that they used prisoners of war as human shields, that is, we are dealing with a violation of the laws of warfare, and this is again the russian federation. to hope that, of course, we should have stated that we demand a fair investigation and to find out all the circumstances, but you yourself understand very well that to hope that russia will allow someone to conduct some kind of neutral investigation is, i'm sorry . vain hopes, if so very, very in such soft words, even more, and it was noted by you including, russian the federation immediately drove away from the disaster site those who bear a direct obligation to provide, including first medical aid in the event that someone survived. the fsb, the ministry of defense of the russian federation simply do not physically have the forces and means to provide such assistance. still. in this way, there is a direct desire

to cover up the consequences of the crime, you know, if there are bodies in ukrainian uniforms, then again, this should have been declared from the very beginning, conducting, you know, such a subtle psychological game, and compare it to this situation since the end of the summer of 1939, when the nazis shot in lyawitz, i don't remember whether there were prisoners or criminals, and it was presented as a crime of the polish authorities, and this... should have been done immediately on the basis of some legislative acts , on the basis of world practice, we should have done it, we did not finalize it here, but in any case, no matter what happens, as of today, our message should be clear, this is a crime of the russian federation. mr. sergey, rosneft oil refinery in the city of tuapse tonight - this is the krasnodar region of russia. was

attacked by drones of the security service of ukraine, well, the defense forces of ukraine, let's say. ukrainian pravda, in particular, writes about this with reference to sources in the special services. before that, we saw how oil refineries were burning in other parts of the russian federation, how do you think the transfer of hostilities to the territory of russia where. there are objects of critical infrastructure, objects of military infrastructure, to the extent that they can prevent russia from attacking ukraine or, say yes, to disrupt their logistics, these existing chains, and to cause russia the damage that will be suspended. their offensive, or to stop

their ability to attack the territory of the ukrainian state? mr. serhii, look, everything is very simple here, as we have already heard many times during these two years of large-scale aggression, there are three components of any war, these are money, money and money again, which is what i am actually leading to, if we return to the example of toapse, but novatek, simply novatek - is a service of the leningrad region, more like that bright. example, to explain what is happening, a parallel question arises, who is the main importer of oil to germany, the answer is india, and the question arises, does anyone really believe that russia drives its oil to india, where they are loaded onto tankers and going to germany, of course not. in this way, striking such facilities, like in particular novotek or what you mentioned, the orseniv processing plant. is a direct and

derivative action of the ukrainian defense forces, which aim to undermine the economic the ability of the russian federation to wage such a war, and therefore such strikes must be carried out and the intensity of such strikes must be increased to the maximum extent that the available forces and means of striking such strikes allow us. thus, we are talking about the need for the so-called derivative struggle with the enemy, which means. the next thing is that the enemy can concentrate hundreds of tanks, hundreds of artillery systems, salvo fire systems, but if they don't have fuel, if they don't have ammunition, they turn into scrap metal, and that's the so-called evasive maneuver of the ukrainian defense forces, which allows us to qualitatively, qualitatively influence the actions of the enemy, reducing his possibilities of waging war both financially and materially. direction, because

tanks don't go without fuel, self-propelled artillery systems, trucks also don't go, other equipment doesn't move, striking critical infrastructure objects, so extraordinary. it is also extremely important, and we have to do it, in particular to focus, and by the way, it was the russians who taught us, no one else, that is, we just do this, you know, strike back, this kind of boomerang, striking critical energy infrastructure objects, because you know, you can chase and try to destroy this or that shop, but in today's, in today's times, when production is very dispersed and can be transferred to other directions, it is more expedient, at a different capacity , more... it seems expedient to try to destroy the energy facilities in particular, because without electricity these plants simply will not work, and, accordingly, striking on the elements of critical transport infrastructure, it looks like an extremely important element of our struggle, because

the basis of the logistics of the russian federation is the railway, and their density is not as high as in ukraine, the enemy tried for a while to strike... strikes on the railway, then stopped, because it is pointless, but in the case, in the case of russia, it works, it works quite effectively, thus the transfer of the war to the territory of the russian federation corresponds to our main task of the armed struggle for the liberation of our territories, stopping the enemy, and let's not forget that the russian federation did not conduct mobilization as a forced step, forcing people to join the army, because it has enough funds, and a significant part, the majority part. of those funds are the funds received from the sale of hydrocarbons, so the priority task for us, i would say, is to strike at those objects, at you, at those objects that we talked about with you, and this is a fair fight, and so it should be. mr.

serhiu, during almost all of the last two years of russia's large-scale invasion of ukraine, ukraine insisted that the west provide long-range weapons. ukraine, and missiles that fly into the territory of the russian federation reach this territory hundreds of kilometers, at least hundreds of kilometers. the british mentioned long-range missiles in the cooperation agreement signed by rishi sunak with volodymyr zelenskyi. yesterday , the german bied wrote about what the british allegedly offered the germans to exchange. taurus, that is, take taurus to great britain, and give stormshadow to ukrainians. what do you think the west is holding back the transfer of long-range weapons to ukraine? after all, it is obvious to the whole of europe that a demilitarized and

de-nazified or de-racialized russia is still much better than a country that is in a state. war is constantly trying to create new types of weapons and test them in real conditions, what is holding back the event in your opinion? two two main points restrain the west today: let's not forget, no matter what, the russian federation is a country of the nuclear club, this objectively restrains the west, and they should pay attention to this, because you know, well, there are also certain international agreements that... the west also cannot violate, these agreements say, and in fact we ourselves know from our history, from our examples, that any land-based weapon with a range more than 300 km can be considered as a means of delivering nuclear ammunition, these are international conditions and this

objectively deters the west. the second question, the second aspect, which or the factor that restrains the event, is definitely the total unpreparedness of the event now. russian aggression, and you know, it is, for the last week, well , almost every day, i have been communicating with my colleagues, friends from the baltic countries, with whom i had the honor to serve or study at various courses and training schools, and we agree with them on one thing, that today the countries the baltics , in particular the baltic countries, as well as poland, are completely unprepared to repel russian aggression, and therefore, you know, they must win minutes, hours, days, months in order to prepare as much as possible for a possible repulsion of the russian aggression, which is becoming, unfortunately, more and more visible in this direction, that is why these are two such main directions, why actually the west still

adheres to such a policy, we, well, whether such a policy will change, it will definitely change, and actually what now countries to give the issue of transferring weapons to us is obvious, not only that, you know, here we are not working out a little bit, again, to say the least, our cooperation with the west, because we have to present it... as a humanitarian mission, because ukraine is not at war with the civilian population, we are not attacking the civilian population of russia, and western weapons, being more accurate , allow us to avoid unnecessary casualties, among the civilian population, believe me, i have no feelings for the russians as such after what they have done here, but still ob objectively, well, it is not humane, it is not divine to kill peaceful people, therefore western weapons... should be used in the interests of our common armed struggle, to destroy

military facilities, and it can become such, well, a sword justice without excess victims among the civilian population. mr. colonel, thank you for the conversation, this was serhiy grabskyi, military expert, participant in peacekeeping missions, reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live there right now, please like this video, subscribe to our platforms, and most importantly, vote in our poll, today we ask you this, do you expect an objective investigation into the fall of il- 76, so no, whatever please, if you watch us on youtube, it 's pretty simple, if you watch us on tv, pick up your phone and vote if you expect an objective investigation. il-76 plane crash in russia 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382,

​​all calls are free for you, call. then we have my colleague, journalist roman tsimbalyuk. roman, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. greetings, serhiy. well, i don't know if it is possible to ask you in this situation whether you count on an objective investigation of this? history, because russia is quite active, aggressive, trying to spread its information, its lies, replicates, well, the machine works, this propagandist of theirs is serious, can we count on the fact that we will have an objective picture of what happened in russia, taking into account the fact , that russia is now trying to bring this issue to ukraine's attention through councils without the un. they shoot down russian planes, and russian pilots are poor

and boys in panties, or how it used to be in 2014, well, i agree with everything, the only thing i would add to the boy in panties is that it is not just pilots, and these are military pilots, and this is not just a plane, but a military plane, and then we all go to february 24 of last year, when it was said that... i decided to start a special military operation, that is, in the war, the military the planes of the aggressor must be shot down, everything is clear to everyone, the fact that they are bringing this story to the people, well, it would not be bad, it would be if some decisions were made there, they use it as an exclusive platform to carry their grievances , even deputy kartapolov said that it seems like... a message about what was going to board this plane was sent to the main intelligence agency

of ukraine 15 minutes before, before departure, before departure, and before departure or before arrival, i don’t know, well, i have information before departure, i think that maybe before the arrival, somehow it is so strange, it all sounds strange from the very beginning, they have already started trading, the most important thing is that it is not clear who was on board, it is still not clear... it is clear, and in fact the criterion here is already very simple, in in such situations, if the parties want to sort things out, we just do what you let the red cross, i don't know, the un and so on, different countries, not only those who sympathize with us, let them watch, take mobile phones, film it, here you see, from time to time they conduct tours of the prisoner-of-war camp and they film how the russians and... our ukrainian borscht are there , they tell how much it costs the ukrainian budget, and it infuriates many people in

ukraine, but they still eat more, and they eat lard, and so on, that's the question, how many representatives of the red cross visited, visited the ukrainians prisoners of war, the answer is zero, well, here actually the rest is built on this very principle that... the information that comes from outside this territory is exclusively russian, russia is an aggressor state, and actually, everything is clear. this is a military plane and they hit it, if we did it, it’s clear why, well , let’s not forget that in terms of the number of planes they shot down, russia takes not the last place, well, we only need to remember prigozhin’s plane, which they shot down

in the summer of the 23rd year, mh17, which they shot down over donbas, well, in principle, these are the ones... that were on the lips of the whole world , and that is, for them to shoot down their plane and blame someone for it is absolutely no problem at all, that is, a terrorist country does it, a terrorist country then goes to the podium of the un security council and demands punishment for ukraine, that is, the entire security council dissolves hands, well, if you are a member of the un security council. special meeting, it is necessary to hold this special meeting, why, in your opinion, do you think the un security council and the united nations organization, about which the same lavrov has already wiped his feet and uses them for other purposes, why they

allow it to be done, but here we are, you know, this woman. diplomacy is very simple about these people's security forces, it is explained by the fact that she is not just a member of the security council, but a permanent member of the un security council with the right to veto, well, it is all written there, you see, they call on everyone to, as was stated by dmytro piskov, it means that they are ready for an international investigation, and... under the condition that if it will refer to the investigation of criminal, criminal actions of the kyiv regime, this was a quote, you know, as we usually investigate conducted in order to find out who , who is guilty, who did it and so on, they

just need, as it is, to get us for... but well and so on and so on and so on it's just that while they in the one with the military potential they have, they just spit on everyone and that's all, well , there's no need to be surprised here, and there's no need to be disappointed either, at least france, great britain and

the united states are our allies in the organization of united nations also have permanent status. permanent member of the council for veto affairs. there are also chinese friends who ask questions there always, we are for everything good against everything bad, well, that is, what is the point, that international law, modern law is prescribed in such a way that it is impossible to bring a permanent member of the un security council to any responsibility through this body, because they have the right of veto, so as we have worthy representatives, our diplomats. they will say whatever they have to say, but the russians will also say whatever they want, but it won't change anything, that's all, against this background, putin issued a decree to search abroad for real estate that once belonged to soviet union and the russian empire and the proper registration of rights to it, in the united states of america it was actually perceived as an encroachment

on the american territory in alaska, and they said listen, well, let's just go without it, well... said no, let's go with it , and that he wrote on his twitter, according to a representative of the state department, russia will not get back alaska, sold by the united states of america in the 19th century. well, so be it, but we expected that alaska would return overnight, now war is inevitable, medvedev wrote. well i to be honest, i don't see anything strange in what medvedev is writing, because they, they can and... and fight for alaska in principle, well , they are now in such a rage that, what can you expect from them , is that so, no, no, serhiy, they cannot fight for alyas. or on the way to alaska there is ukrainian avdiivka, and behind avdiivka there are other fortifications and so on and so forth, the fact that they would bully

the americans in this way, well, it’s not surprising, it will even benefit us, the military potential of all of them is excellent for each other understand, and a confrontation, such as a military confrontation with the united states, will be a war for american territory. accordingly, it will be perceived in a completely different way, these are such expeditionary wars, where they were looking for democracy, they found oil, like in iraq, or there are some other such conflicts that are in the geopolitical schedule, and so it will be a patriotic war, well, again no one canceled avdeivka, and ukraine as a whole, so at the moment these are all threats, it seems to me, they are unlikely... serious, because they have no opportunity, no, no desire there is no, but there is a possibility, but this does not mean that it will always be like this, you know, how, if we all

unite in the western world, and even, they do not participate in the war, they still supply weapons, then they supply, but , as they say, as loyt austin said, you can do better and more, well, gradually you can somehow... we are holding on and no one is going to lay down their arms, because this is what, this is death to everyone in the literal sense of the word words, that's why i think, let's let joseph biden, donald trump, nicky suffer helly, let the three of us worry, let us, let us do our thing, let us do our thing. sir, let's take a short break, because our journalist tetyana golunova joins us on the air. today, in the evening, the court of appeal of kyiv considered

an appeal against the decision to continue the detention of colonel roman chervinskyi, who is accused of exceeding his powers in the case of rocket attacks on the kanatovy airfield in the summer of 2022. tatiana, i congratulate you, tell me, please, what are the results of this meeting? greetings serhiy. i greet the audience of the espresso tv channel, and we are now in the walls of the kyiv court of appeals, where the case on extending the terms of detention of the former ex-intelligence officer roman chervynsky continues. and i will say that at today's meeting, the panel of judges allowed chervinsky to be next to his defenders, and not in a glass box, as was the case before, but at the same time i will say that... nothing, but at the same time i will say that the motion to recuse judges and prosecutors again were ignored. also on today's the sitting lawyers attached

documents to the case, which say that the defense received threats. however, what exactly those threats were, from whom and in what format were voiced. chervinskyi himself stated at the meeting that the case against him is illegal persecution, as usual, a lot of people came to the meeting to support chervinskyi, during the meeting, they shouted shame at the judges. currently, the meeting is still in progress, just a few minutes ago, the judges announced a break, but returned to the courtroom, and currently the session is still ongoing, and i want to remind you that roman chervynskyi... was a former employee of the main intelligence department, and he is accused of exceeding official duties, ah, that official powers and

during during the attempted hijacking of a russian plane, and as a result, russia launched a missile attack on the kanatov airfield, which is located in the kirovohrad region, this happened back in july 2022, and i will remind you that already in the 23rd year, the security service of ukraine announced to chervynsky a suspicion of abuse of authority, and on the 25th he was already remanded in custody, and we will now return to the meeting hall and follow how the meeting will proceed. i have all the information for now, the meeting is still going on, so serhii. i will pass the word on to you. thank you, it was tetyana golunova, our correspondent, who is in the court of appeal of kyiv, where the appeal against the decision to continue

the detention of colonel roman chervinskyi is being considered. well, roman chervinsky, he is not only known for that he is accused of allegedly being involved in the rocket attacks on the kanatov airfield, and also in the case of the so-called wagnerites, the case that took place in 2020, roman, well, we have been watching this case for several months, how it unfolds in court, and there is no answer as to whether it is right or wrong. right, or after all, if we are a legal state, then we have to wait for the verdict of the court and then say that roman chervinskyi is not guilty of anything, even though he accused the ukrainian leadership before the war of the state, that there were moles in the office of the president of ukraine and that they disrupted this special operation, by the way, it is very important, but if you look at the further, subsequent development of events, it was important enough for our special services and for obtaining witnesses.

the crimes of the russian federation in donbas, you see , there is no such subjunctive tendency, how can it be, let's face it, during this war, many commanders and chiefs of various levels made inadequate decisions, which led to the death of... our servicemen, of our citizens, and there is a kind of practice, it is such that during a war usually commanders are not tried, sometimes they are removed from their positions, and we do not talk about such examples publicly, but there are a lot of them, especially there at the level of brigade commanders and so on, recently even the policeman said about it that

the outline of the attack was laid out in podgoschas, but no one was put in prison, although sometimes there are decisions that give the impression that the prisons are crying for these people, as for this story, you see, everyone understands that's how this guy is so political aspect, it is here, and worst of all during the war, when politics, it begins to dominate the military affairs in some places. and usually it is based on simple things, if there is a social social norm, the matter is either trusted or not, there are many nuances that are question marks, maybe more than necessary, as for the warners, well, you see, my assessment such a situation, well, that 's really how our people are at the elections.

voted for the person who became the president, for volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi, whose birthday is today, who proclaimed that we will stop the war, and accordingly they acted before they won the elections, what is there to look in the face, to see peace, we have 20 seconds on the air, in short, at that time, the government and the top. the commander-in-chief has the authority to stop any special operation, because this is the last resort in terms of military operations. that's all. thank you, roman, for the conversation, it was roman tsymbalyuk, a journalist, blogger and a person who knows a lot about ukrainian and russian politics. so, the results of today's poll: do you count on objective investigation of the fall of il-76? 16% -

yes, 84% - no. that's the end of it, see you tomorrow. the crash of the ill-76 military transport plane near belgorod. what happened, what are the versions and who will investigate? we talk about it in today's issue of bbc ukraine. i am olga polameryuk. in a statement of the general staff, ukraine hastily confirmed its involvement in... the downing of the plane, but there is no evidence that ukrainian military personnel were on board, as the kremlin claims. the second day since the il-76 crash, near belgorod in russia, there are still more questions than answers, because i do not

allow international observers, nor even the ukrainian side, to the site of the plane crash. what is known, which versions of the event and which?