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glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health, for the next two hours we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory. today in the program. signals from putin. the kremlin allegedly informed the us of its readiness for negotiations on ukraine, which game the russian dictator is playing. premonition of a great war. nato conducts the largest exercises. times of the cold war. how quickly can russia prepare for an attack? assistance will not be blocked. hungary and slovakia softened its position on ukraine, which influenced orbán and fico. we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with diplomat valery chal. in the second part of our program, which will start in an hour, there will be a journalism club. olga musafirova and olga len will be guests. our journalism club. however,

before starting our big conversation, let's watch a video of how ukrainian soldiers destroyed the latest russian t-90 tank. on the left bank of the kherson region. vivid footage of the finishing of equipment with drones was made public journalist yuriy butusev. let's see.

friends, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like our pages and also subscribe to... our pages, for those who are currently watching us on youtube, please participate in our vote. today we ask you about the following: does ukraine need a government of national unity? yes, no, vote with the appropriate buttons, or write your vision or your understanding of what kind of government ukraine currently needs. if you watch us on tv, take your smartphones and vote if so, then 0800-211-381, not 0800. 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free. we have a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine in the united states of america in 2015-19 , valery chaly. mr. valery, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. i congratulate

you. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. well, since we are asking our tv viewers whether ukraine needs a government of national unity, i will ask you too. what do you think? does ukraine need such a government now? i would not like to influence your opinion viewers at the beginning of the program, well since you already asked, ukraine, in my opinion, needs dynamics in the conditions of war, and absolutely, well , the same level of inclusion, not only the authorities, everyone, and everyone, and the president, and the parliament, and the fact that we have... ministers, well , he now plays a strange role, but none the less, and in general broad circles of business and society, that is, because for two reasons, firstly, there is fatigue, and fatigue with maximum involvement, it is obvious at the front, that is, it

is undoubtedly impossible, there are human physical forces, they are not limitless, there are just such and such mental problems, and likewise, if... i invested as much as possible at 100%, some kind of renewal is needed within the power institutions, i just don't know how to do it correctly in conditions when it is not possible to hold elections, but here, in fact , the thing that lies on the surface is certain rotations in the executive structures, and what they can be, obviously, if they have a broader basis under them, then it will be better, especially since now there have been reports that the majority of factions in power... there used to be there are problems in the parliament, that's why it is probably necessary to review first to see what coalition will be in the parliament, it could be a coalition of national unity, and accordingly, we can talk about the government. well, actually, that is why we are asking mr. valery of our

tv viewers, because david darakhamiya says that 17 deputies from the servant of the people want to leave the parliament, and this may... create problems for the majority, well , it will not create problems for the parliament, but most will need to create a new one, i would just like to add with your permission that as far as i know, there are now revolutionary ideas, how to change everything, but without changes, let's say this, and such ideas to change without changes are the wrong idea, that is, if there is a problem, but there is no reaction, because there really is a war ... there are not all the mechanisms that can be used, one mechanism is clear, we should not weaken the institution, in this case the parliament, and in fact, there are mechanisms here, but on the other hand, it

seems that the mechanisms of yesterday are being sought day, in such a way that the coalition that is in power there does not collapse, but it has been gone for a long time mostly parla. that is, by and large, today's composition of both the parliament and the governmental, not governmental, but committees in the parliament, does not correspond to what was during the elections. this is obvious, therefore, without elections, without even holding elections in the parliament, it would now be possible to really think about expanding, already consolidating the expansion of the coalition, by the way, such coalition agreements, they existed at one time, that is, they are also in our legislation can be a broad coalition, if we say it's a war and everyone is united, i don't understand why here problems, to unite some kind of coalition based on the defense of ukraine, the defense of ukraine, european... euro-atlantic integration, and then, by the way, those who, well, are in the opposition or

oppose the authorities, they will be part of this process, it will be theirs shared exact responsibility. i absolutely agree with you that in the conditions of war, such a government or such a coalition will give the impression that the government is united in ukraine, there is no such division of the government, the opposition, well, even conditional, during the war, i understand, it is difficult to speak, will master who is, who is the power, although the power is that, in which has the resources and opportunities to influence domestic and foreign policy, and such unity, and such a government would then allow our western partners to say that we have a united power, we are united by one goal, we are on our way to victory, i i hope that it will be so, let's return to... our current political events and results of this week, because russia has quite actively

used the un security council platform in the last few days to prove that ukraine is a terrorist country, a country that kills, a country that shoots down planes. first it was a story about a bazaar that was shelled. in donetsk by russian troops, and they blamed ukraine, the first case and the second case, when the il-76 plane crashed in the belgorod region, and in the first and second cases, sergey lavrov, who is at the united nations, was one of those who tried to declare that ukrainians do not need to be given weapons. because you see, they use it not for its intended purpose, as you

assess, that is what happened in the un security council, and in general in the un, in the context of the arrival lavov himself there, in the context of the fact that this, this, this high platform in the world, russia is constantly trying to use with us, despite the fact that most countries, or representatives of countries, still understand that russia started the war in ukraine. and not ukraine, two questions, firstly, regarding the un tribune. well, it is obvious that legally, and everyone knows this and it has been proven, russia has, in fact, seized the place of the former soviet union, including and uses it in the security council, as a matter of rights, and well , the ukrainian side regularly raises this story to everyone meetings, but the decision... well, there is no , by the way, there is still no decision regarding the restriction of the right to vit, well, here we are unlikely

to achieve anything quickly, i think that the situation will remain like this, or should we be better in this situation to be a participant of all processes, well, so far , but you are really right, now the second part, the russians often use this participation for propaganda, i will tell you that at other meetings of the security council, they sometimes declare things. which absolutely contradict what they built, built in relation to ukraine, in relation to ukraine, they built scheme of liars, it is based on many liars, and this can be proven with facts, and the members of the radbez council already know this, everyone, well, some pay attention to this, some just want to remain silent, but everyone knows very well that, for example, the radbez is devoted to the problem the middle east, russia did not block. regarding the striking by the united states of 100 missiles, including tamahawks, against those

missiles of the kushites, you remember, russia did not block in any way, only one remark they wanted to make there, that it does not apply, or rather, to draw this of the palestinian solution to the palestinian issue, this is the first, and the second and most important thing is that the same rule that they supported at that meeting is not possible. to be used in the black sea, by the way, china supported them in this, what is possible, what is not possible in other points, that 's what they are doing, and they did not in any way, in any way , deny the right of the usa to react, and that was it. done very quickly at our own meetings, i mean, dedicated to the issues of the russian-ukrainian war, whether they are convened by russia or ukraine, the position is unchanged, this one is read, often very read the kremlin is a piece of paper that they receive, and it can be seen, sometimes at the last moment, and they simply read it. i think that

this is already a roach, she got everyone, well, actually, it can be seen in those countries. who just listen to it every now and then, and unfortunately the situation is that they sang about the latest situation, the press conference of the head of their foreign policy department, so what you asked, and i listened to it, i was just curious, what questions the journalists ask, there is nothing new there, what new explanations have i heard, which are worrying now... everyone, that russia really shows some moments of readiness or preparation for a possible attack on nato countries or provocations, and so often they began to deny it, that it convinces me more and more that they will prepare it, so lavrov spoke according to freud, when asked if such a thing was planned, he said: you understand, well

, from no point of view, not political, not economic, any... we, we do not plan and it makes no sense for us to attack a nato country, and not we will attack and continue, exactly it’s interesting, we and the svo, this, they call the war against ukraine, a special military operation, we didn’t want to do that either, but the nato countries, that is, it was clearly said that in principle they are comparing it and it can be the same thing, yes but they have something fresh on this issue now. is being discussed, they convened a discussion there, well, first of all, no one believes them , the same lavrov at a press conference when asked about the plane that was there on russian territory, very close to military operations, why he ended up there, well this a military plane, and actually

, that's why it ended up there, very close to various russian and ukrainian weapons, that is, in this zone it is forbidden ... the solitude of civil aviation, it is a purely military plane, and its type is to destroy a transport, which is a clockwork , there is no difference, in principle , he is assigned to a military regiment, he performs military tasks, this is a fact that cannot be denied, and another fact that i can say, and this is a fact: russia does not allow international investigators into this disaster , i.e. does not allow, like them quickly... all this was wanted by the con artist, as lavrov says, you believe us, you just believe us , just trust, that's all, and they say to them, what kind of international investigation will there be, they say, no, no, i think lavova is not yet were instructed by the kremlin, and the kremlin has already said, no international investigation , this is the first, second,

you are declaring the number of dead civilians or prisoners of war . transportation, this is a violation of the rules of war, that is, it is clear, but they are not they even give the international red cross access to these prisoners, they do not give any to these lists, thus, this is a fact, another fact, these are the facts that have been proven, everything else still needs an international investigation, and so far there is no such investigation, then conclusions cannot be drawn. moreover, this investigation should be about exactly the violation of the rules of war, not about who fired at this plane, because it could have been russian friendly fire, that is, not about that, but about violations of the rules of war, and the investigation should be from the admission of all the examinations, everything, because now a days

they, you know, they can use, we have already seen it, when mh17 was shot down by them, this is this... the plane, they wanted so much to hide the fact that the russian beech was imported from russia, they they wanted to hide it so much that they took a break , they even got to the point that they were all photographed first against the background of the bodies of the dead, and then they cleaned it all up, and only then they admitted, well, if there were other explanations, and we, the ukrainian side, immediately demanded the admission of international experts, that is, we opened at once. all maps, even, frankly, in a situation where, well, maybe not everything was clear yet, but they definitely said yes, an international investigation, so until i see the data of the international... investigation, no russian comment whatsoever, neither lavrov nor putin, i do not accept, because i heard so many lies from them, during the war, you know that lies are a tool of war. well

, the united states of america accuses russia of trying to transfer responsibility for the consequences of the war unleashed by the kremlin to ukraine, because the haste with which the russian delegation convened the council without the un, after the il-76 fell in belgorod. region, this was announced by the deputy permanent representative of the united states of america to the un, ambassador robert wood, who said: russia's haste to convene a meeting of the council fully corresponds to the model from the russian textbook, with which he, with which we are all familiar. the russian federation has repeatedly tried to shift responsibility for the tragedies of the senseless war of choice onto others, as if it were the victim and not the aggressor, the representative noted american diplomacy, well, against the background of this, there was also a message that putin is sending signals through the united states of america about readiness for negotiations, regarding the war in

ukraine, you must have read this news from bloomberg, i don't know how much it is possible , mr. valery believe what bloomberg writes, but they say that through indirect contacts , president putin has sent a signal to the united states of america that he is open to dealing with ukraine. in particular, putin is allegedly ready not to object possible membership of ukraine in nato in exchange for consolidation of russian control over the territories of ukraine occupied in recent years. hints that russia is open to negotiations, even if they are insincere, could help sow divisions among ukraine's allies, isolating kyiv and undermining president zelensky's efforts to win support for his own formula. which foresees the complete exit of russia, that is what is behind the signals not even of putin, but behind the signals that appear

periodically in the press, about the signals of moscow, well they are not only hidden, they are open, they publicly state that they want to stop active actions as soon as possible because... they are obviously in a difficult situation, and they also have serious problems, they need a period to restore their capabilities, our armed forces and defense forces there have halved, at least theirs, well, the army both on the black sea and on sukhodol, that is, it is clear that they are not happy that their supplies are now being stopped. not delighted with putin's entourage, which supplies from tuabse, supplies from transshipment there near leningrad or st. petersburg make money from this, that is, it is clear that they want

a pause, which, by the way, they want to use to know about the lifting of sanctions, including, therefore, in principle, it sounds like that we are ready as soon as possible, only on our terms, the terms they announced, in short, the capitulation of ukraine. that is, the conditions are such and that's all, that is , what is the readiness for negotiations, the peace formula offered by the ukrainian side, they absolutely reject, one more point, mediators offered them, you know that in switzerland, the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy stated that switzerland is ready and offered to hold a summit on the peace formula this year, and switzerland also officially stated that here... they don’t see it, or they only see it from with the participation of the russian side, were officially addressed precisely in new york, to which lavrov immediately publicly

said that russia does not agree to this, that is , he clearly stated that russia does not want negotiations even on the official basis of switzerland's proposal, so what does this mean, such things in general not discussed publicly, not discussed, if the swiss offered him, he immediately evaporated, sorry. for the word at the press conference, he first of all grounds, well, the swiss actually nullified this initiative, now i don’t know, it must be clear there that nothing will happen with russia, so i absolutely do not see any readiness of russia to stop the war , and the fact that rockets are flying, there are strikes on kharkov, strikes on ukrainian cities, this is just a confirmation of this, so it is absolutely not serious to talk about anything now, negotiations... possible only if our negotiating position is strengthened, ours, i mean the ukrainian one with the help and support of partners, and when the russian

side... is forced to take some steps, but i will tell you my position, it is different, i in general, i believe that the negotiations should proceed only with regard to the exchange of prisoners, the exchange, well, unfortunately, of the bodies of the dead, proceed with regard to, well, all these moments that arise during the war, in no way, as long as it is not possible to sign any agreement with this regime, any deal or something like that, but... maybe de facto it is somehow mediated by the usa, maybe somehow, primarily the usa, maybe somehow it will be transferred from one type of war to another, to another confrontation, but i warn right now and for the future , there can be no direct ukraine-russia negotiations with putin, that is, it will be our very losing position in any case, and our leadership knows this, so our position is always open. withdraw your

troops from our territory and then we can decide something, yes, when you kill our people, you continue the war, then you offer ukraine surrender, then how can you come to such things in any version, and what appears, it will constantly appear, and appeared, but well, but well , mr. valery, if russia wants negotiations regarding ukraine, it is not about the fact that they want to participate in the meeting regarding. zelenskyi's peace formula and not regarding direct negotiations with zelenskyi, they want negotiations with the united states of america, or with representatives of the north atlantic alliance, as they declared in december 21st, when putin's ultimatum was known about what the future architecture of influence in the world should look like, and look, yes, you are right, by

the way, very right moment, they responded with war, they gave an ultimatum in the 21st year that you they said that officially in letters the usa and nato received ultimatums, that is , to withdraw troops there from the territory of the countries that joined nato after 1996, that is , the ultimatum was nato and the usa, and they later, when neither the usa nor nato complied , did not fall for this ultimatum, whom they attacked, they have the usa, i surprise you. if not i am wrong, 4.5 km is the border in russia, that is, yes , it is in the strait, it is in alaska, well, if you take sukhadol, there is a longer distance, but they are very close to the usa, they did not attack the usa, they are afraid of this collision, they and nato have not yet attacked, so far, it may be, but they attacked ukraine, the question is, what is ukraine here, in general, in this scheme, and ukraine, well, i don’t want

to go into details, it’s... preposterous, well, just cynical thing, when they see that they can't hit the strong, because they get a war from a nuclear power, they hit the weak place, unfortunately, unfortunately, they considered ukraine to be such, they were wrong in many ways, but they did so, so now without ukraine, this decision will not happen, it is not possible to solve now what theoretically could be said in the 21st year, when there was no large-scale invasion of the territory yet. now, when they have caused enormous damage in ukraine, when they have violated the territorial integrity and sovereignty even more, you will not be able to do this without ukraine, even if, let me remind you, in the 21st year, there were a lot of russian troops concentrated on our borders, while do you remember, there was a meeting in geneva, the presidents of the usa and the president of russia, yes, this is the desire, i agree to sit up. well, how

will you decide now, when russia is already bogged down in this and ukraine is already a subject in this process, so any attempt to solve something without ukraine will end in failure. you mentioned this small distance between russia and the united states of america, well, obviously it also refers to alaska, because this whole story can unfold there, and medvedev tried to unfold this story this week, because putin... signed a decree on searching abroad for real estate that once belonged to the ussr and even the russian empire, and the proper registration of this real estate, after which the united states of america warned moscow about possible encroachments on american territory, and medvedev, the deputy head of the russian security council, wrote: according to a representative of the state department, russia not getting back alaska sold...