a message from the intelligence agencies of estonia. yes, we understand that estonia is not, so to speak, the center of, i don’t know, russian or anti-russian espionage, but in any case, that estonian analytical centers process a lot of different nato information, and therefore we take extremely seriously a message from the head of the intelligence center of the estonian defense forces, colonel ans kiveselg. so, in words, according to him, the situation on the battlefield for... has not undergone much change. the overall intensity of hostilities decreased comparatively with the previous weeks with one exception : in the area of ​​avdiivka, the number of shelling from the russian federation has a tendency to increase and according to representatives of estonian intelligence, the decrease in combat activity of the enemy is mostly connected with a change in the weather, an increase in the amount of precipitation and the maintenance of positive temperatures, due to which the soil unfolds and becomes more difficult

for heavy military equipment. at the same time, according to kiveselg, the russians continue active hostilities in the avdiyivka area and accumulate equipment there, presumably in preparation to another breakthrough attempt. this is an extremely important signal. next, i quote the head of intelligence of the estonian defense forces. it is likely that the current intensity of offensive activity in the direction of avdiivka and its possible reorientation also towards. on breaking the fighting spirit of ukrainians, well, but we understand that our spirit is more stable, despite the fact that according to already official russian imperial information, russian enemy groups on the fronts in ukraine number about 617 thousand people, the moscow führer stated this, so what, we will on standby, and now, accordingly...

my colleagues will pick up the informational and analytical baton, i wish you a peaceful evening, and see you on the air. good evening, we are from ukraine.

i welcome you to the espresso channel, today in our military program we will talk about new technologies that are being developed and used in... ukraine to protect our soldiers on the front line and large areas of the entire state. it is about electronic warfare systems, which ukraine now has to develop in an afterburner mode. this is what i would call such digital gunpowder if determine the value of this potential. in the context of commander-in-chief valery zluzhny's article in the economist, entitled modern positional war, and how to win in it. that's the system. electronic warfare

is defined there as one of the five priorities that should contribute to the exit from the positional war. so, what exactly is so cool and new being done in ukraine, how reb can nullify the mass threat from enemy fpv drones and other means of impression, how reb can fight cruise missiles, but it is equally important to know that that reb's means are not superweapons. it has its side effects and limitations. we will talk about all this in this issue of our "war and weapons" program. my name is serhii zgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express. and my interlocutor will be yuriy momot, he is the deputy general director of the piranyateh company. and not for the first time in the format of such a detailed conversation. mr. yuri, i welcome you to the express channel. good day. i will start the conversation with the fact that your company is a well-known company. produces various systems to deal with

drones, starting with anti-drone guns, dome reb, but i wanted to start with what you told me before our conversation that now... your company has made another new development, which seems to be not formally related to reb means, but contributes to so that it is possible to effectively fight against the enemy's means of attack, what kind of development is it about, what details can be told now? well, in this case we are talking about detection systems, detection systems are divided into active and passive, in this case we work in two directions and have already developed technical documentation. both for active and passive radar stations, but first of all, we are currently in the process of forming the purchase of the necessary parts and spare parts for active

radar stations due to the fact that there will be a greater need for them, why? because it will be necessary to talk about stvo'. of ukraine, so that it would be such that neither the topography of the area nor the riverbeds would interfere with seeing the unmanned aerial vehicles that move around the territory of ukraine and try to destroy our infrastructure objects are not in the combat zone. that is, it is actually about the fact that you have created a new radar that will provide... the detection of cruise missiles there at low altitudes, and this rls will be inexpensive, it can be scaled and sufficiently effective, and what are the expectations, the expected technical characteristics, then the combination of these two rp passive and active,

there will be two stations in the system of active rls, that means one station is the one that detects, that is, it constantly monitors the so-called range. detection somewhere up to 100 km depending on which target is moving, that is, the smaller the target, the shorter the detection distance will usually be, 100 km for low-altitude targets, yes, at the expense of what, at the expense of the envelopes at the expense of the antenna , at the expense of special software that will be used, that is, this radar station will be. working with low power, it will be quite difficult to detect it, but at the same time it will see up to 100 km, to what height should this antenna be raised so that it can see me, up to 3 m, yes, that is, look, the question is that the low-altitude radar field, it is exactly up to 500 m, despite the fact that

it will be necessary to install them in those places where our air defense cannot see these low-altitude, at low altitudes. they don’t see the whole , that is, it’s the terrain, it’s the riverbeds along which they move exactly, well, at the moment, the shaheds are mostly using this story, they understand the white spots that are in the air defense, and that’s why they use it, which is now the next the stage will be the testing of this system, acceptance for provision for service, if these characteristics are confirmed, then scaling through orders, yes so... so, and the second radar, which should work in this system, is the so-called pole radar station, we currently have mobile groups with impression systems, with lanterns, or with thermal imagers, or there with other means, and by the sound, or

when they see it, they try to shoot down an unmanned aerial vehicle of the shachet type, fire is given, fire is given... the fire radar, it will be with a fire control module, and data, er, weapons will be sent there, which will be used, that is, according to the range of the impression, according to the caliber of this or that fire means, and it will direct and take into account all the characteristics of this weapon and independently aim at the target, that is, the sight sees, transmits it to fire. the column continues to fire, and then it is possible to automate the process and no longer a person will turn and look, but the radar station will see and direct the weapon there, and is it possible to combine this column rls with those mobile groups that we are talking about, that is, it

will really increase their effectiveness, it will increase efficiency, and of course, in this case, this whole system will be just that. built in order for mobile groups to more effectively use both ammunition and the impression of targets, not without using thermal imagers there. lanterns there , at the same time it will be possible to talk about the fact that it will be possible to knock them down much earlier, and at the same time see to it that there are no populated areas below , over which they are knocked down, if we can say conventionally now, there is a need for 100 such sets, how long did it take in your company to meet these needs in view of these technological processes, well, look, in six months that two should be produced, that 50

, in fact, to date we have concentrated on the fact that these systems, antennas should be produced in ukraine, not the equipment should be produced in ukraine, yes, of course there will be foreign components, but they will be somewhere around 60% , but the main element is antennas and blocks. which are necessary to send signals and work with microwave channels, they will be manufactured in ukraine, that is , in fact, you are ready in principle to take on such an order, if it arrives in the near future, within the technical capabilities of these complexes you have no doubt, the tests will confirm them, yes, then i would like to move further then closer to reb, because reb's means are so well profiled. the focus of your company for many years , actually, because you've been doing these different tools even before the large-scale invasion,

and i'd like to start then, what 's changed in this last year on this digital battlefield in terms of reb tools, in terms of quantity, quality, what has changed for us, what has changed for the enemy, what is the general picture now? the general picture is as follows, that on today there is an active development of the so-called tactical... this is a rap that is actually used at ranges of up to 5 km, these are anti-drone guns, and dome -type systems, and the so-called rap systems, which create a wide field for them to work on a shorter distance, but more... a wide opening angle of the antenna in order to cover a larger area, so this is

the direction, the direction of development in this, and of course there are also systems that work at 20 km, for them, of course, that's all more difficult, and they need, and there and there, systems are needed detection, that is, today it is necessary to build, in addition to the fact that... suppression systems must be developed in the direction of passive detection of unmanned aerial vehicles such as fpv drones, drones, lancets that work through communication. you mentioned anti-drone guns, i heard that interest, interest in anti-torque guns is slowly waning, because relatively speaking, the frequencies on which the guns work have already changed, the enemy changes these... these frequencies and then, relatively speaking, what i bought it before, now i don't need it anymore, and from another point of view

on the other hand, the rifle is a fairly large device, you have to carry it with you, plus batteries and so on, and it imposes a number of additional obligations on the fighter, who is better off taking, relatively speaking, an ammunition kit for a submachine gun than carrying an anti-drone rifle, what does your experience say? yes, of course, and the frequencies change, and precisely, and not only the frequencies, today without... or even the same mavics, changed in the other direction, they increased the power on the remotes, and this led to the fact that the guns, which have lower signal strength, they are becoming less effective, because if the drone control panel used to have a range of 500 m, today they use directional antennas and use power

there up to four watts per communication channel, accordingly, guns really become that have weak power, they really cannot create effective interference at those distances at which they claimed earlier, to say that the frequencies have radically changed, well, for sure. not quite like that, they have expanded, but the channels that were, they are for today day and work, that is, channel 5.8, which, well, it was used, like for... video today is used for the video signal in fpv drones, it remained, that is, 5700, 5800, 50, yes, of course they are trying to expand it there and are expanding, but the majority today fly on video on 5750, 5850 on these frequencies, they usually use one and two analog on video, that is, two channels

on video are always used, mr. yu, does this not mean that, after all, little by little, this is the need for means of rebu, it shifts from anti-drone guns for the dome rebu, which apparently you can buy one unit, will close the whole unit and you don’t need to run around with guns, well, here is the information for yesterday, fpv drones started flying with a frequency of 2.4, dome systems are made 860-960, how are they will influence, well then it means that and... complete systems and anti-drone systems must be flexibly rebuilt to the situation that develops on the battlefield, and this is then the requirements for developers, and that they must anticipate these new challenges, see, guns in this case they are not gone, let’s say that they are used less, it is necessary, for sure, to change the tactics of use and make guns

of greater power in order to work on the same mavics that are used on the front line, as fire adjusters, reconnaissance, drones, they have power on the remotes large, they have quite serious cameras, and they stand 3-5 km from the combat zone, they can adjust fire, they also need to be delivered with something, but from the point of view of orders for your company, because you also produce dome systems of piranha and anti-drone guns, a request from the point of view of power structures from buyers, what? now they are more interested in guns or a bathhouse of rebel systems, er, more, why? because they want to install, in addition to everything , on equipment, not just on units in order to close units, the main issue today is that when half-buckets appeared, armored vehicles actually lost

their inviolability, and they have already lost it. its effectiveness, i.e. it cannot turn from a derivative order into a battle order, conduct offensive actions there on in some direction of the front, because in fact , when it is approaching, it can already be hit uh 5 km to the combat zone, before it has turned into battle formation, it can be hit by an fpv drone and the tank will stop in be destroyed, the same with an armored car. by the way, we have a video of a russian tank with a reb dome system on it, now we will ask our directors to find this video, you see, this russian tank is moving with a reb dome system on it, they explain, that it is effective there protects against this, it manages to counter

ukrainian fpvidrons there, but after this video, there will be a video about... your development , where the minister of digital transformation talked about the fact that your company made an effective sample, and i have, well, first of all a follow- up question, are we now going the same way with the enemies, are there any solutions, by the way, this video is about yours, about your development, where it basically blocks the fp drone attack on the tank, right, as i understand it, yes, are we going now the same technological? ways and whether we are now equally resting on there are some technological limitations, if you compare those russian samples of the wave cutter type and your development, well , the one you saw on the tank is not a wave cutter, and the effectiveness of the antennas that are there is probably for one time, because just start the tank and

fire and then drive along that road... to turn back, there were already comments from the same tankers, who then spoke about the fact that a pair of antennas fell off after the first trip, after the first shot, after the first trip, yes, because such antennas in in this case, not very effective on the tank, well, the vibrations are very large, that is, there are many other points to be considered in connection with the fact that the tank is... even started, there is quite a large vibration, and for radio-electronic equipment, it is not such a simple story, for one plot it is possible to show that there is a system, but we did not fight it. we went a different way, we started using antennas that do not have these,

well, not these sizes, they are much smaller, much smaller, they are fixed on the body, special antennas are used under the body shock absorbers for radio electronics equipment, so the vibrations are not so serious, and we have developed a system that we can add blocks, that is, we can reserve the control of additional channels, that is, if there are any additional channels for drones, then we can always add and the control system that is installed right away, it involves adding there to six to eight blocks, that is, six to eight blocks are 6-8 ranges where they can appear potentially. segments of the work of the enemy, enemy drones, and then i would like to find out this module, which is applied to our armored vehicles, it was said that it does not require the participation of the operator, that is

, the tank actually starts up, the mechanic, the driver or the tank commander turns it on, presses the button and it works, and relatively speaking, the 600 m dome covers this armored vehicle and fpv drones can't attack, are there any orders for these fpv drones after they pass the test, or anything else? the process of making these samples for pronotechny has begun, and these orders can be said to be measured in hundreds for the needs of the armed forces? yes, i would said yes, the defense forces, the defense forces, i won't name the units there, but for the defense forces, yes, hundreds, and then the flip side of this story, if the rap is working, isn't this an additional debunking sign for what, relatively speaking, started our tank , the dome appeared, and the enemy uses rtr means... that our tanks are moving, yes, of course, any system that is activated to create an obstacle is visible, but - there is a question of artillery,

and no one has removed this question on the line of battle, and there are fi drones, which, which they can, it is not always possible to get artillery quickly and accurately right into a pronemachine or a machine gun. well, 95% of the time it’s 100% possible to get into an armored car or a tank or another means of transport that carries ammunition there or evacuates the wounded, so here it is necessary, here you always have to choose, of course, if a person uses an anti-drone gun there, we conduct training, we we always warn you how to behave properly in order to save your life. well, in any case , the tactics of actions when using rap means must be developed again

to be used by divisions, and i would like to take a short break now, we will go to an advertising and informational break, after that we will continue our conversation with yuriy momot, the deputy head of the pirania tech company. i 'm here temporarily, i'll be back home soon, live now where you are. we continue our war and weapons program, we are talking about developments in the field of reb, which are implemented by the ukrainian company piranytech, and my interlocutor is yuriy momot, deputy

general director of the piranytech company. mr. yuri, i would like to continue the conversation about the fight against drones, and does this mean that if now these fpv drones that attack our armored vehicles receive the function of such machine vision, that is, they will be able to target the final area. these attacks due to the fact that they capture the target, doesn't this create a threat to the fact that the actual dome reb under such conditions will also be limited in its capabilities, well then it will be necessary to work on increasing the range and having a system , which will inform that the infrared camera is aimed at the tank, and he and the operator or... the machine must see that it works, and then it will be necessary to understand how to shoot down, the situation in such a way that...

does not hit the fpbucket, well if, well not theoretically, as of today there are our partners who in lviv have developed a system that detects that you have been targeted either with a scope or a camera with infrared radiation, and it informs you that it sees and informs you that you are being seen, targeted, and so on. .. now we need to think about how to ensure or create an obstacle somehow to prevent the camera from working. and when we talk about reba, here on your samples, i saw a video of the tests, when you tried to put a suppression system on a quadcopter and lift it into the air, this direction is developing, is there any prospect in this, what is at the current stage? yes, there is a prospect, there are

currently e. partners who have developed the aircraft and they want to install there specially, well, certain channels for suppression and work from the air, that is, we are currently making a block for them, and now we are looking for an antenna for for them to do the first tests, and you had at one time a concept called closed sky, which involved, i think, the integration of different detection means, maybe a means. in the suppression of drones or unmanned aerial vehicles, was this concept proposed to certain communities, certain cities in order to take up arms, in order to protect the space above their city, of course we already have certain protocols of intentions in lviv as well, andriy ivanovych met, he became interested in this system, precisely those pls who

we... today we are preparing, there is a software complex for them, it is being prepared, there will be detection systems for detection that are still passive, er, that is, there will be a combination of fire impression and suppression, and it will all work together from one command post, that is, lviv , among other things, is interested in having such a comprehensive defense system, and it will include all your developments, in addition to means of fire impression, we also select fire impression, because there will also be... a firing module that will be used on car, and he, too of ukrainian production, it has already been tested and is in service with the armed forces. and when we further increase the scale of perception of reb means, we talked there about rifles, about pit reb, about dome reb, well, recently there was information about the cover system, that is, the system that provides cover for the entire

country. due to the fact that global positioning signals are suppressed in unmanned systems, cruise missiles, attack drones of the enemy, can we say that this approach is optimal for in order to reduce the effectiveness of the enemy's attack forces, of course, he, let's say that at the moment, in today's situation , he is... uh, optimal, but it is necessary to understand that there will be some changes again, that is, in today's world, when a situation changes so quickly and to say that it is optimal today and it will be for a long time, no, today you need to understand that there will be some changes and you need to think, and if something will be different, then it is precisely in this direction that you

also need to think about what can be ... to be more options that the enemy can use in order to go a little ahead in development, that is, in fact, we can say that the combination of various means of reptics into a single system, it just provides density on the one hand, and on the other hand it must be flexible and responsive to those changes that will take place in the decisions that the enemy will try to implement, so what about when we talk about russian means of struggle. and with air targets in the rebot system, there were literally last week reports that the enemy is trying to influence the in poland or in the kinegrad region, there are systems that suppress the russian reb in poland, in the nato countries, does this mean that this training of the enemy is also sufficiently effective and it is necessary to use some means of countering the russian reb, or can there be such... .