the information day of the tv channel in rozpala, well, there is an air alarm throughout our country, and accordingly, our broadcasting is now going on in the mode of the bunker air. mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's deputy of ukraine, lieutenant general of the ministry of internal affairs in reserve. glory glory to heroes. well, first of all, we would like to ask you your vision, pluses, minuses that can give rise to the bill on dual citizenship, a certain analysis is already underway, and the day before the president of ukraine submitted the corresponding bill. so, your, your visions. well, actually, it's been going on for a long time, there is a discussion about multiple citizenship , but, i think... there will be discussions in

the verkhovna rada as well, there are certain positive points in this draft law, that is, citizens of ukraine, well, in addition to other citizenships, can be those who were born earlier in ukraine, whose parents or grandfathers were born in ukraine, we are talking about the diaspora that lives in many countries of the world, there is an exception that... multiple citizenship cannot be obtained by those who are citizens of the russian federation, belarus, well, i i think that it is necessary to really look for the positive ones points that may be in this bill, but we will see what the main version is, what will be the discussions in the session hall, so far it is not clear. it is difficult

, we know that nowadays citizens of russia and belarus are looking for a lot of options, just like in business and in other spheres of activity, how to become citizens of many countries of the world, including european countries, and here it is important that they do not search, how to bypass all these. things, because of that it is also necessary to look for options regarding those citizens who left the territory of russia, belarus, but are descendants of ukrainian and citizenship or ukrainian descent, it seems to me that this is an ambiguous bill, and we need to work on it a lot.

thoroughly, first, in order not to harm, i agree with the position of the initiator in this case, the president of ukraine, that millions of ukrainians around the world help and are ready to continue to help our state, both in countering russian aggression and in the future in reconstruction, and many of them does not want to leave his current citizenship, but wants to acquire ukrainian citizenship at the same time, these are actually such people situation, but it seems to me that the court is ambiguous , mr. mykhailo, we work, well, we understand that there are, so to speak, certain norms of the constitution, as far as i understand that our legislators wanted, the legislators would like to harmonize this whole matter with our constitution, well, we understand that there should be a single citizenship there, a whole number of people appear here who will have dual citizenship, do you understand? because they

have the right to do so, but there is an additional whole set of certain laws and constitutional provisions, what to do with that? yes, it is difficult question, and i think that those who are not in favor of such a bill, they will definitely prepare a submission to the constitutional court, and what will be the position of the constitutional court, it is also extremely important, i think that also... the venice commission should have a say, but first of all , the most important thing is that many aspects of this legislative initiative go against the current constitution, i do not think that today there will be more than 300 votes that could confirm this position regarding changes in the constitution, moreover, it is not an easy way, it takes... several sessions, the convocation of the verkhovna

rada, i emphasize once again that the battles will continue, because the previous attempt of such a... draft law was not successful in the session hall of the current convocation of the ninth, ninth convocation of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. mr. mykhailo, well, we still have an extremely difficult draft law, the law on mobilization, yes, we remember the previous epic, big corrections, big comments from the same ukrainian shoemaker, and so on and so forth, and so on , as if marking that the next couple of weeks will be returned to the session room. but the corresponding bill with the corresponding amendments, how the work is going now, the analysis, what things are now trying to prepare, adjust, and what can we get at the exit in the session hall? there are several official positions here, one of them we heard from the minister of defense umerov, who said that

the new version of the bill on mobilization is ready, but for now i believe only the legal facts, i.e. registration. version on the website of the verkhovna rada, this bill has not yet been registered in the verkhovna rada, if this one the fact happened, we could talk about specific facts, but there are some positive signals, namely that the proposals of the people 's deputies of the verkhovna rada, including the committee that i represent, on social policy and the protection of veterans' rights, have already been taken into account in this version, we are talking about... families with many children, i.e. parents who have more than three children, we are talking about persons with disabilities, we insisted on these positions, we insisted, we have information that they are supposedly taken into account, moreover, we demanded and demand further immediately

to demobilize all conscripts who have already served several terms, and this issue will not budge, according to me... the information in this version, which is being prepared by the ministry of defense together with the cabinet of ministers, is about the immediate mobilization of all conscripts, there is only a discussion whether to give them a postponement, i.e. a postponement for a period of three months or six months. we insist that if there is a lowering of the minimum age from 27 to 25, which is the case in this version we are talking about. draft law about mobilization or improvement of mobilization, it is necessary to give them the opportunity to rest for at least six months, except for those cases when demobilized conscripts, as they are popularly called, have the opportunity

to draw up a contract at their own will or become mobilized at their own will and continue their service, it already depends on each person, there are still... a number of compromise options regarding the right and duty of employers to serve subpoenas, supposedly in this version there will be no such thing, about local self-government bodies and the authorities will be told that they will continue to facilitate the mobilization of the armed forces of ukraine, and not organize mobilization and hand out summonses, the same applies to the national police, they help, they help, but in no case do not... have the right to hand out summonses, well and about the unified electronic office, the verkhovna rada has already adopted this bill, it will be effective, but in the version we expect, the head of the territorial procurement center will not have the right

to apply for the option of blocking in case of non-appearance of a conscript, blocking his accounts, the right to dispose of property, property, drive a car, etc. mr. mykhailo, i'm sorry, but forgive us, there are people who deliberately ignore the employees of the territorial picking centers, and this is also not a case, and we understand that they ignore, can ignore the summons there, can ignore the messages and so on and so forth, and so on accordingly, it is also necessary to motivate those people so that they, so to speak, react in an appropriate way. in addition, the law, which has not yet been signed by the president, on the state register military personnel yes, this is an important draft law, which we expect will become a law, it is actually about a register of all, i emphasize, military servicemen, all information about this person, where he

lives, where he works, will be entered into the database. its data, property, etc., i.e., after the approval of this draft law by the president... the territorial procurement center and, in particular, the ministry of defense, which will be the owner or manager of this register, will have the right to send it. in the electronic office, a message about the need to appear in territorial recruitment center, it will be a completely different story, and i, mr. antin, agree with you that the improvement of the law on mobilization is called for, first of all, to have a fair mobilization, so that those guys who are fighting today have the opportunity to conduct a rotation, to rest, well... and on the other hand, for the mobilization to touch those conscriptions who today

illegally avoid mobilization, this is an extremely important thing, but we must not forget that in order for the defense forces to have decent funding , we have to talk about such, in addition to the military front , there is also an economic front, i.e. those people who today work at enterprises of construction and other industries in the security sector, even in agriculture, a certain part of them have the right to armor in order to work and honestly pay the taxes that finance the defense sector. mr. mykhailo, yes, this is one case, and the second case is extremely important - it is our law enforcement agencies, so we understand that a truly unprecedented case was conducted, in particular it is also about detention. and the corresponding escort, well, but we understand that this is already a legendary ukrainian businessman in himself,

well, this is probably only the tip of the iceberg, yes, because someone signed the relevant documents, we understand that the lion's share of such things were implemented during the first year of the war, when it was not possible, so to speak, to carry out all this in a suitable and proper way through tenders transparently and so on and so on, on the one hand, well, they got out of a critical situation, on the other hand , businessmen appeared, who, so to speak for example, they suddenly prioritized something, but a person is engaged in a construction business, and suddenly it falls on him, so to speak, to supply underwear to the troops, and we think that this is not an isolated story, what in your opinion should be the next steps in order to make something like this impossible, well , first of all, i want to say, for the sake of justice, we remember after february 24 , 2000... the 22nd year, how difficult it was to supply

the armed forces of ukraine with ammunition, weapons, and ultimately all property the number of people who mobilized, which, to things became, a large part of them, volunteers, then clearly, the state appealed to everyone, and moreover, through direct contracts of the ministry of defense and other representatives of the defense forces, they purchased certain things, but no one broke the law. is not allowed, here it is very important that law enforcement agencies do not make a show out of this, but that these facts are discovered, pre-trial investigation is conducted and cases are referred to court, only the court emphasizes and the court decision, which has entered into legal force, can recognize this or that sub of a criminal, this unequivocally the presumption of innocence, and i am also against the fact that law enforcement agencies deliberately pour into the mass media. information, how searches and detentions are carried out, this is the secret

of the pre-trial investigation, and high-quality professionals who are defenders, that is, lawyers, may in the future use this as an excuse to disrupt criminal proceedings. thank you, mr. mykhailo, we are now adding natalia pipa, a people's deputy of ukraine, to our bunker broadcast. glory to ukraine, mrs. natalia, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, have a good day. well, people deputy mykhailo tsimbalyuk has now analyzed certain, so to speak, controversial points, in particular, when it concerns the secrecy of the judicial investigation, and you signaled that you have submitted the relevant documents regarding the use of the russian language during the implementation of operational actions by the relevant civil servants. mrs. natalia, i have the floor. yes, i filed an appeal. it is to the sbi, because the authorized person for the protection of cases has already reacted verbally,

accordingly, usually i also submit an appeal to him, here there was already a reaction from him, so it is clear that there were actions from him, and to the sbi i wrote that actually the sbi is to detain suspects and investigate crimes, and one of the duties of the sbi is to use the state language, because many people wrote to me yesterday, and i couldn't understand at some point what it was ... cover the aggressor, because i heard the language of the aggressor, is it after all the officials of the state of ukraine working, unequivocally, that people, those who... use minimally, even though in ukraine and not only on zso and in general should be responsible, but all this somewhat resembled the show, and the video with a bare torso, and the fact that the sbi posted this video, and the fact that the sbi allowed themselves to speak the language of the aggressor there, there are a lot of questions, and the fact that the video of the family

, accordingly, is the most common in vyshyvanka, is actually somewhat alarming, why. .. what, but in any case, an official in the state of ukraine must speak the state language, not the language of the aggressor, so i could not help but react to it and bear responsibility accordingly, everyone has their own limits, in general, of course, what about this seven this situation is very strange, because no one knew about it in lviv oblast either they are like some big businessmen or someone who works, so there are a lot of questions here, procedurally the sbi, if theirs. it can be voiced by specialists, but not actually , that the houses, well, as a person who works in the education committee, and he is close to the work of the humanitarian committee, i am very familiar with this issue, and here the officials definitely behaved inappropriately, mr. mykhailo, the language mode of law enforcement agencies, do you think there will be not just an unsubscribe, but some kind of

reasoned answer, whether appropriate work is being carried out, for example, well, we we understand that there are different ones. regions and different people, everything is not as simple as it seems, well, but it is also not a matter. i agree with my colleague , well, in fact, all officials, first of all, must comply with the law on language, moreover, when they enter the public service, especially the sbi and other law enforcement agencies, they must pass an exam on knowledge of the state language. it does not suit, moreover, yes, pathos. to speak russian, and i imagine that it is not only during detention, i suspect that it is about communicating with each other, communication with suspects, just with citizens, i think that the leadership of the sbi will draw appropriate conclusions, and those heads of state institutions, including other law enforcement agencies

, will draw conclusions on this unpleasant or shameful fact and so that similar things do not happen to them. for the sake of justice, the sbi intensified its work and this is also a positive option, but here it must be rejected, i once again agree with my colleague, this is the effect of a show, it is not a show, these are very complex procedural actions that limit human rights, and we must be very careful with this careful because the number of upheld judgments of the european court. of human rights is not in favor of ukraine, unfortunately, it is increasing, and this includes the non- professional work of all law enforcement agencies and ukrainian femida, ukrainian courts. mrs. nataliya, i would also like to catch up with you and ask

you about the story of the arresting officer's statements . .. you once made a remark about inadmissibility the use of the aggressor's language in the public space of ukraine, in particular in lviv, how is this case with the aristovach now developing, or rather with his initiatives? and i will tell you, i will immediately remember what kind of responsibility can be expected from this employee of the state bureau of investigation , similar to the teacher who helped me speak russian, it can be a reprimand, it can also be a fine, speechless... and in this case, i think that will be, i hope that two sanctions will be applied, and i will accordingly follow how the sbi, and this is actually in the odesa region, the national sbi will also react to this appeal, regarding arestovych, and then the remarks for the boy's performance of russian-language songs

on the street in lviv. once again, i will remind all viewers that according to the law of ukraine, it will be on the territory. in ukraine, it is not possible to perform a russian-language song that was written after 1991, but in the territory of the lviv region, the cities of kyiv, ivano-frankivsk, ternopil, chernivtsi, khmelnytskyi, and this is constantly increasing, it is not possible to perform any russian-language cultural song the product, therefore, discard it from the side of the master accordingly aristovych that i can't read laws, but the problem is that he can't, doesn't know how. to read the laws, and there is even a conclusion of the constitutional court specifically on these, because in 2018 the lviv regional council voted on the performance of russian-language songs. in the lviv region , accordingly, arestovych, on the basis of this, filed a complaint against me for inciting international

enmity on the basis of language, there are two key issues here, there is no article on international production on the language issue, this is the first, therefore, in principle, he could not file a lawsuit, him it is impossible to consider the present, and secondly, what is the international enmity between whom i am in? a ukrainian woman, this is a guy from ukraine, where is the international enmity here, we are of the same nationality, he also recognized himself as a citizen of ukraine, although with a different vision than the majority of citizens of ukraine, that is why he submitted this today, i have not been summoned for questioning, messages to me none came, and we filed, and mr. mykhailo was also one of the signatories of that joint lawsuit that arestovych gave known false information. and this is an article of the criminal code, and accordingly, in this case i was already in the national police, because the sbi is for officials, and the national police is for citizens,

for the citizen rustovich, i am currently acting as a witness and filed a statement as a person, as a victim, because in fact, when i am being sued for knowingly giving false information, and i believe that i am really the victim because i am being accused. about what i did not do, and the responsibility of which is not provided by the laws of ukraine at all. yes, and i would like to ask you briefly if you, dear people deputies, keep under control what is called attention, the reduction in the number of higher educational institutions of ukraine, certain processes are beginning, certain reactions are beginning on the part of rectors, rectors and students, for example, the extremely loud story about tavriysk. the university named after vernatskyi was relocated from crimea, which received the appropriate facilities, and here they are trying to merge it, well, in the literal sense, with another

university. ms. natalia, briefly and mr. mykhailo, well, look, here we need to consider who benefits from the fact that in ukraine we in fact, we have a large number of diplomas of higher education and not enough higher education, well, let's look at the truth, is it true. therefore, in general , before the unification of universities, i consider it the right decision, because every effective department, every effective teacher will be able to continue working and every student will definitely be able to graduate, this will be guaranteed. that is another question, who is being merged with whom and for what purpose, here too we have to look, and let's look really forever. most rectors hacked the elections, they know very well that to do so that they are elected, and only this rule that the rector can serve no

more than two terms stops many before being re-elected for a third or fourth term, in general, personnel rotation in education has long been proven to have positive consequences if the rector was very successful and ran the university well, he will always be able to continue on the academic council. to influence others and influence them, and accordingly, then the rector is interested in preparing a person to replace him, therefore, in general , it is necessary to look with whom, how, according to what procedures, but this is correct, another question to the registered draft laws on grants and admission, there will be both positive points for me and those that should be changed, so there will be a discussion, but the fact that we invest in higher education every year 48 billion uah, 47 billion uah. all universities, one separate billion for shevchenko university, and how they are used, well, these are the next other questions, and now, even in wartime, many people say: how to change something in wartime, then i will

answer: the first, our education system and all educational institutions were thought out for the state, in which had 52 million people, now we have about 30, that is, changes are not inevitable, then what universities are broken, we really need to unite the best professors, the best... the gains from each department should be continued and vice versa, we are still with we will definitely return to this conversation, mr. mykhailo , just take one minute to summarize, well , we understand that in order to cut something, there must be completely transparent and understandable criteria for everyone, which would work for everyone, and not a manual mode, very not an easy process, i agree that some are higher have turned into stalls for the sale of diplomas, and this is a problem, but it is a small number, it is important here... to go one way, those universities that do not have students, for this, for this there is accreditation that is issued. or issued

by the ministry of education, they must use this vehicle. another question is, in fact, a university can be disbanded when there are no students or professional teachers in it. here, i emphasize once again, the state needs to act very carefully, like a scalpel , so as not to take away those, er... rectors who today have their position, under this noise in order not to destroy the professorial and teaching teams and to remember that currently a large part of students are studying in europe, but the time will come when we believe that there will be our great victory, and students will return home to ukraine, and young people will enter our universities , which have their own traditions, which really train highly qualified

specialists, but... the quality of our education as a whole needs to be improved, i agree with that. thank you. finally, mrs. natalia. well, for your attention, just a few days ago we talked with the rector of tavriyskyi of vernadsky bortniak university, yes. well, they did not communicate with him in a proper way, in a timely manner. so. we understand that, well, when something is combined, there should be a normal and proper communication plan. it is not for nothing that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelensky drew attention to... at yesterday 's meeting with educators and students on similar things, well, this is not about a specific university, but in general, unfortunately, i have to end our conversation for today, thank you very much, people's deputy natalia pipa was working live now tv channel and people's deputy mykhailo tsimbalyuk, i say goodbye, see you soon, i will not be afraid of this word meeting. the verdict

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