i think that this thought is always in the head of the president himself, as well, because there is a certain fork of opportunities, on the one hand, there is a great temptation to hold elections in this situation, when he, the president of a warring country, and so, so to speak, take advantage with all the advantages of the legitimacy of this status, on the other hand , it is true that all these reservations, which president zelenskyi just voiced, are very significant, and they actually, well, make this, such a decision impossible, if zelenskyi himself or his team were to make it, therefore, that is why there is this, so to speak, pass in the direction of the verkhovna rada, maybe some initiatives will appear there , how is it possible to do it, well, at putin's... they found,

came up with, there, although there were also different options, that is, it seems to me that there is no solution , think, once again, the presidential team, there will be more more than once, and, in general, it seems to me that this topic, it sounds quite artificial in ukrainian society now, and i didn't, i didn't see it. the plot, whether the journalist asked zelenskyi himself about the probability of this election, or whether it was initiated by himself, so to speak, president zelenskyi, the journalist asked, the journalist asked and no, well if he is a journalist, then there is no news as such, as for me, well, yes, he said the usual understandable things and there is no solution for today, well, but in the conditions when there is a war with... of course, there should be no elections

and there is no such possibility to hold these elections on the one hand, and on the other hand, russia says that we will fight until the very last, and, as medvedev said, whether it is 10 or 50 years, however long it takes for russia to to destroy ukraine, and how to be in this situation, mr. viktor? with on the one hand, there is the elected government. in the 19th year , i.e. 5 years ago, on the other hand, there is this uncertain time of the war, how long this war will last, or does this mean that throughout this period the power will be in the hands of one group of people, one party, in fact a monopoly, and how will it generally correspond to the fact that, well, somehow the political elites have to change and... democracy has

to work, well, on the one hand, i, well, i claim that there is no pass in the direction of the parliament, because both the parliament and the government we are controlled by the president's office, and even myself the president admitted at his last meeting that decisions are made by five or six people, well, very effective managers who cooperate with him, that is... all decisions, assumptions, draft decisions, yes, this is still a project, is made in a narrow circle , what should be said about the office of the president , they constantly monitor the situation in the country, and i can see it, by the way, it is better in the regions than in kyiv, it is easier to get lost in kyiv, but here i am, for example, in sumy, then here it is clear. that everyone

who is close to sociology knows each other, and if they order one from the office research, i may not know the details, and actually, i haven’t seen the entire sample, yes, if i knew, i know that the sample there is 60-70 people for the entire region, someday i can ask hunters , who, at least, what are the questions, yes, there is something else somewhere, sometimes not, but i assure you that this question is monitored all the time, and what they give us... then the part that is given as official, yes , for example, and possibly true, uh, this is a relationship to, well, how much do you trust or do not trust the president, zelensky, including, they they see that trust in him is falling, and that's why the president's office wants to hold elections while there is an electoral base, while it is possible to really win there even from one round, yes. if

we especially eliminate the main competitor, about which we all guess, yes, who is the main competitor, that is also very cool during the war, yes, the generals fight, they don't like it, but we choose here. the president, everything is very cool, that's why at the moment this group of people who really make decisions, and who pinch the president, because he reigns, the fair rules, yes, let's put it this way, then they , well, not a collective fair, yes, then they just want elections, they really want elections, but they want presidential elections, because they understand that there will not be a constitutional majority in the parliament itself, well how important is it to the parliamentarians, they... understand that many people will not get into the parliament, and that is why it is possible to keep their mandate longer, that is why they would like to have an equation with many unknowns, but they really want it, but if the rating drops below of some level, yes zelenskyi, then they will change the strategy to 180° and indeed, as my colleague says, they will

continue to drag out these elections there and on them for 50 years or... at least 30, it will be enough, the only thing is that all the bears who talk about it, they are ready says , to fight for 30 years, our kuleba is ready to fight with shovels, but it all depends on whether the armies are ready to fight and whose army will fall first, but i am sure that we have more motivations, so we will win, but the prolongation of the war may be then, well, at least there the war can be fought to a victorious end, and that's it we went to the borders in 1991, and there were three skirmishes an hour, that can also be declared as a war, well, somewhere like that. thank you, mr. viktor, mr. igor, if zelensky were to say, let's say, in the current situation, i don't want a second presidential term, and the question is not about me at all,

the question is democracy, the question is electability, the question is the change of political elites, the question is , so that the state develops, so that we are not like ... russia, when the presidential elections turn into putin's elections. if he had said it and put the emphasis clearly, or it would be clear to everyone, both in the country and for the political elite, that the question is not about the personal interests or interests of the team of zelensky, yarmak, i don't know who podalyak, stefanchuk is there, the question is that he, as the guarantor of the constitution. takes care of the rights of citizens who can vote and are ready to vote, of course, if he said so, from such a moral and ethical point of view and to some extent from a political point of view, it would be a very telling signal that we are really focused on victory, all

election issues will be resolved without me after we win this victory, but one must understand that he will not do it for two reasons, and by the way, one of these reasons is correct and objective: if someone there did not treat the current head of state, she connected with the fact that if the current head of state makes such a statement, well, it leads to the disorganization of his team. many have lost any desire to work, to do something at all, since the president actually says that i am going there, well, it is clear that this is an open date and we are in a state of war, but it will act as a demotivator on many of those who are now near the president, and the second point, well, he won't say it, because i think he... is very actively forming and has already formed to a large extent his image of the future, in which the country cannot cope and cope without zelensky, the justification here can be, for example, the thesis that there will be a second term, although we promised one,

because we could not spend the first normally, the war interfered on a large scale, accordingly, we did not do everything to we planned, therefore such statements will not be made now and they will not be made in the future, but with regard to ... whether the office is thinking about the elections, and i think they are thinking every day, considering various scenarios, options, and here is one very important clarification , colleagues mentioned it in one way or another, it still depends on the intensity of the war, on what will happen specifically at the front, if we imagine that in a year the war will enter there, well, for example, we take a pessimistic scenario, at most frozen a stalemate such a situation, when no one is moving anywhere, everything turns exclusively into skirmishes there on the front line. and there are no shelling of the territory of ukraine in general, well, believe me, they will return to the issue of elections very quickly, and they will return, including through the statements that will begin to be heard by our colleagues. this is the first scenario. the second scenario, let 's imagine a situation where our western colleagues can start actively talking about the need for elections, because they will

consider it necessary for ukraine to have a re-elected government that will sign some kind of peace treaty with russia, which, to put it mildly, will not be accepted very positively by the majority of communities. of ukraine, but nevertheless, which will end the war, which some of our partners may be interested in, in the future, i'm not saying now, fortunately there is no such critical mass today. this option is also possible. well, in the end there is a third option, even in this interview president zelenskyi said one interesting phrase, he said it in previous interviews, about the fact that we still have no opportunities to conduct elections in an electronic format, and if such an opportunity arises , if they think about it for a long time, they will hold discussions again with our partners, they will say that yes, a normal system can work, yes, if there is a danger of this experiment, but difficult times, they give rise to difficult decisions, let's say, such elections are better than no elections at all, and the problem will be solved, i will hold them. i don't know, in action, not in action, in something else, our partners recognize this and put an end to it. thank you gentlemen for the first one

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temporarily, i will return home soon. live now where you are. friends, this is the verdict program. my name is serhii rudenko, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live there right now, please like this video and vote in our poll. today we ask you about this. do you support multiple citizenship in ukraine? yes no it's quite simple on youtube

if you have an opinion please write in the comments if you are sitting in front of tv and watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you support multiple citizenship in ukraine (0800-211-381), no 0800-211382, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will dial under... the bags of this vote , call. let me remind you that ihor reiterovych, maksym rozumny and viktor boberenko are our guests today. we are talking about what was said and heard from the president. of ukraine and today , zelenskyy spoke about the territories, about the territories on which people like him live said, historically, which are historically inhabited by ukrainians. today, by his decree, he instructed the government to develop an action plan for the preservation of the national identity of ukrainians in russia, it is about the territories

of the current krasnodar krai, bilhorodsk, bryansk, and voronisk. of the rostov regions of the russian federation, let's listen to what zelensky said. today we must take steps not only to strengthen the unity of ukraine and our people, but also to act for the sake of unity, rights and freedoms, the truth about ukrainians, the truth about us and the truth about our history, and for the sake of this today i signed the decree on historians. territories of the russian federation inhabited by ukrainians. mr. maksym, this thesis about the lands historically inhabited by us in the russian federation has been around for a long time, it is not actually the idea of ​​zelenskyi himself, these stories

constantly emerge, either in social networks or in some articles about these countries. which are territories where a lot of ukrainians live, and maybe these territories are ukrainian, how do you assess the president's efforts to pump up this story now, or is it just such a subtle trolling of putin and medvedev on the day of the conclave and in this way to annoy the russians, well for... this, of course, is a topic worthy of attention and worthy of state policy, at one time in early 2004, i was a member of the delegation of the ukrainian world coordination council , which was headed by mykhailo goren at the time, i actually

traveled all these lands, that is, we were in belgorod, kursk, voronezh, and in ... vsk region and in the kuban, and met ukrainians there, met with communities, honestly speaking of practical political implications today, especially in conditions of great, well, great propaganda pressure on the population of these regions, the president's initiative will obviously not have, but... but this is such a very symbolic step, which in a symbolic war, it is, so to speak, expected, and somewhere there is this elephant or horse or, well, it's clearly not a farce, but this move was foreseen somewhere, so to speak, when we talk about trolling, i think it's appropriate,

because just these days putin issued a decree on ... studying the question of the ownership of russian empire, the soviet union, etc of the russian federation abroad, that is, their ambition is, so to speak, much greater, they are also in bangladesh, by the way, they probably already planned to take something away, and we just mentioned the historical lands, but it is such a long way and the way that we... are just getting started, and today it is rather in the symbolic plane, if we are talking at a very down-to-earth level, then i think that in the administration, in the office of the president, there was a meeting on how to celebrate the day of the unity of ukraine, well, what did they find there, this is citizenship for ukrainians abroad, well

to mention ukrainian lands there, that's what... they are already howling next to you, they say that ukraine has territorial claims to the russian federation, well, the governor of kurshchyna has already spoken about the fact that it is correct that putin is conducting a special military operation, you see , they are threatening us, that they are from the sumy region, what threats are coming towards the kurshchyna, well, i am here... not even in sumy, but even closer to the border, i am 20 km away in one of the communities in a hotel, here i am with you i say, and here to the judge. surja is the hundredth town of the sumy regiment, and there they say to surzhiks like me, one to one, we held

the yaroslavl euroregion project there when there was still such a project, the europeans gave us money to civilize russia, and we did exchanges, by the way, i took students there several times with my colleague on folklore expeditions, so that we could research there, it was called... a terrible thing, but time was lost, it should have been what zelensky did now, it should have been done there even under the early yushchenko, so

uh, and it should have been theirs, if self-identification is to be supported, then what is it? 20 years ago, i will tell you that there were still ukrainian associations, and what else, but simply at the everyday level in ukrainian villages, we were closer to them than those guys from... the diet, and this is unequivocally, and we saw this not only in one village, but in every ukrainian village, and it was not one, there was more than one trip, there were many such trips, but on the other hand , there was another one in the kuban, i am telling this as an anecdote, but this not a joke, it's uh, i was in kirch, when there was this incident with tuzla, and some delegation of kuban cossacks came, kuban cossacks in their same, these things in circassian, yes, and i witnessed such a dialogue, kuban cossacks, some grandfathers

say, about kerch, about tuzla, about crimea in general, this is our russian land, watered with the blood of our ancestors , to which the ukrainian officer replies, this is our ukrainian land, like, and it was like a paradox for me, in the ukrainian language they defend russia, in russian... in this language they defend ukraine, this is not a joke, and somewhere the identification of ukrainians began to be lost somewhere in the late 90s, at the beginning 20s, why, because already the second generation went to a course somewhere in belgorod, studied together , studied together in groups, and we have what we have, there are no ukrainian schools there, they speak ukrainian, they can, it’s already difficult for them to read and that's why a generation has already grown up which, which still... somewhere says: well, yes, we are khahl, there is khahlandia, there is something there, they are still aware of their difference from the russians, but it's not the coat anymore, and it's me

i can tell you, as a narrow specialist, that, well, at least you need to try to do it, and someone will also want to remember the language and customs of their ancestors and become ukrainians, well, actually. it's not too late, the irish people forgot even their language in the beginning, and the identifier there , the ethnic code, was more faith than language, so come on, let's try, let's try, but again, it's now, how are we going to try, well, we can only say that we will not extradite the kubans back there, or those who prove their ukrainian ethnicity, who say the word polyanytsia, they are ours conditionally. well, according to preliminary calculations, those who can say the word polyanytsia in russia are somewhere close million, that is, the diaspora, or more than a million,

this is the largest diaspora of ukrainians, by the way, abroad, which is in the russian federation, maxim, if i am wrong, in my opinion it is , it is on... it, it is quite large, it's just very difficult to count there, you understand, that is, one thing is the official ... russian population censuses, they are under pressure after 2004, especially after 2014, well, a very large number of citizens of the russian federation stopped identifying themselves as ukrainians, so that it is dangerous because they are enemies you understand, that's why it's very, very difficult to operate with some objective numbers, but really, really. mr. igor, what can ukraine do so that these million ukrainians, who

may... some do not identify or show that they are ukrainians, so that they are ukrainians in principle, so that we have a strong diaspora that could influence including the russian government, is this million not enough, even in order to influence some region there, well , there are actually more than a million of them there, the last data i saw was until the 14th year, it was 3.5 million people who identified themselves as ukrainians, this is a very important point in terms of ethnic origin, but i would like to draw attention to two points in this decree: it is clear that this is not a decree about territorial claims , they are not discussed there at all, what the russians are burning up, everyone wrote there, even medvedev went out drinking again and wrote some of his post there, well, it’s actually not bad, let them tear the roof, or not only the roof, and they discuss these issues, there are two key points, the first point is related to maximum identification and collection of all the facts of crimes committed by russia

in relation to... well, people who identify themselves as ukrainians, are citizens of the russian federation, this is very important, i do not rule out that these facts can help us, well, in the distant future, but no less will be necessary during various trials there, well, international ones, which will take place, and where we can cite it, as an example of the colonial policy there of the same russian federation in relation to its own citizens, who are simply ukrainians by ethnic origin, therefore that the russians were very fond of talking about some kind of oppression. russian -speaking people directly in ukraine, well, they can be beaten with their own weapons only with real facts, because they could never provide such facts, they invented them, and there you can actually collect a lot of such facts, starting from the closing of schools, the absence of in general, the total absence of kindergartens, or simply the availability of books in the ukrainian language in local libraries, and the second point, again, what we did not do and in

principle can start doing, is creating... a certain system of conveying alternative, well, truthful information for them about what is happening in ukraine, what the russian federation is doing, and how it , including, well, for example, is engaged in internal genocide against small nations, as they like to call them and including representatives, well, not a small people, but those who identify themselves as ukrainians, this is a very important moment, this is such an information campaign, it is stated in the decree, it is not known what the mechanisms will be, let's say, i am i understand that... he will have them now to work out, the main thing is that they do not drag it out, but this idea is actually very good, because the war is informational, it continues, it has not gone anywhere, and it will only develop further, and we need to look for ways out directly to those people who have the passport of the russians, of the russian federation , but they have identified, are identifying, or could identify themselves in a different way, because if we bring them a different point of view, well , maybe something will change directly

inside their country, they will start... asking the right question and correct yourself behave. thank you. ihor reiterovych, maksym rozumny and viktor boberenko were guests of our program today. gentlemen, i thank you for participating in the program. during our hour, we conducted a survey, we asked you about the following: do you support multiple citizenship in ukraine? so, 28%, 26% of those who watch us now on tv believe that multiple citizenship in ukraine can be 70. four against, on youtube we have a ratio of 29 yes, 71% no, this is the verdict of the program today, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow, i wish you all the best, health, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye.

greetings to all viewers of espresso, anna yevamelnyk is with you and i will start this issue with the consequences of enemy attacks on our state. in kyiv , the number of victims due to a rocket attack has increased. as of now, it is known that 22 people were injured. one woman is staying. in a state of clinical death, said the kyiv city military administration, in sviatoshyn district, balconies and four apartments were damaged in a residential building. a non-residential two-story building also caught fire. in darnytskyi district debris fell on the roof of a nine-story residential building. another fire occurred in the pechersk district, where an enemy rocket hit a non-residential building.