variability and about democracy in ukraine, or whether it is necessary to talk about the fact that people should use their right to choose during the war, and again, if this war will last not one year or two or three, but more, in your opinion , is zelenskyy ready to share power with the opposition, because, in principle, both monopolies and the power that exists in the verkhovna rada, for citizens, is the power that they... well, let's say that elections are always the result of a political process , in ukraine, well, this is, as it were, the end of the political process, these are elections, at the moment there is no political process in ukraine, and in principle it cannot be, that is, parties, new, old, candidates, cannot exercise their right, they do not hold meetings with voters, de facto, they do not can conduct flights...

activity, they do not have access to the media for the most part, they cannot convey their party programs or how they want to see ukraine in development and during the war, that is, there is no political process as such in ukraine, therefore accordingly hold elections without of the political process is a very dubious matter, and the legitimacy of this process will honestly cause, i think, even more questions than such a frozen situation. which is at the moment, i am not talking about technical details, for example, observers in the trenches and observers should be, including represented by international organizations, international observers, i want to see which of the international rescuers will go to alkyivka or kupyansk in order to see if our military and local residents vote correctly there, i think there are no such wishers, at most those who do not reach kyiv, at least to uzh.

well, that is, this whole process raises more questions than answers, but democracy can be ensured without, or rather, it cannot be ensured without elections, but during the martial law, which is a full-scale war in our country, uh, it is probably possible to take democratic steps that will remove all issues of legitimization, because in fact the legislation clearly defines what happens to the parliament during the war, but the legislation... does not define what happens to the president, and, that is, whether presidential elections should be held or not, therefore, if we were to shift all responsibility to the parliament, as i support mr. kucharenko, it is unfair, so let's put it this way, i would say that we should start with democratic processes, which... can be done

during a war , namely: allow journalists, for example, into the verkhovna rada, open tv channels there and stop engaging in marathons, which are completely ineffective, take any other steps that are necessary for democracy, both within society and internationally arena, at least to start with this, and in fact, i think that if citizens and international partners see what is happening here, and, for example, there, i don't know, opposition deputies will not be slowed down at customs and will not be released through border, then maybe it will start to improve the situation, the perception of democracy in ukraine, that is why there are many steps that can be taken without such a change of the constitution, and because in order to hold elections or not to hold elections, it is necessary to change the constitution, and this is very difficult work, and it's actually like, you know, a box pandora, which can be... opened and you can

get something completely different as a result , changing the constitution during the war, well , probably not right and not necessary, so the real question is that if the authorities had a desire, then i think that it is possible to find an understanding with the opposition, it is possible to find common causes that will benefit ukrainians, because our only goal, both the government and the opposition, is victory. so, in order for us to win, we all need to take democratic steps and make joint efforts to victory, and then hold elections, and in fact, this should be our main goal, if the government really wants, i don't know, the knowledge of someone, including the opposition , to help this victory, it does not need anything, except to listen to the opinion of the opposition. and to take it into account,

unfortunately, the situation has now developed that the ruling party does not really need the votes of the opposition in the parliament, nor to listen to the opposition. because they overlap, they de facto formed a coalition with the opz, well, that is, with the former regionals and their votes, they actually draw almost all bills, which cause doubts in the opposition and which the opposition criticizes or tries to improve, so here the question is only in the political will and in the political process, i would say so. thank you, i will tell our viewers what i said about the elections. president zelenskyi about the possibility of holding elections, not our today's guests and presenters, that 's why we are talking about it, because i see that in social networks there are comments about the elections you are talking about, in principle, we are talking about what president zelenskyi is talking about , but president zelensky also talks about business,

since the question of what is happening to businessmen is quite relevant now in ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy instructed to deal with the problems that have arisen. recently between government officials, businesses and law enforcement officers and to present relevant developments to the national security and defense council, let's listen to what zelensky said. the discussion is not easy, there are serious questions, there are real difficulties. i got acquainted with the details, asked to make the necessary preparations so that all the difficulties between government officials, businesses, law enforcement officers, were removed everyone can have their own view. yes, but in times of war, we should all be united by one task, the strength of ukraine, the strength of our society, our economy. mrs. iryna, what problems is zelensky talking about, why

should the national security and defense council consider the relationship between business, government and law enforcement. it seems to me that it is obvious to everyone that the time of words has passed. all this fascination with beautiful words, it has come, it is very important that they realize this in banking and stop producing eyes there endless conflicts with everyone, then they quarreled only there with poroshenko on european solidarity, then they started quarreling with our western partners, then they quarreled with journalists, now their business is not like that, then ukrainians will not be like that, refugees, not like that, well, you understand, this is not normal , in fact, zelenskyi correctly began to communicate after the start of the war about the fact, well, at least in words , yes, that only unity will save us, but unity is not words, but actions, and today we see that unity does not exist, and vice versa, every day

there are new and new conflicts, and already business, which is very difficult to survive today, at the same time keeps jobs, pays taxes, i want to remind for your... intelligent viewers, who speak absolutely correctly, what kind of election can we talk about today and no matter what, we need to survive today as a state and preserve statehood, and this is the task of politicians, statesmen, and to preserve statehood and help, first of all , the armed forces of ukraine work on this, but according to the situation, only from our internal taxes we we can to receive the armed forces of ukraine , our partners provide weapons, but they cannot pay the salaries of the soldiers, this is done by... business, this is done by every ukrainian who pays taxes, that is what we need to focus on, and my colleague ms. yulia klymenko pointed out absolutely correctly , that the president tries to avoid all unpleasant topics, there is such an unpleasant topic, a difficult topic, and what

will happen in may regarding legitimacy, let's translate it to the parliament, there is a difficult topic and we have discussed it repeatedly on your broadcast, mr. serhiy , mobilization, and that too wildly, when the supreme chief... the commander does not find time to meet with the leaders of the parliamentary factions and talk about how he sees, as the head of the supreme command, the supreme commander, how he sees the solution to this issue systematically, systemically and what will be the cushion for this mobilization economically , and you know, all the time i have this feeling of returning to the atmosphere in the times of yanukovych, when there was also a very serious such...

the ability of businesses to survive, survive and develop the economy so that we could survive as the state, and in this context, on the contrary, it seems to me that the key for... pylenskyi as the supreme commander, who really should not meddle in the economy and government issues, should still have one economic priority, this is the military industry. what is happening in our military industry today, how did it happen that in two years we could not rebuild our economy, what russia has done now, which unfortunately, unfortunately, it has some progress there, both in slaves and in drones , and in other stories there, and we also need to ... work on this, and therefore, to be honest, i am i listened, you know, if you gave

the president a quote about the elections, well, he tries to transfer everything to the parliament, but the logic there is absolute, yes, that there can be no elections during the war, then here is the second quote about business, well, first of all, no one will have a nightmare about any business without the president's office, well, excuse me, please, this is an absolute president's office, you are giving nightmares to the opposition, you are giving nightmares to business, secondly, well, the time should... has passed: if you want to make a decision, expel those who are giving nightmares to business , and just give everyone normal work rules, stop having nightmares thank you, ms. irina , mr. oleksiy, you had a lot of experience working in commercial structures, and you, you know how the authorities know how to work with business, this is the story with igor mazepa, because i understand that now everyone is pushing back from this history, what can you say about how the current government works with business, and even more

so during the war, or whether such work should be, let me quickly, yes, because the topic of action is very relevant, and the president, if he has already spoken about it , then he understood all the danger, i absolutely agree with irina, that, in fact, our law enforcement officers are subordinated exclusively to the office of the president, that is, they are definitely not under the prime minister, it is not necessary to be naive. therefore, i want to say right away that the president indicated that there is such a problem, government officials met yesterday with our businessmen from the employers' federation and others, businessmen, they were given three absolutely specific proposals for legislative changes, to completely stop these masks, mask shows and some other , well, three simple things, i fully support, now i explain on my fingers, so let's start with bigus, right? me, i'm not a fan the fact that journalists are there, whether they smoke something there or not, is a separate article, 30

law enforcement officers, spent a week spending time and budget money, yours and mine, the taxes of these same businessmen to organize this trap there, well, this filming, illegally, to things, i say, friends, but here is a ready unit, yes, a ready platoon, there already to the front, immediately from... all the law enforcement officers that are available today, i am convinced that two or three brigades can be staffed very quickly, military guys , healthy, familiar with weapons, wear epaulettes, that's who should be the first in this process, there have been a lot of them, i don’t know who is responsible for what , who is arresting whom, he arranges a mask show, sometimes two or three organizations for one businessman, now mazepa, he is not a yangal, but... look , he works for a legal, very powerful structure, concord capital, this is an investment fund, yes, he is arrested,

detained for, some kind of crime, that the land was wrongly issued or registered 11 years ago, and he built something on it, but i have a question, well, they put seals there accepted this construction without state bodies, without a dabi, without others. it couldn't be, well, if you want to show something, then you should calmly deal with him, don't be angry with him, well, he has a lot of jobs, investment projects, because you can really see how significant this arrest turned out to be, by the way, the appeals court today , who set bail there, 21 million, so you started with 15 billion, 15 billion bail for an alleged crime of 7 million, well, this is a delusion, it is a complete nonsense that can... trust them here, i'm sure, look , is now very important case

, powerful structures were squeezed from the so-called oligarchs, there is ukrainian oil, ukrainian oil drilling, gas, others there, do you think the state is capable of coping with this task now, they managed to take away from those rich people, ukrainians, they managed to stop deposits of a billion cubic meters gas will not fail to comply with the vice. you and i do not comply due to the fact that they took away the permit , from which i conclude that they simply cannot share, who should take these confiscated assets next, i would ... i know for sure that there are offices in kyiv businessmen who sometimes a week, how the clock goes down, masks shows, dents and so on and so on, and you know , well, definitely in this situation, it seems to me that they simply do not understand what they are doing, and therefore i think, well, this is just such

a negative for today for ukraine, both internal and external, and who he is now, how to calm this situation, even you... imagine, another huge mistake. thank you ladies and gentlemen, after a short break on our channel, we will return to our conversation. oh, and got wet. would you like some tea? mom, dad, what should i do to avoid getting sick? vitamin c, d3, zinc and the main one - quercitin to strengthen blood vessels. just take quertin immuno. all in one package. in one. salt: four components together. so simple, one capsule a day, so convenient. quertin immuno. there are discounts on toosmai. 15% in pharmacies, plantain, bam and savings. bleeding and inflammation of the gums. my advice. lakalut active. lakalut aktiv actively overcomes bleeding gums, protects against periodontitis and visibly tightens the gums. lakalut aktiv - an action that you feel immediately. novelty.

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free of charge, let me remind you that today we have people's deputies of ukraine, iryna gerashchenko, yuliya klymenko and oleksiy, are on the air. mrs. yulia, a question for you: you understand exactly what and how happens between the state and business, you were the deputy minister of economic development, and you obviously understand that what is happening recently and what zelensky is talking about, it needs special attention, attention of the state to business, business that pays taxes to the state budget, during the war, it is nobody's business. no need to explain how important it is, how you see the current situation and whether so much it is threatening that the council of national security and defense needs to develop some additional measures in order to secure the business from some of those e-officers, werewolves or law enforcement agencies that

make business a nightmare, and i myself am leaving the business. and spent 20 years there, i'll tell you honestly, i know all the people who are mzpu, i know and people who are now looking at all this, big businesses, and small businesses, medium, to be honest, the situation is very threatening, and business, well, not to say scottish, but, let's say, very much, i don't know how it is possible now to restore business confidence in continuing to invest in ukraine, pay taxes, or , let's say, investment development, in general and in general in independence from the figure of mzep, business is very disappointed, business does not expect this. and believes that this is a stab in the back, because, let's say it bluntly, those who made a lot of money in ukraine probably had the opportunity to leave before the war and

live in european countries, and not to invest or pay taxes for two years, but they did it, they stayed in ukraine, moreover, there are many of them who invested, and the first year of 2022 is very difficult, i will continue. to pay salaries in fact to the employees who left during the great invasion, who were abroad, and many companies continued to support them and pay taxes, so what happened with mazepa is the form in which it is not the point is whether mazepa is guilty or mazepa is not guilty, it will be decided by the court and, i hope, there will be a fair decision, but the form, how it was done. why was it done demonstrably at the border instead of if there were any problems, accusations, why it couldn't be done, i don't know, in kyiv, for example, and in his office, where he is constantly, or

why it wasn't done, let's say, in 10 years, why accusations from ten years ago and mazep , who is a secondary, attention , a secondary buyer, he did not privatize the land, he did not, he rebought ... the land and built there, i do not know that there is a cottage town, and after 10 years someone mentioned that this land turns out to be officials and it was taken incorrectly by the dealers, that is, it is absurd, for any businessman, this is absurd, and unfortunately, if there are any deeper accusations against mazepa, then they should have been made public on the first day, so that people understood what was happening and how much... that is, for a businessman, that , what mazepa is being accused of is just a testimony to the fact that this is a completely premeditated accusation, you know,

10 years ago, so i think that unfortunately what happened will have serious consequences in terms of investment, in terms of support, and we see that already in january, regardless of this, but... such, you know, the bell, already in january, tax collections began to fall, because the border was closed by the poles, business was decreasing, there were shellings, and with such situations, as happened in relation to business, they will decrease, because businessmen will transfer their businesses as much as possible outside the territory of ukraine, because they understand that there is no lawless state here, and that there is hope for law enforcement. organs is impossible and it is impossible to find justice, i want to say that the economy is the basis for the economy, it is a system of justice, first of all

all law enforcement and judicial authorities , if it is absent, if someone, even in the high offices of the president's office, can order the arrest of a businessman, then the investment ends, moreover, money begins to flow out of the country, and you cannot stop it, that is, money... this in this, let's say, in our civilization, it is impossible to put borders and a customs officer in order to stop them, and this is a very bad sign for those who wanted or thought to invest in ukraine, as well as invest in the reconstruction of ukraine, that is, me i don't understand why, why this do, effectively shooting yourself in the foot and having long-term. consequences, the economy is 50% as important for us as the security and defense sector, because if there are no revenues

in the budget, then there is no possibility to pay salaries, buy weapons, or maintain defense, it must go hand in hand, it must go hand in hand with each other, so, unfortunately, these are huge mistakes, and correct them. honestly, i don't believe that it can be fixed now, if looking back, i think it will have serious consequences, unfortunately, for a long time and for this year mrs. irina, in your opinion, what is this whole story connected with, what is connected with igor mazepa, that is, the authorities are still trying to find those who will be, when the elections are held, to find businessmen sympathetic to them, who will work with her or after all, ihor mazepa's business, his opportunities, whatever they wanted, whether they wanted to squeeze money from him, to get some

concessions from him. and i see a more systemic problem here, you know, there is a real feeling that in some offices of power they only watch the marathon, but we are already having coffee in the crimea we drink tea there or on the yaltsyn embankment, and forget about avdiivka, about the kupyan direction, about orikhov, about kherson, which is a nightmare and is shelled every day, and actually for some it's too early, too early, politics has started, then here's this one. the absolute closedness of the government, when it really works today in opaque conditions during the war, it gave rise to such autocratic demons, which are breaking out today in very different directions. i'm sorry if we in the parliament can't see the government for more than six months and ask questions there about the use of state funds for security and defense, where are the drones and so on, well, in

such... gray conditions, it is very easy to strengthen authoritarian tendencies, to believe that you can do whatever you want, you will get nothing for it. i want to remind you, here they mentioned, and there vigos, uh, other journalists, investigators, you remember, serhiy, that four years ago they appeared on public broadcasting with their investigations, their investigations mainly concerned representatives of the authorities there, and it is obvious because the authorities there have more... access there to and decision-making and resources , and today they are doing their investigation on the internet, the public is running a marathon in our country, and in such conditions it is really very easy to believe the authorities that you can do various things with impunity, and as for the pressure on business, i really i see several things here: first, the power structures today, instead of focusing, well , a certain part of the power structures, yes, first of

all, on victory. is engaged in the treatment of business, returning to the worst times of yanukovych, this is the first, second, maybe this is the redistribution of business in the same way, because the country 's resources are running out, we are becoming a poorer country because of the war, because of an absolutely short-lived economic policy, and the appetites of the authorities are growing, and this is also abnormal, and the third policy is again, when five years ago, the authorities there were the admiration of businessmen, they believed that it opens up to... opportunities, today it's rose-colored glasses, someone fell asleep, and therefore everyone there who dares to call a spade a spade, just criticize unprofessionalism, they are called there, you know, some kind of agents, there i don't know, it's not normal, absolutely, to me it seems that the authorities need to realize that criticism is not a crime, i don't know, something bad against the authorities, it's normal, it's important

that it is correct there. criticism , so that it is professional, is understandable, but it must be heard, and we now have a government that categorically does not hear criticism in any direction, whether it refers to anti-democratic tendencies in the parliament, whether it refers to weak institutions in principle, or it it concerns the need to return freedom of speech, and of course businesses, people who are themselves created, which we still have to finish, sorry, the time of our program has come to an end, iryna gerashchenko, oleksiy kucherenko, yulia... klymenko were guests of our program today, friends, during our program we conducted a survey, we asked you about this, whether do you trust the anti-corruption authorities, so 6% trust, 94% no, on youtube we have a ratio of 10% trust, 90% no, this is the verdict program today, it was conducted by serhiy rudenko, i say goodbye to you until the next broadcast, which will be at 20:00,

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