graphic artists who are currently in the war, who are also military personnel, these are yaroslav pilunskyi, a cinematographer, and serhiy lysenko, and yuriy gruzinov, and volodymyr yatsenko, a producer, serhiy mikhalchuk, a cinematographer, in general, well, people who, from the very beginning of the war, since 2014, they understood that cinema is important, culture is important, it should be supported, that it is a weapon, they have now come to the conclusion that under such conditions it is necessary to... refuse, but i will present to you another point of view of people , which support state cinema, and recently there was a zino winter film market from the odesa film festival, people from this, let's say, proderzhkino hangout mostly gathered there, well, it's such a big, big event in general, which takes place every winter and in the summer too, cinematographers gather and solve some issues there , which relate to the market, there was indeed a lot of interest, but there was a panel. what's called with

all these different different people who are involved in film and here they were discussing this letter and from my point of view they completely turned it upside down because what they started saying that this letter is wrong and that these people who signed it just don't understand the power of culture, don't understand the power of cinema, well it's really funny because they do, and they didn't say a word about that, about the real reasons the signing and appearance of this letter, about the fact that... cinematographers are against the state cinema, against the current policy of the state cinema, and they believe that there are also several points that they consider to be incorrect, they believe that these points should be recorded, resolved and only then pitching, of course, but already well, much more transparent and correct, but let us now listen to artem kolyubayev, he is a member of the council for the support of cinema, which the court just recently... already illegitimate, and here he

says the following, he even accused his colleagues of spreading and pso russian, we have to fight for the culture of ukraine in the same way, and this is a big separate fight, which should be, as for the letters, well, you know, we are always full of traitors, i am very sorry when the producers who left ukraine and... already on foreign productions and they say that it is not necessary to support ukrainian cinema, it hurts, it is not clear why such a position, it seems to me that it plays into the hands of the enemy, everything we do plays into the hands of the enemy, even all these scandals about shooting ukrainian tv series, ukrainian films, this plays into the hands of the enemy, it is part of the russian pso, i tried to analyze it, and i know that this was also done by professional analytical agencies, all these bot farms that react and... which, in principle, are pushing

the ukrainian society together on the topic of whether whether there is a need for entertainment content during the war, or some other content during the war, everything should go to drones. well, this is the opinion of artem kolyubayev, you see, he also did not say a single word about the real , true essence of this letter, about state cinema, not a word, by the way, here at this panel, in the very first row, marina kudarchuk was just sitting, i asked a question: e- dear speakers, well, almost all the speakers continued to repeat the same thoughts that you can't refuse money, cinema is a weapon, colleagues just don't understand that this is a weapon, i asked them the question about what the judge would do in this, why would they, or did they not finish reading, or did they not understand, and they never gave me an answer to this question, i asked it again, they started talking about something completely different, and that is, well, we can say... that people either

really didn't read the letter, or they didn't understand it, or something was wrong there. i will say one more word about yaroslav piluunskyi, about yuriy gruzinov, well, just so that you understand for sure that the people who signed this letter perfectly understand that cinema is a weapon in 2014 in 2008, these two cameramen were captured while filming the occupation of crimea, when they got out, they edited a film called stronger than weapons, this is one of the first such... films was about the revolution of dignity, about the beginning of the war, and the title came from the phrase , which was told to yaroslav pilunsky by a russian soldier in crimea, he said: your cameras are stronger than weapons, that is, cinema is stronger than weapons, this was outlined by these people back in 2014, and now people who cooperated even with the russians during the war, which were not... understood before forces

culture, the power of cinema and the fact that war is happening in general, they are now teaching people who understood all this perfectly from the very beginning. this is the situation we have, we will talk about it now with the two producers who signed this letter, let me remind you that it was signed by more than 600 people, we will talk with olga bezhmelnytsina, she is a producer, the head of the board of the ukrainian film academy and a member of the european film academy, as well as with yulia sinkevich, co-founder of the ukrainian film academy and again member of the european film academy. girls, good day. good afternoon, we can boast that we have a lot of members and members of the film academy, this proves once again that ukrainian cinema is european cinema, but there are such conversations that we may lose these positions, let's talk with you now, so what do you see, your colleagues are accusing

you of spreading treason and what do you need to do this and pick up some russian ipso, well, i'm being so ironic, well, i 'll admit right away that i'm just, well, i don't you can take some sides, of course, but since i came back from this movie market, i saw that your opponents are really, well , manipulating this letter, so i'm a little bit not unpleasantly surprised after this event, but let's explain why you think and your colleagues think that this pitching should be canceled, money should be given to drones or not to drones, to any needs of the defense force, and not to movies, why ... you now have the impression that this pitching will be ineffective there, dishonest, what will be wrong with him, yulia, let's start with you, yes, thank you elena, i believe that in fact, and i really stand on the position that film financing, especially now, when such a big full-scale

war is going on, is directly the duty of the state, however, we see that this is a competition, there are rules, these rules, no... are clear, these rules are not transparent, the council for the support of cinematography commission has already been recognized as illegitimate in a court of law, that is, we understand that this competition itself, it will not be held honestly, it will not be held transparently, it will not be held understandable, and moreover, his the results will also be very dubious from the point of view, both in terms of content and from the point of view of its legal status, in addition, in general, when this money is included in the country's budget, then it is included for film production, as well as documenting war crimes, it's like mine the opinion is also the manipulation of concepts, because derzhkino has no competences, no tools, and no authority

to document war crimes in general, these are completely different concepts that cannot go together with film production, and indeed this letter is... to some extent already such a step enough a serious one, which, unfortunately, not all filmmakers can afford to venture into in such difficult times for ukrainian cinema, but it is really a choice that we wanted this money to really serve for the defense of our country, rather than being distributed as it was recently money was distributed there for tv series, we know this scandalous true story, which was worth... in general, the position of the ex-minister of culture, and actually, it is such a very difficult choice for the filmmakers, who were forced to make it due to the fact that it is completely discredited the institution of state cinema, the absolutely discredited composition of the council for the support

of cinematography, i.e. trust, because the result will really serve for the development of cinematography in the progressive part, and it seems to me that precisely the progressive time... did not sign this letter, our film community simply does not exist. now we are showing you on the screen, our dear viewers, excerpts from the films of those people who subscribed to it, or directors or producers. hello, the same question, only i will clarify, it is just possible on the other hand they say, well, people, in particular, who together with you and they say that this pitching will be held anyway, we will not cancel it in any way, because we wanted to say the little people. well, this pitching, but maybe not, we now see that no, we are not, we are not small, maybe they will cancel it, the authorities there are not far away, they do not always listen to any protests or letters, but they really say, they will conduct a pitching, they get money, people there is a lot of money, not series, for some films that are similar to

series, for something commercial, well, why not go and try, well, we are making ourselves worse, they say people, why is it still more correct to refuse. lina, first of all, thank you very much for explaining in such detail, in principle, the whole situation, because usually people only see our appeal and no one understands the context. what is happening, that is, there are really a lot of opportunities for manipulation, and i want to answer your question, to focus exclusively on the facts, and this is very important for understanding why we are demanding to redirect this money right now, that is, it is already today is the seventh letter that the film community sends to representatives authorities, the president, the cabinet of ministers and others with their own. claims, with their disagreements, with the work of the state cinema, that is, for the seventh time, the community

consolidates and expresses its distrust of the state cinema, that is, it is already a fact, the second fact , the council for the support of cinema issues was recognized by the first instance of the court as illegitimate, and here it must also be clarified that there is a law that says that she must be re-elected every 2 years, there are some extremely difficult conditions, now everything... there is no reason not to hold this competition, that is, the state security service held a competition for the director of the dovzhenko center during this period, why didn't they can hold a competition and re-elect the council, no one logically understands, that is, i dare, i will kill you, i will simply tell our viewers what the state cinema support council is, it is for the support of cinema, it is actually a body that, well, well, actually , they have the final word, who will be given the money, who will not be given, they set the scores... even after the pitching takes place, there are expert commissions, and then the council inserts the scores, they can, and

we have seen this in practice in the past , that their evaluations can completely change the results of the competition, and now in this board there are, for example, the same artem kolyubaev, whom we listened to, he is a producer and long-time partner-friend of andriy yaermak, and colleagues there from biguus-info did a big investigation about him, you can look and remind yourself, there is also yuriy gorbunov, our favorite, well, it’s me explained to our viewers. simply, what is this advice and why is it important, yes, thank you for the clarification, that is, today this advice has been recognized as illegitimate by the court of first instance, and we are waiting for the appeal to prove it in the second instance as well, and the question that here and to this illegitimate council, to the state cinema, to which there is mistrust, the state decides to allocate a record budget, there is also a question of strategy, that is, a few months ago there was a situation when... derzhkino developed a strategy, they wanted to approve it very much in this way, in a quiet way, so to speak, they

put it forward to approval, without discussing it with the community, and there were no public readings , and this strategy was canceled, because it was really incomplete and it did not take into account the context of the war at all, that is, the plans according to which state cinema is trying to distribute this money this year, to carry out the form that they recorded in this strategy, that is... even this strategy was canceled, and we have a situation today where we have a number of these facts that cause public indignation, distrust, illegitimacy, and the absence of a strategy, and this body today receives a record funding, we all have big questions about how this money will be distributed, under what conditions this pitching will be carried out, and most importantly, we have a total distrust of all of them today, so here it is ... the decision again draw attention to this issue, emphasize what it will cause

further problems, i.e. these are the goals that today, what they want to achieve with this money, i.e. it is to help ukrainian cinema, we see that if there is no reformed state cinema, it will only deepen the crisis, i.e. it will prevent us from creating today films that are even created without state support today, that is , producers are looking for... opportunities, so we are calling for this money to be redirected to more effective directions until the situation with derzhkino is resolved. well, actually, too i will tell you what the people who are against this letter say, but at the winter film market there was a lot of talk and they also talked about this before, that they say, we need to oppose something to russia, look, russia makes various propaganda films, and, for example, the authors of the film buch enough... they say such scandalous things about the fact that we make our own film , because the russians make it, look, they made the film witness, i’m sorry too, we need

to show the world our point of view, i’ll just say that the film witness, it failed with a bang in the russian box office, in belarusian one viewer came there on the first day, there was even news about it, but they stand on the position that the film should be shot, because the russians allocate large budgets for it, and they will always remember the boy's word for that. what are you watching, which series, what influence does it have, and the russians also make films for export, and we should also make them, marina stepansko, just yesterday the director wrote a post about the fact that... cinema as propaganda, it is not very works because it's a long game, yes, because it's a matter of strategy, not tactics, because cinema in principle, it is filmed for a very long time, but now we see that a movie is shot even in six months, it happens that a movie is shot and shown in six months, explain your point of view, how does this mechanics of cinema

as a weapon work in general, or is it correct to say this at all, is it possible to talk about art like that at all, and if we talk about the effects of cinema, then how it should be filmed so that it affects, and how exactly it affects us, both internally and externally. yulia, well, i also share the position that cinema is powerful an instrument of influence on society, on the changes that may occur in this society, it really needs to be financed, i don't like all this, and personally i don't think that we should constantly make some kind of comparison, but that's how it is in russia. in russia they did that, they shot such a film or such a series, but we don’t, so really, they perfectly understand the power of cinema in russia, for a very long time, they have continuously supported the film process and the television process for many years, this is all a fact of course, but as for us, actually, first of all, they often speculate on the concept

of patriotic cinema, because this word is somehow charged with... different , really polar conclusions about it, and you can perceive it in different ways, and the same film butch, also uses it, says that the world should see the truth about what happened in the butch , but cinema as an art, cinema as, which has a really great powerful force, it can't be done in a hurry, it can't be done because it's happening here and now, here and now we can... we can have some documentary footage, documentaries, or stories, or journalistic materials, but cinema in the long term, this is really an influence on years later, that is, it is really a strategic story, and in ukraine, in fact, if we cut off now a part of thinking people,

talented people who are either at the front or do not want to. simply to cooperate with the current management of the state cinema, then such a cinema may simply never arise, but really it can never be created artificially, it should really be a rather deep process of authorial rethinking, finding the right focus, the right form in order for it to be sincere, in order to resonated in people's hearts and really changed understanding, concepts and... narratives and sometimes historical in general, well, some clichés that were established, but in fact offered a completely different point of view, and this is such a process, well, that is, it always starts with rather a minority, an intellectual minority , but as a result has an impact on a wider audience. you and i have 5 minutes left, olya, the same question, well, your films that

you produced in won awards at various international... festivals, tell us how it works, well, the power of cinema on people outside in ukraine, what exactly affects, how, how to do it all, in order to gain this much-desired influence of cinema on foreign audiences, and lino, you are right, it is very important here, and to create films, if we speak and we want to use cinema as a tool for conveying ukrainian narratives, ukrainian messages to... the world audience, so that they have a better understanding of who we are, what we are fighting for, why there is a war, and such films are usually created in partnership, in co-production, as we it's called and it's movies which in principle, and in order to start creating them , we need a really strong expertise

in order to choose which films today, which ones we want to finance, can speak from the audience. at this level, ah, and we come back again to the issue of pitching to identify such films, it should be done openly according to democratic procedures, in many world funds it happens even with the involvement of international experts, that is, ah all this these are the factors that make up this picture, that is, for such films to appear, a number of these facts must take place, that is, there must be funding, but there must also be a serious examination, today in... we have a question specifically about the examination of the state cinema, about whether they can conduct such a fiching, whether they can gather experts, whether it should be transparent, or not, will there be trust in... the results of these selections among our international partners, i.e., if this does not happen, then all these projects, first of all, may be discredited, there are already today several

facts of international media , an expression of no confidence on the part of european colleagues, experts of international funds, to the head of state cinema , that is, what situation can we confront, today ukrainian cinematographers represent themselves, if this is the funding about... which is going on today, well, and it, well, if we spend now this pitching, it can simply discredit ukrainian cinema, and also reduce international support, that is, it is very important, today there are many international programs that help ukrainian cinematographers, if we have local funding, of which there are many questions, but it's going to come up, can shut down those programs as well, so it's important to have a strategy so that we all understand what we are, what we're doing, and that's when yes, you're saying... that the industry is coming apart, and this is a question exclusively, well , from these points of view, we need to find understanding, because we all want the same thing, we want to help ukrainian

filmmakers so that they can speak to the world today, but here are the methods that our colleagues offer and what state cinema, unfortunately, this is impossible for us, because we have a serious distrust of them, of course, thank you, i think that, well, i am in... i am sure that we will continue to monitor this situation on espresso, how our authorities will react to this letter . and they are the signatories of the letter from the filmmakers to the chairman of the verkhovna rada, to the president, to the government, with a request to redirect the money allocated for pitching derzhkino, this is a record amount to the defense forces, girls. i thank you our viewers, i will remind you two more points that and there are also talks, i think that this may be the next stage of some kind of confrontation or some actions, our

film community is also thinking whether it is necessary to turn to our friends abroad, for example, there agnieszka holland, a polish director, can act in a very delicate way , but with a hint that maybe the head of state cinema should be re-elected or something, right? because our government really listens to the opinions of some people who are quite influential in the international sense, and let me also remind you that the head the state cinema was criticized by tina lok, she is the head of the stoyansk festival of dark nights, she said that she will categorically not cooperate with the head of the ukrainian state cinema, unlike ukrainian cinematographers, they are always happy, and i will say about maryna kudarcha herself that there are rumors that she and she herself wants to be freed, but there is no one to replace her. there is not enough of such a candidate for the authorities now, who would be obedient enough, except for her, and other rumors converge in the fact that they already

wanted to fire her twice, and maybe because she refused to meet, for example , with parliamentarians, saying that she is a little busy, these are the rumors, but in any case, we see that marina kudarchuk, despite the strong criticism of her for several years, still remains in her . in the chair, let me remind you, she refuses to talk to the press, for example, just a few days ago she was also waiting for journalists, well, we will monitor the situation and further, at this i say goodbye to you, stay with espress. bleeding and inflammation of the gums. my advice, lacal active. lakal actively overcomes bleeding gums, protects against periodontitis and visibly tightens the gums. lakal aktiv - an action that you feel immediately. novelty. lacquer active++ with two-phase

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