the message from the so-called third party that mediates these processes, whether it's the red cross, whether it's the united arab emirates, whether it's qatar or whatever power that's doing it, they didn't ensure the safety of the personnel that were on that plane, if this personnel is considered as part of a humanitarian mission. thus, the russian federation bears full responsibility for what happened. this is war, and this plane was not. marked it was not reported that this aircraft was carrying out a humanitarian mission. thus, my dear this aircraft is considered a legitimate military target. second, if even one of our prisoners of war was there along with some military cargo, i emphasize that this is an assumption that has a probability of 1-2% and no more. thus, we are dealing with another war crime of the russian federation, which is that they used prisoners of war. as a human shield,

that is, we are dealing with a violation of the laws of warfare, and this is the russian federation again. to hope that, of course, we had to declare that we demand uh fair investigation and clarification of all the circumstances, but you yourself understand very well that to hope that russia will admit someone, and to conduct some kind of neutral investigation, these are, i'm sorry, vain hopes. in very, very soft words, even more, and this was noted by you, among other things, the russian federation immediately drove away from the disaster site those who bear a direct obligation to provide, including first medical aid in case of , if anyone survived. fsb, ministry of defense of russia the federation simply does not physically have the strength and means to provide such assistance. in this way, there is a direct... desire

to cover up the consequences of the crime, you know, if there are bodies in ukrainian uniforms, then again, this should have been stated from the very beginning, conducting, you know, such a subtle psychological game, and compare it to this the situation at the end of the summer of 1939, when the nazis shot, i don't remember, whether there were prisoners or criminals and presented it as a crime of the polish authorities, and it should have been done immediately. instantly based some legislative acts, on the basis of world practice, we should have done it, here we have not finalized it, but in any case, no matter what happens, as of today, our message should be unequivocal, this is a crime of the russian federation, mr. sergey , this night the rosneft oil refinery in the city of tuapse, this is the krasnodar region of russia, was attacked... with the pilots of the security service

of ukraine, well, the defense forces of ukraine, let's say that. ukrainian pravda, in particular, writes about this with reference to sources in the special services. before that, we saw how oil refineries burned in other parts of the russian federation, to what extent do you think the transfer of military operations to the territory of russia, where there are critical objects. structures, objects of military infrastructure, to the extent that it can prevent russia from attacking ukraine or, let's say, disrupt their logistical, these chains that exist, and cause russia the damage that will stop their offensive or... stop

their opportunities is the territory of the ukrainian state under attack? mr. sergey, look, well, everything is very simple here. as we have repeatedly heard during these two years of large-scale aggression, and there are three components of any war, it is money, money, and money again. what am i actually leading to? if we return to the example not of tuabse, but of novatek, simply novatek is a service of the leningrad region, a more vivid example to explain what is happening. a parallel question arises: who is the main importer of oil to germany? the answer is india. and the following question arises: does anyone really believe that russia chases its oil to india, where they are loaded onto tankers, go to germany, well, of course not. in this way, striking such objects, such as novatek in particular, or what you mentioned, the obseniv processing plant, is direct. and

derivative actions of the ukrainian defense forces, which aim to undermine the economic capacity of the russian federation to wage such a war. and that is why such blows must be inflicted with intensity. such blows must be increased as much as possible, as far as the available forces and means of inflicting such blows allow us. thus we are talking about the need for the so-called derivative fight against the enemy, which means the following that the enemy can concentrate hundreds of tanks, hundreds of artillery systems, volley fire systems, but if they do not have fuel, if they do not have ammunition, they will convert. on scrap metal, and this is the so-called evasive maneuver of the ukrainian defense forces, which allows us to qualitatively, qualitatively influence the actions of the enemy, reducing his possibilities of waging war both in the financial direction and in the material direction, because without fuel tanks don't move, self-propelled artillery

systems, trucks don't move either, other equipment doesn't move, striking critical infrastructure objects is extremely important and we... have to do it, in particular, focus, and by the way, this the russians taught us, no one else, that is, we just do this, you know, strike back, this kind of boomerang, striking critical energy infrastructure objects, because you know, you can chase and try to destroy this or that shop, but in today's , nowadays, when production is very decentralized and can be transferred to other directions, it is more expedient, at a different capacity, it seems more expedient to try to destroy energy facilities in particular, because without electricity these factories simply will not work, well, accordingly , striking elements of the critical transport infrastructure looks like an extremely important element of our struggle, because the basis of the logistics of the russian federation is

the railway, and their density is not as high as in ukraine, the enemy once tried strike at the railway, then stopped because... it is pointless, but in the case of russia it works, it works quite effectively, thus transferring the war to the territory of the russian federation, corresponds to our main task of armed struggle, to liberate our territories , enemy stops. well, let's not forget that the russian federation does not carry out mobilization as a forced step of forcibly recruiting people into the army, because it has enough funds, and a significant part, the majority of those funds consist of the funds are received from the sale of hydrocarbons, so the priority task for us, i would say, is to strike at those objects, and you at those objects that we talked about with you, and this is a fair fight, and it should be so . mr. serhiy, during almost all of the last

two years of russia's large-scale invasion of ukraine, ukraine insisted that the west give long-range weapons to ukraine, and... the missiles that fly into the territory of the russian federation reach that territory there hundreds of kilometers, at least hundreds kilometers, the british mentioned long-range missiles in the agreement on cooperation signed by rishi sunak with volodymyr zelenskyi, yesterday the german bid wrote about the fact that the british allegedly offered the germans to exchange the taurus, that is, to take the taurus. of great britain, and give stormshadow to the ukrainians. what do you think is stopping the west from transferring long-range weapons to ukraine, because it is obvious to all of europe that a demilitarized and de-nazified or

de-racialized russia is still much better than a country that is in a state of war, is constantly trying... to create new types of weapons and test them in real conditions, what is holding you back? two main points hold back the event to date. let's not forget, no matter what, the russian federation is a country of the nuclear club. this objectively restrains the west, and they should take this into account, because , you know, there are certain other international agreements that the west cannot violate either. these agreements say, and we actually know from our history, from our examples, that any ground-based weapon with a range of more than 300 km can be considered as a means of delivering nuclear ammunition, these are international conditions and this objectively deters

the event. the second question, the second aspect, which, or the factor that restrains the west, is definitely the total unwillingness of the west to repel russian aggression. and you know, in the last week, well, almost every day, i have been communicating with my colleagues and friends from the baltic countries, with whom i had the honor to serve or study at various... courses and training schools, and we agree with them on one thing, that on present day the baltic countries, in particular the baltic countries , as well as poland, are completely unprepared for repelling russian aggression, and therefore , you know, they are trying to win minutes, hours, days, months in order to prepare as much as possible for a possible repulsion of russian aggression, which, unfortunately, is becoming more and more visible in this direction. therefore, there are two such main directions, why the west itself still adheres to such

a policy, we, if such a policy changes, it will definitely change, and actually what now countries are considering the issue of transferring weapons to us is obvious, not only that, you know, here we are not finishing a little bit, again, if we talk about our cooperation with the west, because we have to present it as humane. mission, because ukraine is not at war with civilians, we are not attacking russian civilians, and western weapons, being more accurate, allow us to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties, believe me, i have no feelings for the russians as such after what they did here, but still objectively, well it is not humane, not godly to kill peaceful people, therefore western weapons should be used for... in the interests of our joint armed struggle, for the destruction of military facilities, and it can become

such a sword of justice without unnecessary victims among the civilian population. mr. colonel, thank you for the conversation, this was serhiy grabskyi, military expert, participant in peacekeeping missions, reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who now watching... we are live there , please like this video, subscribe to our platforms, and most importantly, vote in our poll, today we ask you this, do you expect an objective investigation into the fall of il- 76? yes, no, please, if you watch us on youtube, it's pretty simple, if you watch us on tv, pick up your phone and vote, if you expect an objective investigation into the plane crash and... in russia, 080 211 381, no, 0800-211-382, all

calls are free for you, call. next, we have my colleague, journalist, roman tsimbalyuk, romana, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. greetings, serhiy. well, i don't know if it is possible in this situation to ask you about whether you count on an objective investigation of this story, because... quite actively, aggressively, it tries to spread its information, its lies, replicates, well, the machine works, is this propagandist of theirs serious, or can we count on the fact that we will have an objective picture that happened in russia, taking into account the fact that russia is now trying through councils without the un to bring this issue up for consideration, the ukrainians are beating the russians. after all, russian pilots are poor and boys in panties, or as it used to be in

2014. well, i agree with everything, the only thing i would add to the boy in the panties is that these are not just pilots, they are military pilots, and this is not just a plane, but a military plane. well , then we all go back to february 24 of last year, when it was said that i had decided to start a special military operation. operation, that is, in a war, the military planes of the aggressor must be shot down, everything is clear to everyone, the fact that they bring this story to the people, well, it would not be bad if some decisions were made there, they use it as an exclusive platform for to carry his mother 's bag, even deputy kartapolov said that a message about the fact that there will be... boarding this plane was sent to the main intelligence agency

of ukraine 15 minutes before, well, before the departure , before the departure, yes, before the departure, or before the pilot, i don't know well, i have information before my departure i think that maybe before the arrival, somehow it is so strange, strange, it all sounds from the very beginning, they have already started to trade , the most important thing is that it is not clear who was on board, it is still unclear and in fact. the criterion here is already very simple, in such situations, if the parties want to sort things out, what do you just do, lower the red cross, i don't know the un and so on, different countries, not only those that i sympathize with. let them look at us, they take mobile phones, film it, you see here, from time to time, they make tours of the prisoner-of-war camp and film what it's like there russians eat ukrainian borscht in our country, they tell us how much it costs the ukrainian budget, and many people in ukraine are very outraged by this, but they still eat borscht and lard

and so on, so the question is: how many representatives of the red cross visited visited ukrainian prisoners of war, the answer is zero, well, here actually the rest is built on this very principle, that the information that comes from outside this territory is exclusively russian, russia is an aggressor state, and actually, everything is clear, it is a military plane and. .. er they beat him, if we did it, it’s clear why, and let’s not forget that in terms of the number of planes they shot down, russia is not the last, well , we only need to remember prigozhin’s plane, which they shot down in the summer of 23 year, mh17, which they

shot down over donbas, well, these are basically the stories that were. on the lips of the whole world, and that is, for them to shoot down their plane and accuse someone of this and that is absolutely no problem at all, that is , a terrorist country does it, a terrorist country then he goes to the podium of the un security council and demands punishment for ukraine, that is, he throws up his hands in the entire security council, well, if a member of the un security council demands a special meeting, it is necessary to hold... this special meeting, why do you think the council without the un, and the organization the united nations, against which the same lavrov has long since wiped his feet and uses them not for their intended purpose, why do they allow this, but here we are, you know, this

uonian diplomacy, well, it's very simple. regarding these people's security forces, this is explained by the fact that she is not just a member of the council of the security council, and the permanent member of the security council, wan, with the right of veto, well, it is all written there, you see , they call on everyone to, as dmytro piskov stated, it means that they are ready for, that is, an international investigation, and on the condition that, if... it will refer to the investigation of the criminal criminal actions of the kyiv regime, this was a quote, this is, you know, how we usually conduct investigations in order to find out who, who is guilty, who did it and so on, they only need how this is

to condemn us, but when... i am here i remember very well when the court decision was already in place and all these accusations were brought , putin came out, i was even at this event then, it was in the guest courtyard, in the center of moscow, he said that we did not take part in this investigation, and we do not accept it, that's all, our arguments were not involved in the case, our investigators did not work there, well... and so on and so on and so on, it's just that while they are in that one with that military potential, which they have, they just spit on everyone and that's all, well, there's no need to be surprised here, and to be disappointed it is not necessary either, at least france, great britain and the united states are our

allies in the united nations and also have the status of a permanent member. without veto matters, there are still chinese friends who always ask questions there, we are for everything good against everything bad, well, that is, the point is that modern international law is written in such a way that a permanent member of the un security council can be held accountable for this body is impossible, because they have the right of veto, because we have worthy representatives, our diplomats, they say everything that needs to be said, but... the russians will also say what they want, but it won't change anything, that's all. against this background, putin issued a decree to search abroad for real estate that once belonged to the soviets. to whom the union and the russian empire and the proper registration of rights to it in the united states of america actually perceived it as an encroachment on the american territory in alaska, and they said listen, well, let's

just go without it, well, medvedev said, no, let's go with it, and that he wrote on his twitter, according to a representative of the state department russia will not get back alaska, sold by the united states of america in the 19th century, so be it. but we expected that alaska would return from day to day, now war is inevitable , medvedev wrote, well, to be honest, i don't see anything strange in what medvedev writes, because they, they can fight for alaska in principle, well, they are now in such a frenzy that, what can be expected from them, is it true, no, sergey, they cannot fight for alaska, because on the way to alya... there is ukrainian avdiyivka, and behind audio speakers other fortifications and so on and so forth , the fact that they would bully the americans, in this way

, well, it is not surprising, it will even benefit us, the military potentials all perfectly understand each other, and the confrontation, like this military confrontation with by the united states, this will be a war for american territory, and will be perceived accordingly. it will be completely different, these are such expeditionary wars, where they were looking for democracy, where they found oil like that, or where there are some other such conflicts that are in the geopolitical schedule, and that’s it there will be a national war, and again , no one canceled avdeivka, and ukraine as a whole, so at the moment all these intimidations , well, it seems to me, are hardly serious, because they have no possibility. it is not that there is no desire, but that there is an opportunity, but that does not mean that it will always be like this, you know how, if we all

unite in the western world, and even they do not participate in the war, they supply such weapons, and supply, but , as they say, as loyt austin said, you can do better and more, so, well, gradually you can all to tear somehow. well, let's see, we 're holding on and no one is going to lay down their arms, because this is what, it's just death for everyone in the literal sense of the word, so there's a lot of noise, i think, let joseph biden, donald trump, nikki haley worry, let the three of them worry, let's to do our own thing, let's do our own thing, roman, let's take a short break. our journalist tetyana glunova joins us on the air, today , in the evening, the court of appeal of kyiv considered an appeal against the decision

to continue the detention of colonel roman chervinskyi, which are accused of exceeding their authority in the case of rocket attacks on the kanatov airfield in the summer of 22. tatiana, i congratulate you, tell me, please, what are the results of this meeting? i congratulate sergey, i congratulate the viewers of the tv channel. and we are now in the walls of the kyiv court of appeals, where the case on extending the terms of detention of former ex-intelligence officer roman chervynsky continues. i will say that at today's meeting, the panel of judges allowed chervinsky to be next to his defenders, and not in a glass box, as it was before, but at the same time, as it was before, but at the same time i will say that... requests for the recusal of judges and prosecutors were again ignored. also, at today's meeting, the lawyers attached documents to the case, in which it is said that

the defense side received threats. however, what exactly those threats were, from whom and in what format were voiced. chervinskyi himself stated at the meeting that the case against him is illegal persecution. and as usual, chervynskyi came to the meeting to support him a lot of people shouted shame at the judges during the session. at the moment, the session is still ongoing, just a few minutes ago, the judges announced a break, but returned to the courtroom, and currently the session is still ongoing, and i want to remind you that roman chervynskyi was a former employee of... the main intelligence department, and he is accused of exceeding official duties, official powers and

during. during the attempted hijacking of a russian plane, and as a result, russia launched a missile attack on the kanatov airfield, which is located in the kirovohrad region, this happened back in july 2022, and i will remind you that already in the 23rd year, the security service of ukraine announced that chervynskyi was suspected of exceeding his official powers, and in the 25th , a preventive measure of detention was already chosen for him. in custody, and we will now return to the meeting hall and follow how the meeting will proceed, for now this is all the information i have, the meeting is still ongoing, so serhii, i will pass the floor to you. thank you, it was tetyana golunova, our correspondent, who is located in to the court of appeal of kyiv, where the appeal against the decision to continue the detention of colonel roman chervinskyi is being considered.

well, roman chervinsky, he is not the only one. known for the fact that he is accused of allegedly being involved in the rocket attacks on the kanatov airfield, but also in the case of the so-called wagnerites, the case that took place in 2020, roman, well, we have been watching this case there for several months , as it unfolds in court, and somehow there is no answer as to whether it is right or wrong, or still, if we are legal the state... then we have to wait for the verdict of the court and then say that roman chervinskyi is not guilty of anything, even though before the war he accused the leadership of the ukrainian state that there were moles in the office of the president of ukraine and that they foiled this special operation , by the way, it is very important, but if you look at the further development of events, it was important enough for our special services to obtain witnesses of crimes

of the russian federation. in donbas, you see, there is no such subjunctive inclination, as it is possible, let's face it, during this war , many commanders and chiefs of various levels made inadequate decisions, which led to the death of our servicemen, our...