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svoboda top guests every day - this is the shipping district of kherson, including live. we are somewhere in the vicinity of bakhmut. we tell the main thing. on weekdays at 9:00. glory to ukraine, this program is a verdict. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next hour. we are talking about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory. today in the program. russian speculation surrounding the downfall of the il-76 may be that the fsb was involved in the disaster. were there passengers on the plane? the kremlin threatens the third world. putin ordered to look for russian real estate abroad. who will undertake the deputization of russia. corruption during the war. seven officials of the ministry of defense received. the authorities

responded to business complaints about harassment by law enforcement officers. we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with ours as guests, the chairman of the board of the public organization the center for combating corruption, vitaly shabunin, serhii grabskyi, a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine and journalist roman tsimbalyuk. however, before starting our big conversation, let's watch a video of a large-scale fire at... at the rosneft refinery in the city of tuabse, krasnodar territory of the russian federation, according to the media, the plant was attacked by drones of the security service of ukraine. let's see. ah...

please like this video, vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether you expect an objective investigation into the downing of the il-76, meaning the il-76 that fell yesterday in the belgorod region, and now russia is trying to torpedo ukraine with information about this plane . if you count on an objective investigation of the fall of il-76, everything is quite simple on youtube. just like that, no, or

your answer option, write in the comments, if you are sitting in front of the tv and watch us on tv, take it in your hands, please phone and vote, if yes, then 0800 211 381, no, 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, call, it is important for us to know your opinion, we have the chairman of the board of the anti-corruption center vitaly shabunin, mr. vitaly, i i congratulate you and thank you for being... not with us, good evening, let's talk about corruption, because corruption is now being talked about both in the ministry of defense of ukraine and in nabu, and they are showing corrupt officials, they are being caught all over ukraine, and it is telling, as it is with the case of the hrenkiewiczs. in december of the 23rd year the head of the office of the president of ukraine, andriy yermak , assured that now in ukraine, it is like never before.

political will to fight corruption, and even earlier, zelenskyi himself said that there is zero tolerance for corruption, how would you describe the current state of fighting corruption? compared to the previous authorities, because you have been watching for a long time how all these circuits work and under what conditions they work, and how much this tolerance corresponds to zero one, two or three units. the global question, like all yours, is difficult to compare, ukraine has never been in a full-scale war. therefore, it is difficult to compare with the previous authorities, however... i want to remind you that 60% of the national budget is aid from western allies, and to steal this money is just a shot in the head, maybe it's a developed and corrupt infrastructure,

maybe it's a hard rejection corruption by a society that is at war, all, and perhaps the coincidence of all these factors led to the fact that... active systemic corruption is less, especially after the change in the leadership of the ministry of defense, because before this change it was precisely where the greatest budget, and it was the ministry of defense , that's where they stole, it's already obvious that they stole, and this can be seen from the latest arrests, and investigations, and journalists, and law enforcement officers, and you know, i wouldn't compare the scale here, because objectively, the financial flow was decreasing, i would compare immorally. so, stealing during the war in the ministry of defense is a moral bottom, that is, such a person cannot be forgiven, and i would like to remind you that the leadership of the previous ministry of defense was not dismissed out of

goodwill, unfortunately, by the current authorities, under the pressure of journalistic investigations, from the first investigation about yaits leznikov was completed before his release. for seven months, very important months, during which they stole not only from purchases , for example, from jackets, but what is more terrible from weapons and ammunition, but nothing was done to destroy this corruption, moreover, there was no movement there are a lot of other important processes in the ministry of defense, without which, which cost... a lot of lives, so it's a good thing, you know, for the audience, in the ministry of defense there are two pools of money for procurement, two parts money for purchases, money is used to buy everything that does not kill,

uniforms, food, fuel, equipment, thermal imagers, helmets, and finally headphones are active. these are now these purchases, this money has been transferred to the so-called state, state operator tilu, this is a newly created procurement agency with good procedures, with a good team, which already shows good prices, and this gives hope that this pool of money will not be stolen, that is, a repetition with eggs, a variety of 17 hryvnias, or with the jackets that you see on the screen now, which are nowhere near winter, will no longer be, this my cautious optimism, this is not a statement, we are watching these purchases, because despite the good will of the agency team, we can already see how those people who tolerated

and tolerated corruption both in the ministry of defense and in the armed forces remained in their positions and are now starting to oppose ... to new, new rules and procedures, it is a little more difficult, that is, we , we are cautious optimists in the cpc about money for physical purchases, a more complicated story with weapons purchases, and there is the same defense procurement agency, that is, this is the agency that purchases weapons , unfortunately, to these there is no new manager in this agency. and the agency is actually managed by the old management. yes, the focused attention of the new leadership of the ministry of defense and experts does not allow this team to disperse as it was under the previous minister, but at the same time expect effective

purchases from the people who stole from them earlier in the year. so i will tell you calmly that i will be optimistic about this money when it is there. a new manager with an impeccable reputation, this is about procurement in the defense industry. where else do we predict that they will steal. where we see what is being stolen is the second largest flow of money after the defense industry, it is reconstruction, and you see many investigations where the authorities at different levels, now, by the way, more local than than national, are stealing from reconstruction, buildings, infrastructure, roads, all that after our victory, will be actively developed and just a million will go. dollars, so right now we are trying to stop it, to create such rules under which

it will be very difficult to steal, that is, if you put it at risk, we are cautious, optimistic about the money of the ministry of defense, at least those that are not weapons, we see a problem in construction purchases, because it is easiest to steal there, i bought concrete twice as expensive there, and it can be there... 40% of the cost of the entire construction, and since it is not necessary to show the estimates, find out this price, see the prices of materials it is very difficult, somewhere we are forced to do it directly through parliamentary appeals, asking for help from people's deputies, not everyone wants to show their prices, as you understand, so somewhere yes, in relation to other departments, objectively, money has become much less, even if someone strongly wanted to leave, well, there's just nothing to do... to steal, it's true, it's true, mr. vitaly, this is

kostin, the prosecutor general of ukraine, he says that there are results in the fight against corruption in the ministry of defense, and several officials of the ministry have already been brought to justice , i propose to listen to this synchronicity and continue the conversation, under the procedural guidance of prosecutors of specialized... prosecutors in the field of defense , seven officials of the ministry of defense, among them odious officials who, according to the investigation , purchased low-quality bulletproof vests, bulletproof vests, one case regarding them has already been transferred to the higher anti-corruption court, under the procedural guidance of the prosecutors of the specialized prosecutor's office in the field of defense , two more proceedings are being investigated based on the facts of the purchase of low-quality bulletproof vests and personal protective equipment in the amount of more than one and... uah 4 billion. mr. vitaly, i am most interested in this situation, have you not

seen these large flows of money, this is a large flow, 1 billion there are 400 million of bulletproof vests, of poor quality, and grynkevich there is 1 billion, in my opinion 500 million, if i am not mistaken, that is, these are huge sums during the war at a time when you are constantly borrowing this money from the west, surely no one saw that it was going wrong. they are not going to the right people , did everyone see everything, everything was arranged for everyone, everyone was in the scheme, and now they throw up their hands and say, well, listen, we imprisoned seven officials there, then those who did not see it must be imprisoned, and i treat them with respect to your audience, eh, so just the conclusion for them, i will cite a few facts, the most important of which is that there was no proceeding in the public field. there was no arrest, and even more so, no suspicion of the officials of the ministry of defense before the scandal with

the resnikov eggs, not a single one, when the journalist yury nikolov, well, he was later supported by his colleagues, corrupted the dunghill of the infernal procurement of the ministry of defense, then of course the authorities ran away, because there was nothing to do not to do, it was impossible not to investigate there, there was too much... some scandal and a series of others after that, so with all due respect to the law enforcement agencies, to mr. prosecutor general, what about you, were you blind before this, or can we not do without journalists again? the question is rhetorical, but let your viewers draw their own conclusions, what brought you to justice? er, one case has been transferred to the court, it has not yet been prosecuted, one case involving e

. the head of the department, and shapavalov and the head of the khmelnytskyi department, who are sitting in the pretrial detention center, but this is a preventive measure, not he put them in prison, er, he takes the grynkevich case more loudly, there are two episodes, actually a bribe, everything is very simple there, but in the tender case, er, well, so far, yes, so far there is an evidence base of law enforcement organs that surfaced. the adoption of a precautionary measure by hrenkevich, well, i will put it very mildly, he wants, very much wants better, and i still expect someone's suspicions about the hrenkeviches, actually changes in the defense, because somehow it turns out that the hrenkeviches somehow made this whole story for themselves, somehow well, it doesn't quite stick, well

, i'll remind you about the ones bought by one of the beneficiaries food tender schemes. in hotels in croatia, it seems to me, there are 20 million euros, there, too, there seems to be no special movements for this, for this money. here, i not only have a complaint against the old law enforcement agencies, which actively show their activities, despite the fact that they were silent all the time before the journalistic investigations, they did not see anything. i have complaints against anti-corruption bodies. well, the anti-corruption bureau, first of all, friends, we have protected you for a long time. corruption in the war should be your priority, we don't see much of your activity yet, that's why i'm sorry of the law enforcement bloc and a big request to the authorities: friends , let's demonstrate to the world that ukraine is fighting corruption, first of all the authorities and law enforcement agencies, there is no need

to make journalists do someone else's work again, there are enough journalists to do. let's try without them finally. well, by the way, rustem umyero, the minister of defense of ukraine, said that there is a concrete result, 1.5 billion hryvnias, which appear in the corruption scheme for the purchase of artillery shells for the armed forces, have been returned to the budget, and this the same story has been going on for a long time with these 1.5 billion hryvnias. previously , the head of one of the main departments of the ministry of defense was detained, the sbu is working on the case. with the assistance of the ministry of defense, the procedural management is carried out by the prosecutor general's office, these are the changes we warned about, it is important not only to find those guilty of abuses, but also to return what was lost , we continue to work, mr. vitaly, when we talk about corruption of this caliber, then who bears the political responsibility responsibility for such corruption?

that's a good question, let's get to those 15 first billions, this is really a good result. there is very little in the information field about what exactly it is about, i.e. there are no details, i am waiting , maybe there will be more details in the communication of the prosecutor general’s office, because the truth is interesting about what contract we are talking about, i will just remind you that zareznik’s dead debutorka amounted to 33 billion hryvnias, that is, it was money that was paid for goods to contractors, mostly taken abroad, and for which the army did not receive anything. it's cool, it's a good step forward, i'll remind you that zareznik language it was about 33 billion, let's see who is responsible for the corruption hell in prireznik in procurement of the ministry of defense, the one who appointed him, did not fire him, this is

a vertical because it is a vertical of the president , the minister of defense. cal of the president, and i understand that the president has a lot of things to do, i treat this with respect, and it is true, but when the journalists spilled the story about the eggs at uah 17 per piece, where were the documents, where were the contracts , where everything was obvious, well, okay, you didn't understand that time, or your advisors didn't understand there, or they didn't i know, there are hands, i don't know, it's just that this de-icing was in all the media of the world, later. then the undelivered shells of the ukrainian truth investigation, then the investigation about the same nikolov's jackets, and then the investigation within the investigation, we lost seven months, so the responsibility definitely lies with the one who appoints. i have a separate question for the parliament, especially for the

defense committee. for seven months, people did not notice the corruption. specialized deputies were not placed before the investigation for seven months after it corruption in the ministry of defense, despite the fact that the truth, journalists still, still taught. moreover, reznikov used a whole committee to lie to everyone that everything was fine, and the committee did not say anything, so the political responsibility is clear, the president and, as for me, the profile committee, which, for god’s sake, from various... into corruption in the purchase of jackets there and a number of other investigations were not opened by the specialized committee, but by people 's deputies from the anti-corruption committee, the head anastasia radina and the deputy: who, in theory , should not be involved in this, because it is a responsibility defense committee. such a story. thank you,

mr. vitaly, for including me, i was glad to see you, and i wish you all the best. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us there now, please like this video, subscribe to our pages and ... vote in our poll, today we ask you this, do you expect an objective investigation into the crash of il-76 in russia? yes, no, everything is quite simple in youtube, either yes or no, write your comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your phone and vote. if so, 0800 211381, no, 08021 382. all calls to these numbers are free, so call on... your opinion is important. serhii grabskyi, a military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions, a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, is with us next. mr. serhiy, i congratulate you and thank you for joining

our broadcast today. my greetings, nice to see you. come on, let's start with the il-76 disaster and the latest data, because yesterday was very much russia pushed this story very seriously. and of course it was. many questions, how do we react to this, whether it is right or wrong, whether we have data about what happened to the plane that fell in the belgorod region, whether there were ukrainian prisoners of war there, whether there were no prisoners of war there, representative andriy yusov, the head of the intelligence department of the ministry of defense, in a commentary for radio liberty, said that russian high-ranking officials were supposed to fly on the il-76, but only five were taken to the local morgue after the plane crashed. let's listen to what he said mr. yusul: there were indeed supposed to be several vips from the military and political representation

of the aggressor state on board, but at the last moment their names are known and will be named, the materials will be provided as part of the international investigation, but at the last moment the fsb actually ordered them not to board this board and use other modes of transport, and it is also known that the representatives of the russian... ministry of emergency situations, who arrived at the scene of the events, were actually expelled from there by representatives of the fsb and the military, and they were not given the opportunity to carry out according to the protocol examination of the place and localization of this trodden. mr. serhiu, given the information that we all have, what can you say about this story, this is another special operation of the fsb, this is a story that allows. and speculating on this and constantly making ukraine a terrorist, how to consider this whole story with the il-76 disaster? you know, i don't even know how

to evaluate it, because this story causes me frank irritation, this attention, which we pay to the routine crash of a russian plane on the territory of the russian federation, it is on... it does not deserve it, and it must be understood, and the emphasis must be placed here, i understand that we are dealing with such a sophisticated or specially fabricated information and psychological operation, here the emphasis must be placed on the following: the plane crashed on the territory of the russian federation, in the air spaces of the russian federation. what was in that plane, well, i'm sorry, that's a matter... not ours, it's the matter of the russian federation, if we, listen, paid attention to every such accident, well, excuse me, we'd only

deal with that, and what exactly does he want russian federation, and here the emphasis should be on the fact that we, as a state that is in a state of, well, you can't say war, armed conflict with the russian federation, have nothing to do with it, babi. more, it should be emphasized that in any case, under dire circumstances, the country has the right to destroy any aircraft of the aggressor country that is in the access zone of our air defense forces, and you know, to conduct such a very aggressive, i repeat, very aggressive informational and psychological company, where to turn to common sense, that's why that there are certain specialists who understand how it is carried out... that we will assume, and excuse me, such data cannot be given for more than a day, that is, we see that this bubble is bursting, who can explain, by the way, in

the main administration development are there specialists who deal with this, what does the term deconfliction mean in such a situation and in general in international relations, and to put the main emphasis on this, i will repeat again, we pay too much attention to each shot down of such a plane, i would say, more the downed a50 and il-22 deserved more attention than this plane, what actually happened there, because in any case it is either incompetence or a crime of the russian federation. and it is from this point of view that this situation should be considered, but not so much attention should be paid to it. we are paying so much attention to this situation, solely because russia is trying to convene the un security council this evening and accuse ukraine of complicity, as they believe, in this terrorist act, because they are bringing ukrainian prisoners of war there, whom ukraine allegedly

shot there in... belgorod region, president zelenskyi says that ukraine will insist on an international investigation into the situation surrounding the downing of this plane. let's listen to what zelensky said. it is obvious that the russians are playing with the lives of ukrainian prisoners, with the feelings of their relatives and with the emotions of our society. it is necessary to establish all the clear facts as much as possible, given that... the plane crash happened on russian territory beyond our control. facts are the key word now. heard the chief of staff and the general staff for the use of air forces. gur deals with finding out the fate of all prisoners. mr. serhiy, what should have been ukrainian, what should have been ukrainian counter-propaganda for this ipso, i.e. was it necessary to explain something, or

was it necessary. to roll up some kind of informative response, because the russians immediately started working on it, literally 30 minutes after russian propagandists could already see message boxes in pavlo, which they began to distribute, message boxes that were then quoted by absolutely all the media, until things and some ukrainian. well, mr. serhiy, let's do it, i am i clearly outlined what we have about... some problems with the connection, now we will establish a connection with serhii grabskyi again, sorry, dear viewers, but this is a live broadcast, so anything can happen. today, as i said, the un security council, at the insistence of the russian side, must consider the issue of the il-76 disaster in the belgorod region, and once again we include serhii grabskyi, mr. serhii, once again please give me this communication, no communication.

that is, ours is what we cannot, what we cannot influence, so i will repeat once more, the ukrainian reaction should have been the following, let's say, according to open sources. we have to state that the plane crash happened on russian territory, we have to state that the accident happened outside the zone of our control, i emphasize the accident, it has not been proven to stamen that ukrainian forces used air defense means there, even. if this happened, this plane is a perfectly legitimate target of the russians on the russian side and should be shot down under any circumstances, as for possible, i emphasize possible and not proven, and now i i have very strong doubts that they were there, according to my data there was no such person there, we had to state that russia carried out another terrorist act in this way, because

they... without the notification of the ukrainian side, without the notification of the so-called third party, that mediates these kinds of processes, whether it's the red cross, whether it's the united arab emirates, whether it's qatar or any other power that's doing it, they didn't ensure the safety of the personnel that were on that plane, if that's the personnel considered as part of a humanitarian mission, thus the russian federation bears full responsibility for what happened. this is a war and this plane was not marked, it was not reported that this plane was on a humanitarian mission. thus, any such aircraft is considered a legitimate military target. second, if even one of our prisoners of war was there along with some military cargo, i emphasize that this is an assumption that has a probability of 1-2, and no more. thus, we are dealing with another russian war crime

federation, which consists in... the fact that they used prisoners of war.