inside the country, he saw that it works, he saw that it is possible to negotiate, but he only the threats of losing some contact with brussels also affect him, well, for example, the termination of the right to vote in hungary is currently on the table, there is such a solution, there may be such a solution , and, for example, brussels said that if hungary continues to block, they will bypass this and allocate the package only on a bilateral basis in tranches, that is, in in principle, he already got everyone there, of course, because it is difficult to plan what will happen next in an eu country, a nato country, but it is difficult to say, but i think that this is his strategy, he is waiting for a change of power in the usa, donald trump calls him the best politician in europe, and even one in the world, well, he likes it, so i would really like the prime minister of slovakia, fitz didn't follow his path, i was in the meetings where i was, where there were negotiations for... to the credit of prime minister fitz,

he honestly did not make an impression on me, that's how we now evaluate him by statement, i really hope that the very circumstances in slovakia and the slovak people, and their support has always been there, it will be unchanged, although the trends there after the work of the russians in slovakia can seriously change, that is why the prime minister of slovakia often reacts very strongly to... there is a pro-russian mood in the eastern part of the country, that is, his electorate in the eastern part, so let's take it easy on that stand, but we will have to regulate any statements that come from such a level of persons, if it is but, but, obviously, mr. valery, and the future of nato will also depend on orban, since turkish president erdogan signed the decision of the parliament about ratification of the protocol on sweden's accession to

the north atlantic alliance, i understand that there is still hungary missing, am i correct? hungary, which stated , as far as i don't remember who exactly, but it was an official statement, hungary will not be the last, that if turkey does this, then hungary just automatically lied, well, i understand that the hungarian government lied, that is, after they invited sweden to... go to negotiations, to which the swedish side absolutely, well, absolutely, well, with real reasons said, we have nothing to do with you to say, you did not set any conditions regarding sweden, regarding finland yes, there was , regarding sweden no, well, that is, they played into it, and therefore just forgive them, now they will send in this particular one and sweden will be a member of nato, and whatever i did, one country, i assure you, is just like one country. such as france,

germany, whether there is the usa or great britain, can block there, and our nato membership was blocked by two countries at one time, one country will not block the process, i am sure of that, so sweden will receive a precise decision and it will be in nato this year. another important issue, mr. valery, is the participation of north korea in russia's war against ukraine, the experts of the defense express agency write that... during the last strike, a massive strike by russia on the territory of ukraine and, in particular, on kyiv last tuesday, missiles were used by north korea. the government of the united states of america is worried about the fact that kimchanin may carry out some deadly action against south korea in the coming months, the new york times writes about this. that is, everyone states the fact that together with

north korea is trying to use all its accumulated potential, military potential, either in a war against ukraine, or in a war against south korea, maybe against japan, they will be able to use this potential, and maybe against the united states of america, well, it could all be, so that they have various types of weapons, they are an exile country, that is, they are under sanctions, but... the fact remains, north korea has been and remains the most a militarized country, but we don't see any reactions or actions regarding north korea now, why? well, actually, we are just focused on the issues of the russian war against ukraine and the middle east, there are steps, even last year additional ones were signed. the us agreement with south korea on

additional actions and placement of american, let 's say, response capabilities on the territory. korea, that is, no, south korea is preparing for a possible confrontation, actually, and i'll tell you this thing, in my opinion, just this whole situation has shown that war on land for such countries as russia, north korea, it just has its, well , attractive sides, yes, because in conditions when you don't stretch, you don't stretch there. technologically, you can simply transfer the war to the war of the last century or, well, the war of the third, even a generation, as we can see, even this one, or even the fourth, so in my opinion, well, now i assess it that way, while everyone is talking about a possible attack

there on taiwan, then it is more realistic to have a serious collision between just two countries, and here... here, in fact, it may really be serious, it is a very serious situation to develop, therefore, in principle, i think that north korea also has certain allocation limits, yes , it, according to the testimony of the americans, it allocated its huge reserves, not for nothing, in exchange for what russia provides them technology, provides more high-tech capabilities, and it is dangerous. today , it is obvious that north korea, the leadership there, everything is based on an exclusively militaristic concept, that is, and they will not refuse this, as a measure of strengthening the rhetoric, the power of the north korean dictator

is increasing, that is why they will now also make statements more belligerently, i will tell you more, not so long ago he refused to , well, formally, they do not have peace, but such a truce, and demonstratively demolished, i do not know whether in his presence, i don't watch the news there every day, but the fact that there was such a monument there, perhaps to the unification of korea, they demolished demonstratively, made changes that now for them the inhabitants of south korea are not compatriots like them ... earlier it was just deoccupying and annexing, these are enemies, that is, it is clearly an increase in hostile rhetoric, and it could lead to a real confrontation. regarding the missiles on our territory, south korea, north korea is using it now as a training ground to prepare for

the development of these weapons right there in their theater of operations. they are preparing for war. well, there was information this week that putin might go to north korea. but piskov said that it would not happen before the elections, and, but the united states of america reacted, said that it was very bad, and they are worried about the joint work of russia and north korea. mr. valery, thank you for the conversation and i wish you good health, thank you for being with us for an hour, this was valery chaly, diplomat, politician, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19. we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, do not be stingy, please like this video, let the conversation with valery chaly be seen by as many as possible viewers on youtube and facebook, and take

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zahid program, we will analyze the most important events of this week, there are quite a lot of them, and all of them will have an extremely serious continuation in the near future. our guests today are roman bezsmertny and myroslav cheh. now roman bezsmertny, an iconic ukrainian politician and diplomat, will work on the air of the tv channel. glory to ukraine, mr. ambassador, i congratulate you. glory to the heroes, good day, mr. antin. the fall of il-76. in the belgorod region, so the story is extremely difficult, history, i would say so, is even multi -echeloned, but in any case, as now the russians will try to use it for their own purposes. it is clear and obvious that this story, it has not been played out to the end, and its content, ah, the original is that several factors are combined here, which will not give the russians the opportunity to leave this matter, as it were, out of informational attention. the first and

very significant one is the international component. and they correctly noticed that this plane was flying on a very interesting route, egypt, syria, russia. and those informational leaks, fragmentary, which were, they give grounds for talking about enough. things in this regard, especially since it is necessary to remember what was happening in egypt and syria at that time. the second thing is that this is actually a group of negotiators that did not get on the plane, this fact is also very important, and it indicates that russia has huge problems in the communications system, and in the system of providing these communications, i am not saying that in the system without... security, the third thing is the exchange of prisoners of war itself, this is another very

important factor, and moscow, led by fuehrer any way to collapse this situation, and blame ukraine for it. and the fourth thing, which is very important, is that today there is no more important fact, more important fragment. in russia's war against ukraine than information and psychological attacks. all the more so, such a fact will lead russia to accuse ukraine of the biggest, most oppressive sins. i ask everyone who is interested in this fragment to find the material, it is a video and text material about the briefing in the white house, literally in... an hour after this information appeared, and to listen to a journalist's question to john kirby, who

was giving a briefing at the time, how he hinted that ukraine, you see, violates some humanitarian the basics of waging war, took such steps, and what can you say from this , that is, it is obviously clear that for russia, for führer moskovsky, any fact during this war will be used as a certain kind of informational attack, and in this regard, it is necessary appeal to ukrainian journalists, those who takes care of this field, those who write, because i just promoted for the sake of professional interest , but what did i write, who got in there, who is a piece of shit, i just want to tell all these people, understand that the ukrainian army, it adheres to international norms. .. right, i have said this more than once, every soldier is instructed in this regard, and an officer,

any officer who makes a decision in such a case, cannot give the command to fire unless he is convinced that the attack is about for a military or military purpose, that's all is studied very carefully at the relevant instructional conversations in the armed forces of ukraine from... so to imagine initially that the command to shoot at a non-military object was given is inadmissible, and this is in principle, and forgive me just in case, i will say, if such a thing happens, god forbid , then this is a thing that is not a system, it is a kind of violation that happened as a result of certain negligent actions or oversight, which, according to... ukrainian legislation, will carry a criminal penalty. i say once again, i don't want to name,

but the number of those who are now in imprisonment of ukrainian military personnel for violations of international humanitarian law, it sometimes even amazes those who monitor these issues from the point of view of the un. therefore , there should be a principled position here: if the following ... fact happened to you in the information circle, immediately reject it at the start, because it is what can be called in popular literature as an excess, and not a system command that is given from ... of the armed forces of ukraine. we immediately understand that the kremlin is starting to signal, or maybe call through some of its closed channels, saying so they can use american weapons in ukraine, and we understand that this is also a rather difficult, drastic issue for the americans. the americans, as far as i understand, set some kind of unspoken parameter, yes,

the reconquest of our territories, the return of our lands, but for now the question is. regarding the use of long-range systems, for example, on the territory of russia, well, somehow it has not yet been regulated , the americans have not yet matured, i did not accidentally say about the plot at the briefing in the white house, but the confirmation, including your words, is the recent message of chancellor scholz of germany that, yes, we are considering the supply of long-range taurus missiles to ukraine, but we are considering... that the ukrainian side can, you see, hit moscow with them. so i want to emphasize a small nuance here: there was no such direct speech anywhere, but nevertheless , this message itself, the one that is enclosed in quotation marks as direct speech, it was attributed to the events with il-76 and attributed to the contrary in

order to, if attract attention and again. the issue of supplying ukraine with missiles medium and long range, if to slow down, and the second quote went for a walk at all funny about what you see, the chancellor does not know about what the uk ministry of defense offered to exchange, in fact, how the situation was real, he said about what we know he left this position further without... any comment, instead, the mass media reported that he did not know anything about this fragment, in the first part, he would have said that they had reservations about the possibility of strikes by the ukrainian armed forces forces on moscow. here is a vivid example of how the kremlin uses

a number of facts in connection with this anchor that pulls the information situation. i understand that security guarantees are currently being provided to us, in particular from the big seven, we understand that we have stronger and stronger ties with great britain, and the security agreement with the united kingdom best demonstrates this, how should we use it, in principle , we are given chances and how to make sure that similar signed memoranda and agreements do not repeat the fate of the so-called budapest memorandum, because there are a lot of correct and correct ones. those formulas, but the question of their concrete implementation is still a very important question, i would even call it the number one question, today from the point of view of international aid and the strengthening of the very things you mentioned, security guarantees, but i cannot help but ask some very important questions for myself, for all of us, this is

an international agreement, and an international agreement that has a very broad... impact on the domestic situation, on the external situation, but how you see, for some reason it is not submitted to the parliament for ratification. meanwhile, the constitution clearly defines that such acts are valid only after the consent to them is given by the parliament, verkhovna rada of ukraine. this, hold now if the information. second, if so, i will remind everyone that the budapest memorandum is also not ratified. forged, but at that time the previous constitution was still in force and it allowed similar things, including such things as the provision of external guarantees by the ministry of finance, the conclusion of mandatory similar sectoral and sectoral agreements and so on, and the agreement on security and defense issues could be called such, well, this is

also a stretch, but this document, on the other hand, it cannot be ratified. from the point of view of the norms of the position of the current constitution, this is the first thing that must be remembered, and therefore here is the wind of the budapest memorandum, it is already at home, and the second thing is the implementation mechanisms, i am still convinced today that the budapest memorandum is a very a serious document, but what is missing, what is not there, and what cannot be in such a dock. as in the document signed by reshi sunak and president zelensky, it is the mechanism of its implementation that i mean, well, the first actually. this is ratification, because then it becomes a law, which means that the organizational structure is adjusted under it in ukraine and , accordingly, great britain, because let me remind you that

an analogue, an analogue of such a security guarantee is an act between the government of the united states of america and taiwan, it is called the law on relations with taiwan, the taiwan relations act, which had... before he voted and congress and the senate, then he was voted in the parliament of taiwan. thus, it is a document for two parties, and i would still recommend that ukrainian specialists who take care of this topic take this document and look at it, how it is designed. next, if you read the signed agreement, it is limited. time and term , in fact, this is a document about two-year guarantees, and also, if you look at international

norms, then if you take away the ratification, if you understand that such an act does not carry with it an organizational system of support, then it can be interpreted simply as an agreement between prime minister reshisunak and the president... there is one more thing that is very important, the issue here is a matter of competence, if you look at this document, it contains components related to of the powers of the ministry of defense, the cabinet of ministers and the president, there are things that today are assigned to the competence of the president, that is, in the field of defense policy, there are concrete numbers that relate to money and objects. these are matters of the ministry of defense, well, in the extreme in the case of the cabinet of ministers and so on, that is, all this suggests that at will, if

guarantees were to be obtained, obviously from the huge volume of these things that were discussed, the key is lost: and this is not a law for both sides, it is very it is important, secondly, the parliaments did not ratify it, from here it must be read absolutely clearly, its financial... security will be under a big question mark, but from the point of view of political rhetoric, this is a colossal step forward, because it is shown that great britain, but here a comma is added, like a country that is not belongs to the european union, keep that in mind, secondly, it is like a country of the anglo-saxon bloc, of course, because it reads like that, and it reads like that, more like a country that belongs to the so-called copenhagen format, which is that , which is placed further in ramstein and so on, it is ready

to provide appropriate assistance, but at the same time there is a drawback here, the essence of which may be that, only during the prime minister's period, comrade sunak, because if it is not a law, it is just the agreement is certain between two persons, then it is maybe... it reads more precisely like this, and i do not rule out that in some time, after the conservatives leave power, it will be said, let the conservatives sign, let them implement such an agreement, because i say again, this is not a law , it must be understood from the point of view of the norms of international, international law, you will tell me that there are even things in international law that talk about oral agreements, yes, oral agreements, but they do not reach. in matters of security, security guarantees, especially since these two words security guarantee, they talk about that this document had to comply with the international

convention on agreements and treaties, which provides for the mandatory implementation of national constitutional norms from the point of view of actual ratification, i am not saying this for the first time, i hope that in the future... and maybe in the case with great britain, at least the ukrainian political leadership will return to this issue and send this document to the parliament for ratification, because i do not know for what reasons, i cannot understand why the lack of ratification was allowed such a document, because from the point of view of the information drive, political tone, it is... a great step, it is a great step, another matter is why they did not reach the actual legal basis of the actions of such a document, because

you understand? when you and i are told that the budapest memorandum has the wrong word or is not translated in the right way, then in relation to this document, they will tell us that it has not been ratified, on the basis of which under its implementation, certain resources will be issued from the budget of one state, another state, and so on further i completely agree with you, this is an extremely important moment, this is a fundamentally important moment, and let's hope that the prime minister of the united kingdom. of great britain and northern ireland richie sunak will also take the necessary steps when it comes to working with the british parliament in particular, but in any case similar signals, they demonstrate that certain parameters of what is called a new security agreement for ukraine or a new security format for ukraine, that it is emerging, what should we expect from those states, countries, blocs that we consider our

allies, but for now... they are our friends, partners and buddies. by itself, the agreement that has already been signed and the agreements that will be signed further. what are they talking about? that the thesis that we cannot work with nato countries, with each individual one, because we have to work only with nato as a whole, is not true. this means that it is very important that today we all realize that the issue of... regional, continental, global security is a question that consists of multiple components. in this system, it is obvious, there can already be bilateral agreements, further, regional agreements, further, continental agreements, global agreements, but they can form a single entity.

actually, this is something that you and i have been talking about more than a year ago, which is evident from that new year's christmas message of the british foreign minister lee truss in her speech to the london city hall, when she spoke about the coming time of labile security system, soft? and in fact, if look at it, these are bilateral agreements, they should be aimed at what? and, to ensure the security of ukraine, to ... to ensure the security of the countries of central europe, to ensure the security of the countries of the european continent, further to ensure the security of the countries of the north atlantic bloc, to ensure the countries of the euro-russian bloc and global security, these are actually the components, these components, they should not create a hedgehog in relation to each other, and it is most

suitable for everything ... to choose, to definitely systematize the rammstein format , and here it is very important to, well, at least somehow in the rammstein format for today, move on to a conversation on this topic, because even the first thing we talked about with you, it looks like: these are some bilateral industry agreements, because it will be read like this from the point of view, actually , now, and what does it have to do with central european security, absolutely none, well, what we are talking about, like a mirage, like an intermarium, there are two seas, three seas and so on, now how will it be relations in the nato system, and if we add to this that europe today is constantly talking about its own security, moreover, the current

exercises that are being conducted... nato. what do they testify to? about the fact that due to the fact that the minimum invited participant is the united states of america, and the united states of america is today 90% of the security implemented by nato. the current exercises show that there are 90% of the chosen model and legend of the countries and states of europe, and literally several destroyers. united of the states of america, which of the almost 90,000 personnel participating in this exercise are present at them, that is, it is already a shot at the model that can be drawn up after the statements of candidate trump that we can withdraw from nato, although this is not the answer and it is obvious that it will not be like that, but it is clear that preparations are being made for this, now one more thing.