i think it would be right, well , to discredit these lists, it would be very good if we succeeded, and this is actually, well, a certain journalism should be involved here, because we need to conduct an investigation about those people who appear in these lists, and this should be done not only by state bodies, but also by journalists, in order to find out for real whether these people have been extradited, if from... there was information that one person was, as it were, changed already in these lists, well , this is already a discrediting of these lists, and then we're protecting all the other names on this list in this way, you know, but that's the job of journalists to find relatives, to ask if that's how it happened, and on the other hand, again, there could be two different things with these lists, or it's part of some real lists, and they just threw out the first thing they came across. another

matter, if they were preparing for this case, and these are really lists of those people whom they have already killed, this can also be the case, and then we should also conduct an investigation on this matter, and it is also not only the state, and journalistic work. thank you, olya, there are a lot of questions, and unfortunately, we do not have answers yet. another short topic about how historical lands that are on... the territory or part of the territory of russia, the decree about how the border territories that border our state and the preservation of ukrainian identity should be kept there, was announced on the day of the cathedral zelensky, very briefly, let's see what he said. today, we must take steps not only to strengthen the unity of ukraine and our people, but also to act for... for

the unity of rights and freedoms, the truth about ukrainians, the truth about us and the truth about our history, and for this purpose today i signed a decree on the territories of the russian federation historically inhabited by ukrainians. well , such a decree was signed by zelensky, olga, how do you perceive the desire to outline. here are the historical lands of ukraine, because in russia they are already croaking and shouting that we are encroaching on their territory, although we are talking about our lands. thanks for this question, i just had a newspaper study come out about this recently, so i'm a bit on the subject of this. well, first of all, there were few decrees of president zelensky that made such an impression on...

russians, from the kremlin to ordinary people, they know about this decree, and in this regard, it gives me such, you know, a pleasant feeling, because , because it was not enough, in the end it was necessary to remind that ukraine was not always within these borders, in which it is now, and for many centuries, states... changed, were bigger, were smaller, and to remind that ukraine has also had their own historical territories, this does not in any way indicate that some of our militant, expansionist intentions, yes, which immediately reacted in the kremlin, my god, they will capture bilhorod, kursk and so on, i have a feeling that on the eve of this decree, mr. president...

really communicated with the world congress of ukrainians, so that, firstly, it is mentioned twice in the document, and secondly, well, this is such a mainstream line that the leaders of the world congress are taking. very briefly about this study on the topic of the protection of the ukrainian diaspora in russia and those places that were called green. wedge, gray wedge, yellow wedge, actually all those things that were mentioned in the decree. so, according to the data of the all-russian census of 20-21 years, you see , there are 3 and 34 million ukrainians living in russia. that is, 3% of the population, it is the third largest. people in russia after

russians and tatars, this is a very large community, but what we must remember, all these people are. citizens of the russian federation, they have passports of citizens of the russian federation, so until a certain time they had their own association, the federal national and cultural autonomy of ukrainians in russia, the association of ukrainians in russia, this is the second, second such large organization, all these organizations were suppressed and closed precisely during yanukovych's rule, i think. that it was somehow it corresponded, yes, probably already then, putin and yanukovych talked about this topic, why should we support this ukrainianness on the territory of russia, when in the near future

there will be no state borders between our countries, well , actually, 30 seconds, oli we have is on the air. well , i want to say that the ukrainian diaspora as such does not exist in russia now, that is, we can record it as a historical it is a fact, but to say that there are ukrainians there, ukrainians who, well, feel themselves to be the bearers of the national spirit, individual people, are still there, but it is hardly possible to say... about some massive things. thank you olya. i will also remind our viewers that in 1918 there was a kuban people's republic and it declared independence from russia and joined the ukrainian people's republic on federal terms. well, that's it for reference.

and i want to thank our guests. olga leni, olga musafirova were guests of our program today. during our program, we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether ukraine needs a government for... national unity, so 90%, 91% on television said yes, on youtube 86%, yes, 14 against, these are the results of this survey, this there was a verdict program, it was conducted by serhii rudenko, i will say goodbye to you until monday at 20:00, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye. friends, i congratulate you, good day, probably, good day would be more appropriate, because our topic will not be very fun with you, we have raised it on our broadcasts more than once. we are talking about

the film community, which is increasingly divided, about the ukrainian one, of course, and well , it seems to me that we have now reached a new level of apogee in this regard. because the so-called confrontation is heating up, and we will talk about it, the fact is that a large number of ukrainian cinematographers, there are also film critics and journalists, wrote a letter to the representatives of the authorities, including the president , the chairman of the verkhovna rada, the prime minister of the prime minister of ukraine, that they are refusing, or want to ask to redirect the money, which will be allocated to the cinema for the next, for this year to be exact. by 2024, give all this money to drones, well, in general, to the defense forces. now you and i will find out why people who are directly interested in coming to pitching and winning money in a fair competition, in order to shoot a film and earn money,

in particular, and then travel with this film to various film festivals, represent ukraine, why are they asking the authorities not to let them give this money to the defense forces. so, if... talk about dividing ours film community , well, i want to remind you, friends, that they are divided into two camps, relatively speaking, one is the opposition to the state cinema and to maryna kudarchuk, these people criticize the teacher of the state cinema, say that she is ineffective, unprofessional and that she is generally disgraceful our country is already on the international level and is being destroyed by cinema and that it is no longer possible to live like this, it must be freed and a new one announced. competition, and the other part of film fans who, on the contrary, defend state cinema, defend maryna kudarchuk, and these are mostly people who specialize in commercial cinema, who, maybe before and now they were engaged in television series, then they went to the cinema,

and they are very, very concerned with commercial ukrainian cinema, and often they treat author's documentary cinema with such disdain, they say it doesn't make money, why... it in general , it is necessary, here are these people near the state cinema, they keep, according to my observations, these people are also divided into different such groups, some of them work perfectly. that maryna kodarchuk is not an efficient person, but they compromise because they have to survive somehow, we need to make movies, we need to organize different film festivals there, but the second part absolutely does not understand what the problem is and does not agree with the fact that there is a problem, they say that our cinema is developing wonderfully, look, we have some there and contracts with netflix, and well, in general, everything is fine and no resignation is needed, all this is betrayal, so what? i want to say, now we have seen that this part, which is in the opposition, wrote

this letter, i will say that earlier, some months ago, internal conversations were already going on communities that pitching has been announced , they will announce pitching for 2024, it will be with record funding, it is 589 million and 600, uah, really a lot, and well, go there or not , because some say, of course go. because we have the right, it's not derzhkino's money , it's not maryna kuderchuk 's money, it's taxpayers' money, and we have the right to come to this contest and try our best and try to win it, while others say that it's unprincipled, to them at all it is disgusting to deal with such a person as mrs. marina and all that state cinema, and they think that it is not very important to come there, you have to refuse, and then already in december, somewhere in the middle of december, maryna stepan... director and screenwriter, she wrote a post that began with the words that the budget of the state cinema 2024

should go for drones, she says that this is not an emotional call, but a completely rational, the only logical solution in the given conditions, she talks about the illegitimacy of the processes, about censorship, about ignoring the urgent needs of the filmmakers themselves, and so on, and now we see which is evident in the community somehow talked about it and really decided. that this is a way out, you need to give up this money, because it will still be spent illegitimately, let it be better to buy drones or anything else for the needs of the defense forces, i will say that among the signatories of this letter, it has already been signed, more than 600 people have put their signatures, and there are a lot of cinematographers who are currently at war, who are also military personnel, including yaroslav pilunskyi, a cinematographer, and serhii lysenko. and yuriy gruzinov, and volodymyr yatsenko, producer, serhiy mikhalchuk, cinematographer, in general

, people who from the very beginning of the war, since 2014 understood that cinema is important, culture is important, it should be supported, that it is a weapon, they have now come to the conclusion that for such conditions should be rejected, but i will present to you another point of view of people who support state cinema, and just recently there was zno, a winter film market from the odessa film festival, people gathered there from this, let ’s say, mostly pro-derzhkino party, well, that’s what it is big, big in general an event that takes place every winter and in the summer too, filmmakers gather there and solve some issues that relate to the market, there was really a lot of interesting things, but there was a panel called with various different people who are involved in cinema, and they discussed this letter is mine. point of view they completely turned it upside down because they started

saying that this letter is wrong, that these people who signed it just don't understand the power of culture, they don't understand the power of cinema, well it's really funny because they understand, and they did not say a single word about the real reasons for signing and appearing of this letter, about the fact that the filmmakers are against the state cinema, against the current policy of the state cinema, and they also believe that there are more... points that they believe are wrong, they believe that these points need to be recorded, resolved and only then pitching, of course, but it is already much more transparent and correct, but let us now listen to artem kolyubaev, he is a member of the council for the support of cinema, which the court recently recognized as illegitimate, but here, and he says the following, even accused his colleagues of the fact that they... also spread pso russian, we have to fight for the culture

of ukraine in the same way, and this is a big separate fight that should be, as for the letters, well, you know, in our there are always plenty of treason seekers, it really confuses me when producers who left ukraine and are already working on foreign productions do it, and say that it is not necessary to support ukrainian cinema, it hurts, it is not clear why such a position... , i think it plays into the hands of the enemy, everything we do plays into the hands of the enemy, even all these scandals about shooting ukrainian tv series, ukrainian films, it plays into the hands of the enemy, it is part of the russian pso, i... tried to analyze, and i know , that this was also done by professional analytical agencies, all these bot farms, which i am reacting to, which basically butt heads with ukrainian society on the topic of whether they need entertainment content during the war, whether some other content is needed during the war, or whether everything should go to drones, well, this is the opinion of artem kolyubaev,

you see, he also didn't say a word about the real, real whole of it. and not a word about state cinema, by the way, here on this panel, in the very first row, marina kudarchuk was just sitting, i asked a question to the honorable speakers, well, almost all the speakers then began to repeat the same thoughts that you cannot refuse money, cinema - it's a weapon , my colleagues just don't understand that it's a weapon, i asked them the question about what the states judged in this, why they, or they didn't finish reading, or they didn't understand, and they never gave me an answer to this is a question, i ask him again put, they started talking about something completely different, and that is, well, we can understand that people either really did not read the letter, or they did not understand it, or something was wrong there. i will say one more word about yaroslav piluunskyi, about yuriy gruzinov, just so you can understand for sure that the people who signed this letter

perfectly understand that cinema is a weapon, in 2014 these two cameramen were caught. in captivity, when they were filming the occupation of crimea, when they got out, they edited a movie called stronger than weapons, this is one of the first such of films was about the revolution of dignity, about the beginning of the war, and the name came from a phrase that a russian soldier in the crimea said to yaroslav pilunsky, he said: your cameras are stronger than weapons, that is, cinema is stronger than weapons, it was these people outlined back in 2000. 14, and now people who cooperated even with the russians during the war, who did not understand before the power of culture, the power of cinema and the fact that war is happening in general, they are now teaching people who perfectly understood all this from the very beginning beginning, this is the situation we have, we will talk about it

let's talk now with the two producers who signed this letter, let me remind you, it was signed by more than 600 people, we will talk with olga bezhmelnytsina, she is a producer , head of the board of the ukrainian film academy and a member of the european film academy, as well as yulia sinkevich, co-founder of the ukrainian film academy and again a member of the cinema of the european film academy, girls, good day, good day, we can boast that we have a lot of members and members of the film academy, this once again proves that ukrainian cinema is... peysk cinema, but there are such conversations here that we can lose these positions, let's talk with you now , because you see, you are accused by your colleagues of spreading treason and what do you want to get ahold of this and to pick up some russian ipso, well i'm being so ironic, well, i'll admit right away that i'm just, well, i can't

take sides, of course, but since i 've come back from this movie market, i've seen that your opponents are really... well, manipulating this letter, so i'm a little bit unpleasantly surprised after this event, but come on explain why you think and your colleagues think this pitch should be scrapped, the money should go to drones or no drones, whatever the needs of the defense force, and not to movies, why you now have the impression that this pitch will ineffective, dishonest, what will be wrong with him, yulia, let's start with you. thank you olena, i believe that in fact, and i really stand on the position that film financing, especially now, when such a big full-scale war is going on, is directly the duty of the state, but we see that this is a competition, there rules, these rules are not clear, these

rules are not transparent, the commission council for the support of cinematography has already been recognized in court as illegitimate. that is, we understand that this competition itself, it will not be conducted honestly, it will not be conducted transparently, it will not be conducted clearly, and moreover, its results will also be very questionable from the point of view of both content and legal status, in addition, in general, when this money is included in the country's budget, it is included for film production, as well as documents. military crimes, this, in my opinion, is also a manipulation of concepts, because the state cinema has neither the competences, nor the tools, nor the authority to document war crimes in general. these are completely different concepts that cannot go together with film production, and indeed this letter is to some extent already

a rather serious step, which , unfortunately, not all cinematographers can afford to dare in such difficult times for ukrainian cinema, but eh it really is such a choice that we wanted this money to really serve for... the defense of our country, rather than it was distributed in the way that money was recently distributed there for tv series, we know this scandalous true story, which was worth the position of the ex-minister of culture in general, and actually this is such a very difficult choice for the filmmakers, who were forced to make it due to the fact that a completely discredited institution, state cinema, absolutely discredited composition of the council for the support of cinematography, that is, trust. because the result will really serve for the development of cinematography in the progressive part, and it seems to me that precisely the progressive part signed this letter, our film community

simply does not exist. now we are showing you on the screen , our dear viewers, beauties from the films of those people who subscribed or directors or producers. olya, the same question , only to be more specific, it is just possible that on the other side they say, well, people, in particular, who... together with you say that, well, this pitching will be held anyway, we will not cancel it in any way, well because we are small people, well , no, we are not, we are not small, maybe they will cancel this pitching, but maybe not, we now see that the authorities there do not always listen to any protests or letters, but they really say that pitching will be held, they will receive money, people there have a lot of money planned for tv series, for some films that are similar to tv series, for something commercial. "well, why not go, try, well, we're making it worse for ourselves, people say, why is it better to refuse anyway. lena, first of all, thank you very much

for explaining the whole situation in such detail, in principle, because usually people only see our appeal and no one understands the context of it, what is happening, that is, there are really a lot of opportunities for manipulation, ah-ah. in answering your question, i want to focus solely on the facts, and this is very important for understanding why we are demanding to redirect this money right now, that is , this is already the seventh letter that the film community has sent to representatives of the authorities, the president, the cabinet of ministers and others, and with their claims, with their disagreement with the work of the state cinema, that is, in the seventh, the community consolidates and expresses: distrust of the state cinema, that is, it is already a fact. the second fact - the council for the support of cinema issues was recognized as illegitimate by the first instance of the court, and here it must

also be clarified that there is a law that says that every two years, it must be re-elected, there are no extremely difficult conditions today for not holding this competition, i.e. state cinema during this period held a competition for the director of the dovzhenka center, why can't they. to hold a contest and re-elect the council, no one logically understands, that is, i will give you, i will kill you, i will simply tell our viewers what the council for the support of state cinema is, it is from support for cinema, it is actually a body that, well , well, in fact, they have the final say, who will be given money, who will not be given, they give estimates already after the pitching takes place, there are expert commissions, and then the council inserts estimates, they can, and we've seen it in practice in the past. that their evaluations can completely change the results of the contest, and now in this council there is, for example, the same artem kolyubaev, whom we listened to, he is a producer and long-time partner-friend of andriy

yaermak, and colleagues there from bigus-info were doing about it's a big investigation, you can watch it to remind yourself, yuriy gorbunov, our favorite, is also there, well, i just explained to our viewers what this council is and why it is important, yes, thank you for the clarification, that is, this is the council for today first instance court. on an illegitimate one, and are we waiting for an appeal to prove it in the second instance as well, and the question that the state decides to allocate a record budget to this illegitimate council, to state cinema, which is distrusted, is also a question of strategy, i.e. a few months that is why there was a situation when derzhkino developed a strategy, they wanted to approve it, very quietly, so to speak, they put it forward to... without discussing it with the community, and there were no public readings, this strategy was canceled because it was really incomplete

and did not take into account the context of the war at all. that is, the plans according to which derzhkino is trying to distribute this money this year, to carry out pitching, which they recorded in this strategy, that is, even this strategy was canceled, and today we have a situation where we have there are a number of these facts that cause public indignation, mistrust, illegitimacy, and the lack of strategy, and this body today receives record funding, we all have big questions about how this money will be distributed, under what conditions it will be... held this pitching and, well, the main thing is that we have a total distrust of all of them today, so this is the decision to once again draw attention to this issue, to emphasize that it will cause further problems, that is , these are the goals that today, what they want to achieve with these money, that is, it is to help ukrainian cinematography, we see that if

the state cinema is not reformed, it will only... beat the crisis, that is, it will prevent us from creating films today, which are even created without the support of the state for today, that is, other producers are looking for opportunities, which is why we are calling for this money to be redirected to more effective directions until the situation with the state cinema is resolved, but actually i will also say what the people who are against this letter are saying at the winter film market talked a lot and talked about it before. what do they say, we need to oppose something to russia, look, russia makes various propaganda films, and , for example, the authors of the film butch, quite scandalously talk about the fact that we make their films, because the russians make, look, they made the film witness , i’ll also forget that we need to show the world our point of view, i’ll just say that the film witness, it failed miserably at the russian box office, at the belarusian box office, one viewer came there on the first day, there were even people about it news, but they stand on the position that the movie

should be shot because the russians allocate large budgets for it, they and that's why, for the very word patsina, i constantly mention that watch which series, which one has an influence, and the russians also shoot movies for export and we also have to shoot, marina stepansko, just yesterday the director wrote a post about how cinema is propaganda, it doesn’t work very well because it played for a long time, yes, because it’s a matter of strategy, not tactics, that’s why that the movie is shot in principle for a very long time. but we now we see that a movie is shot even in six months, it happens that a movie is shot and shown in six months, explain your point of view, how does this mechanics of cinema as a weapon work in general, is it even correct to say this, is it possible let's talk about art in general, and if we talk about the effects of cinema, how should it be filmed so that it affects us and how exactly does it affect us internally and externally,

yulia? and well, i also share the position that cinema is a powerful tool for influencing society, for changes that can to be in this society, it really needs to be financed, i don't like all of this, and personally i don't think that we should constantly make some kind of comparison, but in russia, this is how, in russia they did that, they made such a film there or such a series, but we don't, so really, they perfectly understand power. but in russia for a very long time, the film process was continuously supported and the tv process was also supported for many years, this is all a fact of course. as for us, actually, first of all, people often speculate on the concept of patriotic cinema, because this word is somehow loaded with different such polar conclusions about him, and you can perceive it in different ways, and

the same film buchati also uses it , says that the world should see the truth about what happened to buchati, however, cinema as art, cinema as, which has a really great powerful force, it can't be done in a hurry, it can't be done because it's happening here and now, here and now we can have some documentary footage, documentaries or stories or journalistic materials, but... cinema in the long run , it's really an influence for years to come, that is, this is really a strategic story, and in ukraine, in fact, if we cut off now a part of thinking people, talented people who are either at the front or simply do not want to cooperate.