pennies usually finance it in pairs , we finance it all in pairs, if there are other business trips , then those are the countries that accept, that is, we do not take a single budget penny for this, but at the same time we use these platforms as much as possible to promote ukrainian interests, so this is very wrong decision, these are very wrong actions, another proof that ruslan stefanchuk, he is, you know, the supreme head of the verkhovna rada of the ukrainian soviet socialist republic, and not of ukraine. of independent ukraine, well, that's valentina shevchenko, i understood. thank you sir oleksiy, thank you for the conversation, it was oleksiy honcharenko, people's deputy of ukraine from strasbourg. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please like this video so that it can be trended on youtube and facebook, and take part in our survey, we are asking you today whether you support multiple citizenship. in

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of russia, the russian plant novatek in ust-luz, leningrad region, which is engaged in the processing of gas condensate, stopped working after an attack by ukrainian drones, this was reported not only by the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, but also by bloomberg. russian air defense does not cover leningrad well region, as it was created to protect against attacks from the northwest, and not from the south, that is, from ukraine. are there evidence of recent regular strikes on the object? on the territory of russia about the change in the nature of the russian- ukrainian war, the gradual transfer of the war to the territory of the enemy, mr. major? well, at this point i think it's too early to say that it's been moved, but we 're obviously on that path, and we have to be on that path, the logic has to be this: we have to focus now on more than just because... there directly on the front line

to deter or destroy the enemy, but we must also work on his territory, this is necessary, it is in general an integral part of the complex for our victory, namely strikes, work on his infrastructure, work on the territory that considers itself calm there, all this... we have to deal with it today, and all this directly affects our victory. the lack of long-range missiles also affects our ability to strike the territory of the russian federation. taurus, so far germany delays the provision of these missiles. great britain promises us long-range missiles, but it is not known whether there will be a clause in the transfer agreement. these missiles can be used to strike

the territory of the russian federation, and the long-range missiles promised by emmanuel macron last week are 40 scalp missiles, which he is to hand over to ukraine with a range of 256 to 560 km. why do you think, mister major, the west is afraid of strikes on... the russian federation, or is the answer quite simple because putin has a nuclear weapon? no, i think that the issue is not about nuclear weapons, or rather not only about nuclear weapons, my personal opinion is that the western partners, what especially concerns the european countries, they are currently weak in their understanding of the fact that, yes, ... what, what they can,

yes, and what can happen to them, they are quite afraid today of any such normal movements in general. yes, they are afraid of the transfer, they are afraid every time, and what will happen, and what if, although in their place you have to think, and what will happen to them if they are not here today help us? the position is very weak, the position is very like this, generally lethargic, the europeans are actually playing with this and that, because it is dangerous for them as well. russia sees very well that the europeans will not ... they can simply be categorical or decisive there today, and russia will not forgive it, it will certainly take advantage of it, and if by chance there today, yes, sometimes russian missiles

fly by there over the territory of european countries, then tomorrow they can fly there by accident, and nuclear weapons for today today i think that... there is no point in being afraid, i believe that it may happen that it will be used, but there is no point in being afraid today, because the level, yes, in general , in the world now of military tension, it is so high, that nuclear weapons are no longer the greatest calamity that can await civilization. mr. major, why do you think the west, our western partners, why are they not talking about the next stage that the international community should approach, after the stage of helping ukraine, which is the demilitarization of russia,

this is the deputization of russia, this is the creation of conditions regarding the creation of new safety rules in europe, first of all, well, in the world. also, why are they afraid to say that putin is the new hitler, why are they afraid that putin threatens absolutely everything, why are they afraid to say that all the weapons they had, except for nuclear, they have already used them, that is, the war that europe is so afraid of, it is already underway, and this europe, and this war is the largest continental war since the second world war, well, you actually partly from... answered this question, the fact is that the europeans today they really saw that it is extremely difficult for them to resist a modern war, the europeans indulged in dreams of security, because these were exactly dreams, and none of them today

can guarantee security to anyone, today in general there is no one in the world who could, could to guarantee someone's safety, that's what we came to, and the europeans were aware of it, they saw it, and now they are afraid of the situation in which they found themselves, and today their position is connected precisely with what is happening to them came the realization that it was not ukraine is ready for the fact that russia will attack us, and europe was not ready for this, and now, observing how the war is going on , on what scale it is, on what technological level. so, europe needs to think about how to secure itself, because the issue of security is no longer in the world, well, it simply does not exist, it is impossible today to guarantee or

believe that tomorrow will be safe. mr. major, let's return to the situation on the eastern front, the russian invaders continue to press along the entire front line, and almost. enemy attacks were repelled by the defense forces in the vdiyiv direction, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports. according to the institute for the study of war of the united states of america, russian troops advanced in the area of ​​the tsarska okhota restaurant, along soborny street in the south of avdiivka, and along a strip of trees in the southwest of avdiivka. yuriy botusa, a military journalist, writes about the critical situation in avdiivka, where the bahamian scenario may repeat itself. how are you? major, you are currently assessing this situation, because for most of our tv viewers, it is obvious where this is the tsarska okhota restaurant area or soborna street, it does not give an idea, can you describe the situation that is currently developing in avdiivka, and to what extent it can

develop from the side of the russian federation towards the ukrainian defense forces? in fact, in general , it will be quite difficult for a civilian to realize and understand which ones. events are taking place at the front and this is obvious, because no one except those who are directly there will be able to understand and understand everything that is happening now. in fact, not only in the avdeivka area, the situation is difficult in i not i will say that the bakhmut situation may be repeated directly, because the tactical situation is also different , the opportunities and the terrain are different now there , that is, there are a lot of points . i don't think that this is... catastrophic, critical for today, i and we must understand that the war

today looks like the enemy has accumulated forces, accumulated forces, he used them, i can tell you for sure that the enemy most of those he was preparing he had already destroyed in his attempted attacks without achieving the success he had hoped for, but our problem is that, unfortunately, the russians still have enough internal potential to build up again , to recruit, equip units, equip them with equipment and send them to continue offensive actions, therefore the situation is complex, it can change both in one direction and in the other, it is very important to simply understand that, well , our realities are such, we live under ... time of war, and in this war, sometimes we will have to retreat, and sometimes we will have

to buy, accumulate strength in order to move forward, easy battles and or there for victories tomorrow after lunch, well, it will not happen, we must stop believing in this and realize that it is difficult and it is difficult in the avdiiv region, and in the kupyansk region, and it is difficult in the lyman, and in the south, too. now the battles are going on, so everyone should be aware and prepare for the fact that we still need a lot of our own forces to fight, because the enemy still has these forces, about our own forces, mr. major, the government today is finalizing the bill on mobilization, the first version of the law, or the bill was rejected in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, meanwhile zelenskyi... stated in an interview with a british tv channel that he does not see

the need to mobilize 500 thousand ukrainians, let's hear what the supreme commander of the armed forces said forces of ukraine, personally, for now i do not see the need to mobilize half a million people, i will tell you yes, yes, i think so. yes, not because i want to somehow answer now and be liked by someone, it's just that these are people who, it's not only life, life number one, and the second story - these are appropriate actions, there are appropriate operations, and therefore today i have not yet seen enough clear details to say that half a million must be mobilized. this is the second, the third, i'd just like to tell you that it's still money, uh, and no matter how one

feels about it, all these finances, they definitely don't come from partners. mr. major, can you explain why the figure of 500,000 mobilized people is constantly being used, although the brave head of the armed forces of ukraine said about the fact that this is not a one-time thing, but is it over the course of a year? over a longer period of time, it is necessary to attract more conscripts to the armed forces of ukraine, it is necessary to change those who are at the front, you, being at the front and at the forefront, you, you, you understand the logic of that, what is happening now with mobilization, what is missing in order to simply tell people that there will be mobilization, otherwise there will be mobilization into the army of the russian federation, if the russian federation goes further into ukraine? this is the main

problem of mobilization is that with this completely normal, completely logical process is created by a show, in this show quite effectively, by the way, the russian federation also takes part, which likes it very much while we are here. we discuss with ourselves, quarrel, sort things out and everything else. the question of mobilization is mandatory, it is inseparable, and there is absolutely nothing extraordinary in... this process , the process of mobilization must take place constantly, we just need to leave this hysteria, leave all these e-informational show-programs around this issue, because well, we have to register everyone, at least all the men, understand how many

we have, in what condition they are, and then call up to the army exactly those who are needed in the army today, and not recruit who was caught, or who is there , who, who remained, the question of mobilization, it is quite complex, and it is not only there in the problem in the tsc or in statements, the question of mobilization, it, well, it is necessary to change the systemic approach to this in general, and it includes training of personnel, informing the population, and... work with population in terms of preparing it for the new conditions and realities of life in which we find ourselves, today a lot of attention is paid to this issue of unnecessary things in general, although in fact this process does not

have anything extraordinary, strange, we are at war and it is absolutely clear that we need to conduct a mobilization in order to... replenish the army in order to really give someone a rest, but someone is using it there simply by manipulating the figure, which is still not clear, where they got it from, and they just get away with it hysteria in society, although there are no reasons for this, as a year ago there was a mobilization in the country, so it is happening now and will continue to happen as long as we are in a state. war mr. mayor, russia articulates its position and says that there is no ukraine, there are no ukrainians, it is all russia. medvedev, no matter how ironically he is treated there in ukraine, but he says what putin has in mind, that we will go to the end, and no matter how long it is, 10 or 50

years, we will fight, and we will destroy ukraine and... ukrainians, what do you think should change now in ukraine with approaches to war so that this war is not only a war for those who are on the front or those who are in the armed forces of ukraine, because this awareness should be universal, and this is the plan of how to confront russia, and not for one year, but for 10-20 years. 50 years in order for ukraine to get used to living in war and to understand that next to us is an obnoxious neighbor who at any moment can enter our territory and start doing what they they started doing it at the age of 14-22. all ukrainians must first of all stop living in dreams

, hopes and memories, the way it was before, the way it was before will no longer be the same, the world has changed a lot and in... it has changed first of all here today, so there is no point in waiting , when it will be as before, there is no point in dreaming about how we would like it, or how it could possibly be, there is, as it is, there is a reality in which we all find ourselves, and therefore the only correct way out today is the first, it is to prepare for the conditions and realities in which we live today we are. and the second is to join the joint work for victory, only in this case the nation will unite, become monolithic again, because at the moment i do not think that we have preserved this monolithicity that was at the very beginning, we have again become to be distracted by absolute delusion , which today is not worth anything, that is why

unification, awareness of reality, acceptance of this reality, preparation for it and mobilization of everyone for these processes, mobilization is meant not for the army, but mobilization your internal, absolutely everyone , no matter where they are, if you work, you work for victory, if you serve in the army, then you serve and fight for victory, and so every ukrainian must determine his place in which he approaching victory. thank you, mr. mayor, for the conversation, it was maksym zhorin. deputy commander of the third separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, major of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms and facebook. for those who watch us on youtube and facebook, please like this video and take part in our vote, today we ask you about whether you support multiple citizenship

in ukraine, yes, no, vote on youtube, vote on tv , if you watch us on tv, you can pick up a smartphone and vote if you support multiple citizenship in ukraine, 0.800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to... numbers are free, a politician, a diplomat joins our program , foreign minister of ukraine in 2014-19 pavlo klimkin. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings, greetings, greetings to all, friends, i am also glad to be with you. mr. pavle, today the prime minister of poland, donald tusk, visited kyiv and said that poland is joining. to the g7 joint declaration of support for ukraine, and also promised to facilitate ukraine's accession to the european union as soon as possible. let's listen to what

donald tusk said while in kyiv. we agreed with mr. president of the role of poland, which will endeavor to assist in all aspects of the accession process. so that the full membership of ukraine in the eu will quickly become a fact, we will also cooperate in all other formats, that is why i informed mr. president that today poland joined the declaration of the g7 group, the declaration that was formed at the nato summit in vilnius, this declaration has mobilize. mr. pavle, this declaration, which

was announced at the summit in vilnius and is now being talked about by all our western partners. doesn't this mean that on washington summit ukraine, well, apart from this declaration, which was in vilnius, nothing else awaits. well, this does not mean that we should stop and say that even tusk joined the declaration, and if so, even poland is not planning anything more. first of all, we are in reality, and in general reality this year, when there will be a lot of unpredictable and completely surprising things that will fall on our heads... when we have elections there more often than once a week in different countries . secondly, the fact that the poles started logic

security obligations, this is an important story, we need to talk with them, we need to talk about the supply of weapons, about logistics, because without them, in fact, there is no way, and about many different things, but... as they say in odessa, these are two big differences. security obligations are one thing, but security guarantees are quite another. by the way, i am also somewhat skeptical about what may happen at the washington summit. and i say this, reading somewhat the mood in the states and in many european countries. and... and reading the mood, that until the end of the war, what the end is, is of course a separate question, it is unlikely that our

partners are ready to talk about the fact that we are becoming allies in their own right, but one does not cancel and in no way negates the other, what will happen in the process of such a transformative transition to nato. is critically important for us, but this in no way cancels or negates the need to work on safe guarantees, and here i see only two options: or bilateral guarantees, as such a temporary transition, it can be american guarantees, it is things, there could be european guarantees or a combination of them, there is a lot of talk about it now, or directly nato without... the stage of bilateral or multilateral guarantees, but i emphasize, these are two different stories, the security commitments that donald tusk is talking about, in the context

accession to... the declaration of the seven and actually security guarantees, and there and there it is about security, but a completely different quality of security, so that the washington summit, what i hear, i treat, unfortunately, with considerable skepticism, but how you know i'm a real fan of our membership in nato, and i don't see any options that this membership, in fact, can become today... i participate in many discussions and have not yet heard a single conscious proposal that would actually even, even indirectly, reach the level of participation of ours in nato, moreover, it is not that nato is not unheard of, but that fitz, now robert fitz, prime minister

of slovakia, is very actively heard against. he spoke out against ukraine joining nato, said that the only way to end the war is to surrender to the russians part of ukrainian territories. let's hear what he said. ukraine is not a sovereign and independent country. ukraine is under the full influence of the united states of america. there has to be some compromise. what do they expect, that the russians will leave crimea, donbas and luhansk, it is unrealistic. i am frankly. speaking, i cannot understand that neither the prime minister of slovakia nor the prime minister of hungary, countries that at one time suffered from the soviet military boot, from the soviet army, constantly talk about the fact that we are under someone's influence, that we are not there we have no chance in this war and in general, there is some logical explanation for the behavior of both robert

fizo and viktor orban. what is this position related to? and i can understand , unfortunately, i do not see anything unusual or unexpected in this position, and i would actually share the position of orbán, who plays a strategic game, who knows what he is doing, who started the fight not only for money, but for his positions, for... for positions in brussels, and most importantly for, as he believes, the leader of the conservative european movement, some new right-wing he believes that those who would be partners of the republicans, or read trump, who were ready and able to talk with china, but also with putin, will definitely appear and will now strengthen, that is, orbán is playing a strategic game,

he has long... to was she preparing, is fitza playing a strategy game? i don't see it yet, fitz has his own difficult internal politics, slovakia, again, unfortunately, the most pro-russian country in central europe, it's always been like that, but now it's showing, and the fact that they voted for fitz is the same no way... some surprise, this is, unfortunately, a state of today's slovak in domestic politics, and hungary and slovakia, as you know, are parts of the european union and nato, so we still have to see and talk separately about who depends on whom. all the logic about leaving us to the whole zone again, it

will definitely be eliminated. but for fitz it is better to somehow slip between the droplets, the edge of the rain, as they sometimes say in our country, i like it even more, since it is no longer about the droplets, and to maintain some kind of relationship with everyone, to maintain one's position in the internal politics, so he is playing a completely clear, understandable story, but... this is not an orban story, the fact that they have a situational coalition today does not mean that they will, as of today, play a strategic joint game. i think it's a tactical coalition. however, fitz, when he says he's against aid, he 's not saying we can't buy arms from slovakia, especially since...