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welcome to the espresso channel. today, in our military program, we will talk about new technologies that are being developed and used in ukraine to protect our soldiers, the front line and significant areas of the entire state. it is about electronic warfare systems, which ukraine now has to develop in an afterburner mode. this is what i would call such digital gunpowder, if you define the meaning of this potential in context. these are commander valery

sluzhnogo in the economy called modern positional war and how to win in it, so radio electronic warfare systems are defined there as one of the five priorities that should contribute to the exit from positional war. so, what exactly is so cool and new being done in ukraine, how reb can nullify the mass threat from enemy fpvs, drones and other means of impression. how reb can fight cruise missiles, but it is equally important to know that reb's means are not superweapons, they have their side effects and limitations. about all this we will talk in this issue of our war and weapons program. my name is serhiy zgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, and my interlocutor will be yuriy momot, the deputy general director of the piranyateh company. and not for the first time.

in the format of such a detailed conversation, mr. yuriy , welcome to the espresso channel, good afternoon, i will start the conversation with the fact that your company, a well-known company, it produces various anti-drone systems, starting with anti-drone guns, dome reb, but i wanted to start with what you told me before our conversation about the fact that now your company has made another new development, which apparently does not formally relate to reb means, but contributes to ... it would be possible to effectively fight against enemy means of attack, which development it is said, what details can be told now? well, in this case we are talking about detection systems, detection systems are divided into active and passive, in this case we work in two directions and have already developed technical documentation, both for active and passive radar stations, but in first of all, we are now... the process

of forming the purchase of the necessary parts and spare parts for passive and active radar locations is underway. stations due to the fact that there will be a greater need for them, why? because it will be necessary to talk about the creation of a low-altitude radar field on the territory of ukraine, so that it is such that neither the topography of the area nor the riverbeds will interfere with seeing unmanned aerial vehicles that are moving on the territory of ukraine and... trying to destroy our infrastructure objects are not in the combat zone, that is, in fact , it is about the fact that you have created a new radar that will ensure the detection of cruise missiles, there are shaheds at low altitudes, and this rs will be inexpensive, it can be scaled and

sufficiently effective, and what expected radars, expected technical characteristics, then the combination of these two passive and active radars, there will be two active radars in the system. stations, that is, one station is one that detects, that is, it is constantly surveying, so -called, the detection range is somewhere up to 100 km, in depending on which target is moving , that is, the smaller the target, the shorter the detection distance will usually be, 100 km for low-altitude targets, yes, at the expense of what, at the expense of, envelopes at the expense of the antenna, at the expense of specially. the software that will be used, that is, this radar station will work with low power, it will be quite difficult to detect, but at the same time it will see up to 100 km, how high should

this antenna be raised for it to see me, up to 3 m, yes, that is, look, the question stands in because the low-altitude radar field is just up to 500 m, with what is necessary. they will be installed in those places where our air defense cannot see at these low altitudes, at low altitudes they do not see the whole, that is, it is the terrain, these are the riverbeds, along which they move exactly, well, at the moment, the shaheds are in the majority, using this story , they understand the white spots that are in air defense, and that is why they use this, eh, what is the next stage of these tests? systems of acceptance on provision, on armament, if these characteristics are confirmed, then scaling through the order, right? yes, that is, and the second radar , which should work in this system, is the so-called column radar station, we currently have mobile groups that

use impression systems, with lanterns or with thermal imagers, or there with other means, and by sound, or there... already, when they see it, they try to shoot down an unmanned aerial vehicle of the shachet type, given a given shooting radar, it will be with a fire control module, and the data of the weapon that will be used will be jammed there, that is, according to the range of the impression, according to the caliber of this or that firearm, and it will direct and... all the characteristics of this weapon and independently aim at the target, i.e. it sees in an overview, transmits it to the firing squad, and the firing squad then fires, and then the process can be automated, and no longer will a person turn and look, but a radar station will

see and direct the weapon there. and whether it is possible to combine this firing radar with those mobile groups that we are talking about, that is, it will significantly increase their effectiveness. efficiency, and of course, in this case , this whole system will be built so that mobile groups more effectively use ammunition and impression of targets , not without using thermal imagers there, lanterns there, at the same time it will be possible to talk about what to shoot down they will be possible much earlier and at this should be watched so that there are no populated areas under the bottom, over which they are shot down, if right now, conditionally speaking, there is a need for 100 such sets, how long did it take your company for these needs satisfy in view of these technological

processes, well, look, in six months every 50, in fact, we have concentrated on the fact that these... antenna systems should be produced in ukraine, not the equipment should be produced in ukraine, yes, there of course, there will be foreign components, but there will be them. somewhere around 60%, but the main element is antennas and blocks, which are necessary to send signals and work with microwave channels, they will be manufactured in ukraine, that is, in fact, you are ready to take for such order, if it arrives in the near future, you have no doubts about the technical capabilities of these complexes, tests will confirm them, yes. well then i would like to move further then closer to reb then because

reb tools have been such a profile line of activity of your company for many years, in fact, because you have been doing these various tools even before the large-scale invasion, and i would like then to start, here's what has changed in this last year on this digital battlefield in terms of tools, in terms of quantity, quality, what has changed for us, what has changed for the enemy, what is the general picture now? the general picture is as follows , that today there is an active development of the so-called tactical rap, this rap, which is actually used at ranges of up to 5 km, these are anti-drone guns, and dome-type systems, and the so-called. rep systems that create a wide field so that they

work at a shorter distance, but with a wider antenna opening angle to cover a larger area, so here goes the direction in the direction of development in this, and of course there are also systems that work for 20 km, for them of course that's all... it's more difficult and detection systems are needed here and there, that is , today it is necessary to build, in addition to the fact that suppression systems need to develop the direction of passive detection of unmanned aerial vehicles such as fpv drones, drones, lancets that work through communication. you mentioned anti-drone guns, i heard that interest, interest in anti-drone guns is slowly waning. because relatively speaking, the frequencies at which these guns operate

have already changed, the enemy changes these frequencies, and then, relatively speaking, what you bought before is no longer needed, and on the other hand, the gun is a rather bulky device, you have to carry it with you, plus batteries and so on, and it imposes a number of additional obligations on the fighter, who is better off taking, relatively speaking, ammunition for a submachine gun than carrying an anti-drone weapon with him. what does your experience say? yes, of course, and the frequencies change, and precisely, and not only the frequencies, today unmanned aerial vehicles type of fpv drones, or even the same mavics, have changed the other way, they have increased the power on the remotes, and this has led to the fact that the guns, which have less signal power, they become less effective. because if earlier on the control panel of the drone

there was up to 500 mw, today they also use directional antennas and use power there up to 4 w per communication channel, accordingly, the guns really become, which do not have strong power, they really cannot create an effective obstacle at those distances. on which they previously stated to talk about the fact that the frequencies have changed radically, well, probably not quite so, they have expanded, but those channels that were, they are still working today, that is, channel 5.8, which, well, it was used, as well as for video , today it is used for the video signal in fpv drones, it remained, i.e. 5700, 5850, so of course they are trying to expand it there and are expanding it, but today most of them

fly on video at 5750, 5850 at these frequencies, they usually use one and two analogues on video , that is, two channels, by video always use mr. yuri, doesn't this mean that the need for rebu means is slowly shifting from anti-drone guns to dome rebu, which seems to... you can buy one unit, it will close an entire unit, and there is no need, momentarily speaking, run with guns blazing. well, here is the information for yesterday, fpv drones started flying with a frequency of 2.4. dome systems are made in 860-960, how will they affect? well, then it means that both dome systems and anti-drone systems must be flexibly adjusted to the situation takes place on the battlefield, and it is then the requirements for developers that they should anticipate these new challenges? look, the guns in this case, they are not gone, let's say they

are used less, it is necessary, for sure , to change the tactics of use and make ... more powerful guns in order to work on the same mavics that are used on the front line, as fire adjusters, reconnaissance drones, they have a lot of power on the remotes, they have quite serious cameras, and they stand 3-5 km from the combat zone, they can adjust fire, they also need to be supplied with something, but from the point of view of orders for your company, because you also produce dome systems of piranha and anti-drone guns, the request from the point of view of the power structures from buyers, what are they more interested in now, guns or a barrel of rebels more systems, why? because they also want to install on equipment, not just on units in order to close units. the main

question today is that when half buckets appeared. then armored vehicles actually lost their inviolability, and so it has already lost its effectiveness, that is , it cannot turn from the retreating order to the battle order, conduct offensive actions there in some direction of the front, because in fact, even when it approaches, it can already be hit 5 km to the combat zone action, do not open yet. getting into combat formation, it can be hit by an fpv drone and the tank will stop , it can be destroyed, and so can the armed machine, by the way, we have a video of a russian tank with a rep dome system on it, now we will ask our directors to we are this video found, you see, this

russian tank is moving, on which the reb dome system stands, there they explain that it is there... it actively protects against it, it manages to counteract ukrainian fpv drones there, but i will immediately post a video about your development, where the minister of digital transformation talked about the fact that your company has made an effective example, and i have , well, first of all, a question, are we now on the same path with the enemies, are there any solutions, by the way, this is a video about yours, about your development where... it basically blocks a half-bucket attack on a tank is correct , as i understand it, yes, are we now following the same technological paths and are we now equally abutting some technological limitations, if we compare these russian samples of the wave cutter type there and your development? well, the one you saw on the tank is not a wave breaker, and

the effectiveness of the antennas that are there is probably for... one time, because it is just a matter of starting the tank and firing and then driving around that area and turning back, there were already comments by those themselves and the tankers, who then talked about the fact that a pair of antennas fell off after the first trip, after the first shot, after the first trip, yes, because such antennas in this case are not very effective on a tank that vibrates. very large, i.e. there are many other points to be considered in connection with the fact that the tank, it is even started, there is quite a lot of vibration, and for radio-electronic equipment, it is not such a simple story, for one plot of narash there it is necessary to show that you can have a system, but you can't fight with it, and you went another way, went

another way, we started using it antennas that do not have. of these, well, not of these sizes, they are much smaller, much smaller , they are fixed on the housing, special shock absorbers for radio-electronic equipment are used under the housing, so the vibrations are not so serious, and we have developed a system that we can add blocks, that is we can reserve management. additional channels, i.e. if there are any additional drone channels, we can always add the control system, which is installed immediately, it... provides adding there to six to eight blocks , that is, six to eight blocks - this is 6-8 ranges , where segments of the work of the enemy, enemy drones can potentially appear, and then

i would like to know this, this module, which is put on our armored vehicles , it was said that it does not require the participation of operators, that is , in fact, the tank is started, there the mechanic, driver or commander of the tank turns on, presses the button and it works, and relatively speaking, the 600 m dome covers this armored vehicle. and fpv drones cannot attack, are there orders for these fpv drones after they have passed the tests, everything else, is the process of making these samples for pronotechny already started, and these orders can be said to be measured in hundreds for the needs of the armed forces, yes, well i would say yes, defense forces, defense forces, i won't name the units there, but for the defense forces there are hundreds, and then the flip side of this story, if the rap works, isn't it... an additional unmasking sign for the fact that, relatively speaking, our dance started, appeared the dome, and the enemy sees that by rtr means our tanks move, yes, of course, any

system that is activated to create an obstacle, it is visible, but there is the issue of artillery, and this issue was not filmed by anyone on the battle line, but there are fp drones that can ... er, it is not always possible to quickly and accurately hit an anti-tank vehicle or a tank with artillery, but you can always hit a fvidron, well, 95% of the time you can hit an armored vehicle or a tank or another means of transport that carries ammunition there or evacuates the wounded, so here it is necessary, here it is always necessary to choose, of course, if a person uses an anti-drone handgun there. we conduct training, we always warn how to behave correctly in order to save your life. well, in any case,

the tactics of action, when using rep means, must be, again, developed and used by units. and uh, i would like to take a short break now, we will go to the advertising information after a... break, after that we will continue our conversation with yuriy momot, the deputy head of piranya tech company. there are discounts on amicitron - 20% in podorozhnyk, pam and oskad pharmacies. there are discounts on eurofast, 20% in pharmacies plantain, memory and savings. an unusual look at the news. good health, ladies and gentlemen, my name is mykola veresen. sharp presentation of facts and competent opinions. and in america they also say, let's have better roads

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its capabilities. well, then it will be necessary to work on increasing the range and have a system that will inform that the infrared camera is aimed at the tank, and he and the operator or the harrow must see that it is working, and then it will be necessary to understand, how to beat, the situation is like this. in such a way that fvydro would not be hit, well, if, well, no, in theory, to date, our partners are there, who in lviv have developed a system that detects that you have been targeted either with a scope or a camera with infrared radiation , and it informs that she sees, and informs that you

are being seen on you on... somewhere, and now you have to think about how to ensure, or create an obstacle in some way, so that the camera does not work . and, when we talk about reba, here on your samples, i saw a video on tests, when you tried to put a suppression system on a quadcopter and lift it into the air, this direction is developing, is there any prospect of this at the current stage? yes, there is a perspective, there is today. day, the partners who developed the aircraft, and they want to install there specifically, well, certain channels for suppression and work from the air, that is, we are currently making a block for them, and now we are looking for an antenna so that they can conduct the first tests, and you have in due time there was a concept called the closed sky where it was assumed, i think

integration of different means you. perhaps means of suppressing drones or unmanned aerial vehicles , or this concept was proposed to certain communities, certain cities in order to take up arms, in order to protect the space above their city, of course we already have certain protocols of intentions and in lviv andriy ivanovich met, he became interested in this system, just those. pls, which we are currently preparing, there is a software complex for them, it is being prepared, there will be a detection system for them that is still passive, er, that is there will be a combination of fire impression and suppression, and it will all work together from one command post, that is, lviv, among other things, is interested in having such a comprehensive defense system, and it will include all your developments, except for means of fire impression, fire impression we we are also

selecting, because there will also be a firing module that will be used on the machine, and it is also of ukrainian production, it has already passed tests and is in service with the armed forces, and when we will further increase the scope of reception of the means of reb, we talked there about rifles, about pit reb, about dome reb, eh, recently there was information about the cover system, that is , the system that provides cover... of this country due to the fact that signals are suppressed global positioning positioning in free complexes, cruise missiles, attack drones of the enemy, can we say that this approach is optimal in order to reduce the effectiveness of the enemy's attack forces. yes, of course, he, let's say, what...