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of the situation on the fronts. multiple citizenship. zelenskyy proposes to allow ukrainians to have passports of other countries. what does this mean for the future of ukraine? about this and other things, during the next hour we will talk with our guests, they will be people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy goncharenko, deputy commander of the third separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine maksym zhorin and diplomat, former minister. of foreign affairs of ukraine pavlo klimkin. the second part of our program will feature political experts ihor reiterovych, maksym rozumny and viktor boberenko. however, before we start our big talk, watch the video of the ukrainian armed forces shooting down a russian infantry fighting vehicle that was trying to storm ukrainian positions near verbovoy.

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youtube, please like this video, subscribe to our page on this platform and take part in our survey, today we ask you the following, do you support multiple citizenship in ukraine, yes, no, vote on youtube, and also, if you watch us on tv, pick up your phone and by dialing simple numbers, vote, if you support multiple citizenship, call 0800 211 380 1 no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we have people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy goncharenko in touch. mr. oleksiy, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you, and i congratulate you happy cathedral day of ukraine. i also congratulate you on the day of the catholic church. so, on the day of the convocation , volodymyr zelenskyi announced what he is submitting to the verkhovna rada. ukraine's draft law on

the introduction of multiple citizenship in ukraine. let's listen to what zelensky said. today, i am submitting a key bill to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, which will allow the adoption of complex changes to the legislation and the introduction of the institution of multiple citizenship and will allow all ethnic ukrainians to have our citizenship. and their descendants from different countries of the world, of course, except for citizens the country of the aggressor. mr. oleksiy, for the second time in the last four years, zelenskyi has introduced a law on multiple, multiple citizenship, what do you say about it, that was the promise of president zelenskyi in 2019 that all ukrainians who are... outside

ukraine will be able to get passports , if they have other passports, and now novella has been added, what besides those who live in russia? well, first of all, i am not yet... in the draft law, this is important, because we are talking about a specific legislative act, and of course, i will be able to comment in this way then, when i get acquainted with the text of the bill, well, the fact that this is an issue for ukraine, and it is on the agenda, obviously, and today, probably, especially when millions of ukrainians are abroad, by the way, i can share breaking news with you. i literally just before being included in your broadcast was elected president of the committee on migration, refugees and displaced persons, parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, this is the first time a ukrainian headed this committee, became the president of this committee, thank you very much, this also means that i entered in the office

of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe , the governing body, and certainly for us this topic is super relevant, unfortunately, today, because today millions of ukrainians are forced... displaced people, or internally displaced persons, or refugees abroad, and therefore, and, unfortunately , this is not the first time in the history of ukraine that this has happened, and during the last 100 years there were several such waves when ukrainians, unfortunately, part of our population were forced to leave their native places, today there are millions of ukrainians all over the world, and many of them ... them identity, love for ukraine , feels like a ukrainian, i believe that it is absolutely normal to give these people the opportunity, or also to obtain ukrainian citizenship, and this is correct, we have many children who left in 22, who may be part of among them

, those who have already lived abroad for two years will already obtain citizenship of other countries, but it is very important for us to preserve them for ukraine as well, so this is also one of the issues, but i repeat, i support the fact that the issue itself is very relevant. but i don't know what exactly the president prescribed in his draft law, how as soon as his text appears, i will definitely read it thoroughly and decide for myself, maybe prepare edits, because this topic is really important. mr. oleksiyu, the adviser of the office of the president of ukraine serhii leshchenko said in an interview... to the swiss newspaper tages anzeiger that europe should stop aid to ukrainian refugees and return them to ukraine, saying that everything should be done to make ukrainians feel comfortably in ukraine and worked here, not

everyone necessarily went to the front, but europe should encourage ukrainians still want to preserve the ukrainian state and, as he believes. europe should contribute to this, how do you feel about such an idea and , in general, can this be perceived as the official position of the president's office, since leshchenko is an adviser to the president's office? well, to be honest , this, you know, i wanted mr. serhii to say it to the eyes of, for example, a woman with children who escaped from mariupol and, for example, lives in germany today, for example, i really do too. wants all ukrainians to be at home, but where should she return? let's add more that if today ukraine has compensation mechanisms for damaged or destroyed housing in the territory controlled by ukraine, then we do not have

a compensation and support mechanism in the uncontrolled territory, that is, for example, the city of mariupol, the city of bakhmud, the city of severodonetsk, lysicha, well, others cities, well, i want , well, you know, this is some kind of bullying, these people, instead of thanking europe for helping these ukrainians of ours, who are forced, yes, if we are talking about a man, of draft age, healthy, which is illegal crossed the border, who has an apartment in the city of kyiv, odesa or lviv, which has not been destroyed by anyone or anything, who is simply hiding, well... what is my relationship with such a man, i think, and all ukrainians have a different relationship, but if we are talking about women, children, if we are talking about those whose, whose cities are occupied, whose lives are broken, well, this is a very, well, i can’t find the words, it is a very wrong

, cynical position, maybe you want to believe, maybe someone misunderstood somewhere, but well , i think that the president's office has something to react and somehow give... so about this, because i repeat myself, i am here now, today is the first day of the january, winter session of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, i am constantly here thanking all my colleagues, first of all poland. germany, the czech republic, these are the countries that romania, in which there are a large number of ukrainian refugees, for the fact that they support them, i repeat once again, many of those people, these, these are people who lost, well, if not everything, then very a lot of things, and, well, and to declare that let's take away all the support from them, well this, well that it sounds crazy, and even from a pragmatic point of view, well, let's imagine that today these people, i repeat once again, we are not talking about those who can fight and so on. and these poor people, those who found refuge abroad, well, today

they say, well, they heard about leshchenko, and everyone is returning, and what are the opportunities in the ukrainian budget to pay them at least some kind of support, some kind of help, we already seeing attempts to limit payments to internally displaced persons, which is absolutely wrong, so just let's all, i i understand, you know, we all live in terrible conditions, rockets fall on our heads, shaheds, this is all true, but... the people who suffered more than others, first of all, are those who lost relatives and loved ones, and secondly - you are the one who lost your cities, your homes, and , unfortunately, there are millions of such people in ukraine, imagine this number, so this is some kind of crazy statement, i want the president's office to refute it there, to comment accordingly, well, what if this is the official position of the president's office, so i don't even know what can be done here to say, well, it's just madness, it's wrong from the point of view of morality and ethics. and this is wrong from the point of view of the budget, prospects in ukraine, strategy and attitude towards these

ukrainians, well, you can’t do that, man today, i’m sorry for taking so long to answer, but this is a super important topic, today there is a struggle for people all over the world, and we have to fight for those ukrainians, i know that there are people who hesitate there, yes, someone went abroad, but we are sitting inside ukraine, rockets are falling on our heads, and this is also a certain dividing line between ukrainians, unfortunately, but today is the day... of ukraine's strictness. i want to remind. let's not pay attention to these things. because our task is to be united. our task is to maintain contact with those abroad in order to bring back as many of them as possible. not all of them will return, but as many of them as possible should return to ukraine sooner or later, because we need them, because this is their land. and it is together that we must rebuild ukraine. who will rebuild ukraine, if not ukrainians? therefore , this is a very wild and strange statement. and i. not fooled, well, you are right in saying that

in order to return people, it is not necessary to take away from them what they have in europe, but it is necessary to create conditions in ukraine so that it is easier for these people to return, so that they have somewhere to return, because many people really lost their homes in the east, on south, and not only in other cities of ukraine, where russian missiles hit. today, zelensky entrusted the authorities. to make an action plan for the preservation of the national identity of ukrainians in russia, who live on the lands historically inhabited by them in the territory of the current krasnodar krai, bilhorodsk, bryansk, voronezh, kursk, rostov regions, in russia it was immediately perceived as an encroachment on russian territory, medvedev came out and said that ukrainians are the same russians, and here, in principle, it is necessary to end ukraine... because ukraine - this is russia in general, and this rhetoric, which he constantly during the last period

quite actively torpedoes, what and how ukraine can do now for ukrainians living in russia and vice versa, what ukrainians living in russia can do for ukraine, because we we know that there is the largest diaspora there, more than 1 million ukrainians, and a completely logical question arises, if they sit there and remain silent and do not show themselves in any way... regarding the war in ukraine, then the question is, what kind of historical justice, justice, in relation to the lands historically inhabited by them can we put here in ukraine, look, i actually support this decree of zelenskyi, in 2019 i created an inter-factional association of the kuban in the ukrainian parliament, and when it comes to the krasnodar region, it is precisely the kuban, you see even on. .. on the screenshot that you show in the kuban, there it is emphasized that this kuban goes first, and indeed,

and there in the kuban 100 years ago, 60% of the population were ukrainian-speaking, and after the collapse of the russian empire, the kuban wanted to join the ukrainian people's republic, these are all historical facts, historically confirmed, recorded, and when i created it in the 19th year, colleagues from the servant of the people, some. they laughed at something on this topic and said that these are such cubans, it’s all not serious, you see, the 24th year is coming, president zelenskyi issues a decree about what should be mentioned about ukrainians in cuba. and about that, about the history of the kuban, i think it is correct, firstly, this corresponds to the history of history, and indeed historically these lands were inhabited by ukrainians, secondly, people with ukrainian identity remain there even today, yes, of course, that during a full-scale war ,

it is difficult to imagine how we work with these people there, extend a hand to them, but in any case, this is still such a task that ukraine will face. in the future, i'm totally into it i have absolutely no doubt, that is why i believe that this is the right decree, i believe that we should remind the world what the territories really are, when they are always talking about the fact that the russian cities, odesa, there are others, we need to remind them that today they have ukrainian lands as part of their territory, and this is absolutely true. normal and right, so i support here and think that this is the right step. today, as you already said, the winter session of the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe began in strasbourg, on thursday there are plans debate under the urgent procedure on the situation of children of ukraine. your colleague, victoria syumar , for some reason was not allowed to attend the parye meeting, she did

not arrive, although she had an official invitation from the council of europe. how is it going? this separation, who gets there for the couples' meeting, who, who is not good, how, how did you get there? well, i am a member of the delegation of ukraine, and i got there together with the whole delegation, but really, that’s right, they also regularly try not to let me out there, and in recent weeks there was a whole epic with an attempt to throw me out of the parliamentary the assembly of the council of europe from the delegation of ukraine, there was a whole effort of the authorities to do this, but nothing came of it. well, in the end, in seven minutes, so you understand, ukraine submitted its delegation in pairs 7 minutes before the deadline, that is, until the moment when it was no longer possible to send it at all, that is , until the last moment, they hoped to come up with something to to somehow lose, well , it was primarily about me, and regarding victoria syumar, absolutely, unfortunately, this

is another time, like maria yonova, ivana klimpushadze, iryna gerashchenko, petro poroshenko, volodymyr ariev. other colleagues, to whom the speaker of the parliament stefanchuk absolutely illegally did not give permission, did not sign these orders for our business trips, for my personal ones, for theirs, here is the latest case with victoria, it is absolutely outrageous, and victoria syumar had to go, there was a separate anti-corruption program , as a representative of the anti-corruption committee, and if you understand, everyone can see everything there too, and at the same event there will be questions about how it happened that... for some reason the ukrainian deputy did not arrive, that she did not want to, or it cannot, and this is already causing, in the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe , a separate report is already being prepared on the free access of parliamentarians to their work, on the example of ukraine, unfortunately, that is , what is being done today by the leadership of the verkhovna rada, i think that with the agreement of an instruction from the president's office, has already become a topic of discussion in

europe, everyone can see this, and it does not give ukraine absolutely anything today... but what, well, what signals does the ukrainian government send, when those were released, those were not released, you can, you can't, they constantly divide us, divide, divide, it is very bad, it is bad from all points of view, because it is pressure on the opposition, because it is a division of ukrainian society, because it is a weakening of ukrainian parliamentary diplomacy abroad, well, they would throw me out of the delegation , ukraine would lose me today, that is, i was formally present today. elected already if this happened, but the decision was made there more than a week ago, and if they had achieved their goal and were able to remove me from the delegation, then ukraine would have lost the position of president committee on migration issues, i would lose the position of a member of the bureau, well, tell me that this would give ukraine at least something, well , the answer is obvious, and by the way, i will immediately say to those who

can say, well, maybe in this way they want to save budget funds there funds, neither i, nor victoria syumar, never... nor my other colleagues since february 24, 2022, have taken a single penny, not a single penny, for any foreign business trip, usually it is financed, as a couple, it is all financed in pairs, if other business trips, those countries that host that is, we do not take a single penny from the budget for this, but at the same time we use these platforms as much as possible to promote ukrainian interests, so this is a very wrong decision, these are very wrong actions, another evidence that ruslan stefanchuk... he is such, you know, top the head of the verkhovna rada of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic, not the ukrain of independent ukraine. well , that's valentina shevchenko, i understood. thank you sir. oleksiy for the conversation, it was oleksiy honcharenko, people's deputy of ukraine from strasbourg. friends, we work directly on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who

are currently watching us on these platforms, please like this video so that the wine is trending on youtube and facebook. well, take part in our survey. today we ask you about this, do you support multiple citizenship in ukraine? yes, no, if you're on youtube, it's pretty simple, either yes, or no, or on... comment below this video, what do you think about it, if you 're watching us on tv, get your hands on it smartphone or phone and vote if you support multiple citizenship in ukraine (0800-211-381), no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have maksym zhorin, deputy commander of the third separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine. former commander of the azov regiment, major of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. maxim, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. i congratulate you. let's start with the situation in

russia, because during the last week we saw how our defense forces strike at the infrastructure, at the military infrastructure, at the critical infrastructure of russia. the russian plant novatek in ust-luz. of the leningrad region, which is engaged in the processing of gas condensate, stopped working after the attack of ukrainian drones, this was reported not only by the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, but also by bloomberg. russian air defense does not cover the leningrad region well, since it was created to protect against strikes from the northwest, and not from the south, that is, from ukraine. do the latter testify regular strikes on objects on the territory of russia about a gradual change in the nature of the russian-ukrainian war. moving the war into enemy territory , mr. major, well at this point i think it's too early to say it's

moved, but we're obviously on that path, and we should be on that path, the logic should be this: we we must now concentrate our attention not only on deterring or destroying the enemy there directly on the front line, but also... we must necessarily work on his territory, this is absolutely necessary it is an integral part of the complex for our victory, namely strikes, work on its infrastructure, work on the territory that considers itself peaceful there, we have to deal with all this today, and all this directly affects... our victory. our ability to strike the territory of the russian federation is also affected by its lack of long-range taurus missiles, so

far germany is delaying the provision of these missiles. great britain promises us long-range missiles, but it is not known whether there will be a clause in the transfer of the agreement, whether it is possible to use these missile strikes on russian territory. federation, and for now the question remains open regarding the long-range missiles promised by emmanuel macron last week, 40 scalp missiles, which he has to transfer to ukraine and the radius operates there from 256 to 560 km, why do you think, mr. major, the west is afraid of strikes on the territory of the russian federation, or is the answer quite simple because putin has... nuclear weapons? no, i think that the issue is not nuclear weapons, or rather not only nuclear weapons, my personal opinion is that the western partners, what

especially for european countries, they are currently weak in their understanding of what they can do, and what can happen to them. they are quite afraid today of any such normal movements in general, yes, they are afraid of transmission, they are afraid every time, what will happen, and what if, although in their place you have to think, what will happen to them if they are not today help us? the position is very weak, the position is very like that, generally sluggish, the europeans are actually playing with this one. er with it because it carries danger for them too. russia sees very well that the europeans are simply unable to be categorical or decisive there today. and russia

will not forgive this, it will definitely take advantage of it, and if today there is an accident, as it were, sometimes russian missiles fly over the territory of european countries, then tomorrow they can fly there not by accident, and nuclear weapons today, i think there is no point in being afraid, i think it can happen. that it will be used, but there is nothing to be afraid of today no sense, because the level of yes, in general , in the world now, it is so high that nuclear weapons are no longer the greatest calamity that can await civilization, mr. major, why do you think

the west... our western partners , why do they not talk about the next stage to which the international community should approach after the stage of helping ukraine, this is the demilitarization of russia, this is the deputization of russia, this is the creation of conditions for the creation of new security rules in europe, first of all, and in the world as well, why are they afraid talk about what putin is new... why are they afraid that putin threatens absolutely everything, why are they afraid to say that all the weapons they had, except nuclear, they have already used, that is , the war that europe is so afraid of is already going on, and this europe and this war is the biggest continental war since the second world war, well you actually partly answered this question, the fact is that europeans today

really saw that ... it is extremely difficult for them to resist modern war, europeans played in the dream of security, because that's what it is there were dreams, and none of them today can guarantee anyone's safety, today there is no one in the world at all who could, could guarantee someone's safety, that's what we came to, the europeans realized it, they saw it, and now they are afraid of it , in what position they... found themselves and today their position is connected precisely with the fact that they came to the realization that it was not ukraine that was not ready for the fact that russia would attack us, but europe was not ready for it , and now watching the war unfold, at what scale, at what scale, at what technological level, europe needs to think about... how

to secure itself, because the issue of security, it, it is no longer in the world, well, it simply does not exist, it is impossible for anyone today generally guarantee or believe that tomorrow will be safe. mr. major, let's return to the situation on the eastern front, the russian occupiers continue to press along the entire front line, and the defense forces repulsed most of the enemy attacks in the vdiivsk direction, the general staff of the armed forces reports. of ukraine, for according to the institute of war studies of the united states of america, russian troops advanced in the area of ​​the tsarskaya okhota restaurant, along sobornii street in the south of avdiivka, and along a strip of trees in the southwest of avdiivka. yurii botusa, a military journalist, writes about the critical situation in avdiivka, where the bahamian scenario may repeat itself. how do you, mr. major, assess this situation now, because for

most of our tv viewers, well... obviously, where is the area of ​​the tsarska okhota restaurant or soborna street, it does not give an idea, can you characterize the situation that is currently developing in avdiivka, and to what extent it can develop from the side of the russian federation towards the ukrainian defense forces. in fact, in general, it will be quite difficult for a civilian to realize and understand what events are happening at the front, and this is obvious, because , well, no one except those who are homeless. the average person there will not be able to understand and grasp everything that is actually happening now, not only in the avdeivka area, the situation is difficult , i will not say that the bakhmut situation can be repeated directly, because it is different and the tactical position differs now there, including the opportunities there, and the terrain, well, that is, a lot of points, if there is

a direct generalization, then of course... you can somehow compare it somewhere.