if it has signs of military activity, well, for example, the signs of a pmc, fine, but if the company is engaged in medicine, the training of medics there, is engaged in airport security, is engaged in collecting intelligence in the interests of the security forces, these are also private military companies , no, but the last thing you said... intelligence gathering, it can already be considered as a private military company, and by the way, there is a very big demand in the market right now for private, let's call it that, on private intelligence agencies, intelligence companies, if you want an example, then let me give you this example bellingkat, well, it is a private company, well, put it this way, journalist, the conclusions of this company are listened to, for example. the habsky court

, well, then it means that the boundaries of private companies are still quite blurred, it is difficult to determine why i am asking this, because linguistically speaking, we have had this for the 20th year, president zelenskyy says that we really need to be determined by private companies, two draft laws are being developed, they are hanging around somewhere, zelenskyi says that it is necessary to make sure that they do not become the basis there... of certain oligarchic forces and so on, where does this threat or warning to private companies come from, if it does not correspond to the essence of the companies themselves pvc in view of what you said earlier. that's, that's a very , very relevant question that you've asked now, uh, you see, uh, in civilized countries, i don't, i don't want to offend anybody, but in civilized countries even... there

is no idea that a private military company may be subject to some oligarch there and work in the interests of some private individuals there and, god forbid, try to remove the government or something else, well, such a large private military company in the united states is black water, which does not exist today, and i know its leader, rick prince, well , believe me, it doesn't occur to him... even the option that he can one day turn his private military company black voter or some other, against the government and go there, well, i don't know how to eliminate the government is there who is currently joe biden and change him to trump, for example, well , this is a very simple example, you understand, that is, the events that happened in ukraine earlier, for example, if i am not mistaken, this... the incident

in which mr. kolomoisky took part, when there were certain actions with ukrtransnafta, well, there were some people in black, armed, unarmed, they entered the territory of the enterprise and so on, listen, frankly speaking, this is not my problem, that our power structures allow ukraine to have any illegal armed formations, and they could enter some of their enterprises or for... close or open and so on and the like, you understand, that is, a private military company, it, it is registered somewhere, that is, it is a legal entity, it is no longer can be considered as an illegal group, because there is a registration, of course, if there is a group, a group of people who have weapons available and there are some personal protective equipment, and there are a lot of them, then it ...

falls, if i'm not mistaken , according to article 260 of the criminal code of ukraine, are illegal armed or armed formations, but a private company, it, it is registered somewhere, you understand, this is the first, second, mentality, mentality, we looked at what happened in the russian federation, when wagner's pmk went to storm, relatively speaking, moscow, e. i don't want to offend anyone, but people who have not done anything wrong , they are not afraid of anything, you know, that is, to be afraid that there will be some pmcs trying to remove the government, look at the events of 2014, people, people did not like what was happening in the country, people stood up, they used force, that's when we lost this monopoly on the power of the state. lost its monopoly

on power, people rose up and removed the government, that is, yanukovych fled ukraine and we, how to say. acronyms in the ukrainian language, i don't remember, with the help of the population, not with the help of the pmk, that is, i don't remember any cases in ukraine where the pmk, private military companies were involved in some illegal activities, that is, these fears that we have yes, they are completely unfounded. pvc is an instrument of the state, not an instrument against it state, but people for some reason don't want to hear it, or just don't hear it, you know? that is, as i understand it, the current attitude towards the pvc is rather a consequence of the fact that we are held hostage by our old mythologists, and because of this, relatively speaking, we do not want to see the potential that currently lies behind the pvc as a union of structured citizens, which

can provide, well, the improvement of training or the creation of high-quality units of the armed forces or separate units of other power structures, but then that is a question of well , the regulation of the law on private companies, britain, the united states , there are no such laws, although these companies are represented all over the world, we have then, which way to go, this flirting with laws, they, the legislation should probably be limited, except by certain licensing of such activities and create transparent mechanisms for registration and control of such structures, well, this is one of the options. well , let's say this, a license, licensing, yes, it is possible to get it, but you understand, we have licenses for, for example, the transfer of knowledge, if we talk about the transfer of knowledge, that is, we are limited only

training, that is, if a private military company, for example, it goes on a business trip to the congo, in order to carry out... training for the armed forces of the democratic republic of the congo, it needs a knowledge transfer license, but here we limit the pmc, because we, we limit the activities of the pmc, because we are talking exclusively about the activities of the pmc outside ukraine. if we return to the law of ukraine on pmcs, then the law of ukraine already answers the question. this is a law of ukraine that can only be applied on the territory of ukraine. there will be no law of ukraine act on the territory of mozambique or on the territory of mali or burkina faso there, that is, that in ukraine we will regulate such a law. unfortunately, when there was a debate on this matter, the author of this bill, mrs. vasylevska

smaglyuk, she created a working group, but i don't know how many times this working group met, but i was invited to one meeting, and i spoke there. ... they were not invited to these meetings of the working group anymore, because i was, well, categorically against many points of this law, for example, i do not see why our ukrainian pmc to create some warehouses there with ammunition, with weapons, with armored vehicles and so on, what are we going to do with it, that is , this law in the format in which it was written, it is absolutely counterproductive, but it never... a law will be passed in the verkhovna rada, which says that a ukrainian private military company has a training ground, and what should i do, drive 10 battleships to the training ground, put mortars there, bring machine guns, weapons, ammunition and so on , put security,

the question arises, why do you need all this on the territory of ukraine, and therefore i believe that the law, the draft law that was... written, it was written incorrectly, i expressed my opinion, i am so from this, from this working group , and when we are still talking about private military companies, what is the mechanism of financial existence for such enterprises, relatively speaking, if we say that these companies perform tasks outside of ukraine, then they really have contracts there for potential foreign customers , if they work in ukraine, why should they be paid and who will pay this money? yes, also a very interesting question, first of all, let's

understand if a ukrainian private military company concluded a contract with a foreign customer, then it is a responsibility, payment for services. this is the sole responsibility of the foreign customer. if a ukrainian private military company, for example, goes on a business trip, i call it a business trip. goes on a business trip, for example, to burkina faso, and she goes on a business trip in the interests of the state, then of course, first of all, such a business trip must be financed by the state, because we work in the interests of the state, after that there may be other financing options, but in order for us to have a start abroad in the interests of the state, it must be paid for by... the state, if we say now in conditions of war, a full-scale war with

russia, the use of private military companies in ukraine, on the territory of ukraine. yes, i understand that this is a very unpopular opinion, but it should be funded by the government, you see, a private military company is not a beggar who should go around begging looking for money do you want us to do something, some specific action? well, i can't, i have people, i currently have people in ukraine whom i can use, and they want to work for us, but i personally do not have the resources to attract these specialists. the problem is that i have specialists, and these specialists are currently working on a contract with the armed forces of ukraine, but the specialists work as stormtroopers, that is, they go and ... storm the trenches, and i think that this is an inappropriate use of resources, i have

other proposals, i have already made this proposal, some people heard me, but there are no sanctions, you know, there are no sanctions, so that i can take these people and use them somewhere in some other way, i have no money , no funding, no authority to so that i could take these... people and use them somewhere for their purpose, that 's the problem, i want to tell you that this is not the first time, because i watched, i saw how we use, it's not criticism, perhaps some experts or experienced people they will say that andriy, you are wrong and so on, but this is my personal opinion, i saw how we use, use sso operators during the assaults of the same trenches, and now i have a question: "if a sso operator also dies in a frontal attack from our side, and

the banal mobilized from the side of the russian federation, how much time and money do we need, time, it is very important, to prepare another sso operator who accidentally died in frontal contact with the mobilized from the russian federation, and how much time and money are needed, in order to..." to restore this mobilized from the side of the russian federation at the front in ukraine, you understand, we need to train sso operators for at least six months, and the russians will replace this mobilized tomorrow, what am i talking about, we use our resources, sometimes, sometimes, i do not criticize, again yes, this is a statement of facts, we use our resources inappropriately, i have people now sitting in ukraine, i... use them in other directions, but they just go and storm the trenches, these are people who have combat experience of 20

years, so in fact you are talking about the fact that if these people who are trained in your company, who have considerable experience, were used according to the complexity of the tasks, then it would be much more effective than just using them as stormtroopers who we recaptured one forest plantation near avdiyivka, and we understand that then it is completely... not at all in line with the potential that is embedded in these people, which has been accumulating for years, acquiring filigree capabilities for combat operations. then the question arises, how to find, i am 100% how to find a way out of such a labyrinth so that, relatively speaking, the heads of private companies have more opportunities to interact with the military leadership to obtain some tasks that they solve comprehensively, relying on their capabilities. and not dispersed among the storming units, existing

brigades? you see, we, we , you and i talked for a long time about this, i talked with mr. bodrak and with other people, and we always talk about problems, problems, these are the problems, problems we have, uh, we have to ask a question in a different way, what should be done to... to solve these problems, and in order to solve these problems, we need the authorities to listen to us, i myself, you understand, because... that i don't have no leverage, no contacts, and so on, i also wrote a letter to former president poroshenko, and i addressed president zelenskyi, i have a letter, a reply, and they are writing to me from the office of the president of ukraine: we inform you that your appeal with a proposal regarding

the possible use of private military companies, in particular limited liability companies responsibility of megaconsulting groups for implementation. tasks related to the sphere of national security and defense of the state have been sent to the apparatus of the national security and defense council of ukraine and the ministry of defense of ukraine with a request to consider and inform you about the results. that's the end of it, that is, we don't have a lobbyist who can come, i'm sorry, and say that this is what needs to be done, and then we need to assemble a uh working group, but for this working group we need to uh... invite specialists , you see, you have to invite someone from the national security and defense council, you have to invite us, we need to invite someone from the general staff, from the ministry of defense , as it is called, a profile, a profile committee, if i am not mistaken, of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and discuss, we have an urgent issue, we need to discuss together whether

it is appropriate, and if it is appropriate then how can we use private military companies? if it is impractical, then some arguments are needed, but it should be decided collegially, not like in ukraine, some analyst said: i am against it, because the monopoly on force should be with the state, and we listened to him and said: well, he is against it and so on, all these conversations about the fact that private military companies are prohibited in ukraine, they are completely groundless, there is no law of ukraine on the prohibition of private military companies, in we're facing a... large-scale war, if we have such an urgent issue, i think we need to assemble a working group, talk, and i 'm sure we could find, find a solution, but how to do it, i don't know, so what i wrote to zelensky, i wrote to umerov, i i wrote to zaluzhny, i wrote to kuleba, i wrote

in reality, there are no answers to my letters, that is , it is necessary for some person... to come and say: we need to consider this. i want to give you such a very good example, if there is still time: it is very important. i was lucky enough to work with and know personally, from america, the american general of the united states armed forces , david petraeus. and when hostilities began in afghanistan and... iraq and the united states of america realized that they were losing, david petraeus came to the president of the united states and he said this phrase: he said, "mr. president, we can't just raise rates, partly there today a little bit, tomorrow a little bit, the day after tomorrow a little bit." we have to put everything on the line, in

english it's called "olin", because if we don't put everything on the line, we will lose this war. she was a very brave person because she simply came to the president and expressed her opinion. in this regard, i want to tell you that there is even such a book. her name is olyn. here she is, i took her with me. author, general david petraeus, that's what they called olin, all bets are off. and it turns out that we have a war now, and we are not putting all our bets on the line. and the americans put it only because someone attacked the pentagon and... the world trade center, they did not have people enter the country on tanks, armored personnel carriers, did not torture, destroy, or rape the population, simply in betlandin itself attacked the world trade center and the pentagon, and they said that it is necessary to place all bets on the line, that is, it is necessary to use all the forces available and means that we have, and if

we don't have these forces and means, then we have to create them, and they created the pmc. and we hesitate. mr. andriy, thank you very much for the inclusion, i have information resources and analytical resources at my disposal, this is what i am trying to contribute to the promotion of the idea related to private companies, i hope that we will continue to do this and find like-minded people in power, in order to come to an understanding of whether it is necessary or not to put the dots and after that to form a new strategy, but the fact that everything must be put on the line in these harsh conditions. this is absolutely true, thank you very much for the inclusion, for your explanation, i will remind our viewers that it was andrii kepkalo, the founder and head of the private military company omega consulting group, then we will talk about... about weapons, more precisely about the bill on the right to civilian firearms, there are many comments on this bill, and we will talk about it in the context of how it

positively or rather negatively affects the training of our military, in particular, the training of our snipers, but about that after the advertising and information block.

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we continue our program on war and weapons, and we will continue to talk about how we train our professional snipers, but still, in the context of the discussion of the draft law on weapons, which is now to be discussed in the second reading in our parliament, there are many nuances, unpleasant, as for me nuances, and we will talk about this now with our next guest. we are joined by yurii chornomorets, doctor of philosophical sciences, volunteer and sniper, mr. yury, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear, good day to all, i was preparing. you're talking about sniping, but

i think that will be the second part of our conversation, because first of all, the story is about the firearms bill, it worries me, to say the least, because it can't be in the conditions when there's a war, we 're trying aren't we there, the authorities are trying to screw the nuts from the point of view of the fact that the use of weapons becomes so complicated, i know that you have read this bill in detail, or but you know all these painful moments are related to... this bill, i would like to hear your opinion, do we need such a law in the conditions of war? i want to say that the original intention of the draft law was, accordingly, to allow citizens to have more opportunities to own weapons, firstly for self-defense, and secondly, again, for

protection. motherland in the conditions that exist today, but as a result of work in the specialized committee, as a result of the work of the ministry of internal affairs, we have very strange such amendments, which are tougher than even russian legislation, and which are frankly, well, let's say such stabs in the back of the ukrainian defense at the moment, here is the first thing that catches the eye, if, let's say directly, that according to this draft law, for example, you cannot withdraw , as an instructor, you can’t take a sniper group to a training ground, even more so to a training ground in a nearby area, and so on, you have to put a dedicated mia and so on, suddenly, then someone pretended that you didn’t do it or something else something, you immediately

planted with... of course, what is your attitude to the information of the ministry of internal affairs is very easy to lose, and then the person is guilty. again, we see that, well, for example, you are a sniper in the sumy region, yes, and you are, for example, part of the armed forces that fight and protect the border, but you are disturbed at night. are lifted and thrown into another area, where you, accordingly, close the enemy's breakthrough, you fight heroically, then it turns out that since you did it with your personal sniper weapon, i emphasize that a very significant part snipers are fighting with their personal sniper weapons, we only gave 241 of the 244 rifles that we provided to the defense forces of ukraine for

personal use, here it turns out that you are already a violator of the law, and you should bear a very strict responsibility for this, of course, that this is absurd, because training is made impossible, combat work is made impossible, it is made impossible that you, for example, because of your comrades-in-arms there, who have certificates of the same caliber, simply hand them over to the guys, which means ammunition to the front. already guilty, that's how totalitarians are trends, they are very strange to me, because all this effort to make it impossible at all, in ukraine itself, for example, sniping, impossible constant training of the civilian population, all this naturally undermines the defense capability very seriously, and then there are very absurd requirements for ownership

in short. .. with free weapons, a lot of snipers cannot carry with them for self-defense, respectively, well, i don’t know, some arch and something else, and they would like to have with them a glock 17, 19 or 45, but, let's say , it is very difficult to get it, and very often people buy out, wait until they are rewarded with this weapon, then they are either not rewarded. or they are awarded weapons there, which they already had some kind of aunt and so on, people do not have the weapons they would like, for which they would have already paid money, well, in the professionalism of these people, in the fact that they will not use this weapon right, left, it is clear that there is no doubt, along with some people that i do not know,