intra-ukrainian, because it is obvious that when they got excited about 65 ukrainian prisoners , they expected some kind of internal disturbance, this disturbance did not happen either, after all, everyone , well, there is some understanding that the danger for our prisoners is primarily borne by the russian occupiers, because they this danger create, of course, there are nuances that can be talked about, the first important nuance, which, well, i believe, should have been sounded earlier, that is, the statement from the ukrainian side that ukraine did not know about how there, what they are going to transport, who, where, and about the fact that ukrainian prisoners were on this plane, should have sounded much earlier, she had to wait there for 7 hours 20 times. check, and check

it faster, she should have left, well, somewhere at least an hour after such statements were made by russia. i think that an hour of time for the state machine is enough to form this answer, absolutely, and the fact that it was not formed, yet they waited with it, i think it is wrong, it gave the opportunity to really speak more to the russians all nonsense about this, again, we only see after the fact... that their conversations about the fact that there were some prisoners on the plane, well, actually, they are not confirmed by anything, except for the mere words of the russians, that is, judging by everything, it is not corresponds to the reality, which in principle we also said that we do not have, our official position is that we do not have any information that there were prisoners on this plane, well, in fact, it remains so for now, no one has any information, it is possible talk a little more. about what, well, about

this very, you know, special operation regarding prisoners of war and how they tried to stir it up, well, let's talk, maybe a little later now, thank you, olga, you are an experienced informant and journalist, i'm even afraid to make a mistake, you've been working for 40 years, or even more hardly, but about 40 , yes, about 40, well, i... i have been working in journalism for 32 years or 30 33, i guess that's how you perceive the way russia is now trying to roll out all these informational ipso already at the international level not just for its audience, because what happened to the plane, it a few days happened with the donetsk bazaar, which they destroyed, 27 or 28 people died there. and they also threw in the fact that it

is us, obviously, obviously, this car works very well for them, and they simply grew up on this, on this lie, everyone is there and in no other way, right? sergey, i think that there is no great sense, we now have to analyze in detail the pluses and minuses and pitfalls, how russian propaganda works, you know, let them have a headache. er, i don't see any sense in this, er, we we know that russian propaganda is built on lies, and whether it is bigger, there to a greater or lesser extent, we, well, it seems to me that there is no need to analyze or study it, with your permission, i would like to say a few points about what orya started to say, this is an important point... about communication with ukrainian

society, this is very important for me to be able to do now, because we cannot say, for sure, that this terrible special operation that took place is the last, i had a small discussion with colleagues regarding the fact that i wrote that communications had failed, i i think so, because we have such an organization, how to correctly call it a strategist, yes, strategic communications, which by definition these people should convey to society a concentrated opinion of what happened, there is no need for the generals and the president to come out, we understand what to comment that. what happened in

russia is impossible, but this, this phrase: we do not have the technical ability to say what happened to the russian... plane on the territory of the russian federation, it can and should have been said immediately after it became known about this disaster, absolutely , this is not a secret, but it is information, and it is not obvious to the majority of citizens, and if we are rooting for the ukrainian point of view to be present in the western ... media, then i simply ask you convincingly to believe the word that it is true the associated press and raters would be quoted, what the first hours of information silence, we find out

the situation from kyiv, they presented this situation from moscow, not because they are playing on the side of the aggressor, but because we did not give them the opportunity . anything, even something to quote, and that would be something. thank you, literally so that we take this into account for the future. thank you, olga, ulya, just a minute. i , i agree with zola that it really is a problem, because there is no single center that is involved in this kind of crisis communication, that knows how to work with crises, we have crises every day, so it's just an ongoing process , reducing everything to the fact that the office of the president has to say something is a clear failure, because not everything can always be said by the office of the president for so many reasons, and i also agree with the fact that, well, what i said, the father's statement that that russia

didn't agree with anything about us not knowing what was going on with the plane yes i agree it should have been like an hour literally but then again it's... maybe when you have a single center that analyzes the information quickly , and where there is someone to turn to. i will also say a very important thing, the biggest, i believe, failure in this story was that the ukrainian truth printed a message, which in fact spread internationally, as such, that there is some sort of confirmation that the ukrainian side is somewhere confirmed that something was wrong, referring to some sources in the armed forces, and this is also the case. a failure not only of the ukrainian truth, not only of the person who reprinted it, but also a failure of state communication, because there must be a structure within the general staff, where journalists who are going to print something like this, who can

at least minimally verify this information, say: well, you can't declare, but tell us if we can print it, at least in such words. well, it is correct in the conditions war is simply another choice and it shouldn't be , i'm sorry, but it shouldn't be, well, it's a political structure, it should really be something in the general staff, where people are distant from political interests, who are not engaged in political censorship, but who are engaged in exactly military in some way, well, call it censorship, call it something else, but it should be some kind of place where we can turn to such. thank you, colleagues, we have to go to a small commercial, and in literally a minute we will return to our studio, do not switch. there are discounts on evkalor - 20% in in pharmacies plantain to you and savings. there are discounts on

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friends, we are working live, this is the verdict program, and our guests today are olga musafirova and olga lenin. let me remind you that we are conducting a survey. we ask you this: does ukraine need a government of national unity? yes, no, on the screen you see phone numbers, if you watch us on tv, vote, if you watch us on youtube, vote with the corresponding buttons yes, no. olya, we actually finished with how russian propaganda threw in information and with lists of prisoners of war, and this is also, probably, a rather important question, which should be answered there by a torture. in the opinion of olga or other competent

ukrainian structures, so far it is clear that the exchange was being prepared, it is not clear whether these people were going to be exchanged or not, we do not have answers to these questions, well, in my opinion, there are really two questions, in principle, which are so painful for us, well, the first is really which is already official the ukrainian authorities from ... told about what did not happen, russia did not coordinate the way of transporting prisoners, and this is the fault of russia, in any case, if these prisoners were in danger. but there is a second one, which i think will just be subject to wild speculation now, and already is. pay attention, these lists that the russians threw in, which they are discussing, and as if on an official level as well, they threw them in unofficially. and i watched very carefully. as they are discussed, they say, the lists that appeared on the internet, as if they were not thrown in by a person who

is practically in the civil service, because margarita simonyan, she is in the civil service, because the place where she works is a state company, actually, but for us a little something else is important here, so that 65 surnames in these lists are for us, well, in principle, living people, you see, and we... if we don't care what happens to them, and here we have a fork, you know, a very serious one, which we have to work with , with which you have to be very, well, you know, not that i don't like them very much, for example, here are all the cries that we have in social networks and around, show us the corpses, you seriously want to see the corpses, well, just think, here you seriously want to see 65 corpses on the list, what really, well, just think, when you something you say, secondly, i think it would be right, well

, to discredit these lists, it would be very good if we succeeded, and this is actually, well, journalism must be included here, because we need to conduct an investigation into those really people who appear in these lists, and this not only state bodies should do it, journalists should also do it, in order to find out whether these people have really been extradited, if... information appeared that one person had already been changed in these lists, well, that's it there is discrediting of their these lists, and then we protect all the other names on this list in this way, you know? but that's the job of journalists to find relatives, to ask if that's how it happened, and on the other hand, again, there could be two different things with these lists, or it's part of some real lists, and they just threw out the first thing they came across, it's another matter if they were preparing for this case, and these are really lists of those people they have already

killed, this can also be the case, and then we should also conduct. the reason for the investigation, and this is also not only state work, but also journalistic work. thank you, olya, there are a lot of questions, and unfortunately, we do not have the answers yet. another short topic, about how the historical lands that are on the territory or part of the territory of russia, the decree about how the border territories bordering our state and the preservation of ukrainian identity, we must preserve it there. on the day of cathedral unity, zelensky announced, very briefly , let's see what he said, today we must take steps not only to strengthen the cathedral unity of ukraine and our people, but also to act for the cathedral unity of rights and freedoms, the truth about ukrainians, the truth about us and the truth about our

history, and for this purpose today i signed the decree. about the territories of the russian federation historically inhabited by ukrainians? well , such a decree was signed by zelenskyi, olga, how do you perceive the desire to outline zelenskyi here are the historical lands of ukraine, because in russia they are already croaking and shouting that we are encroaching on their territory, although we are talking about our lands. thank you. this is a question, i just recently had a paper study come out about this, so i'm a bit on the subject of this. well, first of all, there were few decrees of president zelensky that made such an impression on russians, from the kremlin to ordinary people. they know about this decree, and

it gives me this, you know, good feeling about that. because, because it was not enough, it was necessary in the end, to remind that ukraine was not always within these borders, in which it is now, and for many centuries, the states were transformed, were bigger, were smaller, and to remind that ukraine also had its own historical territories, in no way is this testifies to our some militant expansionist intentions, yes, which immediately reacted in the kremlin: my god, they will capture belgorod, kursk and so on. i have a feeling that on the eve of this decree , mr. president communicated closely with the world congress of ukrainians, because first of all, he is mentioned twice in the document, and secondly, well,

this is such a mainstream line that the line carries. leaders of the world congress. very briefly about this study on the topic of the protection of the ukrainian diaspora in russia, and those places that were called the green wedge, the gray wedge, the yellow wedge, actually all the things that were mentioned in the decree. so, according to the data of the 2020 all-russian census of the first years, you see, censuses are taking place in them, there are 3.34 million ukrainians living on the territory of russia, that is, 3% of the population, it is the third largest nation in russia, after the russians and tatars, is a very large

community, but what we must remember is that all these people are... citizens of the russian federation, they have passports of citizens of the russian federation, and they had their own association, the federal the national and cultural autonomy of ukrainians in russia, the association of ukrainians in russia is the second, the second such large organization, all these organizations were suppressed and closed precisely during yanukovych's rule. i think that it was somehow, it corresponded, yes, probably already then, with putin and yanukovych talked about this topic, why should we... support this ukrainianness on the territory of russia, when in the near future there will be no state borders between our countries, well

, actually, 30 seconds, we have oli on the air, and i want to say that the ukrainian diaspora as such does not exist in russia now , that is, we can... record it as a historical fact, but to say that there are ukrainians there, ukrainians who, well, feel themselves to be the bearers of the national spirit, individual people, yes, they still remain there , but it is hardly possible to talk about massive things, thank you, olya, i am too i will remind our viewers that in 1918 there was a kuban people's republic and it declared independence. from russia and joined the ukrainian people's republic on federal terms, well, that's it for reference, and i want to thank our guests, olga leni, olga musafirova, were guests

of our program today, during our program we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether ukraine needs a government of national unity, so 90%, 91% said yes on youtube, 86% yes, 14 against, that's it. the results of this survey, it was a verdict program , it was conducted by serhii rudenko, i will say goodbye to you until monday at 20:00, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye, dmytro linartovych is an honored actor of professional voice acting for theater and cinema, he is a people... in seven artists, and dmytro is an actor in the theater of war. for the past two years, he served at the front in the airborne assault troops. he saw the real

hell of war with his own eyes. dmytro, tell me, please, in which areas of the front did you have to fight during these almost two years? in the kherson direction, in bakhmut itself and in soledar itself. the kherson direction is also alarming , dangerous actions and there are many movements on the battlefield, more and more such ambushes were made there, ambushes, holding objects, trench history , well, in bakhmut, we made assaults there , we already cleared the fortifications, somehow we were lucky, we got out with our reconnaissance platoon. .. well, practically without such, without losses, here, but here in saledar, where we were already taken into a ring and we are already together, we are paratroopers side by side with

border guards, there were already shots fired, but there i got the idea of ​​a mine-explosive this is hard the wounds and the contusion, this is the last point, it was the soldier himself, it was the scariest moment you had in the war, in the war. there is no fear, why, well, it is subjective about me, you understand, there and there, there is like a circuit breaker, there, for example, there is either a blockade of feelings, there is black and white, and well, it is natural, a person happens, or , for example, you catch such boyish-wolfish courage and go ahead, go ahead with a maroon beret, then in this case it was such that go ahead, go ahead, you just live, there is no time for it. fear, why, because there to stay in the military, you don't buy, for example , cartridges in the store, you connect them, you fixed the rpska, you communicate, somewhere there

you ate a piece of some food from a knife, swallowed it, somewhere it fell into the bilge, somewhere you took a gulp of some liquid , and here is such a ruchanka, and even when i felt the moments, for example, here i was in an armored personnel carrier in the soledar there, where i was shooting back, i was driving there to rake. it’s all business, and in me, as i felt, how even the neurons were dying, how my skull was being squeezed, there was a contusion, explosives, i was slowed down by these processes, i feel like now here and there, here and there, well, that’s it, it’s over for me, you know, it’s coming , there’s no fear, you’re just experiencing here and now, what’s happening, you were wounded there, yes, mine explosive heavy, and a plus also a concussion, this bullet flew into my cerebellum. professor bobrov, i thank him, took it, cut the head, took it out, sewed it, then there are fragments from the shoulder blade, this part is boiling there

behind me. this left arm was also like a whip, they even pulled me out of the armor and injected me with morphies, all the tactical medicine, i already communicated here in civilian life, he says it’s not possible, what are you doing, well, it was necessary to prick, because i was already pricked at ground zero, so that the heart vessel would be systinated, so that the blood clots would not break, so that there would be overexcitation this, you understand, remember that we are on the earth given by god. "we will never be broken, we are winning, glory to ukraine, it is interesting to understand, here is this fracture of your personality of a person who is from a family, yes, directly related to cinematography, who studied to be an actor, and at some point you completely changed everything, here can you remember that one

moment, what happened, what triggered it, what did you say to yourself that yes, i will go to fight, i will seriously go to fight, that's what changed, well, imagine that since 1993 i worked in the theater of the armed forces of ukraine, and in this theater of the armed forces forces of ukraine since 1993, i traveled in military units, i flew to crimea on an amphibious transport plane with decorations in the sky... we were transported in the sky, landed, we performed among the marines, among the coast guard, mechanized brigades, in the amphibious brigades, well, they gave speeches then when there was trouble in the 14th year, this is again , this is all, this is all a logical pattern and a continuation of the fact that, well, the horde, it never stops, it must be cut down, stopped and actively acted on, then i started my

speeches even more, for this , a guitar, an instrument helped me, i started to write author's texts about people in the military profession, i communicated with them and i have the right, because i spent a lot of time in hospitals, and just like with you, a person sits there without legs in a wheelchair, military handsome, and we talk with him, and it's me too, it's me too prompted me to decide to become a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, i initially joined the teroboron voluntarily. i didn't know how it would all turn out, i didn't know what would happen next, i just did the act for myself in the understanding that the land is mine, it poses a threat, it needs protection, and people like me, conscious ukrainians, citizens of ukraine , thousands, and here we all volunteered to join the military, despite

our profession, despite some inner convictions...we left, and when kyiv was cleared, i was first in the territorial defense, then in one battalion, and then this was not enough for me, i am probably one of those people who cannot, you know, sit quietly with folded hands, and i, i wanted to bring this whole thing to a logical conclusion, and there is only one logical conclusion, it is our victory, the clearing of our of the holy god. land of ukraine, and i went to the airborne assault troops, there was a preliminary selection, so i passed, well, let's say, as they say , a creative competition for actors, only the military has a combat creative selection, and even after that i was drafted into the airborne assault troops because zhytomyr military mothers, i got into the 199th training center, where the armed forces of ukraine gave a full package, you understand, and also

a military registration special. of a scout, these are night shootings, work in twos, fours, camouflage, topography, and all this in brotherhood in the military spirit, well, paratroopers are people, as you understand, restrained, so every morning we took the oath of a paratrooper in the ranks, read the oath, and in we also had moral preparation, moral and willpower, and physically, of course, many of us got out of the distance due to the protrusion of the spine there, some... to health, who could not stand it, because a paratrooper must carry an rps, an unloading suspension system, a body armor, various suspensions, a paratrooper's shoulder pad, weapons, and everything and everything, and then, in the end, and the comrades of the one who , who was wounded, and after that, i got into the 46th airborne assault brigade, as i received, completed this course completely, that is, i

completely changed from... well, let's say that profession, although i am a profession.