that is, in principle, this can be called a sign of schizophrenia, well , that is, when you 5 years or? do you believe that santa claus will come now, bring you a gift, or saint nicholas, now, but these telegram channels are more like santa clauses than saint nicholas, i apologize, there is a grandfather to saint nicholas, and it does not smell like saints, and it does not smell like nicholas it smells, and it smells like frost,

because it is russian anonymous technology news, so that we don't say there, we just inherited it, but when you are already an adult, you should understand... that it doesn't happen like that, that there is no news that is not confirmed by anything, and when they try to do this with me to discuss, you know, the anonymous telegram channel did not write, well, it did not write, putin is in the refrigerator, patrushev is sitting on the refrigerator and eats sausage, professor valery solovei, a recent acquaintance from moscow life, at least takes the courage to present the fact of putin's death himself , this is a deed, we don't understand professor solovya in this information and we do not know in which refrigerator with which yogurts, sausages and cheeses volodymyr volodymyrovych is, i think that with no, unsanctioned, russian with russian and, do you remember, there was such a cheese with russian, yes, but at least there is professor

solovei , with whom you can talk about it, and my colleagues talk to him about it, so you can see him. on the air, it allows you to think about something, especially when professor slovii talks about this body of putin directly from moscow, that is, without leaving the refrigerator. well this is serious. i'm joking, of course, but to a certain extent you still understand it, the situation is completely different, and here we simply receive news from people who are unknown to anyone, these people seem to come to the president's office for some kind of internecine battles, and that's it. we have to talk to them , they are a source of information, not a source, there is no anonymous information, because there is some anonymous channel that is controlled, maybe from the office, and there is an anonymous channel, a pseudo-ukrainian one, i will not name them now and to treat, which

are controlled by the administration, the administration the president of russia, and absolutely false news is also being spread about what is happening in ukraine, but the number of people who can believe... these news, in principle, can be compared to the number of people who believe news from ukrainian anonymous telegram channels, i.e. in fact, you create the conditions for russian. propaganda, because if a person in principle believes in anonymous, he can believe in anonymous, which is created by your enemy, also under the guise of the ukrainian telegram channel, just another different name, and this is very dangerous, because in principle the fact itself the existence of anonymous news in the country, the very fact of its existence, which has not yet... been completed, because it is at war, is a threat to national security, national security in

the broadest sense of the word, a threat to the very existence of the ukrainian state, and i think that sooner or later later it will work, we will see what problems there are from the work of all these telegram channels, the main task of which is to write once again how wonderful this or that official is. how bad is our poroshenko conditional or someone else, and we will see what effect these russian ones will have telegram channels that are disguised as sub-ukrainian, their fault is also spreading, as you know, a fire on the steppe , and which tell which traitor is there, is president zelenskyi there, are there representatives of the ukrainian leadership, and so on, how they want to destroy ukrainians and that is why they do not agree on peace with russia, they 're already doing all this, and it's... a danger, and until we find a tool to fight, we're going to be vulnerable, and the tool

to fight is very simple to explain to people that unverified news is not news, that it's not you can believe any fairy tales, because in principle we know what happens next, people who believe anonymous unconfirmed news, then start watching them on television, like in russia, and in tiktok, and in tiktok, well, that’s it also at the same time... uh, i 'd say it's a pandora's box of news, i sometimes flip through it before breaking, you know, sometimes the news that you know about, but it's so twisted that you don't see it that way anymore, how they were, of course, but you can't remove anything in tiktok, because tiktok - this is chinese technology, and if we clearly understand that the people's republic of china aims for ukraine to lose and russia to win, which is a fact, but it will not... do it by openly delivering weapons there, but with those technologies, what she owns

, you will not do anything to china for tiktok , it is already banned in the united states, they do not allow it to be stored there on the phones of government officials and so on, this is absolutely the right approach, but again, tiktok is a genius technology, i would say degradation information space, because we used to say, remember when the first social networks appeared, i mean there was facebook , oh, what a horror, people read a few paragraphs at a time, they don't read long articles, they are just stupid, well, they are stupid, of course, we are all stupid in such a situation, but the amount of information itself began to shrink from some 5-7 minutes of youtube to 30 seconds of tiktok. 15, no more, everything is already turned upside down, well, people, which means that the people

of the people are left with a completely distorted country, a picture of reality, we, of course, we are trying to fight this on all these sites, both on the telegram site and on the site, but we must understand that we are unlikely to win in such a situation, because again, if we cannot organize a real dialogue with society, ukrainian, these technologies will win , you can ask, and i... organize it, and you need trust, if you and i can see each other, but we cannot see each other in digital broadcasting, if we choose between tiktok, telegram and telethon, i think that the telethon will lose by a landslide , we ourselves created and for the budget we receive funds from a team of losers in relation to telegram and tik tok, and if we had a variety of information on television, if... people saw that we have different media that have equal opportunities, present different

facts and have different positions, people do not need to look for anonymous news and sit exclusively on the phone, and you and i are practically alone, contrary to the wishes of state officials who are incompetent in this field, forced to do what the state should want to do, that is, again, as with drones, as with... with the help of the military, as with these machines, on what people collect money, as with these armored cars, all the things that the state should do, people do, because the state turned out to be not enough of what it suffered. a complete fiasco in connection with the understanding of the danger, two years ago they told that there would be kebabs, then we are fine, thank you, as they say, but now it is experiencing the same fiasco with real supplies to the armed forces, people have everything for themselves money to raise, and now the same with information security, this is our enthusiasm with you, replaces public policy wherever

there should be effective public policy, people they simply replace the state with themselves, it's just a monster. we exist, i can't get putin out of my head, putin is in the refrigerator, to be honest, and this week, he is worried about the fact that, well , not the one in the refrigerator, but the one outside the refrigerator, which is outside the refrigerator, i don't know which one, some for some worried putin, worried putin, what i am deporting, the possible deportation of russian citizens from latvia, which is already an honest signature... on one russian resource and a story with a person who has already been sent to russia, the head of the association of russia in latvia, it seems something there was such a thing, and the man was 75 years old, it seems, they hyped it up all day, each quote was presented separately, however,

is this russian aggression possible under the pretext of protecting the russian-speaking citizens of latvia, is another aggression possible? and this is not a russian-speaking citizen, this is a citizen of the russian federation? this is not for nothing, and the question always arises here, whether russia should insist that other countries demand that its citizens live on their territory, i do not think that this is exactly an excuse for aggression, it is just russia itself in this regard caught by the tail, because she always defended the russian-speaking. citizens of other states , usually troops were introduced, and when the majority of russian citizens were there, they were there in abkhazia or south ossetia, passports were distributed, but the situation is completely different in latvia, they gave people the opportunity to obtain latvian citizenship, to pass exams there, quite simple for knowledge of the language, for such

other things, you understand that the person who was deported has been living in latvia since 1959, huh. well, what do you think in 50 years, let it be in 40, maybe i am confused in the dates, it could be studied, slabadena, i myself can take the exam for the citizenship of the republic of latvia, you see, i need 3 days, given the certain level of the latvian language there, which i simply have from trips to latvia as a child, i do not believe that a person who lives in latvia does not can do it. to do, i don't believe, this is a position, this person just wanted to continue living the way she lives, to believe that our migs will sit down in a robe, as they like to say, these are the people, and as a result, in the post-transition period, she was forced to leave the republic of latvia , well, that's it

thing, i think that russia will simply promote this as proof that it is... a country that is surrounded by enemies, and these enemies are still tormenting and persecuting the russian-speaking population and russian citizens. you know that russia is currently developing a mandatory form of consular registration for its citizens abroad. there will be changes in the legislation, you will be obliged to be registered and report all your data. by the embassy of the russian federation in various countries, i do not know how they will ensure this, but there may be some measures of responsibility, let's say, in case you want to return, well, you will be arrested at the sheremetsia airport, relatively speaking, because you were not registered, everything is very serious there with these things, they are talking about latvia there, and i think that today i read that

they are introducing electronic passports for foreigners, there is a special form. which will be applied immediately after your arrival in russia, and you will even have a dna sample taken. is this a return to the soviet union? no, the fsb will follow the soviet union, there was no dna, this is a return, you know, in volodymyr vainovich's novel, moscow 2042, where everyone was forced to hand in, how to say, a secondary product at special points for everyone. citizen, so this is precisely the creation of such a utopia, but they are seriously interested in it. i do not see that the baltic countries are now threatened by an open intervention of the russian federation. there will be hybrid attacks, well, they do it with the help of migrants, they already did it against poland, they did it against finland, russia has a large border with latvia and estonia, we just

we don't notice it, it's real that it's so close, but i remember very well that when i lived there in moscow, and even when there was no developed air traffic there in the first post-soviet years, it was faster to get there by road than to kyiv. and it is not far from tallinn either, it is four hours to go from tallinn to st. petersburg , well, imagine this distance, and now we are not talking about trains or planes, but about tanks, they quickly reach at such distances , but i do not think that russia will go to such a conflict, but it has migrants can send to such borders, try to try some situation. let's say to promote it in narva in estonia or in dauga in pils in latvia, it is possible, but on the

other hand, i am closely following the situation in narva, there really were quite good results of pro-russian politicians in the last parliamentary elections, but still otherwise, the current leader of narva, she is a well-known politician in estonia, a person of very moderate views, are the residents of narva for her? voted, the more this conflict continues, the more people who live even in such places, it is not predominantly russian-speaking, this must be understood, but the russian ethnic population, because it is all us, we always get confused with these terms, when the russians there say that we will protect the russian-speaking population, you see that we have there was russian-speaking kharkiv and it disappeared, and because the vast majority of the population of kharkiv are ethnic ukrainians. ethnic russians live in narva, it is not the same thing, and these people are still little by little turning away from some radical

pro-russian slogans, they try to be built into the system of the republic of estonia, because they understand that there is a war on the other side of the border in ivangorod, here in narva there is a guarantee of peace and normal life, the same applies to daugavpils, if you look at the results of the local elections in daugavpils. er, i don't think it is possible to organize any real forms of destabilization of this er territory, i understand why putin wants to do it, putin is not inventing anything new at all, putin is just taking what was created before him, er, kgb, and is trying to translate it into real life, here were in the last years of the soviet union, when interfronts appeared in the baltic countries, there were interfronts there. interfronts of ethnic russians, they became members of parliaments, that is, they tried to really be

on the political field with popular fronts, in riga, in narva there were these organizations everywhere, their leaders were people's deputies of the soviet union, and deputies of the verkhovna rada of their republics, they were elected by the people, it's true, but just for this time. people are already convinced of the difference between european riga and soviet riga, it's simple, they see it putin doesn't understand this, but i'll just tell you, when i was, soviet riga was a city that was all black, the color was black, and i was somehow like a child, for some reason i thought that this should be a beautiful, black gothic place , and then i once came to riga already in this, i would say mature age, when the rigas returned to them ee... the house these colors that were before the occupation, and it turned out that riga is a colorful city in general, it is absolutely, what is it at all another city, i think, god, how i was deceived after all, it was not supposed to be

black, so are the people, a person who lives in riga remembers that it was a black city, but now he is not black, he does not want to live in a black city, no one wants to live in a black city, and this is the answer to all russian attempts at internal destabilization, in fact yes, and if we are already talking about destabilization and a possible attack, then nato is now practicing this probable attack on russia on possible western nato countries, and have collected almost a record number, will collect almost a record number military, 90,000 soldiers, which the signal nato wants to send to putin, and this is very correct, it should show that the north atlantic alliance is not going to relax, and that it. there are enough military capabilities to take russia to its head, even with conventional weapons, even if we say that we can have a conflict without

the use of nuclear weapons. that the nato army is much stronger and more effective than the army of the russian federation, i tell you honestly, dimo, this is what we should have done before the war. i wanted to say, already at the beginning of the war, that nato should have already shown it, we should have done it, our army should have done it before the war, our state should have done it before the war, not seek any agreements with moscow, here we will come to an agreement, here we will open it here, open the transition here, improve it. people's lives, here we will start the bus so that it reaches the point on the administrative border, no, we needed to buy more weapons, we needed to convince, we needed to go there, that we needed this and that, we needed to concentrate troops near the line of contact and near all our borders with russia federation, in order for russia to see that we are ready to defend ourselves and that we, in principle, perceive relations with it as a constant military danger, in principle, after

2000, we had to make this statement clear and after 2019, continue this line, i assure you that this there was the only possibility in relations with such a country as the russian federation, to prevent a war, that's all that had to be done, and nato simply wants to do this by and large, if you are dealing with an authoritarian country, then you have to act according to a simple formula : if you want peace, you have it all the time preparing for war. and this, by the way, is our future, as well as the future of a nato country, as long as russia remains as it is, as long as it is an aggressive state that believes that everything can be solved by force. don't even doubt that there are no other recipes for interaction with the russian federation, except for strengthening one's own military potential, by the way, that's why the cold war was cold, because the west was always ready to accept the challenge of the arms race. your

missiles in europe, do you remember how many there were then, and now it is also echoing hysteria, that is pershings in germany, we don't need them, russia paid the soviet union money for this peace movement, they all went out to demonstrations, shouted: "god, you are putting us at such a risk, in fact, this was what was the signal to the soviet leaders, as soon as come forward, cruise missiles will immediately fly in the direction of moscow" and... you will not gather your bones, we will simply destroy everything if you want to destroy something from us, and it is from this understanding of the soviet leadership that the west can respond adequately, and the idea of ​​a peaceful coexistence of states with different social order, and if the west had not been ready to resist, then such an idea would never have arisen, and there would have been a war, and now such an idea is possible, if nato shows,

of course, the stronger. there will be a wave, especially from president putin and the president of the people's republic of china comrade xijianping, there will be a desire to create a model of peaceful coexistence and competition between countries with different ideas about how the world will look like, the only proof for all these people and for all these countries is exclusively the fact that they understand that they can perish themselves, therefore that no matter how much they told that they would all go to heaven, they would not check it, no, i tell you for sure, they love life and money too much to know whether they will lead to heaven or to hell. in fact, yes, and, but let them check. thank you, mr. vitaly, for this thorough and interesting analysis. dmytro dydorom, vitaly portnikov, at the saturday political club. stay with espress, there are many more interesting things to come, the news service has prepared a news release for you, stay, subscribe to our social networks and

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