it's also a good text , it's just that it was simplified a lot, everything was always simplified to such a bare social relationship, so it needs to be rethought, it's being rethought, and now that's why there's such an interest in the classics, do you think that you said that a new national myth is being created , yes, it is being formed, well, in fact, the form has already been formulated. the national myth of ukraine, what kind of myth is it, and whether a new canon of literature is being created in the same way, or whether it will affect literature in the same way, or it, or these things are not connected, here first we need to to note that a myth, again there was such a soviet statement, a myth as a distortion of reality, as something that opposes science, there are some dark ideas, a myth, a mythology is... a sacred sacred story about heroes,

and since we now have heroes, then a new mythology is being formed in our country, and of course its result will be the emergence of an epic, that is , an epic layer will appear in ukrainian literature, next to a novel, it does not mean that you will all stop writing novels, but it is already being formed, you can quote songs there , that is... poetry, er, song, they are faster respond, er, and they are composed of an epic, such an epic of snipers, again, there are many songs, these are epic and such ballads, and marches and requiems, and humorous songs, that is, it is such a rather wide layer , some of them are epic about shooters who fight for. the freedom

of ukraine and we now have completely mythological figures, yes, a mythological figure, i say positively, it is like there and heracles, theseus, but in the same way even now there are already figures that acquire signs of such legend, maybe if someone does not like the word myth, you can to talk about legend, yes, there are legendary figures, there are cyborgs, yes, there is a heavenly hundred, cyborgs, there is a ghost of kyiv, yes, of course there are even some. legendary figures that have a slightly humorous, comical appearance, but they still work as legendary figures, for example, pespatron, that's all, it's a legendary creature, and well, a hero, but somewhere it makes you smile, but there are some that are completely serious, or there azovstal, that is, yes, that is , it is very important that such a thing appears, because it means that the feat will not be leveled, it will not be forgotten. and you wrote in your wonderful

the book adventures of ukrainian literature , which i will ask you about separately, but you wrote about the time of the titans, you have such a whole chapter called the time of the titans, about this great shift, great energy in literature after the first world war, when these great novelists appeared, yes, starting with joyce. masamana, kawka and all the rest, how do you, how do you imagine our literature, our culture, after such an exsanguination that we have now, do we have, do we have a chance for the time of the titans? i think so, i think it's sad, but regularity, after great upheavals, see

the time of great literature, it is not because, well, actually, this is a problem, the fact that this happens, but this happens in principle always, because literature is about experience, and war is very extreme and very powerful experience, and now there are a lot of military, war-related experiences, this is the first, of course. the experience of those in direct confrontation, the experience of soldiers, the experience of trenches, trenches there, but this experience of volunteers, this experience of refugees, migration, this is the experience of occupation, this, that is, this a lot, it's the experience of being in the vaults, so a lot of different points that will be talked about, well, from the other side, actually. many people start writing, there

are several writing courses there, there are courses, by the way, specifically for veterans, the voice of war at internews. there is a summer school there, there is a whole series of writing courses, and they now have a lot of listeners, that is, people want to pass on this experience, they do not want to drop out, it is also therapeutic, on the one hand, you can say that the collection is the voice of war, the first anthology find it online, people want to write it out, splash out this experience, that's why new ones appear. writers , they are already being written about, and there are those who, having gone to the front , were already not bad, well, good, or not bad, and writers, poets, or even

quite titled ones, for example, dmytro lazutkin, he is now on the short list of the shevchenko prize, by the way, there are prizes that are adequately defined, even short lists. of course, there are always scandals around, but it's just a matter of trust or not mistrust of those who get there, yes, that is, there is oleksandr mehet in the publicist , that is, iryna chornogus, well, they wrote even before that, and iryna chornogus, and lazutkin, and artem cheh, there is arkiyan kamysh, chapai, well that is, there was a whole series of pavlo matyush, you can list them. yelyzaveta zharikova, the poetess, literally had her first collection published before the war by igor mitrov, but there are also those who started during the war, actually under the influence of wartime impressions, about whom, well, less

was heard or not heard, like valeriy puzik, there, let's say, either martin brest or oleksiy paikin, that is, them, or vitaly zapeka, they already started writing. after the eyelashes after the beginning, but well, after the 14th , yes, that is, the war was already going on and a cat began to appear, by the way, a look at the war through the eyes of a dog, and vitaliy constipation, he appeared somewhere around 16- it's the 15th year, and he already has several books now, that is, in fact , there are many new authors and authors, may they all return from the war unscathed and they will write, and... it will be such an outbreak, as after the first or after two of the world, of course, even though these are unpleasant things , the next question is so difficult, it will probably be about the moral right to write, i will now ask

the editor to show, show the screenshot of the article, the actual interview that hanna ulyura took, with natalka bilotserkivets, a beautiful poet. and so natalka bilotserkivets says this, here is such an opinion, i am interested to hear your analysis of this. natalka bilotserkivyts writes: "i recently read an interesting opinion that the best works about war" will be written by those who did not fight directly. i even admit that the best works about our war, primarily cinema and prose, can be created even by non -ukrainians and not in ukraine. for those who have been... on the battlefield, it can be excruciatingly difficult to move away from the inevitable perception of only black and white, absolute evil and unerring good on the battlefield, so individual short black-and-white works of high level are possible, but not full-scale, no only in

the sense of size, in the sense of the complexity of plots and characters, i was very impressed by this idea, i think it is very subtle, what do you think, well, i really like po... texts that are known more are all combatants, that is, obviously someone wrote about the war from afar, so these works appeared somewhere, somewhere, but we know about the war, first of all the works of combatants, of course, this does not mean that

such cannot appear works, and we understand, well, for example, we understand what it means that the waveman did not shoot his mother, but... but he wrote it imagining it like this, that is, experience in literature happens like this, experience can be imagined, and it will be a strong text, as well we know that kotsyubynsky came... i looked and wrote the best text about the carpathians so far, well, many of the carpathian authors may not agree, but okay, it turned out like this, that is, he did not have much experience in the carpathians, he got there twice there or three times there several times and wrote the best text about the carpathians , that is, it is quite possible, but direct experience in... this matters, and that is why i think that the strongest books will be written by those who

have direct experience, but i say that there are very different experiences, there is experience, for example, of emigration , and those who are now in exile, they they will write about it, there is experience there, children in the bomb shelter, and those who experienced it, they will write it, yes, that is, this, again, let’s give klimko grigor tyutyunyk, a boy... 11 years through the occupied territory, there are more than 100 km on foot, he goes there for a week, he sees it all, and this is war through the eyes of a war, a child, that is, yes, well, but of course, of course, these will not be uniform works, that is, probably many will want to write out their experience, but the texts remain stronger, that is, among those who had this experience, stronger ones will appear, here they are for... it remains, in any case, i think, here we probably cannot make

any generalizations, because in terms of literature, our situation is now very unique, if we think again about the texts about the war that we know in the world, then either these texts are written from the position of those who are disappointed in the war, so a german soldier, poisoned by propaganda, goes to the front to fight against, here i am retelling the trailer, and goes to the front to fight against the french, and paris in three days , that is, they go to the front with it, and here they are they see that this is dirt, that this is death , that this is mutilation, and he, they see through, this is this literature, war literature of insight, eh, it means that a person got to the front blind, he does not know why he got there, and then... she understands that war is scary, and before she thought it was a walk, and this is not our situation at all.

another is the war through the eyes of the victim after defeat. and this was once our situation, yes, malanyuk, a combatant, daragan, lost military competitions, all of them were actually very many in the 20s, because they fought first for the unr, and then many went there to sovietansk. the red army also fought like this, he was generally a rebel against everyone, including dovzhenko, and yanovsky, and mykola kulish, and even ostap vyshnya was in charge of the medical service of the ukrainian people's republic, that is , they all fought, but then so that they did not write about the war , they did not want this heroics, they would simply feel, they had suffered a certain defeat, especially like malanyuk, and there is also a third type, such... we now

understand that it is all imbued with falsehood, in us everyone who fights it understands very well why he does it, we are not in a war of conquest, and on the other hand, we will not be defeated this time, i think we are all united in this realization and ... that's why it there will be some other literature, new literature, i think, that’s why it’s very different, and here to generalize how it will appear, well , it’s quite risky, not difficult, thank you, i can’t help but ask about reading as such, so we wrote out for ourselves and we will now show a graphic from the ukrainian book institute, which did such and such a sociological study to change... the reading of ukrainians, how much they read more or less during the war, and

look how interesting it is that the number of ukrainians who read increased from 2020 to 23 , from 8% in 20 up to 19% in the 23rd year, that is, this very year that we lived, it seems that it is good, and even more so, it is good that the book in the ukrainian language prevails, printed, yes, the book in the ukrainian language, but for comparison in in germany, almost 46% of the population reads , what does this mean? we read, in comparison we still read little, but we read much more than it was there, let's say 10-15 years ago, this tells us that we still have educators and people of books ahead of us, there is still such a long path of enlightenment in fact, so serious because reading

always makes people smarter, it's important. at the moment, people are actively reading because they want to know, they want to know history, which, as it turns out, has been presented in many ways distorted, well, in particular, under the influence of russian propaganda, they want to know literature, about literature, because they were told again that there is no great literature in russia, that is, in fact, everything is there and needed, there are victories that should be celebrated in our history, there are strong texts. that's why people rushed to read, and i really believe these statistics, we all see that reading is very common, i don't know, i think every publishing house already has this experience, when fighters from the front line call, send books, we read in breaks, yes, that is, between battles, that is, it is important, well, it is globally important, because

a nation must be able to defend itself with the power of arms, but also... with the power of words, well , this is a fact again, it must tell the truth about itself, praise its exploits, its heroes, who will live as long as they are remembered, laugh in literature and the same, in our country this satirical aspect of literature is now strengthened, because satire is also a weapon, that is , in fact, this is an explained development, and of course there is a very good one. perspective, yes, well, but here it is still really far from european countries, from the states, i had a lecture yesterday, wednesday librarians, yes, who want to learn more about modern ukrainian literature, and

here i was recalling the fact that sometime in the 20s and 30s of the 20th century... there were powerful library support programs for libraries in america, the state supported libraries, there are some reading contests , so that people go, so that children go, they have some awards, collect some stickers, well, in short, they made a serious program so that people read, and now we can not be surprised why in america it is possible there put a million, 3 million, here if to recalculate proportionally, then we should have... possible circulations, well, at least 100-200 thousand such, so far, well, i know, there is a kidruka this colony, it is 30 00 there, it is not bad, we are moving in this direction, i know that the total circulation of everything published by oksana zabushko is already well over half a million , but there is still room for improvement, and anyway, here is

germany, in particular, and especially scandinavia, well, they are probably reading. uh, twice, three times more powerful than we are so far, and this is also a question of the school curriculum, uh, that is , complex, it will have to be solved, now it just goes from such a grassroots level, people just want to read, i want to know more, and interestingly, the most interesting reading figures from the ukrainian institute of the future, we also took, we will show why ukrainians read, so almost half of ukrainians 49... they say, that reading is a way of keeping oneself alive, especially during wartime. 42% believe that reading teaches you to make better decisions, that is, you become smarter, of course. 24%, a third of the participants consider reading ukrainian literature a form of cultural resistance, this is also understandable. 21% of reading and buying books, supporting ukrainian culture. that's why ukrainians read. and as

i promised, i will return to your book adventures of ukraine. literature, the adventures of ukrainian literature were just like that, firstly, this is the bbc book of the year, last year, 2023, in the essay section, secondly, after the lviv book forum it was impossible to buy it, i honestly, i recently bought it and read how quickly it spread among readers, what people are looking for in your book on... the history of ukrainian literature, well, i was hoping somewhere, that it would arouse interest, but i did not expect what it would be, but now the third edition is already underway, and it makes me happy. because i really hope that people are looking for a certain integrity, i tried to talk there in three such

planes, i always have such a small historical section there, which happened in one or another period, that's why from the end of the 18th to now , then there is about european literature, what was written there at that time, which were the brightest authors, and then immediately ukrainian literature. that is, it should be looming here, in my imagination, it should be looming so certain integrity, to show that, first of all, we have a strong and long tradition, in fact the tradition is even longer, that is, in kyiv, in such old centers, in kyiv, in chernihiv, in lviv, literature was written for a very, very, very long time , it is possible that ovid , who was exiled to the bessarabian steppes , organized a literary circle somewhere near odessa, well, it’s a joke, but in... a thousand-year history of literature, in fact, and not every nation can boast of such literature, that is, there is a huge tradition, but here even on that

the gap of 200 years is very clearly visible, there are actually much more authors who are talked about, who we know about there after school, and there are some texts that can be read again, i never like this, i am terribly happy when a person reads the adventures of ukrainian literature and then writes on the networks that my reading list has increased by 40 books, that's good, of course it 's a bit of an insidious plan, but on the other hand it makes some sense, but i come across another meaning , i come across a good book, i read it, i'm in awe, well, me i would like everyone to read it, well, that is, there is a high probability that many people will be fascinated by it. there is like the master of the yanovsky ship, well, a gorgeous book that was never , especially, not talked about, there and it is not in the school curriculum, or there is tsarivna

kobylyanska, that is, these are really very valuable texts, er, there or there dr. sarafikus domantovych, he came out now, eh , that is, we actually have eh, you know, it’s like the treasure cave of eh ladina, where eh... so you can go in, and there’s a lot of things there, but we don’t know exactly what’s there is, and for many i think, it's like that episode when, so, in gringotts in the bank in front of this little harry potter who thinks he 's poor, they open the vault and he sees that his parents left him a lot of everything, he can buy chocolate frogs, yes , that is, in fact, it is the same with ukrainian literature and culture, because it is... a complex process, but now everyone absolutely understands, and there is a generous man, how powerful it is, what a generous man has conquered the world, there is

some ensemble of military officers of the us navy, they understand that this is shchadryk, they write it levontovych, they understand that this is a very strong culture, it is so strong that it has survived in spite of very... many things, that's why it makes sense to admire, i subscribe, that's why they read and that's why they listen, that's why they watch , well, of course, there is still a lot to be done, but nevertheless , i thank you for this book, because my list has also increased, i thought that i had read and knew so much about ukrainian literature, it turned out that i did not, and i i also advise you to listen, i am happy and happy to listen to your conversations with vira ageyeva in crazy a... because both vira geeva and rostislav pesemkiv are masters of history from literature, and in fact , after you really listen to this story, you also

want to read izerov and domantovych and all those who have not been read or have not read. thank you very much for this conversation . rostyslav semkiv, literary critic, teacher at the kyiv-mallyan academy, was a guest today. of my program, thank you for being with us, see you next week, be, bleeding and inflamed gums, my advice, lacal active, lacalactive. actively overcomes gum bleeding, protects against periodontitis and noticeably tightens the gums. lakalut aktiv - an action that you feel immediately. new lakald activ+ with two-phase technology and plus

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