understood, now any missiles, russian planes take off there, when we have an alarm, in poland they also rise, at least a couple of fighters, and even a squadron, now permanent patrols have been introduced, i understand, well, it was reported the other day, maybe it and before, it was introduced over the benelux, belgium, the netherlands, luxembourg, f-35, well, at least the f-35 was not on duty like that, the f-35 and the pair take off in the mode of constant duty. that is, changes in rotation constantly control the airspace. the f-35.2 is, let me tell you, powerful control of this direction already, that is, they are no longer their statements , but few people looked at the statements, because there were statements, i will remind you, there in the original, burn london to ashes, there they also launched a nuclear attack on washington medvedev, everyone has already seen that, but here are the real ones .

they see the actions already from training, i understand, because the military will not do that, they currently have 90,000 training, a working version of these exercises, well, the idea, the plan, countering the attack of russia on one of the countries of the region, the baltic countries, in the first place turn, that's why it's already moved to where confrontation, that's why in bild, when they said this plan with these arrows, how to treat it, it was a training plan, they don't hide the nato countries anymore. they don't hide it, they don't call it country x, as it used to be in computer training or real exercises, it's russia, these countries are preparing for a confrontation with russia, the only question is that it would be possible to strengthen ukraine now with maximum weapons, concentrated kind of way, and then they would, well, maybe they wouldn't face it, but if they wait and think, that they will strengthen from within, as a result... they will allow, even in the conditions

of war, i emphasize, even in the conditions of the continuation of the war with ukraine, the russians can resort to provocation, so you know, i don't know, sometimes these statements are simply consolidation of their voters there , in russia, this is an increase in cheer-patriotism, and sometimes in this way they can send such signals, but it is no secret that all these lines with moscow are preserved from yours. the goals of the president of the russian federation putin regarding ukraine have remained unchanged, he still wants to to destroy ukraine as an independent state and to subjugate the ukrainian people, said the permanent representative of the united states of america to the osce, michael carpenter, and at a meeting of the permanent council of this organization on thursday in vienna, he said the following: it is clear that putin and his entourage do not see ukraine as a sovereign independent country. the state as prize

real estate for an imaginary empire ruled by the kremlin, filled with unfree people, a population they despise and seek to bend to their will by force, contrary to what the kremlin would like to believe in truth, the euro-atlantic future is quite real. at the same time, information appeared today that the head of german intelligence, bruno kahl, said that putin is not against attacking nato, if ukraine were forced to surrender, it would not quench the thirst of the russian authorities, if the measure does not demonstrate a clear readiness to defend, putin will no longer have a reason not to attack nato. putin's goal, he said, is to restore the former power and greatness of great russia. well, mr. valery, everything seems to be right, our western partners speak correctly and everything is logical. but why our western partners do not set a global goal, demilitarization of russia, deputization.

of russia, in the end the denazification of russia? well, they have an inertia of thinking, what they are saying publicly today, in march of the 22nd year, i'm just in non-stop mode, not only me, we all called everyone, well, at the end of february, the beginning of march , to everyone, with whom we kept in touch in order to help as much as possible. and even then and later, i am from my, well, you can say, friends from other countries who hold important positions in today and continue to occupy them, i gave a very skeptical assessment of my forecast, well , i'm only talking about myself, i said that look, they will still try to provoke you, that is, one way or another, it was very skeptically perceived at that time. then the situation

changed gradually, first from the intelligence community intelligence, then gradually to the defense structures, well, mainly to the departments of the then gradually to some politicians, now it has come to the point where politicians are finally announcing it, it took two years for them to announce it, i think that it will take some time for them to understand that without changing russia, nothing will go well in europe, because i am not saying how to change it, that is, there are many different issues, but without this, this aggressive policy ... can continue even after deoccupation of ukrainian territories. another mistake that they are making now, now we have the following discussion: from their point of view, it means that we just need to provide weapons, and they have only one question: how many people can we raise, mobilize

how many people, how many hundreds of thousands, and i tell them , listen, this is, first of all, unfair, secondly, do not think that ukraine will fight for all of you forever. because we are not only closing our territories, we are also closing the security of europe, well , by and large, nato on the european continent, so there must be collective actions, that is , collective, if you are not capable today, then it will still come, war will come to your territory, and what are they wrong? they are mistaken in that they believe that while putin is stuck in ukraine, he will not take any steps in their direction. it is wrong if the war will be as it is now positional, will do if it is deceived about the deoccupation of ukrainian territory, and this requires a completely different approach in strategy, the provision of completely different aid in terms of scale and speed, then maybe he will not have

the time and opportunity for this, and if you just stop and you will keep, excuse me, the ukrainian armed forces, there are shells and everything else, maybe yes, i understand, i... difficulties, of course, but if you do not find a solution to the production of weapons , you will put it on the rails as much as possible, well, this is also a question for us , yes, well, i’m talking about partners now, we need to set up production, ammunition, well, that is , both shells and cartridges, that is, it is primarily for a completely different production, and here there is a very important moment, they live far from the war, so for that , for it to work, a political solution is needed. for example, if there is a large order for the factories of germany and other countries, it will be done faster, the same productions as the french led now in the caesars, which means that it will not be one and a half years to produce one sau, but faster if it is

on drones, there are already such initiatives of joint production, now they have been announced literally with lithuania, here is the visit of the minister of crown affairs of lithuania to denmark, this is what we publicly know, if you are the one who started it... it is necessary to let european politicians issue now such orders are large for their own productions, for themselves, therefore, it is necessary to unblock 20 billion from the european peace fund, where it is allocated for the production of weapons for four years, what is provided in ukraine, it is necessary to strengthen the programs in the european union and nato for the production of weapons, the war has already passed to search the world, the period has already ended, now it is necessary to produce, and therefore... the fact that they have already declared politically, that they see the threat of an attack, this should motivate them to act. if they delay, they will face what ukraine faced in the 22nd year, unfortunately. against this background, all these statements and the unfolding of this

escalation and europe's preparations for war, because in europe they say in plain text that it is necessary to prepare for war with russia, began. training of nato troops, which became the largest since 1988, 90 thousand personnel in all members of the alliance, the ministry of defense of belarus complained that minsk received neither a warning about nato exercises nor an invitation to them, whether these maneuvers will impress putin and how seriously they show the power of the north atlantic alliance, because... as we now understand , that the majority of western european states did not predict a military confrontation, a major confrontation with the russian federation, and only the war, the great war of russia against ukraine, only now prompts the western european countries

to increase the size of the army, to improve production, that is, no one predicted that all the reserves they had, that they would go to ukraine in order to oppose russia? well, we've talked about the fact that these exercises, they already have a very clear, well, obvious mission, which is to ... counter the russian invasion, and yes, they hope that they're sending a signal in this way, but really, you know, the signals, without concrete clashes or results, it's like, well, it's russian, it can't be stopped, if it stopped them, they would have thought 10 times about the parades of those who do not need to enter ukraine, but they did not accept this... they carried out their own plan, which was completely in a parallel

reality, and no one is guaranteed nato countries, that they will not be overthrown there either, i will remind you that, in principle, this has already happened more than once in history, and we have seen that despite the fact that there is no, there was no point in going somewhere, and the soviet union did russia get in there. and then there was much more, maybe some arguments, here, well, i'll tell you i explained, as i see it, they still want to make a provocation, and nato, until it collides with russia, russia will not understand anything, there is a war with finland, i am now re-reading the memories of those times, and you know that everything was logical, as if you don't need to go gray, but in the first days. of this situation , well, they just fell, there were corpses 1:10, and

even 1 to 17 were the days of the fallen soviet soldiers, that is, they just went there to oboe, and it would seem that everyone thought, but no, this cannot be, and at the same time, finland after all supported various countries, fought on their side, that is, that is why the soviet union only stopped. well, when he really got some kind of base there and took over the territory when it was given to him, but also when he realized that it would simply have terrible consequences for them, so in principle they can do whatever you want, i said and said and will check, let's check, i'm not making a forecast, i'm just seeing, i know something about their psychology, but they just itch, their hands itch, they'll try... they are sure that the eu and nato countries are weaklings, yes, the usa, they still respect there

for the fact that the usa has nuclear weapons , for nothing more, in fact, but the europeans, they do not consider anyone there capable of opposing them at all, until, sorry, they do not receive an answer, then they will climb, and they will definitely try to climb somewhere, provocation can be, why i think that it can be at the first opportunity already there next winter, when between there, maybe the elections on november 5 in the usa, the inauguration, there will be a certain period of such a period, well, not that anarchy, no, but a certain transfer, trans tranzytion, i.e. transfer authorities, so here i think we need to be careful, this may be just a convenient period for them, training... this is a good story, training is great, we still need to conduct

training in the black sea, in its eastern part, of nato countries, turkey, bulgaria, at least romania, regarding the fight against threats in the black sea basin, i think it will be useful for everyone. friends, i would like to remind you that during our broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about the following: does ukraine need a national government? unity if you watch us on youtube please vote or the yes or no button if you watch us on tv call us if you think this kind of government is needed call 0800 211 381 no 08021382 all calls to these numbers are free please vote we want your opinion . diplomat and politician valery chaly, and mr. valery, today's prime minister of ukraine denys are our guests today. at the government meeting, shmygel said that all the countries of the european union had previously agreed to

help ukraine in the amount of 500 billion euros. let's hear what shmigel said. on february 1, we we expect that the eu will approve a new four-year support program for ukraine worth 50 billion euros (ukraine facility). we can preliminarily say that all 27 eu members agreed to support it. program this year, we expect that the eu will be able to provide us with financial assistance approximately at the level of 2023, to cover the deficit of the ukrainian budget , it would be important for us to attract about eight. orban had doubts about this money until the end, whether it should be given to ukraine or not. orban spoke this week about nato, whether ukraine should join nato or not. fitzo

met this week with shmyhal in uzhhorod and said that... they will not object if private arms factories in slovakia sell weapons to ukraine to private companies. what, in your opinion, is the reason for the change in the position of fico and orbán, why are they going now, if shmygal's words are to be believed, why are they taking a step to meet ukraine? well, first of all, i will say frankly, after the statement by our current prime minister, mr. shmyhal, that ukraine can join the european union, i will allow myself to wait a little for the first date, after all, approval 500 billion happens on the first day, all this is preliminary, that's all, well, let

's wait for the first and it will be very good, if what prime minister shmygal said, it will be so, 50 billion makrafin. will be provided, what was before, well, it is so obvious that this is the right decision of the european union for a long time, but let's not forget that there are still funds, for which i do not yet know that they have been fully unlocked, again the same bloomberg or other publications say that 20 billion have been unlocked here as well, it is european, it seems is called the peace fund, which consolidates military aid to ukraine. in terms of the military, it is no less, or even more important, that it should be. now regarding the position of the countries. here i divide the attitude to the position of hungary and to the position of slovakia. first, not everything we hear in public is to be trusted, just some things can really be said for

internal use. we have to respond to them, but understand the context and the words. just the prime minister, he may have many desires to somehow stand out there and repeat orbán, but so far his control over the parliament is very there so not very convincing for the media, after all , the slovak media is still, or will continue to be , free, more free, and they can also ask uncomfortable questions, that is , sometimes we are not the first time. we read, we have to watch, but it's good that the slovak position , it still hasn't changed, but in hungary, it's still, well, more constructive, although where it will go next depends on many factors, the hungarian one, it's more like that, you know , strategic, that is, prime minister of hungary orban acts in accordance with

of his strategy, vision, he is trying to... play in moscow, well, it is obvious, in return to receive all kinds of gingerbread there, from the kremlin, well, starting with nuclear energy, ending with, well, it is said that at one time his party was not even financed very from european countries, that is, he, plus he wants to use two sides in financial terms, and the russian one. and brussels and he wants to pull, i.e. him, this is bargaining, there is such a word, bargaining, so it seems to me that it is inoffensive, it simply establishes that this is not a politician, but bargaining, that is, one who is engaged in trading deals in international affairs , that is, it is not about values, not about geopolitics, it is purely about his power inside the country, he

saw that it works, he saw that it is possible to trade, but he only... threats, loss of some kind of contact with brussels is also acting on it, well, for example , the termination of hungary's right to vote is currently on the table, there is such a solution, there may be such a solution, and, for example, brussels said that if hungary continues to block, they will bypass this one and allocate a package only for on a bilateral basis in tranches, well, that is, in principle, he already got everyone there, of course, because it is an eu country, a nato country, what will happen next? to plan, but it is difficult to say, but i think that this is his strategy, he is waiting for a change of power in the usa, donald trump calls him the best politician in europe, and even one in the world. well, he likes it, so i really wish that the prime minister of slovakia, fitz, would not follow his path, i was at the meetings where i was, where the negotiations were conducted with the participation

of prime minister fitz, to be honest, he did not succeed i have the impression that someone like us now we are evaluating him based on his statements, i really hope that the very circumstances in slovakia, and the slovak people, and his support has always been there. it will remain unchanged, although the trends there after the work of the russians in slovakia can seriously change, that is why the prime minister of slovakia often reacts very strongly to the pro-russian mood in the eastern part of the country, that is, his electorate in the eastern part, so let's be more calm about it , but we will have to respond to any statements that come from such a level of persons, if it is a... obviously, mr. valery, the future of nato will also depend on orbán, since the turkish president erdoğan signed the parliament's decision

to ratify the protocol on sweden's accession to the north atlantic alliance, i understand that now there is not enough hungary, do i understand correctly? hungary, which stated, as far as i don't remember who exactly, but it was an official statement, hungary will not be the last, that if turkey does it. well , hungary just automatically lied, well, i understand that the hungarian government lied, that is after that, they invited sweden to come to the negotiations, to which the swedish side absolutely, well absolutely, well, with real reasons, said, we have nothing to talk about with you, you did not set any conditions for sweden, yes for finland, but no for sweden , well, that is, they got involved in this and that's why... well, they're just, sorry, now they'll send them, this particular sweden will be a member of nato, and no matter what i do there, one country, i assure you, is like, well, one a country like

france, germany, or the usa, or great britain, can block there, and that our nato membership was blocked by two countries at one time, one country will not block the process, i am sure of that, so sweden will get a definite decision and it will be in nato this year, one more thing. an important issue, mr. valery, is north korea's participation in russia's war against ukraine. defense express experts write that last tuesday , missiles from north korea were used during the last strike, a massive strike by russia on the territory of ukraine and, in particular, on kyiv. the government of the united states of america is worried about the fact that kimchenin in the next month... may carry out some deadly action against south korea, the new york times writes about this , that is, everyone states the fact that, together with

russia, north korea is trying to use all its accumulated potential, military potential, or in war against ukraine, or in a war against south korea, maybe against japan they will be able to use this potential, or maybe against the united states of america, well, it could all be because they have different types of weapons, they are a country in exile, that is, they are under sanctions, but the fact remains: north korea was and remains the most militarized country, but we do not see any reactions or actions regarding north korea now, why? well, we actually just... the focus of our attention is sharpened on the issues of the russian war against ukraine and the middle east, there are steps there, even last year there were additional agreements signed by the us with south korea on

additional actions and the deployment of american, let 's say, response capabilities there on the territory of south korea, that is, no, south korea is preparing for a possible confrontation in reality. and i will tell you one thing , in my opinion, this whole situation just showed that a war on land for countries like russia, north korea, it just has its, well , attractive sides, yes, because in conditions where you are not you stretch there, you don't stretch technologically, you can just turn the war into the war of the last century or. well, the war there is even of the third generation, as we can see, even this, and that one is of the fourth, so in my opinion, well, now i am

i estimate, while they are talking... about a possible attack there on taiwan, then it is more realistic to have a serious collision between the two koreas, and here, in fact , a very serious situation can really develop, so in principle, i think that north korea also has certain allocation limits , yes, she, according to the testimony of the americans, she singled out. huge reserves of their own, not for nothing, in exchange for the fact that russia provides them with technology, provides more high-tech capabilities, and this is dangerous. today it is obvious that north korea, the leadership there, everything is based on an exclusively militaristic concept, i.e., and they will not abandon this, as the rhetoric increases, the power

of the north korean dictator increases, so they will now also make statements more belligerently, i will tell you more, not so long ago he abandoned exactly that , well, they formally do not have peace, but such a truce, and demonstratively demolished, demolished, i don't know if in his presence, i don't look, there is already daily news, but the fact that there was such a monument... maybe the unification of korea, they demolished it, made changes that now for them, the inhabitants of half of south korea, they are not compatriots, as they used to be, just deoccupy and annex, they are enemies, that is, this is an obvious increase in hostile rhetoric, and this may lead to a real confrontation, regarding the missiles on our territory, the south, north korea is using now it's like a training ground to get ready to...

perfect these weapons right there in their theater of war, they're getting ready for war, and there was word this week that putin might go to north korea, but piskov said that before the election of this will not, and but the united states of america reacted, said that this is very bad, and they are worried about the joint work of russia and north korea. mr. valery, thank you for the conversation and i wish you well. thank you for being with us for an hour, this was valery chaly, diplomat, politician, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, no save money, please like this video, let the conversation with valery chaly be seen by as many viewers as possible on youtube. and

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nato's military exercises began during most of the cold war, and we talk about them on the air of bbc news ukraine. olga polamaryuk works in the studio. how western countries are preparing for a possible war with russia and what conclusions they have been drawing since two years ago. full-scale russian invasion of ukraine. the scenario of a war, a major war with russia in europe, seems to be starting to be considered seriously. not so long ago , the financial times and bloomberg wrote that the delay in providing aid to ukraine from the west is causing ukraine's allies to think.