in fact, there are different such polar conclusions about him and it can be perceived in different ways, and the same film buchy also uses it , he says that the world should see the truth about what happened in buchy, however, cinema as art , cinema as, which has really great powerful force, it can't be done in a hurry, it can't be done because it's happening here and now, here and now we can have some docs. documentary footage, documentaries or stories or journalistic materials, but cinema in the long run, it's really an influence on years later, that is, this is really a strategic story, and in ukraine, in fact, if we cut off now a part of thinking people, talented people who are either at the front or simply do not want to cooperate.

with the current management of the state cinema, then such a cinema may simply never arise, but really it can never be created artificially, it should really be a rather deep process of authorial rethinking, finding the right focus, the right form in order for it to be sincere, for that it resonates in people's hearts and changes really understanding, concepts and narratives and... sometimes historical in general, well, some clichés that were established, but actually offered a completely different point of view, and this is such a process, well, that is, it always starts with rather a minority, an intellectual minority, eh, but as a result has an impact on a wider audience. you and i have 5 minutes left, olya, the same question, well, you have films that you have produced and received awards at various international film festivals, tell me. how does it

work, well, this power of cinema on people outside of ukraine, what, what exactly affects, how, how is it all what should we do in order to gain the influence of cinema on foreign audiences, which is so desirable for us? and lina, you are right, it is very important to create films here, if we are talking and we want to use cinema as a tool for conveying ukrainian narratives, ukrainian messages to the world. so that he had a better understanding of who we are, what we are fighting for, why there is a war, and such films are usually created in partnership, in co-production, as we call it, and these are films that, in principle , we need to start creating them indeed, it is quite a weighty examination to select which films today, which we want to finance, can speak to the audience at this level. and we again

return to the question that the pitching process in order to identify such films should be carried out openly according to democratic procedures, in many world funds this is done even with the involvement of international experts, that is , all these are factors that make up this picture, that is, for such films to appear, a number of these facts must take place, that is, it must there should be funding, but there should also be a serious examination, today we have a... the question is precisely about the examination of the state cinema, about whether they can conduct such pitching, whether they can gather experts, whether it can be transparent, whether it will not be, or then there will be confidence in the results of these selections among our international partners, that is, if this does not happen, then all these projects, first of all, may be discredited, there are already today several facts of the international community expressing distrust on the part of european colleagues and experts.

international funds to the head of the state cinema, i.e what situation can we face, today ukrainian cinematographers represent themselves, if this is the funding that is being discussed today, and it, well, if this pitching is carried out now, it can simply discredit ukrainian cinema and also reduce international support, that is, it it is very important, today there are many international programs that help ukrainian filmmakers, if we have local funding, which has many questions, but it will appear, these programs may also be closed, that is why it is important to have a strategy, so that we all understand what we are, what we do, and when you say that the industry is disunited, and this issue is exclusively, well , from these points of view, we need to find understanding, because we all want the same thing, we want to help ukrainian filmmakers so that they can talk to the world today, but these are the methods that our colleagues offer and what... what

the state cinema offers, unfortunately, this is impossible for us, because we have a serious distrust of them, of course, thank you to you, i think that, well, i, i'm sure that we will ... keep an eye on espresso in this situation, how will our authorities react to this letter. let me remind you, we had olga bezhmelnytsyna, a producer, and yulia sinkevich, also a producer, on the air. they are the signatories of a letter from filmmakers to the chairman of the verkhovna rada, to the president, to the government, with a request to redirect the money allocated for the pitching of state cinema, this is a record amount to the defense forces. girls, i thank you. i will remind our viewers of two points that there are also conversations, i think that this may be the next stage of some kind of confrontation or some actions, our the film community is also thinking about whether it is necessary to turn to our friends abroad,

for example, there is agnieszka holland, the polish director can speak very delicately, but with a hint that maybe the head of the state cinema should be re-elected or something, and because... already our government listens precisely to the opinions of some people who are quite influential in the international sense, and i will also remind that the head of the state cinema was criticized by tina lok, she is the head of the stun festival of dark nights, she said that she would categorically not to cooperate with the head of the ukrainian state cinema, unlike ukrainian cinematographers, they are always happy, and i will say about magaryna kudarcha herself that there are rumors that she herself wants to resign, but there is no one to replace her, there is not enough power for... such a candidacy, which would be obedient enough, except for her, well, other rumors agree that they already wanted to fire her twice, maybe because she refused to meet, for example, with parliamentarians, saying that she was a little

busy, these are there are rumors, but in in any case, we see that maryna kudarchuk, despite the strong criticism of her for several years, still remains in her chair, let's remind... she refuses to talk to the press, for example, just a few days ago she was also waiting for journalists. well, we will continue to monitor the situation, and with that i say goodbye to you, stay with espresso. welcome to the espresso channel. today in our military program. we will talk about new technologies that are being developed and used in ukraine to protect ours soldiers, in the front line and significant areas of the entire state, let's talk about radio electronic warfare systems, which ukraine now has to develop in an afterburner mode, this is what

i would call such digital gunpowder, if we determine the meaning of this potential in the context of the article by commander-in-chief valery zaluzhnyi in the economy . under the name of modern oppositional warfare, and how to win in it, radio-electronic warfare systems are defined there as one of the five priorities that should contribute to the exit from positional warfare. so, what exactly is so cool and new being done in to ukraine, how rebo can nullify the mass threat from enemy fpv drones and other means of impression, how rebo can fight cruise missiles, but... it is equally important to know that rep means are not superweapons, they have their side effects effects and limitations. we will talk about all this in this issue of our "war and weapons" program. my name is serhii zgurets, i am the director of the information consulting company defense express. and

my interlocutor will be yuriy momot, he is the deputy general director of the company piranya teh, and whether it is the first time in the format of such a detailed conversation. mr. yuri, welcome to the espresso channel. good day. let me start the conversation with the fact that your company, a well-known company , they make various anti -drone systems, starting with anti-drone guns, dome reb, but i wanted to start with what you told me before our conversation about what your company has done now another new development, which apparently does not formally apply to reb's means, but contributes to the fact that it is possible to effectively fight against enemy means attack what development is it about, what details can be told now? well, in this case we are talking about detection systems, detection systems are divided into active and passive, in this case we are working in two directions and have already developed technical documentation for

both active and passive radar stations, but first of all we are currently in the process formation of the law. purchase of those necessary parts and spare parts for active radar stations in connection with what will appear on them. greater necessity, why? because it will be necessary to talk about the creation of a low-altitude radar field over the territory of ukraine, so that it is such that neither the topography of the area nor the riverbeds will prevent us from seeing unmanned aerial vehicles that move over the territory of ukraine and try to destroy our infrastructure facilities not in the combat zone. actions, that is, in fact, it means that you have created a new radar that will ensure the detection

of cruise missiles, there are shaheds at low altitudes, and this radar will be inexpensive, it can be scaled and sufficiently effective, and what are the expected two radars, the expected technical characteristics, then the combination of these two passive and active radars, there will be two stations in the system of active radars, that means one station is the one that in... detects, that is, it constantly monitors the so-called range detection somewhere up to 100 km, depending on which target is moving, that is, the smaller the target, the shorter the detection distance will usually be, 100 km for low-altitude targets, because of what, due to bending due to the antenna, due to special software provision that will used, that is... that is, this radar station will work with low power,

it will be quite difficult to detect it, but at the same time it will see up to 100 km, how high should this antenna be raised so that it can see up to 3 m to 3 m , yes, that is, look, the question is that the low-altitude radar field is just up to 500 m, despite the fact that it will be necessary to install them in those places where our anti-aircraft missile system is located. does not see at these low altitudes at low altitudes does not see targets, that is, it is the terrain, it is the riverbeds along which they move exactly, well, at the moment, the shaheds in the majority, using this story, understand the white spots that are in air defense, and that is why they use it, which is now the next stage, there will be tests of this system, adoption for support, for service, if it's... specifications are confirmed, then scaling via ordering, right? yes, that is, and the second radar, which

should work in this system, is the so-called shooting radar station. we currently have mobile groups that are impression systems with lights, or with thermal imagers, or there with other means, and by sound, or already there , when they see it, they try to shoot it down... an unmanned aerial vehicle of the shachet type, this and that radar gun, it will be with a fire control module, and so on data will be entered for the weapon that will be used, i.e. by the range of the impression, by the caliber of this or that firearm, and it will guide and take into account all the characteristics of this weapon and independently guide... to the target, i.e. the sight sees, transmits it to shooting, and shooting further

fires, and then it is possible to automate the process, and no longer a person will turn and look, but the radar station will see and direct the weapon there, and can this rls firing unit be combined with those mobile groups that we are talking about, that is, it will increase their efficiency, will increase efficiency, and of course that... in this case, this whole system will be built so that mobile groups can more effectively use ammunition and impression of targets, not without using thermal imagers there, lanterns there, at the same time, you can will talk about the fact that it will be possible to shoot them down much earlier, and at the same time make sure that there are no populated areas under the bottom for... they are shot down, if we say conventionally now, there is a need for 100 such sets,

how long did it take your companies to meet these needs in view of these technological processes? well, look, in six months , what two should be produced, what 50, in fact , to date, we have concentrated on the fact that these antenna systems should be produced in ukraine, not... the equipment should be produced in in ukraine, yes, of course there will be foreign components, but they will be somewhere around 60%, but the main element... these are antennas and blocks, which are necessary to send signals and work with microwave channels, they will be manufactured in ukraine , that is, in fact , you are ready in principle to take on such an order if it arrives in the near future,

you have no doubts about the technical capabilities of these complexes, the tests will confirm them, well, then i would like to move on. already closer then to reb, because reb's means are such, well, a profile direction your company has been around for many years , actually, because you've been doing these different tools even before the large-scale invasion, and i'd like to start then, what has changed in this last year in this digital battlefield in terms of reb tools, in terms of the number , qualities, what has changed for us, what has changed for the enemy, what is the general picture now? the big picture? it follows that today there is an active development of the so-called tactical rap, this rap, which is actually used at ranges of up to 5 km, this and anti-drone guns, and e-e systems of the e-e dome type and - so-called e-rep systems that

e-e create... a wide field in order to, they work at a shorter distance, but with a wider antenna opening angle for to cover a larger area, that's why there is a direction in the direction of development in this, and of course, there are also systems that work for 20 km, for them , of course, it's more difficult, and for them , systems are needed both there and there. detection, that is, today it is necessary to build, in addition to the fact that suppression systems, it is necessary to develop the direction of passive detection of unmanned aerial vehicles such as fpv drones, drones, lancets, which work through communication. you mentioned the anti-drone guns, i heard that the interest, the interest in the anti-tron

guns is slowly declining, because relatively speaking, the frequencies on... they work or the guns have already changed, the enemy changes these frequencies and then, relatively speaking, what bought earlier , now it is no longer necessary, and on the other hand, the gun is a fairly large device, you have to carry it with you, plus batteries, etc., and it imposes a number of additional obligations to a fighter who is better off taking, relatively speaking, ammunition for a submachine gun than carrying an anti-drone gun with him, as your experience says, of course. and the frequencies change, and precisely and not only the frequencies, today unmanned aerial vehicles of the type of fpv drones, or even the same mavics have changed in the other direction, they have increased the power on the remote controls, and this has led to the fact that guns, which have lower signal strength, they

become less effective, because if before uh... on the drone control panel it was up to 500 mw, then today they use directional antennas and use power there up to 4 w per communication channel, accordingly, guns really become that have weak power, they really cannot create effective interference at the distances at which they claimed earlier, talk about what the cardinal. the frequencies changed, well, probably not exactly, they expanded, but those channels that were, they are still working today, that is, channel 5.8, which, well, it was used, as well as for video, today it is used for video signal in fpv drones, it remained,

i.e. 5700, 5850, yes, of course they are trying to expand it there and are expanding it. but most of them currently fly on video at 5750, 5850 at these frequencies, they usually use one and two analog video channels, that is, they always use two video channels. mr. yuri , doesn't this mean that the need for reb means is slowly shifting from anti-drone guns to dome reb, which can apparently be bought one block, will close an entire unit and there is no need to run with guns, well, here is the information for yesterday, fpv drones started flying with a frequency of 2.4, dome systems are made 860-960. how will they affect? well, then it means that both bathing systems and anti-drone units must be flexibly rebuilt to the situation that develops

on the battlefield, and this is then the requirements for developers that they must anticipate these new challenges, guns in this case they did not go, so to speak, that their less used, it is necessary to probably change the tactics of use and make more powerful guns in order to work. according to those the mavics themselves, which are used on the front line as fire adjusters , reconnaissance, drones, they have a lot of power on the remotes, they have quite serious cameras, and they stand 3-5 km from the combat zone, they can adjust fire, they are also needed for something to deliver, but from the point of view of the order for your company, because you also produce dome systems of piranha and anti-drone. guns, a request from the point of view of power structures from buyers, what are they now more interested in guns or bath dome systems uh more, why, because they want

to install, in addition to all that, on the equipment, not just on the units in order to close the units, the main issue today is that when the half-breeds appeared, the armored vehicles actually lost. its inviolability, and it has already lost its effectiveness, that is, it cannot turn from the formation order into a combat order, conduct offensive actions there in some direction of the front, because in fact, even when it is approaching, it can already be struck by 5 km to the war zone, still without turning to battle order, she can be hit by an fpv drone. and the tank will cease to be able to be destroyed, the same with the armored car, by the way, we have a video of a russian tank on which the dome

system of the reb is standing, now we will ask our directors to find this video, you see, it moves this russian tank, on which the reb dome system stands, there they explain that it is effective there, it protects against it, countermeasures are successful there... with the ukrainian f5 drone, but i will immediately post a video about your development there after this video, where the minister of digital transformation spoke about the fact that your company made an effective example, and i have a question, well, the first question is whether we are now following the same path with the enemies, are there any solutions, by the way, this is a video about your about your development, where is it basically blocks the drone's fp attack on the tank, right? so , are we now following the same technological paths and are we now facing the same technological limitations, if

we compare those russian samples of the wave cutter type and your development, well, the one you saw on the tank is not a wave cutter and the effectiveness of the antennas that are there, probably for one time, because it’s just a matter of starting a tank... and firing and then driving through that area and turning back, there were already comments from the same tank operators, who later said that a pair of antennas fell off after the first trip, after the first shot, after the first trip, yes, because such antennas in this case are not very effective on a tank, which, well, the vibrations are very large, that is, there is a lot to predict. still other points in connection with the fact that the tank, he even started, there is quite a lot of vibration, and for radio electronic equipment, it

is not such a simple story, for one plot it is not so easy to show that there is a system, but you cannot fight with it, and you went the other way, we went the other way, we started use antennas that do not have such, well, not such dimensions, they are significant. smaller, much smaller, they are fixed on the body, special shock absorbers for radio-electronic equipment are used under the body, so the vibrations are not so serious, and we have developed system, that we can add blocks, that is , we can reserve the control of additional channels, that is, if there are any more there... additional channels for drones, then we can always add a control system that is installed right away, it involves adding there to six to eight blocks,

that is... eight blocks are 6-8 ranges where potentially segments of enemy, enemy drones can appear, and then i would like to know if this is this module that applies to our armored vehicles, it was said that he is not requires the participation of operators, that is , the tank is actually started, there the mechanic, the driver or the commander of the tank turns on, presses the button and it works, and relatively speaking, there is a 600 m dome , they cover this, this, this armored vehicle, and fpv drones can’t attack or not? there are orders for these fpv drones after they have passed the tests, everything else, is the process of making these prototypes already started and these orders can be said to be in the hundreds for the needs of the armed forces, yes, well i would say yes, the defense forces , the defense forces, i will not name the units there, but for the forces defense so hundreds, well then the flip side of this story, if rap works, isn't that an additional debunking sign for that

of course. that, relatively speaking, our tank started up, the dome appeared, and the enemy could see that our tanks were moving with rtr means. yes, of course, any system that is turned on to create an obstacle is visible, but there is the issue of artillery, and no one has removed this issue on the battle line, but there are weapons that can, artillery is not always possible. to quickly and accurately hit an armored car or a tank, a half-bucket you can always get into, well, 95% of the time you can get into an armored vehicle or a tank or another means of transport that carries ammunition there or evacuates the wounded, so here you need, here you always need to choose, of course, if a person uses an anti-drone gun there, we conduct training,

we always warn. how to behave correctly in order to save your life, well, in any case, the tactics of action, when using the means of rap, must again be developed and used by units, and i would like to take a short break now, we will go to an advertising and informational break, after that we will continue our conversation. with yuriy momot, deputy head of the pirania technical company. verdict with serhii rudenko, from now on in the new two-hour format, even more analytics, even more important topics, even more top guests. foreign experts, inclusion abroad, about ukraine, the world, the front, society, and also feedback. you can express your opinion on the bad day with a phone survey. turn on and turn on verdict with serhii rudenko.

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these fpv drones that attack our armored vehicles now get the function of such machine vision, that is, they will be able to target the final area of ​​​​the attack due to the fact that they capture the target, does this not pose a threat to the fact that the dome reb itself in such conditions it will also be well limited by your capabilities, well, then you will need to work on increasing the range and having a system. a topic that will inform that the infrared camera is aimed at the tank, and he and the operator or the defense machine must see that it works, and then it will be necessary to understand how to knock down the situation in such a way that it does not hit, well, if, well not

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