he is a publicist, our colleague, journalist, ostab drozdov, in which we say, with the new year , christ is born, and we congratulate him, how are you doing in general with all that they say, well, everyone is rallying, everyone is holding strong, they don't say too much, it's not the time, but ostap bereevich time speaks, no, he's not obedient, no, i'm just not, no, the novel, i 've become wiser, i'm already... myself, well, it started with the war, but i'm very i often bite my tongue, and even if i don't show it now, spit it out, but it's all over bitten, because i honestly always think more than i can say, and it's such an internal self-censorship, it's not from fear or some kind of caution, it's just from the beast of what you asked, from the beast, is it somehow will be consonant with some... such

a moment is the same common war for everyone, but consonant with whom, but to include such self-censorship, to bite one's tongue - it means to be with someone, well, it is rather with a conscious part, because consonant, with the unconscious , in principle, we are not judged, and they are for me are completely written off. even lost people, these people who do not understand the historicity of the moment , do not understand the challenges at all, continue to like to stay in their kingdom of crooked mirrors and so on, i have never been in agreement with them in principle, but it is rather like this, well, i don’t know , this is really an animal, this is some kind of desire not to harm at a time when many things have not yet been fully reflected by people, but... for everything, as they say, if its

time, its natural time, well, but this doesn't free us people, well, humanitarian plan, intellectual, does not free us from that terrible, even curse, to be a little ahead of time, to guess something in advance somewhere, and about it somehow so softly, delicately, so as not to injure anyone with a scalpel, so to start a little bit somewhere. thoughts for discussion ostap, look, i had a conversation with several people who, feeling the challenge of the times, talked about diametrically opposite things, one of me says that we must make a government of national unity, a coalition, the other shouts no coalition, no national unity , this there should be an anti-crisis, professional, non-political government, well, a wartime government, and that's it ... one and the other belong to the circle, as

you call them unconscious, and well, how to choose here, but i know that this topic it vibrates in you too, i saw it on your youtube channel, subscribe to ostap’s channel too, but what to do with it, well , i think there is a third option, and there won’t be any government if we have sleaze around, i i will get to the government, but here i explain it to myself with such a logical trap. there is such a thing in logic the concept is called antinomy, well, it’s such a classic academic word, antinomy is when everyone is right, when any of the statements is right, those are right, those are right, those are right, it just depends on which optics to choose side to look, here we are trapped, in the trap of this antinomy, when , if you think about it, then everyone is right, if you choose the right argumentation, and in principle this...

corresponds to that kind of relative time, when everything is quite relative, when you can on any there on anything look under from any point of view and find some arguments there and there and so on, actually here we went there and here we will not get out of it, because the same nature is the same, and we still think quite black and white, because the war - this is still a black and white reality, everything here is extremely concentrated. i’m actually explaining this, i’m not afraid of it, it seems to me that it will be very scary for me to find myself in a country of absolute like-minded people, well, i ’m never in danger, and you’re probably never in danger either, but ukrainians are never in danger either, ostapo , this is never in danger ukrainians, i don't remember any period of ukraine's history, but i seem to be interested in it, so that i can speak like-minded people.

i would like to, but there are such cases where the people are like-minded, and these are the worst cases, these are totalitarian cases, i am just very afraid of one day ending up in such a ghetto barrack, that simple. gifted like-minded people, so when i look at all these shits, as they say, i always say, i 'm just happy, well, take it too well, i 'm not mad that shits, but i on the other hand, i'm glad that there's still this we still have such a spirit of pluralism, a spirit of diversity of opinions there is, because this threat to tsarism, absolutism , this, you know, one-sided movement, where it is necessary only like this, a step to the left, a step to the right, execution, it seems to me, would be a very... bad reflection of russia, russianness, where just this one-sided the movement does exist, so i guess that's still a plus. okay , but let's finish with the government, that is, israel is attacked by collective hamas, that's how we

understand collective, because we know who was behind them, as the lebanese, iranians and muscovites would say, in this case they very quickly, they even returned from abroad in order to quickly repel another attack. and the war , and ukrainians are divided into two categories: the minority who fight and support the front, work for it in one way or another, and the majority who reflect on this war in a telegram or abroad, that's all, ugh, well, i i also use these comparisons with israel, you can learn from them, but this is not a completely correct kind of scaling, because actually? by nature, because the proportions are completely different, it is not a big israel and a small hamas, but it's the other way around, that's why everything

unfolds completely here, plus we still have this moment added, well, let's put it this way, i don't give quality ratings. to us or to society , but let's say this, a very bad nation entered the war, which in the center of europe for 30 years nevertheless managed, managed to reach a global continental war, instead of devoting a third of the century to security guarantees, to nato, on the european union, on reforms, on welfare and everything that we see. ostap, look how you reflected, because to me it looked like an example of schizophrenia, me i mean, when suddenly on chornovol's birthday, suddenly the same people who once

did not vote for him, but kissed the communist bitch kravchuk, suddenly said, oh, we would... now they voted for him 100% . these are the same people who, as you said, screwed up, screwed up for a quarter of a century. well, yes, actually, and these are the same people, and they are still alive, because we have 12 million people, 10 years ago, well, 13 years ago, they voted for the twice-convicted zeke, and these people are not dead yet, they are still alive , it is not, it's not even schizophrenia, it's mimicry , it's... such mimicry, when this type, this breed of jelly, these dregs, these, these civil snots, without identity, without a rod, without contours, this amoeba, it just acquired forms of stronger matter , the stronger ukrainian became, and

they went to it, if tomorrow little russian becomes stronger again, as it was in the 19th year, 20th, they will go under this form, it is silicone that hardens. under a harder matter, that is why this is actually the solution to this, well, such a conversion, of neophytes, of this insight, people who have never been anyone, they became ukrainian or pro-ukrainian due to the fact that this ukrainian, pro-ukrainian at that time was mainstream, ultimate and solid, and in fact, to remain so in the future, it is ukrainian and must remain solid , because as soon as it starts to... let go, this silicone , all this, as i call it, slurry, it's just physics, it will spread further, it will spread further into these nozzles, and it will be necessary to collect them again in a pile, that's actually the solution to the ukrainian victory within society, to be

firmer, firmer, well, many people in our country willingly fool themselves that such a large number of people were reeducated, at the beginning of the invasion one of my colleagues, who had already managed to fight and... he told me that, er , well, this formula, everyone who gets hit by a moscow rocket, everyone who gets his hometown shelled by shells over there, uh,... i understand that too, but i also apply such surgery, because i can add more to this collection of such absurd pictures the third picture, when they wrote to me, when these shellings started and it was the east terrible things that are happening there, and at the same time a person wrote that she is now sitting in some basement of a city under fire. and here she is listening to the new clip of b2, such a cool

clip, so so so, such good lyrics and such music, but actually speaking, this is the answer, this is such a stockholm syndrome, and it means that in principle people, if they already have finished identity, this post-genocide post-traumatic society in our country is already finished, therefore it will disappear, it is not capable. no matter how it changes, it can only adjust, so it adjusts, if you move it a little somewhere somewhere and move it somewhere, but internally, it is not able to work through such a deep psychotherapy with itself, with its injuries, and this stockholm syndrome, it is still the diagnosis of a large part of our non- compatriots, i call them compatriots , when i sent you to that motya about... actually this is from the backstage, it is 1929, well, 100 years ago, where aunt motya

said, it is better to fight with what is ukrainized, and this position that it is better to beat raped, what how ukrainianized, it still remains with such a psychological anchor, because after all, you understand, the enemy worked very hard on that new artificial identity, creole, kurt, well, it was not in vain that they took away the memory of 100 years, well, it was not in vain that they took away the native faith for 100 years, the native language , native nationality, was taken away for 100 years , it gives its sprouts, and actually speaking , it is also necessary to work with it therapeutically, that is , it is not an instant effect, and i apologize, the war will not give an instant effect here, it can only be a trigger that you can cling to , let's quickly go over certain ones the steps of the cringe-like schizophrenia, but i, well... about self-reflection and long therapeutic work of some kind on creoles, this, well, this is

for many years after the war, yes, but well, the ability of those who were not born in a scoop, and well, that is they were not born, in the ussr, capable of making this leap, a hundred bets were placed on it, it turns out that on the contrary, there is a big, big gap here, because... well , nothing, nothing is known, remembered and does not want to know, that is, the approach is completely bolshevik, nothing happened to us, but with this, yes, yes, this gap that you are talking about you say and very rightly, it has, as it were, two components, firstly, the state of ukraine has never worked at the level of state policy for the ukrainian citizen. "she worked from the moment of her announcement for the post-soviet people, or i don't even

say post, but just the soviet people, imagine that we don't have the soviet union for 30 years, but there are soviet people, and this is a paradox, it 's actually a question of succession, you ask why the generation, which was already born outside the union, in independent ukraine, continues to be partially still bitten by that old, past red 20 centuries, because inheritance worked , it is not necessary to be the bearer of some era, it is enough to inherit it from one's parents, first of all, from one's grandfathers, first of all, and this family inheritance of the soviet, for a soviet person, it also works on for that generation that was not born in the soviet union, that's why this gap, it seems to have been eliminated then. when in place of this soviet union, which nevertheless generated very

strong such ideologues for that generation, and it got into the brains, well, people's brains were screwed up for 100 years go ahead and for god's sake, this is being knocked out by a national state, all the baltic countries, all the countries of the red social camp, all of ours did it, they knocked that fool out of their heads with a national state, and it should be. our tragedy lies precisely in the fact that, close to the revolution of dignity, i would even say so, we did not have this nationally oriented state, there was nothing to beat. soviet nonsense, it was replaced by post-soviet, and it will always be russian, because soviet and post-soviet are equal, it is a synonym of russian, but we have an explanation, look where are we now, you and i have now reached a common denominator, that the scoop is a sexually transmitted disease and does not

necessarily have to be born in the ussr, the second point is that it is treated only when... appears a national state within a state, we had a soviet state, not a ukrainian state, but now we have reached the point of bifurcation, since the first stage, after a full-scale invasion, was based on volunteers and citizens who deliberately went to war, then we, according to the results of the war we get an even greater disproportion between citizens and the government, there will be even more of them, so can you imagine what kind of elections there will be sometime after the war? well, this is a terrible fatal topic, i am not a physicist, i cannot say so casually whether this is a point of bifurcation, that is , some kind of point of no return, but i really see two parallel processes, something very good is being built up in parallel, something that has been dormant for 30

years, what appeared with the war is what causes, well, just even. the emotions of ukrainian citizens who, well, who at the sight of the flag, at the sight of what, you know, feel that something in the soul turns over, the value , and this second extreme, this slurry, develops just as rapidly, these are two parallel processes, they do not contradict each other, it’s just that both and that become more and more, it is resolved, and there is the tragic arithmetic of war, yes, yes, it does not affect growth. of these two extremes, so these are two parallel processes that can be solved only if in a political way, then when one of them wins, this second extreme has always won in our elections since 1991, supply man, later what a difference, well, at first it was generally

a pro-russian man, because, sorry, we had until 2014, think about it, you were in the parliament. a huge faction of communists, well, we remember that, well, later it was changed to such a tuned, light, but still unwieldy, such a liberalized cotton wool, like what a difference, but the exponents of this extreme have always been in power, we have six presidents , i’m sorry, i don’t give an assessment, because someone might be offended by it, but we didn’t have , in principle, a single one who reached from... that first extreme, that civil-ukrainian, there was always an amendment for some kind of tolerance towards a sovka person, somehow it was necessary for her, well , tyutinky, well, pusenky, well, syusenky, well, well, well, this was hustling through the media, through narratives, these old ancestral traumas were served scoop, and actually speaking, now the issue of elections, i don't think about them now, i

'm being honest, because you also understand it, martial law, what kind of elections are there, but in principle. in the future, time x will come precisely for the first extreme to win at the political level, this first brightness, and here the question will it be able to win politically, if it can't, then sorry for the words, it will sound bitter and i hate to say it, but a lot of it will be useless, but if it can, then that's another conversation, but i think it will be a conversation on... yes, but it must also be prepared, because it seems that there is a chance to survive the war, but to survive the victory, yes, it is not yet known what the chances are, there are still two steps, we still will not make it all one to our conversation ostapevphada, but there are two more steps, you just talked about this paradigm of two growths and about these processes, which are still

difficult to calculate with arithmetic, but look at the situation today... but here, as they say, from piedmont they launched the same russian world, sometimes in the ukrainian language, just like all the rest of the crap, which was at 112. as of today, you can take care of yourself, but those who chased, destroyed and did all the pro-russian stuff, the same natashcha,

natasha 50,000 and all the others, they are mad out of fat, they are paid large sums of money from of the state budget, they are running single marathons, and you manage on your own, like me i didn't understand something in the state, in the state of war, then you are an enemy element, survive on your own, and this is necessary for the state aunts. well, for me it’s a tragic story in general, because i felt the collapse of an entire profession, i’m watching it, and it’s precisely because of this uramarathonism, because of this shoe-changing, because this breed of people, why is it so in demand, these are mega-professional suckers, they are used to serving, this is a media service , they are media waiters with big zeros in the check, which is why they are in such high demand, because the authorities do not need them. citizen journalism is needed servile, and that's why there is such a demand for them, well, because you won't run and lick the president's office there, and i won't, and others who

respect themselves won't, but there is a certain layer of professionals who, in terms of licking, are just like that painters, virtuosos and almost geniuses, which is precisely what is in the greatest demand, this is media training, when you are very dedicated. you serve and so devotedly that you literally crawl, i don’t know, crawl from ten skins, that’s why it is in demand, because the government itself needs service, and it controlled itself completely the entire media space, and this can be done by the hands and mouths of proven servants, maids, that's exactly why there is a phenomenon of this adaptability, these people, they never tie the laces, because in... they live with white lace-up sneakers . strictly speaking, this is their competitive advantage over a citizen journalist,

over a thinking person, over a person who goes into difficult topics in difficult ones, over a person who gives a little wider context, a historical background with a mental theme, and not just something happened today, and the announcer is a beautiful woman. make-up, beautiful , like that, it’s desirable to have a baritone, i’d like to have such a light baritone-like baritone, and yes, and everyone is fine, that’s why this format of a spoiled profession, i’m now watching, like, well, it’s this tragic spectacle, but it seems to me, here that is precisely where there are the greatest chances, people are very clear to themselves, clearly at once, but conscious, i mean. they will clearly build these bridges for themselves and leave the service journalism on the other side and still

appreciate it, i also feel this a little different journalism already of a more intellectual plan of a broader one, and i actually hope that we are here , well, i do not hope, i state that we have almost run out of time, but the last step that i have planned today for us to pass is our ukrainian schizo. who knows, but the last step in my mind just looks like this, if you just look carefully at this perfect storm and the historical moment in which we are, we have paradoxes in front of our eyes, realistically, for example, against the background of the war, we are led to the european union by anti-european . an anti-maidan party from the maidan, which demanded european integration, we are being led into nato by a team

that has always been this pushover, that has always believed in the ideology, nato boots, and so on , we have fallen into a phenomenal situation, we will not have any elections, any changes to the end of the war, and at the end of the war , those who... until recently, yes, until the moment of the invasion , denied all this, should lead us to nato and the european union to victory, i could not find any examples of such a phenomenon in history, so i ask you , you have a feeling, they will be able to do it whether or not they will be able to do it, well, again , the fact that you described is a paradox, it also does not fit into the head, and it just proves that this triumph of the moment took place, and who was at that moment of the explosion ukrainistva was on poems? he had no other chance to join the ukrainian. this is a forced step. their repainting in blue-yellow color, of all those who even a day

before... were still thinking about may day and barbecues, this is a forced step, they were forced under the influence of the ukrainian fountain, we remember this explosion, by the way, i miss him very often , even because we lost this tone a little , but they became forced, so now, in fact, they are hostages of their own image, chosen at that moment, whether it is sincere or not sincere, i am not a doctor and you are not a doctor, and in principle it should not bother us, now... it is not the inner convictions of our type of elite that should work, but their political status, as it were, they are forced, they want, they don't want, they can, they cannot, they are under the influence of irreversible influences of history itself, itself wars, realities, they simply must and are forced to go this way, this is the way of european integration, whether they want it or not, there will be ultimatums, that is why the west works in the language

of ultimatums. not because there is a great burning desire to launch all anti-corruption bodies right tomorrow, to carry out the entire reform of the judicial system, to liquidate this district court, where you know by tatarov's call, all cases are resolved, there is zero desire, but there is this irreversibility, this irreversible pressure of history itself, you must do all this, otherwise you will be in trouble, and that is if the people do not agree to it, so i i wouldn't wait, i wouldn't look into their souls, into their brains, what they are there, what... they want, they don't want, this is where the ultimate form of history itself works, which simply leads them, no they lead, and they follow it, and in principle it is even better, because if i were to give them the reins of the government, i apologize , then i do not say where they would go with their low-class fiera, ostape, listen and remember that joke: you want, you don't you want, but you have to, and i say that phrase, many like, they have such a historical moment, they want,

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