war in the south, in the west, poland , lithuania, the baltic states, the worse , i emphasize, the worse, the corresponding detachments are being prepared there, the commanders are determined, we know them, well, it seems to me, mr. volodymyr, that both alexander lukashenko and vladimir putin are preparing some kind of second action with the participation of belarus, whether it will be the suvalsky corridor, whether it will be the baltic countries, whether it will be the baltic countries, whether it will be poland, whether it will again be the northern border for ukraine, it is clear that there is no point in analyzing what lukashenko said, but still, here too, for whom this message was directed to the people of belarus or to the west. who does he

traditionally threaten with his shoes? you see, mr. serhiy, i will go back to the speech of the kremlin's chief propagandist lavrov, who said that the west is dumping, literally, what he said, dumping all military junk in ukraine. he is already replacing this junk with the latest weapons, so if with this junk, as lavrov says, it is possible to stop the second army of the world, then the question is, what is it, this army, excuse me, the army, the second army of the world, can advance on nato countries, if today our armed forces are shelling

st. leningrad with this... available junk, as one viewer says, and oil depots are burning there for several days in a row, then the question is who and what putin and lukashenko can threaten with him , well , except that there are bunnies in some forest. somewhere in the north of finland and no more, they don't really have anything to oppose to a collective measure, a collective nato. and now the fact that, by the way, the natos are conducting huge, indeed, in terms of scale and involvement of troops, benevry, gathered more than 90 000 people, this is really the largest maneuvers for. recent years, if not

decades, then this is only in order to clearly and clearly show eight figures, such as lukashenka, lavov, and putin, that biden's phrase that we will defend every inch of nato territory is not for journalists, and it is for those whose heads have not yet cleared a little fog, but for their own... consumers of information, well, it is again the necessity to fight against this evil that has surrounded russia, belarus, and therefore you have to be vigilant, so you have to hold on, that's why one should not think about any kind of democracy, this is a completely unnecessary thing, but one should stand together with lukashenka, putin and other dictators as much as possible, because it is said to be the only way to keep one's independence. so i think

this is again a purely domestic political accent and nothing more. mr. volodymyr, you have already mentioned the north atlantic alliance, these maneuvers that have now begun in europe. in parallel with this, we see how ukraine signs agreements on security guarantees, or on cooperation, they are called or not means that until... ukraine will not be in nato, and it is not known how much, what path we will have ahead of us, what these agreements will be in effect, and if possible, what is the status of these interstate agreements, if they are interstate , then obviously they must undergo ratification in the verkhovna rada, and accordingly in the parliaments of those countries on whose behalf prime ministers or presidents sign there, whether there are any conflicts on the matter. the status of these agreements as

international, because according to our constitution, all international agreements must be ratified in verkhovna rada. well, mr. serhiy , regarding the substance of these agreements, well... come on, we can now talk about the agreement with great britain, it is truly unique, and i think it is a very good example of how issues, interactions, cooperation should be framed in the field of security and defense, it is comprehensive, it covers a lot of areas that we need, and i believe that if it is implemented. it will definitely help us in the security area, and it will help quite significantly, is this a security agreement, in my opinion no, so that the security agreement stipulates

that in the event of an attack on one of the parties to the agreement, the other defends it, as well as defends its own territory, this is exactly what ee is based on... nato, an attack on little estonia means an attack on the big united states america. this is what is called security guarantees for countries that do not have nuclear weapons. we gave up our nuclear weapons under pressure from the same russians and americans. well, everything is clear with the russians, and the americans must ensure our security. yes, just like... british people just like the french, who put their signatures at the level of presidents under the budapest memorandum, although it is not valid in practical terms, but no one canceled it, that is, it is not valid, but the obligations remain, so now these

obligations are needed to simply translate it into the form that will truly become a guarantee of security for us, and this is the only way, this is joining nato. everything else, this, and this is what is said in this treaty itself, is temporary, it is said that when ukraine joins nato, the parties will change, some provisions of this agreement, because there will no longer be any need for this, so these are temporary agreements until ukraine joins nato, and therefore... let's be honest and let's tell the truth to our fellow citizens, these are not guarantees in the sense of guarantees for the members of the alliance, these are excellent multilateral, multi-layered, multi-stage

agreements on assistance in the field of defense and security, it is true, and if we have such agreements with , say. most nato countries, it will definitely be a big positive for us, but i will repeat again, this will not mean that these treaties will provide that our visas will defend ukraine in the event of a russian attack today or tomorrow. look, the agreement is signed, are british troops helping us to beat the russians on ukrainian soil? they do not help and will not help, because this agreement does not provide for it, therefore, about guarantees in the sense that we imagine it, this agreement does not give those guarantees. mr. volodymyr, thank you for the conversation, this was

volodymyr hryzko, politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-9, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on ours. forms on youtube and facebook, if you watch us on youtube and facebook, please like this video, write a comment under this video and take part in our survey, today we ask you something like this, do you trust anti-corruption law enforcement authorities, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, choose either yes or no, write your comment if your comment does not match the two answer options, if you watch take us on the air... please have a smartphone or a phone and vote, if you trust the anti-corruption authorities, you vote on the number 0,800-211-381, not 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program

we let's sum up the results of this vote. next we will be in touch with serhii taran, political scientist, mr. serhii, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on the air, i congratulate you, unfortunately, mr. serhii. but zelenskyy said a few months or a few weeks ago, or rather, that the elections in ukraine before there will be no end to the war, there is martial law , there is current... legislation that does not allow these elections to be held, and the one who talks about the elections is, in principle, not a very good person, because during a war these topics should not be raised, well, once again zelenskyi was asked about the elections, what he thinks of the british from the fourth news channel, and he said that in ukraine it is necessary to think about how to hold presidential elections, although the law prohibits this during martial law, after all, someone is thinking about elections and after all, someone is trying

think about how to conduct these elections. to what extent do you think there is a prospect that these elections will be held in ukraine in some form, well, it is meant, well, for example, through an action where part of the people who are abroad can participate by voting, or part of the people who went from permanent residence due to the war. living as internally displaced persons, how realistic is it? well , in your question, they are really thinking about the election, but it is actually impossible, neither legally nor politically, to actually hold it during the war. why are they thinking about elections? and because if we talk about elections immediately after the end of hostilities, it is very difficult to even roughly imagine their results, because these results will depend on... how the hostilities end, how

the war ends, or at least some phase of the war, and so on , if there is a question about whether it will end with a restoration, a full restoration of the borders of 1991, then the question arises, and what other questions will voters have during this election campaign, who will be responsible not only for victory, but also for those failures which were in ukraine, for example, before the war, during training. and it will be very difficult to answer all these questions, therefore, of course , it would be logical and safer for the authorities to hold these elections during a military campaign during the war, but here another question arises, how it can be done legally, and therefore, of course, i i can't imagine how this can be done, although i understand why someone thinks about it, but i want to warn that even if we theoretically imagine that these elections can be held during the war, the questions i... what the voters will have before various political forces will not disappear after the end of hostilities

, i predict that after the war there will be an extremely difficult political period, when many questions will be raised, there will be many scandals, there will be many investigations, and it will be very painful for everyone, because it will be very painful to go through all that happened during the war, and this political tension, it will still drive politics. before the holding of new elections, before the holding of, i emphasize, new, early elections, in the event that the elections before will take place during hostilities , so the problem will not go away, and of course, the big question of legitimacy, well, if there are elections during the war, what will be the question of the legitimacy of these elections, how can the integrity of the vote count be guaranteed, which observers can we even talk about international, and most importantly, listen, how will the military participate in the election campaign? well, they can theoretically vote through action, but it will be wrong if we constitutionally limit their ability

to directly participate in the election campaign, and that's why there will be a lot of questions here, and that's why, taking into account all these questions, we have a situation where it is impossible to hold elections during martial law, but they are thinking about them and they will definitely be thinking about them in the future, because those problems , which are now there, they will not disappear anywhere, and we must say once again what president zelensky says about it , so that it does not look like serhiy taran and serhiy rudenko are sitting on the air of the espresso tv channel and rocking this boat and they are trying to promote the idea of ​​holding elections there, no, friends, this is what president zelenskyi says, but on the other hand, mr. serhiu, if there are no elections during martial law, and this state of affairs can last for several years or five years, does this mean that ukraine has to... deal with those elected deputies

, with that elected president, with those elected deputies of local councils, where, by the way, 4,000 opz representatives remain, and they are active deputies in local self-government bodies, what to do with this martial law, and how long this martial law lasts. and what to do with these people, and how to ensure democracy if that it is generally appropriate to speak during war. well, i would suggest at least returning it in moderation. freedom of speech in ukraine, it would relieve the tension that arises, in particular, because of the fact that you just said it, because of the existence of the opszh, in power, in some local authorities, and because of the scandals that occasionally arise in ukrainian politicians, due to corruption, the full return of freedom of speech, i emphasize, which do not touch freedom of speech on military issues, but purely on

socio-political issues, would to some extent compensate for this political tension, which now there is in society, which... well, it will not be possible to hide it with a single telethon, you know, if we often talk now about the example of israel, i want to remind you that in israel democracy did not disappear anywhere during the war, and freedom of speech also exists there, yes, there is censorship there, but it affects military issues, i believe that in the future there should be censorship in ukraine as well, which affects military issues, but regarding non-military issues, there could be some discussion, there could be different positions, different point of view, and it would to some extent... push the eyes of all the complex ones questions to which there are no answers. i want to emphasize that these questions still arise, they arise in such a way that they then appear, for example, in foreign mass media, so now, paradoxically, during the war, foreign media are now very popular in ukraine, so that their own media, well, they started, with a small exception , actually do not write freely about politics, or

appear in them in telegram channels, and there is another problem, that information that appears in telegram channels. anonymous, there is no signature under it, so you can put anything whatever, there is no responsibility, it 's bad, especially during the war, so i think that some kind of political discussion, of course with observance, i emphasize, with observance of the principles of national unity, should be held in ukrainian society, and there may be a desire to hold elections there or not the elections will disappear altogether, because at least under the conditions of compliance with the principles of national unity, perhaps even under the conditions of creating a single coalition... in my opinion, this would be another issue too, by the way, it would be very important to talk now in ukraine, maybe it would remove all these issues that exist in ukraine, by the way, it seems to me that the coalition government would definitely be a good alternative to early elections during the war. a coalition government - this would mean that all ukrainian political forces would join it, take joint responsibility for

what is happening in the country, accordingly , no one would have grounds for political speculation, and this would be correct, and this it would be... very, by the way, good for our international partners to see such unity of ukraine, and it would definitely be better than elections during the war. you mentioned journalists, and two stories that are literally unfolding before our eyes, this is the story of journalist yuri nikolov, to whom unknown people came, began to bang on the door, and there they plastered his apartment with stickers of ukhyland and so on. that he is afraid of something there, the person who wrote about corruption in the ministry of defense, this story with eggs for 17 hryvnias, this is the story of yuri nikolov, on the one hand, on the other hand, monitoring over a long period of time those who works for denys bigus, in the team

of journalists, investigators, well, we see how in principle all this is happening, how it is... it seems, how everything is developing, we see a not very quick reaction of the authorities, because for several days they thought, something is wrong with this to do, after all, zelenskyi said that it is necessary to protect journalists, and the security service of ukraine announced that they will now investigate who these scoundrels are who put pressure on journalists, but here are the bells, they say that obviously, obviously, in... the president's office, which invites executives to its meetings or journalists of anonymous telegram channels see democracy and freedom of speech in ukraine in a completely different way. i am not talking about the three channels that were also sanctioned,

it is not clear at all when they were thrown out of t2, espresso, the fifth channel and direct. what do you think zelenskyi's team is trying to achieve, that is , they want to curtail freedom of speech, they want to show that journalists are not the main thing here, and how do they react to this in the west , how does the west perceive it, that is, for the west , journalists are always the fourth power, it every time he tries to show that journalists are drug addicts, evasions, i don't know, and so on, then... that is , they write a lot, a lot about journalists, and they allow themselves to do it, again, these anonymous telegram channels , which of them are very in... let's say so, respected by the representatives of the office of the president of ukraine? well, this is an example, they cited, for me, they are an illustration of

how difficult it is to suppress freedoms for journalists, even in war conditions. therefore , any such attack remains an even greater focus on what journalists do and do themselves. and of course, nobody will benefit from this, neither journalists nor those who try to suppress this freedom of speech. well, if it doesn't make sense, then why do it, impersonating ukraine? after all, the west is really watching what is happening in ukraine very carefully, and considering that the ukrainian issue is now, well, on the number one agenda in many political discussions in the west, well, for example, in the united states, this is one of the first issues during the election campaign, any scandal there is very acutely perceived, it immediately acquires distribution in mass media. information about him is constantly spoken by politicians, and politicians who criticize the government that supports the provision of aid to ukraine, they immediately say,

who do you support, look, they have corruption there, they suppress even freedom of speech there, so it is very bad when such cases happen, and of course in the west it is very harshly perceived, very bad, because for them it is still freedom of speech, it does not disappear anywhere, even during war, especially if journalists write about some troubles in to the authorities i will emphasize the position once again, well, this is my position, and in principle, it is generally supported in the west, and of course, during a war, it is possible to limit freedom of speech, but if they touch on issues of military security, the movement of armed forces, information about shelling, i believe absolutely right, when there is a requirement not to publish, for example, anti-aircraft work, these are completely understandable things, i think that no one should have any doubts about this, but ... which touches on some other issues , related to corruption, transparency of government, then no one supports restrictions, because on the contrary, it only worsens the security situation in ukraine. that's why in the west they look like this.

i think that i would like that, of course, there were more reasons in ukraine to talk about the fact that democracy has not gone anywhere and that post-war actions will not take place, because it is for values, it is for values ​​that ukraine is now fighting for, that is what makes common values ​​of both the west and ukraine, and we must think about it. because anyone who violates such values ​​in ukraine, thereby undermines the unity between the west and ukraine, undermines the possibility of assistance from of the west of ukraine, and clearly does not work for ukrainian victory. against the background of what is happening to journalists, ihor mazepa was arrested, and the concord capital investment company was raided, and now we are watching how public organizations and businessmen begin to speak out about this and say that it is unfair , in particular

, the manifesto 42 public business movement announced a warning action in case of further ignoring by the authorities of the arbitrariness of the rear security forces, on february 1 , business owners will suspend their work for an hour company, we are waiting for the state leadership to take further steps to solve the problem that threatens the national security of the state by 12:00 on february 1, 20... the fourth year, the president of ukraine and the government to develop and submit to the verkhovna rada legislative initiatives developed by the public movement manifesto 42 with the involvement of leading lawyers, aimed at limiting the abuse of power by inversions during searches, seizure of accounts and property. another story, mr. serhiu, government and business. that is, the government and journalists, the government and business, and more government and there is an opposition, but we will not talk about it during this broadcast, because danilov said that there is no opposition, well, that is, it is

the impression that he simply got into the times of yanukovych, when there was no opposition, all the people of donetsk were around, business wise, what do you think about all this? i think that now it is necessary to make every effort so that ukraine... has business left, i think that those people who are currently engaged in business in ukraine are actually heroic, well, for sure, well, definitely second only to the armed forces, because now in the current under the conditions, to somehow keep something, still somehow try to keep jobs, somehow pay taxes, which, by the way, now lives and works for the country, and in particular supports the armed forces of ukraine, well, you have to know how to do it, you have to respect it, it seems to me that instead of twisting the grove, it would be better now ... completely liberalize business, give it the opportunity to develop, remove all checks, of course, funds are needed, taxes are needed, but we can talk about this with

western partners, because ukraine is now defending. and that is why our western partners can help them economically now ukraine, of course, needs preliminary talks about this, our diplomats need to work on it, insist on it, but for ukrainian business now all barriers must be removed, well, we understand that if there is also pressure on business now, then it will simply will stop work, from which the ukrainian economy will develop, so i think that it looks very ugly now. when any kind of pressure is put on a business, even if you imagine that there are possible violations in some business, then i think that at least as long as this business pays taxes, it must develop, and then after the war we will figure it out, all the more so, you know, right now because we do not have such a free discussion, any such event as the arrest of a businessman will still cause some speculation or some hypotheses, yes itself and around there arrest or detention. mazepa,

now there are also a lot of theories, versions, i think that this is wrong, at least in view of the fact that now in ukraine we need trust, and when one businessman is arrested and the second one is not taken, it immediately arises the question is why, why can we have theoretically selective justice, i really would not like this to be the history of ukraine, and therefore the most important thing now would be to remove all issues with business, just give it the opportunity to work. they pay taxes as much as they can, let them work, then after the war we'll figure it out, we say that in ukraine we need to put politics on hold, put a pause on politics, and figure everything out after the war, maybe we 'll do the same with business, as long as he pays, of course taxes and receives the armed forces, thank you mr. serhiy, it was serhiy taran, a political scientist, a person who knows about ukrainian politics, well , practically everything, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our

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victims, what, mr. dmytro, do the latest mass attacks by russians on the capital and other cities testify, how does the current nature of these mass attacks differ from the previous ones? well, it is worth mentioning that the masonic nature of the russian occupiers' attacks was primarily aimed at the vital civil infrastructure, which distinguishes it from previous attacks, explains 40 rockets. approximately up to 30% are missiles that have a certain radius of deviation from the target (x-22) of several hundred meters, s300 anti-aircraft guided missiles, respectively, which were used for strikes on kharkiv, they have a radius of deviation from the target of about 50 m, that is, we can talk about the fact that they hit with indiscriminate types of weapons that

lead accordingly. to the numerical facts , er, er, to the numerical facts of civilian deaths, in addition, it is worth mentioning that there was a combined nature of the attack with the use of both cruise ballistic missiles and, accordingly, anti-aircraft guided missiles, it is also worth noting about that it is not accidental to hit a civilian. cities of ukraine, it is actually the russian federation was considered as a response to provocations in donetsk actually created by the russian special services. by the way, piskov stated that , actually, the missile attack should not be considered as a response to the attack on donetsk, but when such statements are heard, it should be clearly understood that, accordingly, the missile attack on donetsk itself.