our program continues and will continue until 8:00 p.m., and now, as i promised, mr. vadym chernysh, head of the center for security studies, minister of ukraine for temporarily occupied territories of internally displaced persons aged 16 to 19, thank you, mr. vadym, for finding for it's time for us on sunday, and i'll have a thank you for inviting me, i 'll have a long rambling question, and i don't know what the answer will be, so the question is... well , we understand, we know the word conjunction fog of war, when everyone everyone is lying and no one understands anything, but that is, are we and we and in the future, we will be able to know the truth if we are not involved in any special services, why am i asking this, because when you listen to ukrainian experts, bloggers, and activists, they say, oh , there were no drones, the russians are full of drones, they are pressuring us badly, terribly, what to do ? then

you start listening to the russians , the same experts, the same bloggers, who say, well , let's screw up, the ukrainians have enough of everything, they simply have five times more uavs, and we have nothing to shoot down, it's unknown, so who, who , who, what is going on, can we know at least close to reality , i’m sorry, reality, well, it’s very difficult, you’re right that you drew attention to... for attention, but what should we pay attention to here, what should we aim at, so to speak, well, in some areas of the front, we can the situation may differ, that is, in some areas we can prevail , where there are, for example, units such as the magyar birds, which are considered there, well, to be honest, they are already considered legendary, the russians are already afraid of them, but they recently conducted an operation the destruction, so to speak... of one of the most skilled

moses of the so-called, the most skilled pilots or drone leaders of the russians, that is, you know, it's something like the guy from the movie, you remember the sniper in stalingrad and they called the best other sniper there to kill that sniper, so to speak, it's just me now , to explain, but in general, if you look at the volumes of production, they are not available to us, but by indirect signs you can see... you can see approximately the components that come to russia from china and the volume of purchases of those that come to ukraine, although the path to ukraine is more difficult through most intermediaries, and there russia prevails over us in purchases, because they are carried out centrally there, this is about fpv drones, drones and those drones that are engaged in skinning, but are converted, those drones that are produced by russia on its own , well... an example of lancets, which are very

annoying, of course, it is very difficult to tell statistics about them, but the installation of so-called grills, nets, that's all that ukraine does, well, ukrainian soldiers, it means that we really well, we feel this threat, moreover, it is worth, well, let's say so, to pay attention. also on the quality of these drones , it is constantly, let's say, improved, and this cannot help but worry us, what did the russians do, they saw, they took some there before that there, or an israeli model, or an iranian one sample, although it is also made on either israeli or american grandfathers, and of course since then they have been trying to improve them, and we recently received information through, i understand, intelligence channels.

design, let's say, drawings and all information about russian drones, i think they will be studied, and in our country we will also compete with something, where they could slightly catch up with us somewhere or even slightly prevail, so i think that our general industry produces less of them, well, it means through procurement, if you track, less and given that we have more people trained, much more than the drones that they can use, that's what. indicates a certain shortage, although the russians also have non-priority ones in some areas of the front, but oh well in general, i have already covered the situation, in terms of components, you can say roughly, although of course it is very difficult. mr. vadim, you see, when i listen to russian émigré economists and financiers, they say that the 24th year, that is, this year is, well, how to say, there will already be signs on everyone... in azimuths and in purchases and

there well, i was struck by this the day before yesterday, i read that the last euros were thrown on the market to stabilize the ruble. that is , there are no euros in the reserves, russia has gold and there are yuan and rupees, rupees, yes, but somehow they are not so easy with them there either, yes, and if there is gold on the one hand, and on the other hand sanctions have been imposed on gold, that is, there is not so much of it there either, it is not known where to sell it and and and who will buy, that is, when we look, we will combine the economy and finance in our heads. and the military-industrial complex, but i don’t see why they can continue purchases, production and so on and so forth and the like, that is, if you listen to economists and financiers, they

they say it's not there, it's not there, it's not there, it's not there, and there's still there, but it's not going to be there, and they say, for example, that you'll say that russian cartridges and shells... ca n't to produce, that is, the most simple , so to speak, objects, cannons from some cannons, from which those projectiles will be fired, there is no possibility to produce them, because the technology is all swiss, german, japanese, there are also some and just barrels, barrels cannot be made, from which that projectile flies out, which means sooner or later, and they say that it is early, that is, this year it is all will end this analysis to you, how do you feel about it? very carefully why? for example, the experience of the country of iran and the korean people's country, the so-called people's country, although it is not a people's and a democratic republic, suggests that sanctions can be circumvented, of course, this

does not apply to such serious volumes that russia needs, but electronics, there are means there, dual purpose, there optics and so on, it can ... supply to russia, bypassing sanctions, using roughly the same mechanisms used by iran and the north korea, and by the way, the first visits after the start of the war, large-scale russians were just for exchange, well, very cool delegations, well , i mean, in terms of volume, they went to iran and korea and they took over the examination of sanctions evasion, this is the first, second, second story, in these two years of full-scale war, we see an increase in production. and supplies of machine tools that produce the so-called means of production, usually high-precision, if they are russian with swiss elements, even german machines, even korean with south korean machines and even japanese

machines were imported to russia according to the world trade organization and some portals, so they have some possibility, it is not research, and these imports went through countries. central asia and through some of the caucasian countries, well was being processed, and also through some of the countries of asia, such as vietnam, for example, now, in terms of shells and cartridges, gunpowder, that's a key story, if you 're going to have a blank there, and you're not going to have gunpowder, and cellulose is supplied for the gunpowder, and the main suppliers are the suppliers of this kazakhstan, uzbekistan, where cellulose is produced with chemicals, with nitric acid, there are russian owners, that is, gunpowder. at the same time, there is not enough in the west, therefore the main trend is to limit the supply in russia, at the same time to buy up the entire volume, because these countries are, well, motivated, there is pressure on the factories of producers, pressure on the producers there , that is, it is possible in these chains, in those

supply chains, to single out critical things on which to impose sanctions and lure flows, because their shortage in the world is on those producers, what do we need, by the way, the chinese... chinese production, they now have a double game, they supply us through a network of intermediaries, not directly and to the russians, then many will do so, so switch these flows not only with restrictions, but also it is possible due to commercial interest, but the situation is really difficult for the russians, and to say that everything is bad here, everything is great in russia, is to fool yourself, again, that is, you cannot fool both in the minus and in the plus, to say that they have cool, everything is also wrong, but to say that they will already fall there. soon they rot, then this is also wrong, so the objectivity council must work with special services, intelligence services and provide information not just about putin's ears and about cancer or about kadyrov's kidneys, but we must provide real information about the state of affairs in russia, so that we and our partners were on the same wavelength, because our

partners also say one thing, and sometimes we tell completely different things, and it is not known, even at the last international meetings they reported assessments that do not quite correspond to the assessments of... partners, so they look at us a little sometimes it's strange. what as for sanctions, they say that sanctions must be implemented, and not only implemented, criminal cases must be filed against orban's ones. who has business with rosatom, this is the most difficult situation, as soon as criminal cases start in some countries for working for working with the russians, then these half-grey schemes stop there, well, let's say, they decrease significantly, and of course we see now pressure on turkey from the american government, which also organized a huge delegation to turkey recently in order to limit the supply of high-tech and other goods critically needed by russia, and of course... to block the traditional sources of russia's exports, like today they blocked the entire gas terminal, they

should not sell grain, restrict the same, and the like, that's why, if by what and well, the tighter they clamp down, the less euros , currencies, and so on, and the last gold, it's not like how they carry gold , it's very difficult to calculate, it's large in volume, not everyone accepts it, it's easy to sell. . to thank and the like, that's why there yes, diamonds and diamonds are allowed in, they are small in size, they are usually supported by mercenaries in africa, well, the circulation of diamonds and other precious stones, what is small in weight and, sorry, does not work for metal detectors, so of course there are sanctions and persecution this russian diamond industry is also very important. because it's just that ukraine has no leadership here, unfortunately, it is not the second, not even the fifth number here, we

are studying urine, excuse kadyrov's words, but we are not studying the ways of supply, and all the time, if minister kuleba says , we hope for your reports, they are so cool here, give us information, that's what he said in davos, but no, you should lead this process, you should proactively lead, and not impose sanctions after the americans, that's how things are with us now, mr. mykola. now i want to urge you to look 5-10 years ahead, i was very impressed by this, yesterday, the day before yesterday, the british did a test, i spoke about it yesterday in my programs, i spoke in my program, and i remembered a beautiful work called the hyperboloid engineer garin, ugh, they launched something , they made some there, some such thing that knocks down the whole world that flies there, and the most interesting thing that struck me - one knocking down of a rocket does not matter, it can cost

2 pounds, or can 2 million pounds, maybe 200 million pounds, and this same beam costs 10 pounds, not millions, but 10 pounds, one zero, which is very cheap and very, if effective, terrible, terrible efficiency, so the question arises, so in 5-10 years, where will russia be? and where will the world be, because when i read about what america invents , britain invents, europe invents, japan invents , then i understand that it is a chasm, it is not just that they are a little better there, we are a little worse, but simply, i don't know, we are already europe and america they are already shooting bullets, and the russians are still shooting arrows, that's about the difference, am i wrong or is it true? you are wrong, it is greatly influenced by culture, strategic culture, that is, what wars we see ahead:

the strategic culture of the united states of europe involves predicting the nature of future wars and the corresponding development of technologies, as countries, not only industrial, but also countries with a developed, let's say, information environment, information, where information and advanced ideas are exchanged. one of the important indicators is the so-called. that is, there is science and development, and the main thing is that in recent decades, the americans and europeans did not invest enough in this field, because it was believed that there is complete pacifism in the world, that we should cut expenses , the stockholm peace institute, sipri kept saying that in the world needs to reduce and receive dividends from peace, i.e. less on armaments, more on development, and such and such parades... in the strategic culture of europe and the united states it existed, now it is changing, but

not as quickly as we would like, we see it is different in germany, i.e. now technologies that are already advanced, including the laser and others, which were mostly considered as technologies of the civil sphere, will be developed in the defense sphere, and therefore the investments are now made, they are not fast, but because these investments will last 3-5 years a big advantage, just the volume of investment should be... it is not less than 2%, as defined by nato countries, in the best cases up to 4-5%, if it is jointly invested in dual purpose and military purpose. russia will really be there with spears in large numbers, the british and others will be with lasers, with hyperboloids and with other technological i am very sure, vadym chernysh, the head of the sens security research center and the minister of ukraine for temporarily occupied territories of internally displaced persons was with us in touch, yes it is accepted, i try so hard

to add a little optimism sometimes, you know, now in israel to the middle east, vadym polishchuk and... a historian and political observer from israel and now i hope to appear before our bright eyes. good health, mr. vadim, we have two vadims, so who didn't have time to play the wish, there was vadim and now vadim, so keep in mind that you can still make time, we have 15 minutes of air time, so that we, the wish dream, i think, all jews and ukrainians dream of one desire to defeat the enemy as quickly as possible and with less losses for himself. that this is today a shared common goal. look, mr. vadim , i have a question for you, that is, the rumors about the weakness of israeli political institutions are greatly exaggerated, because when during the war in israel there are huge rallies for

the resignation of netanyahu, i will tell you, we are here in ukraine, in we have a constant debate about whether it is worth criticizing... we are criticized anyway, i am not saying that this is such a discussion without consequences, whether we can afford to criticize zelensky as the supreme commander during the war, during the acute phase of the war, and we see that in israel it is possible to criticize and even take to the streets with slogans, out with netanyahu, with netanyahu out of office, that is, this means the very great power of israeli institutions, well here... it is difficult to clearly assess this kind of political activity, well , first of all, we have to to point out that throughout its existence israel was in fact in a state of, let's say, a war that lasted constantly, but faded a little, then flared up again, and in principle all

israeli institutions, they exist in such a state, that's why you know, that's how happened because of... ove the aggravation, let it be very powerful , it is an aggravation, but still political activity did not stop, well, probably in a certain way it softened a little, especially in the first stage of the war, and then those forces that for the last more than a year and even before let's say, when netanyahu was prime minister last time, and when he became prime minister again, they constantly... persistently spoke against him, and they took such a slogan on their flags, well, leh, that is, away , and now they are dealing with it and now they are using this situation with by the families of the hostages for their political purposes, and those relatives may not be very happy that

these protesters of ours have joined them, but what can they do, they are using it, as far as it is in favor of israel and the cause of the hostages itself , as far as i'm concerned, it only hurts because the price of the issue is constantly increasing, and these protestors are very lively quoted in all arab circles, look, israelis are ready to agree to any conditions, to stop everything, to release everyone, to exchange everyone , ultimately israel it turns out... a little aside, what does israel need, who, well, not a surname, who does israel need, because look, and from what i read, and what you say, it means, on the one hand, very they don't like, at least the people i hear, leftists, and leftists, they're bad, they're like that, they're like that, they're mean, well, mr.

netanyahu, he's definitely not left-wing, he's definitely right-wing, and... now the government is like this quite extreme right, and and and and the same people say, and and otlita, leftists are bad, and and netanyahu, bad, hello, what do you need then, give, draw me a conditional the prime minister, who, who the jewish state needs, well, we must remember that israel, it is such a fragmented society, it is so little so tribal, you see, and the only figure who was... was totally worth everyone, well it's hard to remember that such a person even existed, still there remains, at least a third of the population there, who are very dissatisfied with this, and... it's normal for me, but regarding the right and the left in israel, well, it's like in ukraine at one time, the right was considered more pro-ukrainian, leftist, more pro-russian, here in principle with

from an economic point of view, the entire spectrum is economic, it has such a bias to the left , and to say that there were such people here, you know, conservatives, well, there are very few such people, and more right-wing people are called those who believe that... with this problem with the arabs, it is necessary to somehow decide more, well, not through some concessions, but rather in such a forceful way and in which, according to the israeli right, the arabs understand more the power of their cultural and historical, let's say, level, and in this way they are divided into right and left, for example, religious parties, who are in the coalition now netinyagu, they are for... from an economic point of view , they are quite left-wing, because there they protect the interests of people who are not very rich, who need some kind of social support, but

when it comes to the solution of the arab-israeli conflict, they are considered to be in israel is right, and we were just showing the last footage, these are exactly those who are in favor of the war, this is how they are, these are those who are in favor of the war and, accordingly, as i understand it, for netanyahu, for the tough ones. and such people, i have a tricky question for you, mr. vadim, absolutely not about israel and about palestinian autonomy and about hamas, maybe we'll come back later, but what has puzzled me enough, i 'm sure the israeli press is writing about it, the experts are talking about it, i mean this sporadic, sporadic shooting between iran and pakistan, because iran for you it's like this... always, no matter what jerusalem does, officially, it always looks, and what's going on in iran, and when iran is probably shooting at pakistan, pakistan at iran, then

you must be glad to hear it there, and you explore and wonder and find out, then tell us what happened between iran and pakistan, that they suddenly started shooting at each other. it should be noted that israel's special interest in iran has yet to go. that in fact israel is in a state of war with iran, which iran once declared when these bearded men came to power, those in chelmah, and they immediately, as soon as ayatollah khamenei arrived in tehran, he immediately declared war on israel, so here you know, as ukraine is now not interested in russia, it would be very strange, in the same way israel is interested in iran, and in fact all these hizballah, the houthis. leave, hamas, these militias of iraq and syria, they are all just like that, you know, the fingers of that iran, with which it fights, fearing

direct intervention, because it understands that it will receive such an answer that it may like very much, and why does it not give such an answer and the west, well the west and israel, and america in the first place, well here we see, at one time the obama administration started this process. the process of appeasement of this iranian regime, somehow they are softer, well, they played the same with russia, looked them in the eye, and thus iran gained such power military, and now he is trying to implement it, why is pakistan, which is a nuclear state, a very powerful state, such a suicidal document, well, it can be explained, it may be some kind of games with... first of all, because here with pakistan there is such a knot, that china is very interested in transit through pakistan, and it is possible that somehow they

are communicating with each other, because everyone basically says that iran is the axis of evil with china, with russia, with north korea, but you know, this frogman is not excluded , that is, some showdowns between them are also possible, and what they are they are signaling to each other there , look like this... we promised us something there and didn't give it, now we will make your transit there through pakistan more difficult, you know, such as were considered appropriate when they killed this tatar, that these are some, well, signals they were beautiful, until the ukrainian special services took responsibility for this murder, the same is true here, maybe some information slipped in, well, for everyone, for everyone it is really strange. well, this is such a district, there is already iranian baluchistan, there is pakistani baluchistan, there is afghan baluchistan, there is such a thing, that is, everyone has their beluch

separatists. who drink the blood of their neighbors, and the neighboring baluchs drink blood, presumably from the pakistanis, okay, to israel, mr. vadim, back, what is the situation in the gaza strip, how bad would it be, is the end of such a super active part of the anti-hamas operation nearing or or not, because we already see that the israelis are walking there. the troops in the dungeons on this subway are talking, look left, right, here are all the conversations, how come there are already tanks standing north and south, everything is fine, and what's next, well further, we understand that there will be control of the israeli army over this sector, but when this acute phase can come to an end, so i would ask, well, some experts believe that about a month and a half of such an acute phase

is possible. all this depends on how successful will be the capture of this philadelphia corridor, the so-called border between the gas sector and egypt, through which supplies, including smuggling through tunnels, of these ammunitions take place, maybe some kind of reinforcement will come, this will be a very important phase , what is this the encirclement circle will close and make it very difficult with this remnant of hamas, which operates in this territory in... and also there, in fact , the last city is more or less large in gas, into which the israeli military has not yet entered almost, where there is just a very large amount of this of the local population, where the remnants of hamas are hiding, where certain bases are still preserved, and the capture of these will be very difficult due to the large number

of civilians. and it will also be, say, the last such drop of an active military operation, as long as it will last and the military-police phase, when there will be a clean-up, these tunnels will still be found, some hiding places will be calculated among the civilian population and hamas, because it is very difficult to distinguish them, and very often there is no difference, because there each of these residents is somehow somehow connected with that hamas so that there... the last question is important, you just touched on it, i wanted you to tell me, this philadelphia corridor, that is, this is the border with egypt, in fact , this is all smuggling, all these weapons i was walking along this very corridor, and i really don't like egypt talks about closing the philadelphia corridor, will israel not quarrel with egypt with its military actions and attempts

to block this philadelphia corridor, then... that is, the actual corridor between the gas sector and the egyptian state, i don't think egypt will be against it, because of that that he is constantly afraid that through that corridor these so-called refugees from gaza will get to him, what are they, who are dangerous for egypt itself, which only at one time got rid of these muslim brothers of its, but in fact hamas and this population that supports it, they... are those muslim brothers and egypt does not need them at all, if israel just closes the corridor and does not allow that population to leave, even though it would very much like to, then egypt will be satisfied, they will not be satisfied only the egyptian border guards, who profited from the existence of this smuggling, well, they may have some dissatisfaction there, thank you very much, vadym polishchuk, historian, political observer from

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