well, i think you remember saltykov shchedrian, who loved to repeat the phrase that russians like to rebel, they will kneel in front of the noble house and rebel, they know that they are rebelling, but they stand, this is the type of russian thinking, so i think that at least there will not be such rivers as you show. flow through the streets now, they will still be on their knees rioting, ask vladimir volodymyrovych to help, so i honestly don't see a big chance here for such things to force the arab people to act, he needs to wait for another leader, another king, if this one loses, and no more, there, in my opinion, and in the opinion of our colleagues... the center, which deals with this

quite intensively, there is no internal strength for any resistance , this is a mentality , this is something that has been formed for centuries and something that so far is absolutely impossible to change with one, you know, flick of a switch, but tell me, have you seen this post by dmitry medvedev, another one, in which he clearly said that the cause of war is fabrication of ukrainian... statehood, yes a lot of people criticized it as, you know, audacity, but in fact, it seems to me that medvedev has already told the truth about what they think and what they would like, in fact, it is obviously true, and here, well , no, no, honestly, why be surprised, but you, mr. vitaly, understand perfectly well that the existence of an independent, democratic ukraine, which is a member of two.

members of nato and the european union, it is a cross on everything that modern russia stands for, it is the collapse of all scraps taken together and at the same time one moment. there is no history, no culture, no majesty and everything else, that is why the question is not in ukraine. look, finland has become a member of nato. a common border between russia and finland, something. there are 1,200 or so kilometers and there are no tantrums, well , at least not yet, well, they will form the leningrad military district there, so what? and you look at what is happening in the context of ukraine, no, ukraine is not possible, finland, god be with you, we swallowed it and did not even see it, but ukraine is really something completely different, why? well, because ukraine - this, cutting off. stories, cutting off greatness,

cutting off all that is called the russian myth, but how to live in russia without a myth? the institute for the study of war says that medvedev's statement is a signal that the russian federation does not want to negotiate with kyiv. in your opinion, what can this post of his, which is actually very difficult to read, be about, in your opinion, what does he want to convey to ukrainians and officials. to the authorities in kyiv, well, what, mr. dmytro, is it difficult to read, well, you just have to learn to read, including such things, you need to take it calmly, analyze it, well you know that, well , it must be hard for a dead anatomist to work, but he works no matter what you do, so you have to accept it, of course, with disdain, but at the same time, with the fact that these are...

obvious things that putin himself cannot allow, and his deputy on this so-called, on this so-called security council makes it public through such disgusting posts, which means that there cannot be any hope for any negotiations in principle, i just have a bad idea, that can be negotiated. er , about what they went to istanbul with, well, that's how they went with capitulation, if these are negotiations, then , excuse me, i am the pope of rome, these are not negotiations, this is the signing of the capitulation, all other things cannot be called negotiations, there is nothing about , there is no subject of negotiations, you understand, when delegations gather, they discuss something, that is, some problem, some question, some fact and so on, there is nothing to discuss, so it must be taken absolutely. realistically,

and by the way, at the press conference the day before yesterday , lavrov again, well, in black, as they say, in white, that there are no negotiations about anything cannot be until russia fulfills its tasks within the framework of this so-called svo, they will not stop, about which negotiations can even be talked about. obviously not. well, if we turn to the topic of nazism, which medvedev talks about all the time in his posts, it is interesting to continue this topic here. you know that there was quite an interesting story this week connected, unfortunately, with a sad event, with the death of a famous russian poet. of democratic beliefs, a friend of ukraine, a person who always opposed the war with ukraine, lev rubinstein, he died after a car accident, so did the espres newspaper, i think that 's what it's called, the espres newspaper printed a report about his farewell, with such, i would

say, characteristics that in the rasvet cultural center on the red preresna, where from the big number of people, the jewish apple had nowhere to fall, they also cried. persons, and zohenway, who will raise the flag now, because bokby with damned putinism, well , all this, as you understand, with such humorous repetitions of russian words, so that it is clear that these are jewish accents, that this it was jews who gathered for the funeral of a russophobe. and it is also very interesting that there is no reaction from the official authorities, only there a deputy from the opposition apple said that he filed a lawsuit, because the text, which is very similar to... the texts that we once read in real nazi newspapers, somewhere filhisher biobakhter there were such texts, and we read it in history lessons, and now it comes out in moscow right away, you don’t need any lessons, you just buy a newspaper, read it, no, mr. vitaly, what’s the news here, we don’t know

that antisemitism in russia is one of them scrap, what a sensation, i think that there is no need to go to the boroshka here, this is what, this is what that is... including modern russia, so that there is no one who does not speak and so on, therefore, and look at official moscow's reaction to what hamas terrorists did to the jewish population in gaza, this is nothing but confirmation that the anti-israel line is actually one of the key points in the minds of the modern russian leadership. and traditionally it goes back centuries and ages, so to be honest, i stopped being surprised by such things a long time ago, because they is a part of the russian mentality,

i'm coming back to it again, because it seems to me that all of our people today are, you know, such sighs and sighs, how could this happen, you just have to... read russian history, you just have to read what great russian writers wrote about the fact that the russian spirit is an order of magnitude higher than european, please, this is the great dostoevsky, who is admired in the west, he did not put european culture at all, compared to russian , saying that what is russian, of course , in order higher, more spiritual, there is no such thing. primitive consumerism and so on, there, there are simply, well, great scraps for all times and peoples, so, so that all this is a consequence of what russia was created from, how it developed historically and what it reached,

now we are at on the threshold of when all this will be punished once and for all and from russian. nothing will remain of the empire, except perhaps some formation within the borders of the moscow principality, when it arose, everything else will turn into other state formations, well, or then this monster will eat all of them in a row without any choice, we sincerely thank volodymyr gryzko, former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, head of the research center. was in touch with us, we will continue our diplomatic dialogues, we are now in touch with yevhen korniychuk, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to israel, congratulations, mr. yevhen, good evening, well, let's start with some conclusions, because for the first time we saw an israeli representative at the discussion of

the ukrainian peace formula in davos, it is we who pay attention to china, but here is israel now he sent his representative vdavost to this meeting of advisers, this is some kind of diplomatic move, can you say so? well, the amount is small, since we have been working on this since the first meeting of national security advisers, and this is the fourth time we have had such. it was successful, i want to say that according to our information, on the eve of this meeting, the russian ambassador to israel viktorov met with the deputy general director of the ministry of foreign affairs with requests and assurances that such a trip would not take place. despite this, the deputy head of the israel defense forces for international affairs uriy reznik took part in this event, he had meetings with the ukrainian. leadership and the meeting is assessed as very positive by both sides, we received

assurances from the israelis that they will definitely participate in this format in the future. and tell me, if we talk about this peace formula and how we are looking for some security guarantees there, the israeli security guarantee formula is realistic for ukraine, why am i asking this, because the first agreement on security guarantees was recently signed with velika britain, this is similar to the formulas it has for... its security israel, mr. vitaly, it is a similar story, and i can tell you quite a lot of information about this in detail, it is important to know that israel receives exclusively american security assistance, starting in 1952 year, this is the first security agreement, which , by the way, was also called a memorandum of understanding, we do not like the name with the british, but this form is used very widely, primarily in common law countries,

the countries of great britain, the united states, and self-security mechanisms allow israel to receive the largest american military aid, i can say that the first such ten-year agreement was signed between the united states and israel. in 1999, it provided between $2 billion and $8 billion a year in direct, direct financial aid, and among other things, uh, numerous loans from american arms manufacturers that the israeli government or israeli companies directly concluded, at the end of this period a new agreement was concluded for 10 years, there is now an agreement that... was signed between israel and

by the united states in 2016 and covers the years 2019-2028. now the average annual aid is 3.8 billion. but it covers, for your understanding, only one, only 20% of the israeli military. budget, although it is an unprecedented aid, i want to say that ukraine surpassed israel last year and received more aid from the united states than israel did for the first time. it is important to say that the israeli government receives this aid directly, and the americans in no way, in any way , control the use of these funds, that is, there is great trust of the parties to each other, i think we will also agree to achieve this. er and this is a normal er precedent that

er provides, actually, the way this agreement with britain that you asked me about, er, work in the security direction in various fields, er, as in questions, er intelligence and access, mutual access to military satellites, er, receiving any intelligence information. in matters of, er, site, in matters of joint production of air defense. the only thing i want to say is that we are very different in this sense from israel, is that israel remains a nuclear power. you know that israel has never publicly admitted this, but our distinguished countryman golda meyer, when she was the prime minister of israel during the famous six-day war, said that we do not have nuclear ... weapons, but if necessary, we have them apply well, as a matter of fact, of course, this

is the key difference between ukraine and israel, because it is actually a heavyweight, and countries like iran, which are definitely a threat to israel, and all the iranian proxies that you see today, know this. act in different countries, from syria, lebanon, er, yemen, er, here, and... to some extent egypt, we've seen talks from the israeli-egyptian side this week about the illegal egyptisraeli crossing. border, by unknown armed persons, this was immediately stopped, but appropriate consultations took place. in general, this week there were mass consultations, negotiations, visits, as a rule, we prepare relevant, appropriate information on this matter for the ministry of foreign affairs and our top political leadership. well,

simply, i think it is worth mentioning the key ones statements of the minister of foreign affairs of the kingdom of saudi arabia, who for the first time stated that they are ready to sign a peace agreement with israel and recognize israel as a sovereign state, after securing the signing of a peace agreement with palestine and recognition of the independence of the palestinian authority as a state, on this occasion took place also visits. and the foreign minister of australia, the president of the czech republic this week, an important phone call with the chancellor of germany, who said that germany is ready to join the lawsuit in the hague, which has filed,

you know, south africa against israel, germany is ready to join on israel's side. that is, enormous diplomatic activity, and every day we watch the statements of the prime minister of israel, well, it is probably worth concluding the information on this week with the loud statement of the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation lavrov, who went to new york in order to take part in ... he emphasized that they are interested in peace in the territory of israel and palestine and also speaks for the creation of an independent palestinian state, well, definitely cynicism here is extraordinary, since it is not the level, as

a rule, of the minister of foreign affairs, and it is after the visit. of the political, political leadership of hamas to moscow, which took place this week, it sounds especially cynical, and it is simply not worth not paying attention to it, or whether it causes some disgust in israeli politicians. mr. yevgeny, you have already mentioned and loud statements were made by both the prime minister and the minister of foreign affairs lavrov, but here is the information that spread on the network that the war in... in israel is not the tsehal military operation in the gas sector will end this year, the prime minister of israel said this week, what is currently happening in the gas sector itself, and in your opinion, is it really possible to go to war already starting in 2024, we have only just begun, already we predict that it will continue

next year, well, a certain verse of the israeli politician was... this war is profitable, i carefully monitor the military and political analysis on the ground, according to the israeli military, the operation is about its third stage, it is conditionally divided into four, that is, now the israeli military command controls approximately almost 2/3 of the territory of the gas sector. and uh, one of the divisions out of four was already withdrawn from the gas sector last week, that is , it can be said that the hostilities on the territory of the gas are slowing down to a certain extent. unfortunately, er, civilian casualties are increasing, er , of course, there are now figures of 24,000

dead and about 60,000 wounded, er, but er... in my opinion, the actual military operation can end much before, in the future, it is questionable whether a military operation will begin in the north, on the territory of lebanon, on the part of hezbollah, but we see the great diplomatic activity of the united states of america, its diplomatic representatives are actually in lebanon all the time, trying to convince and stop it. hostilities, at the same time, the shelling from lebanon continues, and i want to say that today i am in eilat, i just met with the... ukrainian community, and i am extremely impressed that people continue to gather in the central square every week and with ukrainian flags, and today i

see that the hotels are full of temporary settlers, about 200 thousand israeli citizens from the north and from the regions close to the gas sector are living in remote hotels. from the hostilities , it is usually at the expense of the government, and of course it confuses the citizens, people want to return to their homes, but it is impossible, especially from the territory of lebanon, the threat continues to remain, and frankly, it is impossible to predict now when the confrontation will end . i think that answering your question, that in the territory of the gas sector, most likely, the cleanup will end, well, we can assume in a month or two, and the big question is whether a large-scale war will start in the north on the part of lebanon, no one can predict this now,

well, let me add you can also have missiles and drones that send pieces from yemen and they fly here to the south, and shelling from the territory of syria, well, that is, it's fun here, and unfortunately, the situation... is far from the end of the conflict, well, let's talk about it growing rather when, say, secretary of state anthony blinkin said during his trip to israel that there will be metastases, so what we are observing now, you mentioned the houthis, but also about lebanon, but there was an exchange of missile strikes between iran and pakistan, this is not part of of these metastases? look, i am the ambassador to israel, i will comment on what is happening here in our country. other diplomats are in charge of pakistan, i, uh, i see the big picture, and as i understand it for myself, that unfortunately, uh, iran

is gradually getting involved in hostilities itself, that is earlier he acted through his proxies, whom he finances on the territory of the states we mentioned, and now he is finally starting to act independently, but it is already a heavyweight, it is not the houthis, it is not hezbollah and hamas, it is powerful. a state that, despite 30 years of sanctions, you see that it produces quite modern missiles, drones, and i see the efforts of the united states, first of all, which is trying to stop iran's actions related to its involvement in a larger-scale military aggression in the region. thank you sir yevhen, yevhen korniychuk, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in israel was with us. on the air, we talked about what is happening in the middle east, how israeli models can help ukraine from the point of view of security guarantees, we will now

break for a few minutes, but do not switch, we have another hour of communication ahead of us.

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we continue the saturday political club, dmytro didora and vitaly portnikov, this is the second part of our program, where mr. vitaliy will analyze the issues that were this week, the most relevant and hot, and we already talked today, mr. vitaliy, about meeting forms, the forum, economic forum in davos, i propose to start with it then, volodymyr zelenskyi urged partners not to experiment with delaying aid.

in ukraine, however, he held a series of meetings with ursula fonderlein, with blinken, with the secretary general of nato, and they all assured that they would provide this assistance, and they say that there is no such thesis that the conflict will be frozen, will it still be present, or will it be gave confidence that there is no such thesis for ukraine? it seems to me that in order to freeze the conflict, both sides have to agree to this, and i don't see it now. the desire to freeze the conflict neither on the ukrainian side nor on the russian side, because we already discussed this thesis of the former president of russia dmitry medvedev, who said that the very existence of the ukrainian state will be the cause of further wars on our territory, this is such a sacred truth, i think that someone must have illusions until the moment we can create an effective the containment system of the russian federation, the territory of ukraine will be an arena for wars, such a training ground

for russia, i think that... not only ukraine, other former soviet republics as well, it's just that their turn has not yet come, and it's just it is necessary to realize and think about how to create such a security system, and by and large these meetings in davos are part of efforts to create such a security system, because even if we suddenly want to freeze conflicts, the west wants to freeze the conflict, then for us it is not the russian federation will give, and that's why i think it's absolutely right that we have this 10-point peace formula, many people say, you know, but these points... can never be fully realized, of course, you can think so , i i don't see any mechanisms now to force russia to withdraw its troops from the occupied territories, to force it to accept the territorial integrity of ukraine, to punish russian war criminals who are the leaders of a nuclear state and are ready to punish everyone they can get their hands on without the use of force. , as we know, not only in words, but...