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they are not paid attention to, there are a lot of russians in finland, as many as 60, perhaps 50,000, there are a lot of russians in finland, and historically russian organizations, public organizations of russians, have had a huge influence on finland, as well as these organizations, old organizations have a very good connections in finland, and for example for us, for the association of ukrainians in finland, it is very difficult to work. because we do not have such connections, we do not have such influence, until recently we did not have such connections, now we have already changed somewhat, in any in the event that russians and russian organizations have the ability to somehow influence the opinions of politicians, they and they are there, russia, i do not think that russia can somehow significantly influence the internal politics of finland by applying these...
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russian or pro-russian or pro-russian organizations in finland, but they are trying, they are trying, there were huge protests against the closing of the border, that is, when the russians closed the border with russia, tens, tens, hundreds of people came out to protest, not thousands, but when russia attacked ukraine, there were few such russians, if not very few. that is, thank you very much, thank you very much, i'm sorry mr. arseniya, arseniy svynarenko, sociologist, lecturer at the university of helsinki, was in touch with us, you saw the weather in helsinki, and for me it's a complete mystery, how can you be happy when it snows like this , as we have just seen, but i know for sure that you can be happy in israel, because there you almost never see snow, although, although there are regions, there are even ski resorts, svitlana glaz, journalist, journalist from israel.
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i want to say good health , first of all, and secondly, so that you understand what the war in israel is like, ms. svitlana's grandchildren are now in the tzahal, that is, in the israeli army, and they stand up and fight for the independence of israel and against terrorists. thank you, mrs. svitlana, why are you with us today? good evening to you all, and to you, mr. mykola, and to you, listeners. viewers, by the way, about the snow, we have very , very good snow on mount hermon right now, but we can't get to it, because the area is closed, because of the war, well, yes, it's midnight, i know, they told me there, they even wanted to take me, to show that israel was so much my dream, so magical that there are times when you ski here and it snows, and then an hour later you can swim in the sea.
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already, i don't know how often it happens, they say, very rarely, but it is such, well, for me, it is such, well , the best country in the world, i would, i would very much like to have such opportunities, after the war i invite you to israel, i will take you to hermon and bathe you in the sea where you can swim while there is snow on the carmon, whether please, i invite you, mrs. svettana, you understand, i do, but i, i have an ear here, and this is a device, and there are people sitting there, that’s what they already said, we are going with you, mykola, so don’t get ready for me one, come, come, thank you very much, so the main question, the first question, ms. svitlana, it's like the new york times writes that israel and hamas are close to an agreement, is it true, and then the question arises, what kind of agreement should it be, so what seems to me, the interests of hamas and israel, they are simply opposite, and...
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israel wants hamas to be gone, and hamas wants israel to be gone, how can positions be reconciled? well, you probably already answered your question that there can be absolutely no common decisions, everyone has their own interests in israel, as from the first day of the war, the interest is to release the hostages, destroy hamas and make it so that it will never again did not threaten the jewish state, though. at the last press conference , netanyahu changed places, this is the first thing, the release of the hostages became the second, he still put the destruction of hamas first. hamas has its own tasks, and they are absolutely not do not coincide with israel's interests. because, uh, as you know, negotiations are going on in paris today about how to achieve, to achieve that, somehow, the war will end.
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whether it stopped temporarily, how to release the hostages, how it will all end, it is very difficult to say, analysts and politicians in israel, i read and listened a little today, have completely different views on this issue, but the only thing that everyone agrees on is to stop the war for the two months that hamas demands in order to release the hostages, there are also several points where the hostages will be released first, some, as in the second, let's say, there first of all it will be women again, and women will also be released from israeli prisons, and then there will be military men, soldiers. and so on, and it will already be a one-to-three exchange, one of our hostages, three people who are sitting in israeli prisons, whether it will be so or not, well, we will see, the negotiations are not over yet, they are still ongoing , but a ceasefire for two
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months, well, our israeli experts assure that it is not very good for the israeli army a good position, due to the fact that the army now has more than 300... thousand reservists at war, with whom something must be done, either to return them home for these two months, or to keep them somewhere, i don't know, in some training grounds, in some tents , two months is a lot for the time when there is a war, because of how it will turn out, who knows, and there are absolutely no identical questions that may be in israel and in hamas, one more question, yes, so loud, so loud... scandal, and we are in the news every day, new countries are joining the protests and the actions, i mean the un agency in gaza , which was called to help, distribute money, some humanitarian
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things, organize schools and so on and so on, this is for the audience, not for you, you know it better than me, ms. svitlana, so there is such a thing, there are many un agencies. about children , about refugees, about this, about other things, and there is such an agency in gaza, it turned out that the workers, employees of this agency, it is not, as i understood it, correct me, ms. svetlana, if i am not mistaken, this is when the agency involves local people, i.e. people residents of gaza, and these un staff, muslim representatives in the gaza strip, they... among those who attacked israel on october 7, and israel gave a detailed picture showed, with testimony, with all possible evidence, that it existed, it there are, and these are not
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neutral people, these are not people who are neither for israel nor for hamas, but they are, well, they are such educators, they are such humanitarians and so on and so on, and... now in shock the whole world, and everyone says, well, how can it be, it's the un, it's a complete discredit, what they're talking about is it in israel if you say that, well , let's say the un is in shock, i think israel is not so shocked, because everybody, where politics and money are concerned, it's a very, very difficult situation, it's this agency that , a middle eastern agency called in us. it is here, it works, it has existed for a long time since 1949, and it works on the territory of the palestinian authority, lebanon and syria. yes, you said absolutely correctly that their task was to raise education in these republics,
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er, to help health care and help the infrastructure in which people live, i.e. construction, probably the purchase of some goods, food and... and so on, this is all for the money that was paid to this agency, that was paid to this agency by different countries of the world, there are a lot of them, it's like european countries, as well as australia, and the united states of america, and here, as they say, in the midst of white, as snow falls in israel, so here, this situation turned out , it turns out that out of 12 employees of this agency belonged to the terrorist organization hamas, not only that they belonged. they really attacked the territory on the seventh israel, they took part in terrorist actions, that is, killing, raping, and taking hostages, of course, this is a shock, an absolute shock, and now, then, the united
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nations has assured that it is investigating, and that nine of 12 people who worked for this agency and who lived in the territory of the palestinian authority and... have been arrested, what will happen to them next, we don't know yet, they are silent about it, they don't say anything, uh, about what they did, then these are witnesses, and the film that passed. both here and all over the world, which filmed on october 7, what terrorists did here on the territory of israel. again, you see, there was a shock in israel due to the fact that the republic of south africa, which filed a lawsuit against israel in the hague, did not start its lawsuit on october 7, but on october 8, when the israel defense forces had already begun to act against the terrorists. and what the terrorists did, that they killed 1,200 jews in about two... hours, just because they were jews living in their country, they were silent about it, so
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you see here, we have a shock every day, i i think that this is not the last one, which will be the decision of the united nations organization regarding this agency is still unknown, i think that it will stop its work for a certain period, then there will be new people, new tasks and new money, israel does not want you... from the organization of nations, well, it’s somehow, well, our citizens are killed by people who have documents where it is written that they are neutral and belong to organized nations, receive money there and so on, well, it’s such a controversial topic, i would even say that there is no controversy there , there is just, i don't know what word, i think there have their own interests, and maybe not everyone is talking about them, due to the fact that now we have such a... the topic is difficult in israel itself, in the political system itself, which some, some people
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say that all this power, which, well, let's just say, i overslept a little over this situation on october 7, i should have left a long time ago, i should have resigned a long time ago, others say that this is not done during the war and so on and so on, a few days ago we had ex- employees security services in che'. and other people, businessmen, who wrote a letter asking netanya to leave his position, go to resignation, the same letter was written to our president, and with what is there, it means that there is no confidence in the president, that he is now not a positive for israel, but a negative, and he should resign, will it be so or not there will be no one who knows him, once again, at the press conference, netanyahu said that when asked... what is the situation in your party, your coalition, your government, he
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said bluntly, we we are working, we are fighting the enemy, we are destroying hamas, we want to destroy it, and you are fighting me, that is why we have each my own tasks, well, thank you very much, mrs. svetlana, glas, a journalist from israel, was in touch with us, explained to us what is happening in... in israel there is really a lot of interesting things, but this is such curiosity with such a very strong tragic accent , but there is already one that is. now we will have an advertisement, a short one , and then we will go to russia again, more precisely, today we are the first, no, well, the second time to russia, this is an interesting topic, we will talk about, we will talk with the historian oleksandr alfiorov, but it will only start after the advertisement, and now no, it will be advertising. do ordinary things become unreal?
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your heart. good health once again, ladies and gentlemen, and mykola berysyn is with you, he will be with you for another 15 minutes, and then he won't be with you anymore. so, as i promised, oleksandrov, the historian, and here we will discuss, good health, mr. oleksandr, we will discuss the following. mr. zelenskyi, who works in ukraine as the president, signed a decree on historical territories of the russian federation populated by ukrainians, somehow it coincided with the fact that before that the russians, representatives of the great russia said that alaska should be returned, they said so to the americans, the americans were quite
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confused, in this regard, i proposed to organize a new profession . there is political psychology, i decided that it is necessary, russia needs political psychiatry, because here there is already another such option, it is medication, absolutely, yes, here we need some kind of intervention that is more severe, mr. oleksandr, good health, thank you with us today, but my question is this, what about ukraine, in your opinion, ukrainians in russia, we, we know that this is the far east, we know, we are not talking about the neighboring territories. just in fact the north caucasus, we know siberia, we know where ukrainians extracted oil and gas, a huge amount, even i was told in 1988 that the first yellow-blue flags that we see here, behind my back, did not appear in lviv and kyiv, and somewhere there, i don’t know, even the price in samatlor
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is something there, tyumen is something there, there on these derricks, which were extracted, that is, this oil, stood on top. yellow and blue flags , fig knows when, but how far do you think these people know and feel they are ukrainians, or maybe even so, what percentage of these people feel that they are not fully russians, yet also ukrainians, well you you know, it's hard to tell by the percentage, because the percentages in the russian empire are moscow... i'm sorry to the federations, they are not worth anything at all, but i will say that if they have, say, for example, in the territory of kubania, during the censuses, 4% population recognize themselves as cossacks, 1% recognize themselves as elves, then it is obvious that not everything is so good in this kingdom, and we are talking about the fact that you cannot think about percentages, but
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maybe you can, at least i could, for example, at the time of the post-14th year, to say that... after the 14th year, after the beginning of russian military operations against ukraine, i talked, i communicated with those ukrainians who are abroad, and i will say that there were people who absolutely frankly said that they were on pro-ukrainian positions and that they were not they began to be looked at suspiciously, even in scientific institutions, it was said that it was the khakhlyad party... i am somewhere again, that is , it is about the fact that the actual processes in the russian federation are, in principle, the same as in any countries that are at this inter-civilizational crossing, fast enough. to talk about the fact that the ukrainians there are somehow trying to show themselves as ukrainians, well, it is difficult, because we saw in previous years how
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ukrainian schools were destroyed, ukrainian classes were closed, and most importantly, it is not there was... in principle, not a single such serious , serious appeal, at least from the ukrainians in russia, and although we also understand that there was no support from ukraine, because the times came when it seemed that we could support, but already it was not the right moment, but mr. oleksandr, but i myself, when it was so superficially not the way you understood it, i understood that kuban and terik cossacks, they are... more, well, if, less, less russian , don, it is quite, quite russian, and here the question, let's imagine the picture, is very difficult to imagine it, but... let's try to turn on the imagination that the russian center has weakened, more freedom has appeared in various regions of russia, national
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or just others there, and then what will these ukrainians of the north caucasus say, they, they, because on the one hand, we are discussing with you pro-ukrainians, but there are also pro-russian ones, because we have cossacks, so -called cossacks, who were absolutely nationalist patriots, who were absolutely nationalist patriots, let’s call it that, exactly in russian, of the russian empire, and fought and killed ukrainians are very easy, so to what extent can we expect that those other people will at least say something, i'm not saying that they will take up arms and start killing muscovites in style, but how serious is it? i understand that no one will speak now, mr. mykola, you know , it seems to me that a person who calls himself a kuban cossack, and you can safely spit in his eyes, say, you are a kuban anthem, not a cossack,
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because all kuban cossacks , which was not what was loyal, but what she said in 1918, that we will be reunited with our mother ukraine, these people were cut to size by the bolsheviks, then they were thrown into the last horse attacks during the second world war. war, well , in the 50s and 60s, it was taken away from them, the only thing left in them was teaching in the ukrainian language, so the eyes of the cossacks, the dressed-up cockerel, which we saw already on the island of tuzva, or rather in front of it, when they, the mayor, were charged, kuban nits, they started saying that we are for the president, for erefiya, well, then it was the same khutin, so it is clear that it is simple, well , let's put it this way, he is a scumbag and a bastard who remained from the kagibi region. let's say time, and they already completely fulfill the role of those mankurts, the only thing left with them is perhaps a language that they define as chatter in some families, that is, not russian,
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but chatter we speak here, that's why here it is very a difficult situation with the kubans, in fact, at the same time, i note that those cossacks who really came to bambas in the 14th year, which blocked the ukrainian troops, that was also the case. i want to remind you, we also have enough in ukraine, we see all these cossacks that existed in a million people signed up, but some of them , well, not all of them, let's put it this way, of them are really adequate, and yanukovych was given a hetman's bowa, as far as i remember, and yushchenko was expelled for being a cossack in 2004, so there is a different phenomenon, the main thing for us to understand about the fact that precisely these territories where ukrainians live, the kuban was really wiped out by the kuban as well... including genocide on ethnic grounds, i will remind you of the holodomor, which also affected these territories, and in the end, the spine
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was nationally broken there very much if we if we are talking about ukrainians in the territory of the kuban , there were indeed people who recognized themselves as ukrainians, who tried to create some ukrainian classes there, but as far as i understand, after the arrival of... putin, the entire territory of the kuban began to be cleared, that in principle, well, even this percentage who call themselves cossacks, it is obvious , perhaps there are anti-russian elements among them. i know that conscious people remained in the kuban, but everything was screwed up. the last printed organs were published there, newspapers were published there literally, more than 10 years ago, but everything was spinning, and even imagine that if... that even the church of the kyiv patriarchate or patriarch philoret was, for example, on the territory of the belgorod region, there, here
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, there, there, just these settlements with a displaced population, imagine yes, in the belgrade region, the ukrainian orthodox church of the kyiv patriarchate, that is, it has not entered the kuban, which in principle is even such a marker of self-identification, in fact , look if we are talking about the surrounding areas. territories, belgorod region, kurshchyna, obviously the north caucasus, it is clear, some contacts are possible here, here, well, suddenly putin will die, or they will put him somewhere, i don’t know, ukraine will win the war, and here, well, there will be some economic, cultural, maybe exchanges, but this green wedge in the far east, what is there? what, what, how can we maintain some contacts there, because they are 10 times closer to japan than to ukraine, and as far as we can there, we
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know, well, at least about this... i once spoke with chornovil vysheslav maksymovich about the fact that they are there, and indeed they are there appeared after the russians seized the chinese lands, and then it was necessary to somehow develop them, and it was an empire, well, they went , so they sent ukrainians from there to there, and they were there even in the 17th or 18th year of the past a century after the so-called october revolution, they had their own congresses there, they aspired to something there, stood for something, well, everyone was against them, because both the whites were against it, and the reds were against it, well, as always in such cases, what about such people who are in tyumen, that is what i told, the far east, green wedge, what are the possible actions from, for example, official kyiv in the event that russia declines, well, i will say right away that...
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i know mr. pylypchuk, who was there, let's say, one of those centers of ukrainians, who created ukrainian classrooms, libraries , returned to ukraine on a military pension, and there are few such people, but i know that even then they were put in trouble, although parents voted, for example, for the creation of ukrainian classrooms, now this does not exist in russia, that is, there can be a class or russian or russian and... the context, what to be, what will happen to him and to those ukrainians in general, who are on our ethnic lands, but are separated by the russian border, you know, i have such an interesting example here, it was 1918 and also a huge number of unconscious people who lived in the entire russian former empire , among them were ethnic ukrainians, and pavlo skarpatskyi, our hetman of ukraine announced that through the consulate of the ukrainian state in the territory of
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the bolsheviks. are there other organizations there, which these clowns did there, you can turn to and return to ukraine, and here in 1918 for a huge number of people returned due to ethnic characteristics, they returned in special trains allocated by the ukrainian state for this purpose, the so-called ukrainian carriages, which were returned by ukrainians in connection with the green wedge, in connection with other territories, you know, i would pay attention, for example, to such states like kazakhstan, for example, where there is also... a large proportion of ukrainians, along with kazakhs and other slavic tafin-ugric peoples, and i would like to see, see, from here in kazakhstan, where there is a need for them, like educated people, like people from higher educations, and a certain caste is created there, they don't return from kazakhstan, but they will obviously return to russia, because russia will collapse and it will still sink by dozens.
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years of civil war, what is called a civil war, when the chechens will start expelling the pseudo-patriarch gundyaev from moscow and the like, because they are disgusted when they are sprinkled with orthodox water on the streets, their muslims, who are the rulers of russia, well, all kinds of scenarios can be made, but i predict , which in the end is from those ethnic territories that we still see and even on the same decree of the president, there will still be people who will mention that my grandmother... grandfather are ukrainians, and what the hell can he do here next to the young chechen republic, i'd rather go to that ukrainian-speaking kharkiv region or kherson region, yes where it will be easy for me thank you very much to oleksandr alforov, a historian, it was just me who mentioned kazakhstan, i had friends who went to kazakhstan back in the 90s, maybe at the beginning of the zero years, there is a very funny story, there was...
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the head, if ukrainians of kazakhstan , he had the surname corner, as they said, but he was so terribly soviet-russian, that means one nation and so on and so forth, and then there was a proposal from the ukrainians of kazakhstan, let's give him a new surname, not kutany, but uglavoi, so that's it so yes, such were the stories instead of calling angular angular. all the best, ladies and gentlemen, anna eva emelnyk will now tell you what is happening in ukraine and the world, it will be called news on espresso, and i say goodbye, all the best, good health to all.
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