yes, well then let's start from the beginning, unfortunately we have private military companies, they are always associated with mercenaries, this is very bad, i do not support such an opinion, but if we are already talking about mercenaries, then i want to tell you, that mercenaries exist as long as there is war, for example, about mercenaries. it is even written in the bible, and there are many examples when mercenary troops were once used by someone, i even read machiavelli, machiavelli against the use of mercenaries, but i have a different opinion on this matter, and there the subject of both mercenaries and private military companies, it was unfolding for a very long time, somewhere before... the early

2000s, and here in the 2000s, the industry of private military companies, it grew up and became more regulated, why? because the united states of america, they started, they started hostilities, both on the territory of afghanistan and also on the territory of iraq, and i was directly involved in these... activities, and i just want to remind you that since the early 2000s years ago, it developed, we will not talk about it there the 90s, about the 80s, 70s and so on, as this topic of the pmc, it grew up, in general, the united states of america, they made a decision to enter the territory of iraq, and i remember then as the minister of defense, if i am not mistaken. was donald rumsfeld and

he, he went on television and he said , let's put it this way, he, i think, he was trying to reassure the people of the united states of america, and he said things like, the war in iraq, it's going to continue, maybe 5 days, maybe five weeks, maybe five months, but it won't last 5 years, and that's it so that they americans... counted on one thing, it turned out another, and when the other turned out, and they realized that it would be a war for years, ah, then the question arose, what are we going to do about it, and american politicians, they decided to talk, to think together, and what to do about it, and there were three options, again, this is not speculation on some facts, i directly participated in this, and there were three options, the first option is to collect my things and.. ..

to leave, to leave iraq, it was not right away, well, they did not accept it. the second option was to declare mobilization, and then , it was, well, political suicide, not suitable either, and so they chose the third option: to create private military companies and use private military companies, both on the territory of iraq and on the territory of afghanistan . that is, what are we here for... we find in this short excursion into history that the united states of america is the country that uses private military companies the most, the second country is probably the united arab emirates, for them a private military company - it was a support in critical situation, unfortunately, in our country we look at private military companies as a kind of caricature, you know, private military companies, there is a demand for them, everyone uses private military companies today. governments use

private military companies, multinational corporations such as axonmobil, shell, total, they all use, use the services of private military companies, non-governmental organizations, such as save the children or caritas, they use the services of private military companies, a little bit of other services, even there some kind of logistics or some other, but these are private military companies, the security of the vatican, who are behind... today, the swiss, well, how did the swiss get into the vatican, you can say mercenaries, and i don't want to use this example because it's very bad, i don't want to use it, but i have to, even terrorists have their own private military companies, i can call malgam takactical, it's based if i'm not mistaken in afghanistan, but it works for the benefit of...

related organizations, that is, the whole world uses the services of private military companies, and for some reason it is always taboo here, and i don't understand why. and when we talk about a private military company. what are the signs or symptoms that are, well, the basic things that you can really say that this structure or this group of people is a private military company or a consulting company or a defense consulting company, what are the demonstrative signs of a private company? it's a company, it's very simple, it's a partnership with a limited liability company that provides services of a military nature, well, for example, we were engaged in... training of the armed forces, we are not engaged now, because we do not have the resources, we were engaged in the training of the armed forces of ukraine, we trained operators, for example, for example, attk, manpads, we trained sappers, we trained saboteurs and so on

, that is, this kind of activity, it has signs of military activity, well, for example, signs of pmk, fine, but if the company is engaged in the training of medics there, is engaged in the protection of airports, is engaged in gathering intelligence in the interests of rural structures, are these also private military companies? no, but the last time you said intelligence gathering, it can already be considered a private military company, and by the way, there is a very high demand for private in the market right now. let me call it private intelligence agencies, intelligence companies, if you want an example, let me give you this example bellingkat, well it is a private company, well it if you say something like investigative journalism, this company is listened to, for example,

by the haab court, well then it means that the boundaries of private companies are still quite blurred, it is difficult to determine why i am asking this, because linguistically speaking, we had this... 20 for the first year, president zelenskyi has been talking about the fact that we really need to decide on private companies, two draft laws are being developed , they are hanging somewhere, zelenskyi is saying that it is necessary to make sure that they do not become the basis of certain oligarchic forces there and so on. where does this threat or warning come from of private companies appears, if it does not correspond to the essence of the pmcs themselves. considering what you said earlier. this, this is a very , very relevant question that you have now asked , you know, in civilized countries, i do not want to offend anyone, but in civilized countries there is no such idea that

a private military company can be subordinate to some oligarch there, and work in the interests of some private individuals there and... god forbid there try to remove the government or something else, well, the same big private military company in the united states in the states, this is blackwater, which does not exist today, and i know its head, rick prince, well , believe me, he does not even think of the option that one day he can expand his private military company, blackwater or some other, against against power and go there to... i don't know how to eliminate the government there of the one who is currently joe biden and replace it with trump, for example, well , such a very simple example, you understand, that is, the events that took place in our country in ukraine before, for example, if i am not i'm wrong, it was an incident in which

mr. kolomoisky took part, when there were certain actions with ukrtransnafta, well, there were some people in black. armed, unarmed, they entered the territory of the enterprise and so on , listen, frankly speaking, it is not my problem that our security forces allow some illegal armed formations to exist in ukraine, and they could enter some enterprises there , whether to close or open them and so on and the like, you understand, that is, a private military the company is registered somewhere, that is, it is a legal entity. it can no longer be considered as an illegal group, because there is registration, of course, if there are groups, a group of people who have weapons available and there are some means of personal protection, and there are a lot of them, then it falls under the category, if i do not

i am wrong according to article 260 of the criminal code of ukraine, illegal armed or armed formations, but it is a private company... it is registered somewhere, you understand, this is the first, second, mentality, mentality, we looked, what events took place in the russian federation. when wagner's pmk went to storm , relatively speaking, moscow, i don't want to offend anyone, but people who have not done anything bad, they are not afraid of anything, you understand, that is, to be afraid that some pmk will try to remove the government there, look at the events in 2014, ah, people, people did not like what was happening in the country, people stood up. they used force, that's when we lost that monopoly on force, the state lost its monopoly

on force, the people rose up and they removed the government, that is, yanukovych escaped from ukraine and we , how to say, achieved this in the ukrainian language, i don't remember, with the help of the population, and not with the help of the pmk, that is, i don't remember any cases in ukraine where the pmk was private military companies. were involved in some illegal activities, that is, these fears that we have are completely unfounded. pvc is an instrument of the state, not an instrument against the state. but for some reason people don't want to hear it, or they just don't hear it, you know? that is, as i understand it, there is now an attitude towards pmk rather, it is a consequence of the fact that we are held hostage by our old mythologists, and because of this, relatively speaking, we do not want to. to see the potential that is currently hidden behind the pvc, as a union of structured citizens who

can ensure, well, raising the standard or creating high-quality units of the armed forces or separate units of other power structures, but then there is the question of the norm of rationing, the law on private companies, britain, the united states, there are no such laws, although these companies are represented all over the world, what path should we take then? flirting with laws, legislation should probably be limited, except for certain licensing of such activities and to create transparent mechanisms for registration and control of such structures, well, this is like one of the options, well, let's say it like this, a license, licensing, yes, it is possible to get it, but you you see, we have licenses for , for example, the transfer of knowledge, if we are talking about the transfer of knowledge, that is, we are limited only

to training, that is, if a private military company, for example, it goes on a mission to the congo, relatively speaking, in order to there to train the armed forces of the democratic republic of the congo, it needs a license to transfer knowledge, but we restrict the pmk here because we... we limit the activities of the pmk because we are talking exclusively about the pmk's activities outside ukraine. if we return to the law of ukraine on pmcs, then the law of ukraine already answers the question. this is a law of ukraine that can only be applied on the territory of ukraine. the law of ukraine will not apply on the territory of mozambique, or on the territory of mali or burkina faso. that is, that in ukraine we regulate with such a law. unfortunately... when there was a debate on this issue, the author of this bill, mrs. vasylevska

smaglyuk, she created a working group, but i don't know how many times this working group met, but i was invited to one meeting, i spoke there and i i was not invited to these meetings of the working group anymore, because i was categorically against many points of this law, for example, i did not see it. why should our ukrainian pmc create some warehouses there with ammunition, with weapons, with armored vehicles and so on, what will we do with it, i.e. this this law, in the format in which it was written, is absolutely counterproductive, but it will never pass in the verkhovna rada, a law in which it is written that a ukrainian private military company, i have a training ground, and what should i do now, i need to drive 10 drones to the training ground to... put mortars there, put machine guns, weapons,

ammunition and so on there, put up security, the question arises, why do you need all this on the territory of ukraine, and that is why i believe that the law, the bill that was spelled, it was spelled wrong, i expressed my opinion, i am so from this working group. and when we are still talking about private military companies, what is the mechanism of financial existence for such enterprises, relatively speaking. if we say that these companies perform tasks there outside of ukraine, then they really have contracts with potential foreign customers there, if they work in ukraine, why should they be paid and who will pay this money? ah, yes, also a very interesting question,

er, first of all, let's understand if a ukrainian private military company concluded contract with a foreign customer, then this is the responsibility, payment of services, this is the responsibility of the foreign customer exclusively. if a ukrainian private military company, for example, goes on a business trip, i call it a business trip, goes on a business trip, for example, to burkina faso, and it goes on a business trip in the interests of the state, then of course, first. such a business trip must be financed by the state, because we work in the interests of the state, after that there may be other financing options, but in order for us to have a start abroad in interests of the state, the state must pay for it. if we are talking now in the conditions of a war, a full-scale war with russia,

the use of private military companies in ukraine, on the territory of ukraine and. i understand that this is a very unpopular opinion, but it should be funded by the state, you know, a private military company is not a beggar who should go around asking for money, you want us to do some, some certain action, well, i can't, in i have people, i now have people in ukraine whom i can use, and they want to work for us, but i personally do not have the resources. in order for me to attract these specialists, the problem is that i have specialists, and these specialists are currently working on a contract with the armed forces of ukraine, but the specialists work as stormtroopers, that is, they go and storm the trenches, i believe that this is an inappropriate use of resources, i have another

proposal, i have already expressed this proposal, some people... have not heard, but there are no sanctions, you know, there are no sanctions, so that i can take these people and use them somewhere else in this way, i have neither money, nor funding, nor authority, for this i am so that i can take these people and use them somewhere for their purpose, that is the problem, i want to tell you that this is not the first case, so what i watched, i saw i... we use, this is not a criticism , maybe some experts or experienced people will say that andrei, you are wrong and so on, but this is my personal opinion, i saw how we use, use ssso operators on the assaults of the same trenches, and so i have a question, if in a frontal attack both the ssso operator from our side and

the banal mobilized from the side of the russian federation will die. how much time and money do we need , time is very important to train another sso operator who accidentally died in frontal contact with a person mobilized from the russian federation, and how much time and money is needed to restore this person mobilized from the russian federation, at the front in ukraine, you see, we have to train the sso operator for at least six months. and the russians will replace this mobilized tomorrow, what am i talking about, we we use our resources, sometimes, sometimes, i am not criticizing, again, this is a statement of facts, we use our resources inappropriately, i have people now sitting in ukraine, i can use them in other directions, but they just go and are storming the trenches, these are people who have 20

years of combat experience, well, that is, in fact, you are talking about the fact that how the hell... if these people who are trained in your company, who have considerable experience , were used according to the complexity of the tasks, then it would be much more efficient rather than simply using them as stormtroopers who repelled one forest plantation near avdiyivka, and we understand that then this does not at all correspond to the potential that is embedded in these people, who have been accumulating for years, acquiring filigree capabilities for combat operations, then the question arises, how to .. i am 100% sure how to find a way out of such a labyrinth so that, relatively speaking, the heads of private companies have more opportunities to interact with the military. management to obtain some tasks, which they solve comprehensively, relying on their capabilities, and not dispersed among the existing

brigades, well, storming units? you understand, we , you and i talked for a long time about this matter, i talked with mr. bodrak and with other people, and we always talk about problems, problems, these are the problems, problems we have, we have to ask questions about -what else needs to be done to solve these problems? and in order to solve these problems, we need the government to hear us, i myself, you understand, because i don't have any leverage, no contacts, and so on. i also wrote a letter to the president, the former poroshenko, and i appealed to... president zelenskyi, i have a letter, a reply, and they are writing to me from the office of the president of ukraine, we inform you that your appeal is about the proposal

for the possible use of private military companies, in particular limited liability company megaconsulting groups for the performance of tasks related to the sphere of national security and defense of the state, sent to the apparatus of the national council of security and defense of ukraine and the ministry of defense of ukraine with a request to consider and inform. about the results, that's the end of it, that is, we don't have a lobbyist who can come, i'm sorry, and say that this is what needs to be done, and then we need to assemble a working group, but experts need to be invited to this working group, you know, someone needs to be invited from the nsdc, we must be invited, we must be invited from the general staff, from the ministry of defense, as it is called, a profile, a profile committee, if i am not mistaken, of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and discuss it, we have an urgent issue, we need to discuss together whether

it is expedient, and if it is expedient, how can we use private military companies, if it is not expedient, then we need some arguments, but it must be decided collegially, and not like we have in ukraine, some analyst said, i'm against it. because the state should have a monopoly by force, and we listened to him and said: well, he is against it and so on, all these conversations about the fact that private military companies are prohibited in ukraine, they absolutely groundless, there is no law of ukraine prohibiting private military companies. we have a full-scale war now, if we have such an urgent issue, in my opinion, we should assemble a working group, talk, and i am sure that we could find a solution, but i do not know how to do it, because i wrote to zelensky , i wrote to umerov, i wrote

to zaluzhny, i wrote to kuleba, i wrote to naev , there are no answers to my letters, that is, someone needs to come and say, it needs to be considered, i wish you such a very good example, if there is still time to give, it is very ... important, i was fortunate to work and know personally the american general of the united states of america, david petraeus, and when the hostilities began in afghanistan and iraq, and the united states of america understood , that they started losing, david petraeus came to the president of the united states and he said this phrase: he said, "mr. president, we can't just raise the stakes, partly there today a little bit, tomorrow a little bit, the day after tomorrow a little bit, we have to bet everything on

con, in english it's called olin, because if we don't put everything on the line, we 're going to lose this war , she was a very brave person because she just came to the president and expressed her opinion, i want to tell you about this, that there is even such a book, it is called olym, here it is, i took it with me, the author, general david petraeus, they called it that, olym, all bets are off, and it turns out that we are now at war, and we all don't bet, but the americans bet only because someone did attacked the pentagon and the world trade center, people did not enter the country to them, on tanks, on armored personnel carriers, they did not torture, destroy, rape the population, just in the name. attacked the world trade center and the pentagon, and they said that we must put all our bets on the line, that is, we must use all the available forces and means that we have, and if we

do not have these forces... and means, then we must to create them, and they created the pvc, and we hesitate, mr. andriy, sorry for the emotions, thank you very much for the inclusion, i have information resources at my disposal and analytical resources, this is what i am trying to contribute to the promotion of the idea related to private companies, i hope that we will continue to do this and find like -minded people in power to come to an understanding of whether or not it is necessary to put dots on ... and form a new strategy after that, but the fact that everything must be put on the line in these harsh conditions is absolutely true. thank you very much for the inclusion, for your explanation, i will remind our viewers that it was andrii kepkalo, the founder and head of the private military company omega group consulting. and then we will talk about weapons, more specifically about the bill on the right to civilian firearms, there are many comments on this bill, and we will talk about it in the context of how it affects

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how we... train our professional snipers, but still, in the context of the discussion of the draft law on weapons, which now has to be discussed in the second reading in our parliament, there are many nuances that are unpleasant, as for i have nuances, and we will talk about this now with our next guest, we are joined by yuriy chornomorets, doctor of philosophy, volunteer and sniper, mr. yuriy, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you, have a good day everyone. was going to talk about sniping, but i think that will be the second part of ours conversations, because first of all the story of the firearms bill, it worries me to say the least, because it cannot be in the conditions when there is a war, we are trying or we are not there, the authorities are trying to tighten the nuts from the point of view of , that the use of weapons becomes so complicated, i know that you have read this bill in detail, or you know all these

painful moments related to this bill, i would like to hear your opinion, do we need such a law in the conditions of war? well, i want to say that the original idea of the draft law, it was, accordingly, to allow citizens to have wider opportunities to own weapons, and first of all it is for self-defense, and secondly, again... for the protection of the homeland in the conditions that exist today, but in as a result of the work in the specialized committee, as a result of the work of the ministry of internal affairs, we have very strange such amendments, which are stricter than even russian legislation, and which are simply frankly, well, let's say such knives in the back for today.