of prisoners of war who were brought to belgrade for exchange in the ministry of defense of ukraine, confirmed that the exchange of prisoners between russia and ukraine was supposed to take place today, but it is not happening at the moment. a lot of time has passed since the plane crash in belgorod oblast, judging by how these events are developing, and how russia is commenting on all this, trying to shift all... the blame for what happened in the skies of belgorod oblast, and hinting that, that we killed our prisoners of war who were flying from russia, is there a technical possibility to find out whether there were still ukrainian prisoners of war on board this plane or not, at the moment there are no technical possibilities, it is possible only through our available operational sources and... through international

organizations that would have, in particular the red cross, and organizations ob' of the united nations, which should pay attention to how the transportation and safety of prisoners of war in the war zone is ensured. russia is already starting to demand an urgent meeting of the un security council due to the downing of a military plane in the belgorod region, serhii lavrov, who is at the assembly at the un says that he hopes that the french presidency of the security council will ensure that such a meeting is held today at 10:00 p.m. kyiv, of course, in this situation, russia will appeal there to whether it is necessary to give weapons, again ukraine, as they did during the conclusions regarding the shelling.

bazaar on e-e in donetsk region, in donetsk, literally last weekend, because they had already called a meeting of the un security council and tried to tell and shift all the blame to the ukrainian side we know that russia usually lies in these situations, and in such cases, when they blatantly lied from high stands both about buchi and about the downing of flight mh-17 over donetsk in 2014. many, in what way do you think ukraine should assert its right and prove to the whole world that russia is the aggressor, and in this situation it is absolutely responsible for everything that happens both in ukraine during the shelling and on the territory of the russian federation? well, actually, first of all, you need to pull yourself together, calm down, and...

calmly understand the situation , the situation is very simple: the plane, which was allegedly transporting our prisoners, did not fly to belgrade, but flew from belgrad, this time, and secondly, this plane, literally yesterday, was still in very far southern regions, in particular in to the syrian, in syria, from syria he flew through... there, well, in a detour there through egypt, there through other countries , bypassing those countries where russian military aircraft cannot fly and brought something to the same belgrade, what he brought is unclear, if he brought from our syria and egypt prisoners of war, here is the question , what was he doing there then, what were our conscripts doing, the second question, which was asked by one of our former...

prisoners of war, what are the three accompanying persons, if they are, well then , that russia transports prisoners of war by airplanes is an indisputable fact, he confirmed it himself, he himself was transported, he was exchanged on january 3, or before, no, no, he was wrapped earlier, but the fact remains , they transfer prisoners , transport is moved by airplanes, but in an airplane, an airplane, for everyone there... i don't know, well, there was a certain number of people, for 50 people, there were 20 guards, that is, for 63 people or 65 of our prisoners of war, well, there can't be three, three escorts, and such facts that cause some there are many doubts about the veracity of this information, starting from the fact that the deputies actively participated in the information campaign. the state duma,

the so-called propagandists and so on, and so on, diplomats immediately joined in, you immediately see the un, a military plane, that's the main thing. what was he doing in the war zone, which is 30 km to the actual border, to active hostilities , this question arises, everything else is derivative, they transported prisoners, they did not transport them, they must ensure the safety of prisoners on their territory until the moment they are handed over to us, everything, you mentioned the ukrainian prisoner of war, this is maksym kolesnikov , he just wrote about the fact that when they... were returning home, and when they were being returned home, there were about 20 of the so-called military police for every 50 prisoners, from bryansk to belgorod, they flew by plane, despite the the way russia quickly launched this

information campaign about this plane very quickly, that is, literally within an hour or two, and the russian propagandists joined in, and the deputies joined in, now already... mother joined in, which, the head of which is now in the un security council, could it be a special operation that has been held for a long time, but it was designed that if it happens, we will make the following statements, well, if something happens to a russian plane near the border with ukraine, and this could happen to any plane , because these planes are usually either carry weapons or launch rockets. the territory of the ukrainian state and that these lists, which also promptly appeared on the part of the russian side, that they could have been prepared a long time ago, they were simply waiting for the moment when they would simply make it public and make this an event of such a global

scale that ukrainians seem to they shoot at their own, who are sent there for exchange. look, this is not the first provocation. does russia get along with our prisoners, everyone now remembered olenivka, where ukraine was also accused of allegedly using missiles hamersa destroyed more than 50 of its prisoners of war, that is, it really could have been a prepared provocation aimed at several moments, the first moment is to once again discredit ukraine on the international stage, eh... that they don't know for whom they shoot and do not understand what they are doing , this is to show the citizens of the russian federation why we do not carry out an exchange, because you see, with whom we have cannibals, they kill their own, another problem that they

solved, it is in this way as if warn our military from shooting down future planes, because it is possible that our prisoners of war will be in those planes. and this is actually a terrorist terrorist act, because using prisoners of war to cover military facilities, military military equipment, and other military operations there is actually a war crime, and it is considered a rather, well, rather gross provocation and is being investigated at the international level , but you see, there is one nuance, about which, probably, because of... they forgot or they deliberately miss it, during the preparation for exchanges are agreed upon such a conditional silence, including the safety

of the flights of certain planes, are discussed, regarding which are used during the exchange, that is, no one from our command, knowing that there should be a large exchange, well... definitely not i would use some of my forces and means there to, well, eliminate the military aircraft of the russian federation in order to undermine the possibility of exchanging our prisoners in this way, and earlier this and that was discussed, agreed upon, and during the exchanges, in fact, well, i didn’t i say that there is silence on the entire front, but on this part of the front there were definitely no... there were no provocations from one side, from the other side they tried to avoid them, so everything that is happening now is an open provocation from the russian federation, and ukraine can only wait for the evidence , what kind of evidence will it be,

will it be presented on the bodies of our prisoners of war, well, then we have to deal with international experts, where did they come from, were they really destroyed in the plane, or were they behind... that is, it could be , what is this list, what are they made public, this is a list of those people who could have been killed, well, for example, the same olenivtsi, because they write about the soldiers of the 12th azov battalion, you know, the most interesting thing is that now on the internet there are such assumptions that there are even people on those lists , who were changed on january 3, you understand , that is, it is still unknown what kind of lists they started and everything was on their knees, they were so quickly, quickly preparing to shut down their entire operation, and it is interesting that there it fell out of that plane, but... some pallets with weapons of some sort could fall out of the plane, probably, but no way

not prisoners of war. mr. general, it was not for nothing that i remembered the year 2014, the month of july, when russian terrorists shot down a malaysian boeing that was in the airspace over donbas, and you can now either confirm or deny it, because i know that you have information, you were the deputy head of the sbu, you probably know that. is it true that at the moment when this malaysian boeing was in the air over donbas, at the same time, a russian plane with passengers from russia was flying over donbas, and the russians simply wanted to stage a provocation, to shoot down their plane , to accuse the ukrainians of shooting down a passenger plane, but mistakenly shot down a malaysian boeing, in a nutshell, and it happened on july 17, we had information that on july 18 there were some incomprehensible blue

helmets from russia the federations, somewhere several brigades, were supposed to enter, the so-called peacekeepers, were supposed to enter the territory of ukraine under some pretext, what pretext, no one understood, and when it really turned out that parallel, well not parallel, there they crossed in one point, these two planes were going, one plane was going to luau kompur. this is a malaysian boeing, and the other one in larnaca was transporting people on, i understand, on vacation, and this plane was really supposed to be this particular plane was supposed to be shot down and not just shot down, it was supposed to fall in the territory controlled by ukraine, not by militants, and then there was a reason to enter this territory, to take it under the control of the russians. to accuse ukraine of international terrorism, of shooting down a plane of the russian air fleet with russian

citizens on board, the incident turned out to be unfortunately or fortunately, i don't know what to call it , uh, when people die, and they shot down the wrong plane, and that, and this plane was not in the territory controlled by ukraine, in the territory controlled by the militants, and on there was not a single citizen of the russian federation on board this plane, and the case of casus belli was postponed until august, when, somewhere in the 20s of august, they still went with the same forces to the saur grave and further, that's all , that is, provocations at the level of destruction of its citizens, the russian federation can prepare quite effectively. well, we must also remember how they exploded in the early 2000s. houses in moscow, and in volgodonsk, and in other cities of the russian

federation, where chechens were accused, or let's say, those who were supporters of the independent chechen republic, and for the fsb , this is a common practice, what do you say, as a professional, that is, how often they use such methods, i understand that when they killed prigozhin above the sky. of the moscow region, then they absolutely did not feel sorry for those pilots who were transporting the handsome man there for his team, in this situation they too, in in principle, human life is not worth anything at all for the russians, or is that exactly the case, because if they now claim that there were not only prisoners on that plane, but also some negotiators there, that there was some group of representatives there from ... from kadyrov, from

some other structures, and all of them will now pretend that they have been destroyed, well, for them, human life is not worth anything at all, when the question is about some of their strategic efforts to push political problems into another or the other side, that is war for them all. elements is a special operation, well, in the classical sense, putin is the president and comes out of the federal security service of the sgb, to put it simply, he is to everyone. all these elements of this war are treated as special operations, as provocations, as yes, as sabotage, as some specific elements that make up this mosaic of this so-called special military operation? you don't have to go far, you have to understand that all shelling of ukrainian territories, especially recently, is not aimed at any military there

advantage, to destabilize the situation inside the country, to destroy. the civilian population in order to, i don't know, terrify the civilian population there, so that they go to the streets, try to put pressure on the authorities, because they don't have victories on the battlefield, the ones they want, maybe there are some tactical advances of 100 m there, 100 m there is, but it is not possible to capture some large cities, regional centers there, and for this it is necessary to destabilize the situation in certain territories of ukraine. to make as many victims as possible among the civilian population, that is introduction, connection of informational components, and this is waging a hybrid war, when people do not wage war in the classical sense of the word, but use all methods to achieve their goals,

mr. general, the main intelligence agency of the ministry of defense on its website. .. tells about how in august of last year , a ukrainian reconnaissance group infiltrated the territory of the russian federation and, after covering 600 km on foot, neutralized three enemy tu-22 aircraft. it is obviously about the events at the airfield soltsi, this is in the novgorod region of the russian federation, where one tu-22 was completely burned and two more were damaged. during the return of the group to the territory controlled by ukraine , then, unfortunately, colonel oleg babii died, he was posthumously awarded the title of hero of ukraine, this is one of the episodes of our struggle, the heroic struggle against the russian occupiers in the rear, as far as such a struggle is concerned, to what extent such special operations can weaken the russian federation, it is clear that 3tu is a sufficiently powerful special operation and very painful

for the russian aviation, to what extent... these sabotage special operations of ukraine can be painful for russia not only in the novgorod region, but also in other regions of russia? conceptually, everything is very simple: the more there is about any events that russia cannot, cannot arrange on its territory, explosions, sabotage, detonation of railways, train derailments, m... if drones fly somewhere, some extraordinary events, the more this happens in different places of the russian federation, the more often russia will think about it, not russia itself as such its abstract organism, and its population will think about what are the first causes of

all these events, and this time, and secondly, it distracts quite significantly. the russian federation on the need to use forces and means to protect certain objects, which, also taking into account its large territory, will greatly harm their, well, it will affect their ability to conduct effective combat operations on the territory of ukraine, therefore the postponement of military operations, the postponement of all those... extraordinary events on the territory of the enemy, this is an effective fight against him, deterring him, and in the end, one of the elements of our future victory. mr. general, thank you for the conversation, it was general viktor yagun. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. if you watch us live on

youtube, please like this video, subscribe to our channel, and take part in our vote. today we ask you the following question: do you trust anonymous telegram channels? yes, no, please vote on youtube, either with the yes or no button if you watch us in tv broadcasts, pick up the phone and vote, if you trust anonymous telegram channels 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, call, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. later on our broadcast, yuriy nikolov, journalist, co-founder. of an independent group, our money, yuriy, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air, congratulations, sergey, good evening, i will not ask you anonymous telegram channels, because anonymous telegram channels. many write about you and many are writing in connection with the event around your residence, unknown people who came to your door, plastered your door

with various inscriptions, they demanded that you go to the tsk or join the army, the law enforcement officers are already reporting that they have detained people , who tried to break into your apartment, they are being investigated, you know what kind of people they are and most importantly, who hired them. no, i don’t know anything, i, along with the whole country, just watch a video about myself somewhere in anonymous telegram channels, along with everyone , i read press releases about the fact that someone detained, well, i draw some conclusions with my boyish mind, but i unfortunately do not yet have any objective data about what is happening there under the pretext of the investigation, were you asked about what you think about it, and you gave evidence there ? what could you show, who could do it? well, of course, the police during the interrogation, well , the survey asked my opinion about it, and i

said that i definitely consider it pressure on me as a journalist, because to put pressure on me as a person, well, it's just, well, pointless, well we somehow have few people in ukraine, to whom they come and cover the door with such things, even ordinary people, so... that means my journalistic activity is meant, who am i until now, well, i don't know yet, i hope that the investigation there will find the organizers of this attack, and what i knew, you know, well, as a journalist, i immediately thought to myself, what would i do to establish where it is running, it is definitely necessary to find these guys attackers, it is definitely necessary to find their correspondence phones in order to obtain data about where did they get the order for... this ah, i don't know, the outhouse, i call it something like that , here's how to understand how these guys, who,

according to the investigation, were detained in zhytomyr, cherkasy and kyiv regions, i.e. they live and are far from each other, someone gathered in one place in kyiv and made it possible to post a video about their debacle in... the debish itself, that is, they are there for this video, the anonymous telegram channel, in fact, during which you showed now in ether, they posted it and continued there after that knocking on my door for a few minutes, that is, there is definitely some connection with the owners of this telegram channel, so i think that society has such a logical dimension, where you can work and where to find organizers, well, the guys just responded right away. they said: here we are in front of nikalov's door, here we knocked, here we were doing all this, this, this is absolutely clear. you, a person who knows everything about ukrainian corruption, well, or almost everything, and

obviously, obviously, you can say for sure what corruption is in zelensky’s time different from the corruption that existed in earlier times, that is, it is clear that the conditions in which corruption lives now are conditions of war, and this corruption ... it is a serious crime, for those who are on the front, for those who fights, in relation to those who do not receive something, because someone there takes and steals on eggs, on provisions, on food and on all of all the equipment. well, the first difference is that under zelenskyi, or rather now during the war, the attention of international allies to ukraine. unbelievable, well, now our state budget is supported by dollars, jews, yen for 70% of our entire budget , there was no such thing before, it never happened, well

, the imf there financed 2-3-4% of our budget there, and that is why our government has always, you know, entered into such a game: let's swing we will promise reforms to the imf, we will report something there, and they will take it as a reform, and it has always worked, by the way. the imf continued to support us, but when the dependence on the budget and on foreign friends became so critical, it became clear that we cannot continue in the old way, because you know when there blinkin or pritzker is looking you in the eye, or borel is there and says in english: "vladimir, what the fuck" to some cheek there, well, you can't continue it in the old regime, and that's why we 're watching now, that ... from the transparent sector, what is happening transparently in procurement, the corruption margin is really disappearing, right before our eyes, but at the same time we

see in... more signals that corruption - corruption is shifting to the law enforcement sector , customs officers, tax collectors, that is , where bribes are demanded, and so signals more and more from there, and here it seems to me that lately we have begun to approach the infamous times of yanukovych, well, so far we are separated from it by such a thin line, because during the times of the donetsk people, i remember how they kicked out doors with their feet in which... companies came in and demanded 50 + one vote of the authorized capital, let's roll out the table and then you will work. so far, well, i have not yet seen such a thing, that there is a direct squeezing of companies like that, but the pressure from the law enforcement officers, well, it seems to me, is already quite significant, well, more than it was there before the invasion, but returning to corruption, of course, corruption has two sides,

the one who takes. the order, and the one who receives for giving the order, because it does not happen that the hrenkevich family is put in jail and they are accused of embezzling 1.5 billion hryvnias, or losses of 1.5 billion hryvnias, and on the other hand, well, they organized this criminal scheme, which was operating somewhere in the ministry of defense, and builders, builders from lviv began to provide for the armed forces of ukraine, well... it doesn't even happen in fairy tales that people come from nowhere, they were immediately given such contracts and they just took it and the guys got up on it, that is, can we expect that we will hear the names of all the people who were involved in this, because 1 .5 billion is not 1,500 uah or 1,500 uah, but 150,000 uah, and obviously, when there is not enough money for everything during

the war, well, just take and... and withdraw 1.5 billion somewhere, well you just have to be able to do it, and most importantly, why didn't the anti-corruption bodies, which or the bodies which should these wraps be preempted? well, why didn’t they see, it’s clear, and what did they see at all from what was happening, i have the impression that somehow , in recent years, journalists work a little more efficiently than our law enforcement officers, well, in some stories, law enforcement officers are ahead, but you know, the biggest... history, somehow they always start with journalistic investigations, and case hrynkevich surprises me the most because he is so, you know, openly open, right at the law enforcement officers, hrynkevich's head they show the show, but they immediately report that they are terminating contracts with him, and for the first time in my memory, a representative of the state security bureau refused a bribe of half a million dollars, i

have not yet... heard such a debacle that someone refused any what a bribe , here they took it and refused it in character, that's why , let's say this, the grynkevichev case falls out very much, because imagine, there are businessmen detained in this case, but as they say, not a single official was injured, and this applies the same bulletproof vests that are still possible supplies for the ministry of defense, according to which... just to give another example, it is known that the deputy minister of defense shapavalo is currently in pre-trial detention center, he is also accused of purchasing low-quality bulletproof vests there at the beginning of the invasion, and also at an inflated price, so he is in detention, but i don't know anything about his case, that any charges have been brought against

the company that supplied something there. you see, that is, in our case, businessmen are blamed, not defense officials, in all other stories, as far as i know, everything is blamed exactly someone from the ministry, but not a company , and therefore this is some kind of special case, i think that , unfortunately, for me now he is not a symbol of the state's fight against corruption in the controlled industry, well, instead of fighting corruption, the state started to fight with journalists, the matter regarding... yuriy nikolova and these are some nefarious attempts to enter your apartment or scare your relatives, your mother and you there, this is one case, the second case is the bigus team, which was followed there for a year and tracked, recorded what, who says where, where they are, 30 people who come into the some country houses, set up video cameras, that is, some such maneuvers that just...