i suggest to pee and sleep, and maybe i 'll look a little, wow, in general, yes, there is, supposedly the first sex in two years, a separate platoon of unmanned air systems of the sapsan of the state special service of transport. appeal to the viewers of the tv channel with a request to join the collection of crown bones and technical equipment for our unit. thank you, glory to ukraine, heroes.

pavle, tell me, please, how everything happened, what the atmosphere was like, and most importantly, about the results. donald tusk decided that his first foreign visit was to kyiv, the first, because of course, he was at the meeting of the european council, but going to brussels for a meeting of the council is not a visit to belgium, so it was ukraine that was the first foreign visit, also the first outside the eu, and it was the finalization of what was previously noted by donald tusk. 35

times, this is probably an all-time record, and it clearly shows how he thinks about ukraine. this means that he thinks first of all in the strategic context that ukraine should receive support now. and our role is to mobilize the west. european the union, the united states, so that the 24th year will be a happy one for ukraine, because... it is closely related to our security, the role of a polish politician, and this is how i see my task, is to explain to our citizens, for example, what if you today you do something for ukraine, you do it for yourself, if you don't do it, if you sleep, it means that putin will get additional time to arm himself and strike with more force, and this is the context, and that's why the decision is that the first ... there is nothing

to describe it, because everyone knows this strange road, and the impression that you are traveling by train is a little out of time, after all, there are no other visits of foreign politicians , and in general , no one travels by train today for international visits, and even so far, so there is a little transfer in time, there is time for discussions, discussions, there is a lot of time in this carriage, and that is why.. .works a little differently than a regular visit where you jump on the plane, run off the plane, and complete the next steps in the visit program. if we talk about the most important elements, it is participation in the celebration of the day of the cathedral of ukraine. and maybe that's a bad word, pretext, but it really was a motive in order to arrive. and in fact, a long conversation between prime minister tusk and president zelensky, followed by joint negotiations of entire delegations.

they talked a little about energy. speaking in a modern country, this is a long process, so about individual projects, of course, you need to look closely at how they were implemented, how connections work in one place or another. they talked a little about agriculture, a little about transport, a little... kyiv, what was the atmosphere like before the visit, i know that you often visit kyiv, recently were in november, but time has passed since then when you were preparing for the trip to the ukrainian capital. i knew in a week that we would be

going to kyiv, and before leaving my thoughts were focused on devoting all the time to briefings with... . meeting with experts to talk about ukraine, a little bit from scratch, so i had the idea that i would spend a lot of time talking to experts that i have known for a long time, because i myself am from this environment, but okay, in general it looked like the 23rd year for the ukrainian army was successful in the sense that that she managed to hold the front line, and sometimes even gain something, but also the last great success was kherson, that is... the 22nd year, and before that the battle near kiev. we thought about what ukraine lacks in order to speak more clearly about the battlefield with russia. so i tried to find an answer to the question: what would have to happen to include a more positive, dynamic scenario of this

war? i remember that i had a long conversation with the prime minister and the members of the delegation while i was on the train, and while scrolling through the internet, i found an article that... on the front line between ukrainian and russian troops are as many rats and mice as there were in the first world war. and my first instinct as a historian was, "oh my god, how do they know how many rats and mice there were then? but then i thought that basically the main thing is cementing the belief that this war is going to last a long time, and the longer the longer the war continues, the worse this scenario is for ukraine and central europe." means the need to provide ukraine with an opportunity to achieve clear victories, and then the question arises, what to do to

the ukrainians broke this stability, this frozen stabilization, as it was during the first world war. in time with donald tusk's speeches in kyiv, where many words were said about poland's support for ukraine, poland was once again engulfed in farmers' protests. how is this related, what are the forecasts and how, for the sake of common security, can we find a balance between dialogue and business interests and at the same time prevent the russian special services from manipulating us. well, first of all, you need to see the whole picture. that is, to see, for example, how the export of polish goods to ukraine. maybe we wanted... to see more investments, and we will probably discuss this in the near future, but also ukrainians buy a lot of polish goods, and this is important for public opinion in poland, because the mechanism is simple. i will now move on to the farmers: when you take this train to kyiv and see

a glass of tea in front of you, you sit like in a movie and think, what to say to ukrainians, how to motivate them? then i got this... thought, you should also help us a little, help yourself, that is, if we want to do politics more military support, more mobilization of the west, we must have more support in our own society to carry out such a policy, it consists of two elements, that is, we must make sure that polish farmers do not lose, and for this a solution must be found, and it will be found. from the moment when ukrainian politicians will understand that this is important for the legitimization of our common political affairs in other spheres. you should not think that this is something like a quarrel between poland and ukraine, because it is not so. the question is deeper, this is a real problem in the big ones groups, large social groups that

support the government, and we have to make sure that these social groups feel satisfied and have no losses. that is , first of all, the first thing... which should be understood, i would explain it like this to a ukrainian politician: in the head of this polish farmer, who has problems with selling grain, the story looks like this: i took in a ukrainian family, helped, and now i am losing, and facts do not matter here, because sometimes they can be slightly different, sometimes it could be that this particular person did not accept ukrainians, did not help, or helped, or in some other way, or this... the farmer did not lose because he received support from the european union and the polish government, right? but he must be sure at the level of his perception that he must continue the political support of ukraine, so first of all it is necessary to tell him that ukraine is also a good market

and that cattle breeding is also good today. secondly, he needs to show that there is a possibility of support from the eu, and we are in this support from the ukrainian side is also needed. i would say to the ukrainian politicians, instead of going to brussels and talking there, let's come to an agreement, the poles will have nothing to say, do it like this, come up with a way with the poles so that this group of farmers will be at the... fate, because such there are ways in the eu, you only need to want to. let's approach the topic a little differently. as you know, in this visit, i saw a good deal of this kind of thinking. suddenly it turned out that neither the issue of transport nor the issue of agriculture is insurmountable, they are complex at some level, but for god's sake, they're not strategic. and it looks like we, thanks to the existence of the eu, can solve these cases. some of them will be relevant when... ukraine will already be in the eu. i predict that our support will be strong for

negotiations with the eu, because the time will come when ukraine will be in the eu, and there will be no more problems at the border. we just need to find a solution for this transition period, and now we need to change our thinking, because if we think that because of these tactical things, we are ready to turn polish-ukrainian relations are upside down, probably, that's what some people think, then we won't do anything. these complex topics ie... agriculture, other in agriculture grain, wheat, corn, eggs, soft fruits. i am sure that minister sikersky will find a solution to each of these topics. i am convinced that the problems will be solved. it is only necessary that ukrainian politicians understand why this is happening. this happens not because we are competing with someone, but because it is the same as in ukraine, where there are also elections. this is the source of our support. we must have the support to pursue this policy and not another. in their society. only one thing surprises me: just a few weeks ago

, we talked with you about the fact that minister sekersky, you were in the delegation together at the time, held negotiations, agreed with the farmers, and they stopped the protest, some solutions, consensus were found then. the government promised farmers subsidies, less than two weeks later, the protest resumed. and so it will be, because it can be so. i will say it differently, it can be so, because it is so in the european union, so it is in the west, that's why what... if we solve the grain problem, other problems will appear. not all problems are related to the ukrainian issue. there is no point in sensationalizing every protest, because protest is the norm in a democratic world and in a democratic country. you just have to be pragmatic in solving these problems, some of them can be foreseen, so the big problem of the previous peace government was that they were not able to foresee some major problems, and others of these problems will arise and disappear by themselves. we will not be able to predict them, we need them. will be to be decided pragmatically, the only thing is that each of these topics did not destroy polish-ukrainian

relations at all, or, god forbid, did not harm security, which is of super-strategic importance, because this conversation will look different, if not, i do not want to talk about these worst case scenarios in general, this conversation would look different, as if the russians would have more opportunities in ukraine. so, let's put it this way, this is a conversation for all the years of ukraine's accession to the eu. this is the time for negotiations, for dialogue, above all, and we will probably find a way out, because... security depends on it both our countries. because sometimes they say so, we will surely find a solution to forget about something, but the point is not because these solutions are on the table. and transport and other issues can be resolved. but really, sometimes certain things in politics have to be foreseen. their predecessors in poland simply did not foresee them, and we found them in the state in which they are. and above all in a certain state of social perception, because perception is extremely important in... that there are many

jobs in poland that are funded by this, if you add a few good investments, it may suddenly turn out that we don't have to repeat this common phrase in poland every time, so that it doesn't happen like in iraq. this phrase in poland means that we helped, we sent our troops in this case, and then others benefited from it. because it's the mindset that war is always being used by someone, i wouldn't say that in our case someone is using war, but during war, a lot of things really change, and we have to prevent our enemies from playing and winning on these changes. let's talk about the most interesting thing: in kyiv, donald tusk announced that the polish government will appoint a representative for the reconstruction of ukraine and that it will be pavel koval, all the polish, ukrainian and european media wrote about it. what

does this mean for your other positions? deputy, chairman of the committee on foreign affairs, whether they will remain, as well as when and in what way this new figure will be involved in the political game. similar positions and a similar role were held in the polish government before me, before me jadwiga emilevych was already involved in this issue. it was primarily focused on economic issues. previously, such an informal coordinator was michal dvorchyk. such similar positions of special representatives can be said on the issue of ukraine exist in the usa and in germany. it is probably obvious, and it is necessary... also in poland there was someone who would connect these ukrainian affairs, especially in our case, because for us, as it is purely a family story, i mean that all the issues that we have, one way or another relate to ukraine, therefore even from the point of view of such day-to-day functioning the prime minister, the prime minister must have someone with whom he will talk and whom he will ask

about energy, about culture, about exhumations in volyn and about 10 other important topics in polish-ukrainian relations, someone who keeps in the head, who deals with this and is in a position to quickly resolve issues, so there is definitely a need for such a role, it should probably have certain coordination tasks, how it will look in the end, the prime minister will decide, but it will be quick. however, the first step that should be taken is this look at what has already happened in these matters, because it looks like certain things have already happened. also, now we are making a small inventory of what the previous government did, it is not so easy, because there are many such topics, acute, problematic, and we also need to deal with creating conditions for investors. here, the previous government also had good ideas, not all of them were implemented, but they were. there are also issues of intercontainers, i.e. energy and electricity, liquid

fuels and several similar topics. there is also an old one sarmatian theme. that is, odesa, brodyk, gdańsk, and each of these topics, you need to look closely at each of them, what this situation looks like, what the next step should be taken, the prime minister will decide when it will be and what the scope of these works will be, but for sure , such a person should be in the government, if only because there are similar positions, similar positions and roles in the government battalions of many western countries, and it makes sense. that is, you will remain a deputy and... we are talking about the effectiveness of formal decisions, in fact , there will always be a good solution for accomplishing this mission, and it will definitely be effective, i can promise that. when should

the process of rebuilding ukraine begin, now or after the war? it always begins, because ukrainians. that was bombed, i am often in ukraine, so in a sense, in a literal sense, reconstruction has already begun, but i think that three aspects must be clarified: first, in a sense, the reconstruction process is ongoing, because no one in ukraine will not wait until putin ends the war to rebuild a bridge or a house, wherever perhaps rebuilding is ongoing, this is a planned activity that is often funded, especially in the first phase, meaning after february 24th. then it was financed from the means of humanitarian aid, that is, it was necessary to rebuild what was destroyed at the moment. the second question is thoughts about the reconstruction that is expected in the future. and thirdly, i would like to shed light on a question we should ask ourselves. and what does reconstruction mean? in a sense, you need to ask yourself the following question: is

reconstruction not something more than simple a physical reconstruction of what was destroyed. because at the same time, ukraine will... join the eu, which means, for example, that we will be talking about energy transformation. ukraine will have to prepare for what is happening in the eu today. also, the third factor that we have to take into account when thinking about reconstruction, i would also say modernization and change, using the whole process of reconstruction to make ukraine a little different, for example, when it comes to energy consumption. if we talk about funds, which financial means can we talk about here, polish, european and for what? first of all , money will be directed, because during tusk's visit to kyiv, there was also information that poland would provide financial assistance, direct funds for reconstruction, for what exactly? here one could ask philosophically what is aid, because in the end it may turn out that there are countries

richer than poland, they can say that today they give more, but this logic is difficult. accepted, not everything is so simple, because poland is the main transit country with ukraine. the closest neighbor, the closest neighbor, there is this story of 2022, i believe that this is how we should build our role in participation. poland is also a country that transferred a lot of weapons, sold some as well. so maybe it's time to think about joint projects when it comes to ammunition production. that's why i don't like to talk about amounts here, because today... fortunately, there are countries in the world that will give larger amounts and have more ammunition to give to ukraine, and thank god, our role is to mobilize them, but when we say about help, we also... have to remember that in gratitude, even sometimes expressed in words, is extremely important to politics. we'll remember that it was, we'll remember that you did it, and

we know that it doesn't count. of course, you can count. the stay of every ukrainian, every ukrainian woman and every ukrainian child in poland. someone can calculate the average cost, but the point is not in these calculations, in the fact that the help has already begun. it is not something that only opens. said that we were creating such a position, then endless phone calls began, for the first time for many years i turned off the phone because i couldn't answer all the calls from people who wanted to talk about what they wanted to do and what they would do. so our participation in the reconstruction is a fact, we just need to install additional motors. which one insurance, especially special insurance,

which also works during wartime. this is. in principle, it already is, and it is very good. this is better than what some western countries can offer. but two is war. and i'm talking about it too. it is possible to offer political support, as well as the support of polish, american, german or european. business , it has to be taken into account, as far as the polish business style is concerned, investment funds to start implementing it, investment funds such as start-ups, they should be directed to small firms, there are several options among institutions that deal with this, for large, probably from the bank, regional economy, probably because we are at the conceptual stage, so if someone wants. to participate in the business and attract a little more money, he will also be able to get some money as a contribution to this business, as a share in this business, so it is not only

about the financial capacity of polish companies to invest, it is also about additional security, which is what they say is the polish umbrella for these investments. so, first of all , it is about construction, infrastructure, energy. infrastructure, we talked , such a proposal was made, i am talking about this because it has already been publicly announced that there will be a proposal to build a highway in ukraine, so that it will be for a long time, and then it can be used in for commercial purposes and receive income from it. i think we need to get the word out, we need some flagship big investments that will be talked about, because people need to have a ... perception that there is a lot of small spending and investment, and exports are doing well in many areas. we just need to completely unblock the border, because the border

is the main problem here, to be honest, but this kind of process always needs beacons so that people can point to something, and as we say, aid to ukraine, so what, so this, this and this investments, and smaller, other ones will follow them. the total budget for the recovery of ukraine is 700.50 billion euros and 10 years, how realistic is it? i am skeptical of these calculations, in my opinion, they are very conditional: if the war ends, there will be a huge dynamic of the development of the ukrainian state and demography, and we will calculate it differently here, so i do not know whether it is worth tying to some specific calculations that are now 10 years ahead? rather, we now need to focus on the mechanisms of what it should look like to achieve this a major reconstruction, let's call it what it is now. during the war, it is a big reconstruction or an unplanned reconstruction, then there will be this big reconstruction, so that it will also be followed by modernization and changes, and then it would be easier to respond to what worries everyone, big

money is always the risk of corruption, how to minimize this risk applies to both ukrainian and polish companies. conversations about the fight against corruption, joint procedures, a discussion about what border checks should look like, for example, it is known that this the negotiation process by itself does not work, of course, anti-corruption investments should be part of the system of recovery and modernization of ukraine, there is no doubt, because the level of demoralization of people after the war, demoralization in this sense, put it another way. after every war

objectively feeds corruption or some other social pathologies, so let's think about the reconstruction of ukraine not only in the sense that we will rebuild what the russians bombed and destroyed, but also that these will be things that will slightly change the social approach will be a factor social changes. and lastly, 50 billion euros of aid to ukraine from the eu will be considered at a meeting of the european council next week. what to expect from the meeting of the european council on february 1? the orbán problem is still there, but i think it will have disappeared by then. thank you and see you next week. now you can watch our conversations on the espresso tv channel. every sunday at 10 p.m. , our dialogues with pavel koval come to your attention. i'm maria gurska, goodbye.

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region. russian military propagandists are already returning to their lexicon the meaning of the dnieper-crimean direction, and we also understand that they are expanding our defense forces bridgehead, as far as they can do it on the left bank, in connection with which the occupiers are changing the transit regime between crimea and the temporarily occupied territory of the kherson region, this is probably connected with in particular. by trying to transfer additional forces from crimea, both equipment and personnel, and the military campaign of our country may very well be based in 2024, again on security in the black sea and around the temporarily occupied crimea, at least that is what the assistant secretary of state of the united states of america believes issues of europe and eurasia by james o'brien. he says that this can be implemented if the united states is able to allocate

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