to apply for help, receive this help, fix your life, fix your own psychological comfort and then already from a healthy, prosperous position to help your child, and maybe at that moment this help will no longer be needed. congratulations, friends, the saturday political club dmytro didora and vitaly portnikov is on the air. today we will analyze the most important topics of this week, namely that the russians lost a long-range radar tracking aircraft, the results of the international forum in davos, and in this broadcast hour, an analyst from vitaly portnikov already in the second part of our program. and we are already in touch with anatolii hrabchynskyi, the deputy general director of the company that employs him.

by electronic warfare, aviation expert, good evening, glory to ukraine, slayem, congratulations, congratulations, mr. anatolia, well, let's start with the fact that you can explain to us how ukrainian rap has really improved, how much we now manage to redirect russian missiles to other places , than those planned by the russian military command, and what consequences this may have for the further course of the war? well , in fact, if we talk about the improvement of ukraine's electronic warfare systems, we can see from the last shelling that most of the missiles did not even hit the target and disappeared from the radar, here, of course, we would like these missiles to change their course and return to their home port, but again, at the moment, what the means of radio-electronic warfare, which are implemented in air defense, give good results, here we can safely say about e 40% a... decrease in the accuracy of russian

missiles, so in fact there is room for improvement, there is there is still something to be covered directly by means of radio-electronic warfare, but again here it should be noted that the enemy is also learning, for example, it is already known about some modernizations directly of kha-101 missiles in terms of countering means of radio-electronic warfare, but actually so far we see that air defense is coping 90% that... let's talk about the topic that was on this week, just everybody, the russians lost the plane, as we promised, as we talked about today, the long-range radar tracking of the a50, and of course the question remains, what exactly was hit this plane was shot down, what kind of weapon could have targeted such a plane, and how will it now affect the shelling in ukraine, well...

again, if we are talking directly about the a50, then taking into account its location close to the waters of the sea of ​​azov , then we can talk about the downing, for example, we could talk about the downing directly of the patriot systems that could reach them, that is, the wandering patriot that destroyed a lot of russian planes at the end of the year and in general recently - it should be noted here that ukraine was able to. to implement and build a new air defense system like the franks - this is when american missiles are implemented on old soviet launchers, this is when the s-300 radar radar systems are used together with the empty patriot systems, so in fact it should be noted here the weapons that are in service with the armed forces ukraine is already ukrainian, and we can safely say that the russian a... was shot down by ukrainian

weapons, all these other details can already be omitted, i think, regarding the direct loss russia by russia of the a50 aircraft, in fact the a50 is an aircraft from the old soviet times, and the most interesting thing is that the aircraft that russia planned to put in service to replace the a50, the a-100, the so-called premier, russia has not been able to build even now she only has one. aircraft, although it has been planned to deliver about four aircraft since 2016, and therefore currently we will see that the activity of directly involving these types of aircraft will decrease at least at a distance of 200 km from the borders of ukraine, this will allow us to strengthen the system air defense and air defense will be easier directly because the targets are scanned.

directly, the radar detection system, launchers, and also tracked the movements of our military. and therefore, in fact, we must expect that this is being created, here we must say that a certain buffer zone is being created, which will allow our ground service to practice much more easily, because there will be less aviation, and direct missile attacks no longer have an accurate picture before, well, how they did, first scanned, and then tried to break through air defenses due to the work of radars. stations of these planes, now they can fly much further, and of course, they will not be able to completely scan the entire air over the space of ukraine. well, one more such improvement is that in recent days, ukrainian drones, yes, they have been hitting russian oil depots all the time, how is it that they manage

to get into these very objects, it is obvious that the russians definitely understand that the oil depot is a strategic and protected object, but there miss these attacks every time, er, list them all here. probably the trigger of this situation was the fact that our foreign partners forbid and do not advise us to directly use samples of western equipment on the territory of the russian federation, therefore, due to the desire of ukrainians to create weapons that could target the energy sector, the oil sector at russian airfields , capable uavs appear directly in ukraine. make anti-aircraft defense due to low visibility and low altitudes and apply such we saw loud strikes on oil oil reserves and on the russian airfield , strategic aviation was also destroyed at the expense of some bepla, so here i think that

we will see even more interesting situations, because the example of the last hit in the leningrad region , and this... or 200 km shows that ukrainian developments are going far ahead and can not only in the future not only be able to aim directly at places of oil or fuel storage, but also at factories that already produce russian shakhet drones, russian ha1 missiles, which are also located not far from moscow, by the way , mr. anatoly, tell me about drones, clarification 1250 km russian media say that drones flew through bryansk, smolensk, tver, they flew over many regions of russia, what is this may mean

that there is no air defense in russia, or these drones in our country are very equipped with a system that neither air defense nor electronic warfare can see them. well, again, due to the fact that we have the opportunity to receive components from more developed ones countries, we still create products that are resistant to means of radio-electronic warfare, or invisible to air defense, but it should be noted that directly russian air defense, like most air defenses in the world, do not have the ability to see low-altitude targets of small size, this by the way. there will also be the opening of a new market, a new industry, in relation to the development of such radar stations. further, again, if we take into account the number of lost air defense systems on temporarily occupied territory of ukraine by the russians. ah, here it must be understood that

most of these means were transported precisely from the border parts of russia, therefore, in fact, the air defense of russia has significantly decreased, weakened, so to speak. to say, here, and regarding the quality of air defense, let's remember those systems that they put on such stands as on columns, yes, here, and in order to try to detect uavs directly more qualitatively. and tell me, here are the sequels and drones, i still have such a more childish question, can you really assemble drones at home? ah, again. come on, due to the democratization of high tech, er, most fpvs can actually be assembled at home. moreover, as a person who, as a child, directly assembled small airplanes that were launched on engines under

oxygen pressure, i can actually say that this is not a problem. here the question is that currently most of the drones solve operational tasks, that is, breaking through anti-aircraft. defense, distraction, destruction of the target at close range, at close range, but again, this industry in ukraine is developing, and in the future we will be able to build more high-precision, high... technological means , and we see that we are already building those that are coming to russian air defense, so in fact, again, having engineering education and having clear technological maps, you can actually assemble a drone from home from components. a million drones, what we were told about fpv drones is a real opportunity for ukraine, and if, for example, every ukrainian sits down in... the kitchen or at home collect this drone, by the way, when they focused on these drones, they said

that there are free courses that will teach this, will we cover the needs of the army, will we have enough of them, because the russians are also actively starting to use them, well, if every ukrainian starts collecting at least one drone a month, you can imagine, there will be more than a million, in fact, come on. as for the quality, we understand that directly in order to collect these drones, you will first have to undergo training, then the system of receiving these drones, again the same ones fpv, uh, you have to understand that, for example, when you return this fpv, the quality of its assembly, the quality of it and the control of its operability, will have to be checked by certain authorities. and i understand that, well, in the future, most likely , a certain structure will be built, which will allow... uh , to teach and directly help uh with components, and also

directly accept these fives in order to check the quality of this work . if we talk in principle about the extent to which we will be able to cope with our own missile technology, we we understand that if we do not have our own missiles, and the allies will forbid us to use their weapons for strikes on the sovereign territory of russia. russia still has pe'. wins, at least for the preservation of military arsenals, a drone does not replace a missile, i think, in this situation, well, actually, a drone, if we are talking about a drone, it does not have such powerful capabilities to carry a large amount of warhead, but again , if we use a drone against the same oil depots, we see that for blowing up such a tank does not require a lot of explosives. but in ukraine at the moment, for example , jet drones are already appearing, this will make it possible to break through

air defense at the expense of, let's say, new systems with higher speeds at higher speeds, therefore, in principle , from a jet drone to the creation of a full-fledged missile is not so far, and we actually have some systems that are developing missiles directly, so again it's going to take time if we come back. example, a year ago, and we remember how many drones there were and how they worked in the directions of this industry, then we will see a significant difference, because, for example, at the end of 2023 , there were more than 300 companies in ukraine that were directly engaged in the construction of various types of drones, and multi-copter and wing-shaped, in the direction of avdiiv, let's go to the front, in our direction, they say 250 aerial bombs in january. the russians have intensified the use of aviation,

they summarize that they use less equipment, but use more aviation, has increased a lot. what is the reason for such activation of russian aviation on this part of the front? well, again, we understand that the battles for ardiivka have been going on for a very long time and... in fact, the kremlin has an understanding of taking some territories, like the soviet union, that is, at any cost, at any sacrifice, so in fact the introduction is at the expense of warplanes or helicopters, of course, because support from the sky is an important part of the introduction of hostilities, but then again, let's wait and see the strengthening of the ukrainian air force is simple. at the expense of f16, then we will see who will dominate it. well, in principle, as

much as it can be considered that the planes really determine in the current situation, if we take into account the air defense systems, the course of this war, this is how we expect the f-16, it is impossible that they will enter service there, and then it will turn out that the russians are still capable of resisting them precisely with the help, at least on the anti-aircraft front. here, probably, i repeat what i... but i say that there is no such weapon that would make a victory in everything, and therefore it should be noted here that, for example, f-16 they will only strengthen the air force directly, if we were talking about tanks. for example, they strengthened our offensive capabilities, we see how bradley destroys russian t-90s, so again, the war is won by tactics and courage, to say that, for example, the f-16s will not win something, they will not do it, or will make some kind of turning point in the war, will become game changers, this is wrong, they

will just do the job, they will strengthen significantly, the air force will... will carry out the mission assigned to it, which is assigned to the air force during hostilities, in fact, because now what is used by our ukrainian air force, unfortunately, it is very weak to assess, so that due to the capabilities of these old aircraft, therefore, again, the f16 will significantly strengthen the capabilities of the ukrainian air force. thank you, thank you, mr. anatol, anatoliy hrabchynskyi, deputy general director of the company engaged in radio electronic security, we had an air expert on the air with... now we will take a break for just a few minutes, but please don't switch, there are discounts on evcalor 20% in psyllium, pam and oschad pharmacies, there are discounts on eurofast, 20% in psyllium pharmacies, pam and oskad, there are discounts on tosmay,

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we continue the saturday political club: dmytro didora and vitaly portnikov, volodymyr ogrysko, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009, head of the

russian research center, is already in touch with us. mr. volodymyr, good evening, glory to ukraine. we congratulate mr. volodymyr as a hero of glory. well, let's start with these protests in bashkartov, what do you think it is excess or regularity what is happening there, i think that there is a speech, it is a bell, it is a bell, although not a bell, that is, you know, such small signals that not everything is great in this kingdom, but unfortunately, in my opinion, this will not mean that now a chain reaction will begin and ... everything will start to burn and fall apart, unfortunately, not yet, you see, in ufa gathered eh eh, well people, but what did they do, as eh show the drivers are swindlers, well, if the driver is a swindler against criminals armed to the teeth in military uniform,

then of course nothing will happen, it seems to me that it will start only if the colonial center, which is moscow, begins to shake, and then these things, and not only. it goes without saying, they will flare up instantly, and so far these are just some kind of signals that here and there will be, you know, i wanted to tell you something, exactly a year ago, as far as i remember, just to be honest, we then it was not much before that, but there were such mass, mass farewell ceremonies for the first president of bashkortostan, murtasa rahim, in uf . it is clear that people there perceive him death as a farewell to sovereignty , well, once upon a time, which was there in the 90s, and devofs even putin came to say goodbye to rahiv, whom the kremlin accused of

corruption, by the way, so it was also clear that there were some other moods in bashkartovstan , than you would think, if you don't look closely at this, this situation, this death has revealed that people in this republic look at their current situation differently than you would think, well, you see, i... we with with you, mr. vitaly, they speak my russian clearly and clearly, that is, what is it the russian people, there the questions are asked in this way, and they absolutely correctly mention the soviet people, which was actually a kind of blanket, as if over the other peoples that formed it, but when the collapse began in moscow, then... it suddenly became clear that there was no of the soviet people, but there are ukrainians, there are lithuanians , there are kazakhs, there are georgians, and so on, and so on, the same will happen here, that is, so far russian

propaganda is talking about the russian people, but yesterday, or rather the day before yesterday, the minister of propaganda, who for some reason is called a minister of foreign affairs, said that through the svo , russia received, well, a very big positive, and he saw this positive in the fact that the russian people paid up like never before, well , this reminds me of a well-known formula from the times of the ussr, when the soviet people paid up around the communist party, about the same time, russian propaganda is talking about gatherings, but in fact we understand that this is a fake. what can happen next in russia, it can be like a chain, everything will start to fall, or these uprisings will be suppressed by the umon, as it

happens, everyone will be put in autosacks and that's all, and this will be the end , will there be anything different, as you can describe it, i believe that it will be different only when the structures in moscow crumble, when the inter-clan, inter-species, inter-putinska begins. formidable, when they begin to find out the relationship between themselves, who will be either the successor, or who will replace, or who will send an ampoule with potassium cyanide, and so on, that's when they will really deal with themselves, that's when the regions, national republics, because there not only bashkargstan, there are also whole territories that sees itself in a completely different way, remember siberia. remember the far east, it is not the siberians who say that we are not really russians, we are, our language is not even russian, but siberian, siberian-russian, that is, autonomous

emotions and traditions in the same siberia are huge, and multiply it by the fact that such a region can not only conduct itself, but also live well if it thinks about itself, and not about... about the imperial center, then the situation here will, i think, go very quickly, and very similar to what happened with the collapse of the ussr, but, as we remember, it all started with the gkchp, it started with the fact that power in moscow was actually lost by those who held it firmly in their hands until yesterday, but after that... and the process of collapse began of the soviet empire at that time, i think we have, since in russia there is nothing, as for

what is... the ussr or russia has not changed, then i think the scenario will be exactly the same. well, on the other hand, there is also the issue of balance, agree, even when there was a hhcp, the balance of power in moscow and in the union republics was soft speaking, already destroyed, and i mentioned to you about this funeral of rahimov, i spoke with him a lot in the 90s, when he was the head of the republic of bashkortostan, first of the verkhovna rada there, then the president of the republic, and among other republican leaders he. .. was distinguished by the fact that he spoke quite frankly about all this, he told me that if moscow does not understand how important the balance between it and the russian republics is, it will definitely lead to the ship capsizing. well, it's true, and mr. vitaly, it's not just him, well, now tatarstan seems to be balancing towards the center, well, this does not mean at all that this will not

change at the moment... when the situation will be strained to the upper limit, and right away the precedent is important, and you see, they put the guy behind bars the fact that he wrote two words that were misinterpreted, translated specifically to condemn him, but it could be completely different, it could just be some kind of inter-ethnic conflict where one bully. er kill another bully and that can start anything, at any point by the way of this country, so i think you 're right that there are pockets, uh, and they 're really going to show up more and more, uh , that's going to trigger, uh, it's also a pretty open question, because we can't predict where to start, but the fact that... in

these so-called national republics today the anti-moscow potential is really starting to grow, so here, as they say, there is no need to go to the borozhka. eh, continuing the topic of russia, in addition to the protests, there were still a lot of communal accidents, and hundreds of thousands remained russians are without electricity, water, heat, they say, at least 43 subjects of the russian federation were left without utility services. russia promised that europe would be freezing , but this video, i will never forget it, when the song begins, and then it turns out that a russian city, will these communal problems affect putin's authority, and will local officials simply suffer from this, as a result this communal collapse,

you see, mr. dmytro. i recently saw another one there, as it is now fashionable to call a detachment, from the freezing podolsk, when on the street was minus 20 or 25, but in the apartment buildings there was no heating, no water, well, nothing, that is, the entrances were like caves with stalagnites and stalactites, so what actually happened was that women gathered on the street and chanted.. . we freeze loudly, we freeze, it was, it was the first thing they talked about, and then vladimir vladimirovich, help, you understand, this is a slave nation, a nation with the psychology of slaves, who will endure to the last, and i don’t see any here, no reason for these arab people to suddenly revolt,

well, i think that... you remember saltykov the generous man, who loved to repeat the phrase that russians like to rebel, they will kneel in front of the noble house and rebel, they know that they rebel, but they stand, this is the type of russian thinking , that's why i think that even though there won't be rivers like the ones you show now flowing through the streets, they will still... they will still be on their knees rebelling, asking volodymyr volodymorovich to help. therefore, i do not see here, frankly, a great chance for such things, slave people forced to act, he needs to wait for another leader, another king, if this one loses, and no more, there, in my opinion, and in the opinion of our colleagues...