all ukrainians in other regions and settlements, in general, if we talk about the events and news of the last day regarding the terrible actions of russia and in general everything connected with it, well, it's not only that it's physical terror, it's also more terror is psychological, even if we talk about the incident with the downed plane, well, in general , it is impossible to comment on it officially, because we do not know definitively, but even the pressure they exert is so psychological, at the same time, well, in one word, the people of dnipro whether they are angry or whether they are holding on or still well, how can i say, the angry ones hold on, well, no one gives up, but you know, this is aggression , which has come to us so much in our homes. there is simply no limit to her, and

emotionally it is very difficult, but everyone holds on, and this causes an even greater increase in morale. madam, mrs. kateryna, thank you , kateryna nemchenko, a deputy of the dnipropetrovsk regional council, about the situation in nikopol, which is being shelled, just like kherson every day and every night, and about the dnipro, and now we will talk with a deputy of the verkhovna rada, because there is a post a new draft law. he is like that it is strange that we have more questions than answers, but maybe andriy osadchuk has the answers, he is in touch with our studio, mr. andriy, good evening, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, good evening, we are about the bill that you will consider, this is about multiple citizenship, and i have a number of questions, one after the other: firstly, there used to be a priority bill on dual citizenship, as far as i remember, it came from... and so nothing

was done with it , somewhere there is dust, is it possible to consider the plural now, if you still they did not vote there beforehand , well, first of all, not in that, not in that, these words are not plural or double, they are called there somehow by a large number of words to improve migration, migration legislation, but this is such a journalistic stamp, or a political stamp that ... just to highlight the point, well, the speakers of the president's office actually use this rhetoric, i think it's quite dangerous, but going back to your question about the procedure and what if i had to consider something, you see, it already the third volodymyr zelenskyi's approach to this issue, if i am not mistaken, they voiced it during the election campaign and it is positioned as the fulfillment of their pre-election promises. but so in the 21st year

, a bill was submitted, well, not similar, but very similar, it was considered by the profile committee of state construction, as i know, it was approved before the first reading, and then there were some disturbances, they even wrote some additional so -called the deputy's version has already been finalized, but it is not so before the session hall arrived, although at that time, you and the audience probably remember that there was a very... and emotional discussion of this discussion, now in fact the president's team has decided to return to this topic, i think, first of all from a political point of view, because from a procedural point of view you you correctly hint that of course, well, two similar draft laws from the same submission subject probably create more problems than any real prospects of reaching any result, the idea is that the previous submission should be withdrawn. but since it is not

accepted in the servants of the people team, now the poor committee on state construction will be forced somehow, i don't know, to glue these two bills together or somehow consider them separately , but of course it will be a procedural and regulatory mess, but i think we are all interested not so much in the regulations as in the substance, but look at the substance, mr. andriy , in fact , tell me, because i have such a professional deformity, i was not brought up on tv shows, we were taught logical thinking, and according to logic... er, there is a certain conflict here, in fact, our constitution determines the presence of one passport, one citizenship, and if entered a few, then the text of the constitution should probably be changed, but the constitution prohibits changing the constitution, even in a legal way through two sessions and the conclusions of the constitutional court , because the law on martial law is in effect, well, some kind of ouroboros exit, some kind of closed circle, that’s what i would do ... roman, i am trying to tell you about

politics, and you are trying to talk about jurisprudence, and of course you say everything correctly, because this discussion was back in the 21st year, and everyone has probably already studied it in ukraine and... it would be good , so that everyone knows that in the fourth article of the constitution it is written that in ukraine there is a single citizenship , period, and theoretically you can have any conversations about double, triple or any other legislation, but of course it is necessary to make absolutely clear what the fourth article of the constitution means? if it says that there can be only one citizenship in ukraine, that is, a citizen of ukraine can only be a citizen of ukraine, and in all other cases, if he acquires it. citizenship of another state, there should be sanctions for this, and by the way, we know that there were such cases in 22-23 year, when some figures were deprived of ukrainian citizenship precisely on the basis of the fact that they acquired the citizenship of other states, then this is one story, and if the constitutional court says that it is possible

to look at it differently there, it will be another story, but again you in their question, they themselves gave an answer to all this legal casuistry, in pre-war times, although theoretically it was possible to appeal to the constitutional court, wait for its conclusion and, on the basis of this conclusion, for example, make changes to the constitution. now it is devoid of any meaning, because accordingly before the laws of wartime, we do not have the right to touch the constitution with our hands, it does not matter in what procedure it is one, two or three sessions or something similar, that is, until there is a position of the constitutional court on citizenship, there is nothing to talk about at all, but let's talk a little about politics, and political a component , i think very much for... it is obvious to me, of course i could be wrong, but on the day of the unification, the president had to be given some more or less positive messages not related to the war, and of course, which would somehow emphasize the unification ukrainians, both in ukraine and ukrainians all over the world, and

they did not give anything better than to return to discussions about the so-called multiple legislation, but i see in this a significant danger that does not concern legal details. remember when we discussed this in the 21st year, and how the president's team presented it, they appealed to the fact that there are many ukrainians in the world, many people of ukrainian origin, who would probably like to build stronger ties with ukraine, such small towns, cultural, personal, and of course it would be interesting for them to get ukrainian citizenship without losing their main citizenship, and there was a discussion around this, now, strangely enough. the president and his speakers have in fact repeated this thesis in one way or another, but it seems to me that it should be obvious to everyone that the context of a broad war is completely different. in less than two years of the war, we have at least 6 million ukrainian refugees,

forced migrants outside ukraine. and we all perfectly understand that the longer the war lasts, the higher the risks of what people will stay abroad, and what does pro mean? to stay abroad, of course , to legalize one's status, one cannot indefinitely be in the status of a temporary shelter there, if the family has decided to stay there, and from this point of view, these are the statements at the highest level that people hear from ukrainians abroad, in my opinion sound very dangerous, because in my opinion , on the contrary, they push ukrainians to obtain local documents for permanent residence, to obtain documents for... local citizenship, this is one risk, look, this one risk, and you have seen, perhaps the text of the draft law, we have not yet had the opportunity to familiarize ourselves with the details, but the questions hang directly in the air, for example, even among my acquaintances there are people, ukrainians of origin

from canada and the states, who once had this discussion heard even before the war, before the invasion, and they said: oh, how cool it would be, i would have a ukrainian passport, i could live there for six months in... in the states, six months in ukraine, and in this case i have there are even friends who work, live and have families here right now so on, as defined in the draft law, if a person has, for example, two or three passports , and he does not stay in ukraine all the time, but he is now in one country, then in another, in which he has to pay taxes, secondly, he in which military service must be completed in the case of the declaration of martial law, as the law says? roman, roman, i am amazed by the fact that you, as a journalist, try to get into the legal details, and you perfectly understand that there are no answers to these questions, moreover, i think that if in the 21st year it was possible to be quite serious to talk about a certain number of people of ukrainian origin, to whom you appeal,

then in the destroyed ukraine, which is waging a war and bleeding, i think there will be few people willing to come to acquire citizenship, to put it mildly. at the same time, the draft law itself, which is now on the website of the verkhovna rada, and anyone who wants to can read it, actually deals more with issues of migration legislation, that is, not so directly in favor of it. about citizenship, and about migration, about the stay of foreigners and stateless persons on the territory of ukraine, the possibility of extending the passports of those who are in ukraine, and of course, a special emphasis is placed on those who fight on the side of ukraine, without being citizens of ukraine, because there are a lot of procedural questions about how these people can be in ukraine without violating ukrainian rules, and in fact this is probably the main one.

ordered to change the rules of citizenship, but as a political statement of the president, who was trying to say something positive to the people. mr. andriy, no one canceled the most important art of political pr, it is second only to the forchette, probably the most important thing, paraphrasing lenin, i am actually looking forward to the discussion in the session hall, at least it will definitely not be difficult. andriy osachuk. i am sure that in the near future we will not see this discussion there, yes, well, okay, so then it performed its function on the day of the divorce, that

's the full stop, at least for now, osachuk, and, people's deputy of ukraine, just about this draft law, which so surprised many, thank you, well, now is the time to talk about the military results of the day, and that will definitely tell us the director of the defense express agency, serhiy sgurets, who probably tried to separate the real thing today. analysis of the fall of the russian il-76 military transport from all that white and brown noise under the guise of russian propaganda, what happened there and what else serhii zgurets will tell us, whom i congratulate, i congratulate you roman, i congratulate our viewers, today we really will to talk about the downing of the il-76 military transport plane, about the situation on the front line and about new details about the missile attack. enemy in ukraine, which happened yesterday. about all this in a moment. first of all, i will start with the story

about the downing of the russian l76 plane. we can say that all these stories are taking on new pages, because today, january 24, around 10 o'clock in the belgorod region, not far from a village. a military transport plane ill-76 crashed into yablonov. local telegram channels shared a video showing this plane flying down and then exploding on the ground, exploding quite powerfully as we can see now, and before that, very large pieces of debris or parts fall out of the plane cargo almost immediately, the ministry of defense russia recognized the loss of the plane, despite such a common one. the tactics of keeping silent and not commenting on such events, moreover, the so-called ministry of defense of russia also quickly announced that on board

the il-76, they say, there were 65 ukrainian prisoners who were transported to belgorod for exchange. later, the ministry of defense of russia also stated that it was an anti-aircraft missile complex of the armed forces of ukraine that shot down this plane somewhere in the area of ​​the settlement of lypti in the kharkiv region, and then... even the enemies published a full list of prisoners who were supposedly on board this plane, but verification showed that at least 17 ukrainian prisoners had returned to ukraine during earlier exchanges, and no remains of bodies at the crash site were shown. regarding the ukrainian reaction from the ukrainian side, in my opinion, it was too slow. in particular, at first the coordination headquarters of ukraine on the treatment of prisoners of war officially

announced that the enemy is actively carrying out special information operations with the aim of destabilizing ukrainian society, and then finally a statement appeared from our of the general staff, where it is claimed that the armed forces are taking all measures to protect ukraine and ukrainians, and only in the last week the enemy has launched... 19 missile strikes on the kharkiv region, for this, i would like to remind you, the enemy mainly uses the s-300 air defense system there, s -400 or ground complexes iskander and ours. in this context , the general staff reported that the intensification of shelling of ukrainian cities was directly correlated with the increase in the number of flights to the belgorod airfield and that for the transportation of anti-aircraft and ballistic missiles to the belgorod area the il-76 military transport aircraft was used. therefore, in order to reduce such a missile threat, the armed forces not only

control the airspace, but also control the logistics of their deployment of the means. of military transport aviation , and then there was a concluding sentence that the armed forces would continue the destruction of means of delivery and airspace control to destroy the terrorist threat, including in the bilgorsk-kharkiv direction, that is , in fact, it could be understood that the general staff was giving the answer to who shot down this il-76, which was carrying missiles in this interpretation, and that they will continue to destroy russian planes that... pose a threat to ukraine, so far this story looks exactly like this, but i do not rule out that later there will be even more details, because in fact, literally an hour ago, the main intelligence agency stated that already after today, there was supposed to be an exchange of prisoners, which did not take place, and at the moment we do not have reliable information, says the head of intelligence about who exactly was

on board il-76, and based on this, says the main thing. it could be about planned and deliberate actions of the russian federation with the aim of destabilizing the situation in ukraine and weakening the international support of our state, this is the conclusion of the main intelligence agency, so we will wait for the continuation of this story. and then about what is happening on the front line, where thanks to the courage, primarily of our soldiers, this front line is holding, and first of all we will consider the direction of avdiivka, where a significant event took place today. the number of attacks from different directions, directions, and what is happening right now around avdiyivka, we will talk with our guest, and now we are joined by the people 's deputy of the seventh and eighth convocations, and now the sergeant of the 109th assault drone company of the armed forces of ukraine yehor firsov, mr. yehor, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you and hear, and i wish you health, as well as all tv viewers.

of course, i would like to ask about the situation around avdiivka. i know what you're going to say about not adding details given the official info but anyway i know that your unit is currently providing support to our soldiers around avdiivka, so what is your competence to say about what is happening in the air and on the ground around avdiivka? oh, well, let me tell you a few details, of course it's a difficult situation. tion and the difficult situation before , first of all, because, for example, the enemy uses a lot of cabs, these are aerial bombs, cabs, fabs, which are there almost every day, when a few dozen are used, when more than fifty use aerial bombs, this is normal it's terrible there, i want to tell you for

a military man, because even nearby, when this aerial bomb arrives, it's very, very difficult and... that a soldier received a concussion, he seems to be healthy from the outside, let's say so, but to continue to conduct combat operations for him is very it is difficult, because a contusion is a contusion, he is sick of vomiting there and so on, here are the basics, well, part of the fighting takes place in the so-called dachas, our comrades there from other units pushed the enemy in a good way, recaptured part of the position, but the enemy uses the private sector, and the private sector... as you know equipped with cellars, basements, and the enemy is hiding right there, so here i am just from our side fpv drones, that is, we fly into the house where we saw that the enemy is hiding there, we destroy the house, but of course it is very, very difficult to break through the cellar and the basement,

therefore, the enemy uses, tries to partially use this advantage, well , what, i can say that it is very... great saturation of the enemy's weapons, for example, our unit knows how to bypass it, deceive it, but this creates certain obstacles in the work of the uav, and the enemy also actively uses the night ones drones, night drones interfere with movement, you used to be able to move there by car, and the main thing is not to get hit by an anti-tank guided missile, or if there is mortar fire, so that you are not hit by fragments, and of course, when the enemy uses in pv, the drone is nocturnal, so it is of course very, very difficult to hide from it, so it is necessary to equip mobile... vehicles, equipment, means of electronic warfare, this is now one of the priority directions, i am looking directly for my unit

such means to ensure, well, to protect yourself from the very enemy fpv drone. you are talking about rap devices that can be installed on a car or some other solution, but i am talking about... rap ​​devices that should be used to saturate the audio sector, but directly rap devices that should be installed on mobile objects, cars, minibuses, there that are doing the evacuation, equipment, military vehicles, armored personnel carriers, tanks and so on, all this must now be equipped with such direct means that will help extinguish telemetry, telemetry is control. to the enemy drone, so that it falls there a few hundred meters from you directly, and there was no direct hit on the object that

the enemy is healing. mr. yehor, a few days ago you talked about the fact that the enemy has a quantitative advantage in drones, they can fly out to hunt, and without a specific goal, we cannot afford this, and from the enemy side... they write the same thing there , that the ukrainian side uses drones so effectively that they cannot approach our positions there, carry out attacks and so on, can we say that we now at such a stage that we are now trying to compensate for the numerical advantage of the enemy with the skills of operators and tactical techniques implemented by your subordinates and you personally, which is exactly what it is, that is , the enemy has quantity, we have quality, so... that we are preparing carefully to the operation, literally there 5 minutes ago we finished preparing for our next operation, i would even say that when you see this one,

for example, a video of an effective drone hit, conventionally speaking there on a sansepyok or a tank and so on, for this is a huge chunk pre-operational work, let's say, on the configuration of drones, on the preparation of the necessary elements of the board there. initiation and so on, so that this drone can actually fly, fly over enemy orep and detonate on the target, that is why this preparation is pre-operational and training, when the pilots sit down at the simulators, learn, improve their skills, and of course it helps us very, very much, that is, we are in in this regard , it is more creative, deeper than the enemy, but still , we would like to have the number of means of bp'. we should strive for that in us there was equality, equal resources, but it’s not like we’re saving money, some units don’t have drones at all, that’s certainly

not the case, it shouldn’t be, everyone should have drones in large numbers, and what’s more, we can afford , i communicate with dozens of manufacturers, in general, for your understanding, there are already about half a thousand manufacturers of our... their fpv drones, well, this is quite a lot in order to provide ourselves with drones, of course, so that, well, the main thing is that the state buys and provides them already units by such means uav mr. yehor, but you mentioned the sign of some manufacturers, now your division still receives drones according to the old scheme, when volunteers deliver these drones, is it finally possible to have a segment of government supplies, unfortunately, our division receives drones according to the old system, the scheme, let's say this, from not only volunteers, i would say, it's also large

business, and small entrepreneurs, and just different people who are there from time to time, well, help at points, everyone, as, well, as they say , the rear helps us here, and almost all 100% of drones are it drones are directly, let's say, not state-owned, but on the other hand there is a certain plus. this is the fact that, for example, our brothers who are directly in avdiivka, here we are working, i won’t say exactly the direction, but, well, let’s say this, we fly to the avdiivka direction, and there are units that work directly in avdiivka, they finally got already thrones from the state in a good number, here, well, this is certainly pleasing, it would be very good if this would soon affect all units on the front line, so that they finally start receiving such drones. panegore , thank you very much for the inclusion, there are many more questions, i hope that you will have time in the future to explain to our viewers, let me remind you that it was yehor firsov, a sergeant

of the attack drone company of the 109th brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, which is now provides a number of directions, one of which is avdiivsky, which is currently the most difficult from the point of view of repelling enemy pressure. and then we will talk about our other realities, which are connected with missile attacks on ukraine, and now oleksandr ruvin joins us, this director of the kyiv research institute of forensic experts. from the ministry of justice of ukraine. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear you. good evening to you too, i am very glad to hear. i would really like to start with the story of this downed russian plane. does this story somehow fall into the area of ​​competence of your specialists, is it possible to draw some preliminary conclusions about what happened to him, what was on board, or is it too early to say. well,

first of all. we have not yet received any relevant procedural documents ensuring the conduct of examinations, we think that it is too early to say anything, yes, we , like you, have only seen records from online publications, and we are not ready to answer you anything else yet, but if examinations are assigned to us, we will certainly take into account our experience, in particular, i ate the 76s, er, we will try. to do this reasonably in accordance with the requirements of current legislation. then i would like to ask you about the analysis of the rocket attack that took place on the 23rd. i know that your experts were at all the places where the debris fell. can you make some preliminary conclusions, what was the target of the enemy attacks, what weapons were primarily used against the capital, is the information correct that there are also remains

of a missile from the complex. 400 of which were beaten in the capital? well, we can tell you that yes, our experts were also everywhere at all the places where weapons were used on january 23, which were in the city of kyiv and the kyiv region, we can say that we did not observe any new such specific missiles, these are cruise missiles and 101, 55 - those who flew in the direction of zhytomyr, and then... changed the direction to kyiv, er, however, in addition to this, we have already had certain seized objects at er locations, which clearly indicate that, in addition, not only cruise missiles were already used, but missiles that fly along a ballistic trajectory were also used, this the 48th missiles are missiles that are used by the enemy in the s-400 and

poyda complexes. should have been used only for air defense purposes, but they redesigned them and now they already have this type of damage, called ground-to-ground, that is, they are sent from the ground and hit the ground, er, we have found the relevant objects, we can definitely identify that they were missiles from the s-400 complex. mr. oleksandr, i cannot but ask about... north korean missiles, because there were a number of statements from the american side, from our side, but so far there is no final such document that would record, detail, well, this story, or it ended, are there really any final documents there that can be the basis for such a conclusion that there and there were remnants of north korean missiles, well, i wanted

i would like... to add to our previous one with you, er , the topic that we raised with you, it is precisely the use of 48 missiles from the s-400 complex, i would also like to draw your attention to the fact that these are missiles that are not intended for some kind of accurate e-e hit on the target, they cover large areas, and we take into account that once they were used. taking into account that they are not so accurate and they simply cover large areas, then this was calculated just so that it was possible to cause damage, death, injuries and other material damage, just directly to ordinary people, who were civilians, who were at that time in

the specified houses. as for korean.