brian, he says that it will be possible to implement it if the united states is able to allocate financial assistance to our country, well, directly without liberating crimea or limiting the use of crimea by the russians, imagine, in general, the development of the situation in our favor in this war is quite difficult. we'll see how it goes, it's not canceled, what we have to do. ourselves and primarily to help the military, uh, and that's one of the main things we do, thanks to this ether, i encourage you to help if if you are already watching this program, which we share with espress atr, then you should know that there is such a 48th separate assault battalion named after noman chelidzhikhan, whose commander is the general director of... the tv channel, yes, yes, in such times,

livna roslyamov, and this battalion was created , by order of the command, it started to be created in august, ah, now this is the southern direction, this is an assault battalion, you understand what this is and what kind of help our soldiers and officers need, at the moment there is an urgent need, these are fpv night drones, that is, drones with... thermal imaging cameras which allow you to attack the enemy at night in absolute darkness. so join the collection, you can see the qr code of this collection on your screens, at least 50 such night drones are needed, it is 1.5 million uah, one such drone costs 30 00 uah, it is not cheap, but there is nothing cheap about this...

we won't have a war and nothing will be free and just watching and discussing the war is ineffective, it may be interesting, but it doesn't help, so at the same time as you watch this program, donate to drones, donate, help our soldiers, there is also a card number, which means qr- codes, there is also paypal, who is watching us, maybe it is convenient there. abroad, it is also possible through paypal liberation of crimeia, so how, how is it called in the correct ukrainian language, sobachka, yes sobachka, well , sobachka, it will probably be like that, it’s a little different, well, sobachka gmail, com, well , see our program further, we will always support such gatherings for the only crimean separate unit in the armed forces, which we are proud of and which we support. well and

support the process of deoccupation of crimea, which , well, has actually already begun, and we understand that this will be a very multi-layered story, the people who remain in crimea for various reasons support the most of the deoccupation of crimea, and you know, having the opportunity this week to communicate with the general of the armed forces of ukraine dmytro marchenko, who takes care of the partial one, is one of the best. takes care of the communication of our defense forces with the underground in the south in general, so his opinion, which looks more than authoritative, is that people in crimea continue to provide information, it is extremely important information for the defense forces, let's listen, you also talked about the fact that, i will say that there are people in crimea who do not want there to be russian peace, er... they

want it to be ukraine , and they also help us and will continue to help us, and uh, well, you understand, these are people who were forced to stay there, taking care of their homes there, for some elderly parents there, they are also forced to be there, but they definitely they don't want there to be a russian peace, that's why they help us as much as they can. they find the channels, they find, they find the opportunity and give us the valuable information that i have already told you about. well, actually, a full interview with dmytro marchenko, search on youtube, espresso, in the espresso comment project, in general, subscribe and be with us, as it were, together with the atp tv channel, the content of which is extremely valuable now for everyone who really rooting for release. crimea, and i would like to remind

you that what dmytro marchenko says is extremely important, people are really signaling, helping to find enemies resources, military facilities, movement and so on. further, but it is very important, it is extremely important to do it in safe ways, and here it is probably worth noting that messengers such as telegram are not reliable, at least i saw a post about it from andriy klymenko, but this post was written by volodymyr lyashenko, yesterday in once again we received confirmation that 100% of the information transmitted through the telegram chat reaches the russians, but this time such... the prudence of a person led to the fact that she was imprisoned in crimea and the occupiers they accuse her of treason. and we include in our conversation volodymyr lyashenko, representative of the national council in the autonomous republic of crimea and in the city of sevastopol. mr. volodymyr, congratulations, glory to ukraine.

glory to heroes. salam aleikum. alaykum salaam. a few words about the incident when a person apparently used the announced tv. ram bot gave the information and is now in the cells of a russian prison, maybe i understand, we are talking about the temporarily occupied crimea, how often does this happen and what conclusions should we draw from this? actually, information about such cases, it comes , but it was not, let's say, verified, but this case, it has already been verified, and yesterday i was informed that, unfortunately, it happened that a person provided certain... information at the request of one from supposedly pro-ukrainian channels, and after some time the occupiers came to this person and there provided her with information about what she had written in the telegram channel, passing on this information, and the person is now

taking measures against her and trying to accuse her in the state council against the state the occupier, unfortunately, we hope that it will be a single case... and everything will end, let's say, more or less normal, but it must be understood that media literacy is a habit that should be among the citizens of ukraine, especially those who live in the temporarily occupied territory territory, well, the same habit as, excuse me, brushing your teeth in the morning, that is, you cannot use a telegram to transmit any information that may pose a threat to such people, you cannot brush your teeth with a yorshik for... nitaz, i would say so , i am mr. volodymyr, i was really surprised that that in principle someone still uses telegram, well, it’s good that at least not classmates, but now i want to talk to you, focus attention on what is happening on the propaganda front,

where the fighting does not stop there, the fighting on the part of the occupiers does not stop already 10 years, this is a long period, and it... affects consciousness, despite the fact that there are indeed many people in crimea who remain ukrainians, who absolutely do not obey this government, well , formally they live there, but do not serve it, and vice versa everything they can for of ukraine, but, but what is the impact of this propaganda on you, in your opinion, in terms of scale, in terms of narratives. precisely on the inhabitants of our temporarily occupied territories, in particular crimea. well, actually, the psychology of a person is such that if he has no alternative sources of information, then even if he is very , let's say, very crazy, but i

there he uses this information, he still succumbs to this information, that is, how deep this influence, then i believe that, that it is, and it is really now... very important, moreover, he, the russians are constantly changing it, they are strengthening it through various measures, in particular, for example, now the so-called project to install free equipment of free satellite dishes, which they called, well , it is very strange that they would have called it differently, called it русский мир, this project, unfortunately, is their additional influence, an attempt to influence both ... the territory of crimea and the territory of the so-called newly occupied territories. i would call it, mr. volodymyr, plates for lokshina, well, actually. so say yes, but, but lakshina is very tasteless, in fact, i would say,

it is even, sorry, it is poisonous, it is dangerous for the mental health of a person. ugh. mr. volodymyr, in such conditions, how should we act in this direction of information, because unfortunately, when the occupiers are constantly increasing, maintaining the level and massiveness, unfortunately, in recent years, the opposite has happened in our state, it started even before of a full-scale invasion, when the only crimean tatar tv channel atr was deprived of state support, and this simply caused treatment, well, i don't know how to say it in ukrainian, they just like it, no, on the contrary, the russians, they were very happy about it, yes, and it was such an absolute victory for them. well, it is impossible not to agree with this, when such an enemy is weakened 100 times there, like

the ter tv channel, which was there, well, such a powerful tool of counter-propaganda, now, unfortunately, there is almost no one in the team, well , a minimum number of people, just to ensure minimal broadcasts, news in the crimean language, ukrainian, and a few that remain in the pramoeter language. analytical programs, we do everything we can , even without money, the main thing for us now is the support of the 48th separate assault battalion there, whose commander was and was created by lyno ruslyamov, the general director of our tv channel, but what is what is what is, and the situation the situation does not change at all, it will soon be the third year of the full-scale invasion, and as in such conditions, when there is no emphasis on the crimean direction, well , frankly, there is no, here is our program somewhere... maybe there is something else, but it is certainly not much, that you, as a member of the national council on

television broadcasting specifically in the crimean direction, what are your thoughts , what are the prospects, what to do, in fact, you can’t lay down your arms, sir, well, first of all, i want to say that i am not a member of the national council, i am a representative, that’s all i am i'm very sorry, but for the audience it's a little, you're a representative of the national council in general, it's a slightly different situation. because a member of the national council actually makes decisions, but in a collegial manner, and the representative of the national council is somewhat of an administrative position, but i can say that i, for example, see at least three directions, the first direction about what you said, this is what i am trying to do now, how can i do this issue, is to change the principle, to change the legislation in terms of state support for media that deal with crimean issues, which... cover the issue of related to crimea in the ukrainian media. this is the first. personally, my

attitude to this is that the mechanism provided by the legislation today is a peacetime mechanism, and it cannot be used in our situation, because it is ineffective. you need to make another one a mechanism that will clearly provide an opportunity to produce powerful materials, precisely those media that understand crimean. to have, so that we do not have such cases as, for example, there, i'm sorry, there is some low-grade humor, there is a diesel show, or something else related to the crimeans, this is unacceptable. the second direction that i see, in particular, if we are talking about this, let's say, russian measure, is to turn to the international, international telecommunication union, to turn to certain appeals from... the ukrainian side regarding the application of certain algorithms that will

allow influencing the russians' use of the radio frequency resource for their propaganda, that is, in the direction that it cannot be used, and the third very powerful mechanism, as i see it, is sanctions, it is to add these people who produce in here is this equipment, and this ee... it cannot exist without equipment, add them to the list of sanctions, first in ukraine, then world sanctions. in fact, this is a very influential mechanism, and the russians, well, they feel it, this is the main thing, when money is taken from you, when the market is taken away from you, and you can no longer exist there, it simply ceases to exist and any technical support for this project, these are the three directions, at least need to be developed, mr. volodymyr, and... is there any additional mechanism involved? you know, when we talk about countering enemy

drones, we're talking about electronic warfare, that is , there's always a counter to any action, can we technologically, i don't know, direct some equipment that would be able to interrupt this russian signal, harm at least, yes, deform, well, that’s right, you know, the idea, unfortunately, is more for technical specialists, and... from the information that i saw from devzvyazuk, they can't influence this moment, why can't they, because the russians removed, well, under this project, russian peace, they... they use their own satellite, on which, on which they placed a pool of these channels information, which are essentially propaganda channels, and this satellite, it is actually located in the sky in a completely different direction from those satellites on which ukrainian channels are publicly available, so,

unfortunately, it is necessary to somehow cover it with some kind of cap, such... well , a radio cap, unfortunately, there is no technical capabilities, in particular i don’t see them, ugh , you see, once upon a time, the ukrainian scientist serhii korolev, together, by the way, with some crimeans who helped him, took them into space, and now they use space, including for propaganda sabotage against of ukraine, well, that means it is necessary... to somehow fix it in other ways, tell me what we can do, i think that first of all, well, you know this, it’s not my level, but ukraine needs its satellites, its relay satellites 100%, this lybit , which has not taken off in our country for many, many years, unfortunately, it did not take off thanks to

our neighbor, the occupier, who, wherever he is, this lybit, he must... become like that, you know , very hard, bitter, but a lesson to act not after the roasted rooster pecks, but before that the rooster did not happen. ugh. mr. volodymyr , one more question that will concern, well, actually those, once even representatives and ukrainian media of a local nature in the territory of the temporary crimea, who chose for themselves the russian measure, so to speak, and now they are washing the cities not only for the residents of the temporarily occupied crimea, but actually carry out their propaganda activities on the territory of the temporarily occupied southern regions of our country. we spoke with the representatives of the prosecutor's office, and actually the prosecutor ponochevny noted that everyone

a separate case will require additional study, that is, did this or that journalist realize that... he or she is doing this or that host or host, that with her mouth, through the television screen, she is committing a crime there, against the state of ukraine, or against her fellow citizens, in general, or in your opinion , in particular, as a representative of the national council on television and radio broadcasting, we should not somehow unify our approach to these people, because war, because war and participation in propaganda. line on the side of the enemy, it would be the same as the troops to take direct part in to the enemy, well, you understand, mr. panachovy, he spoke from his side, from the side of a person who deals with criminal proceedings, and there criminal proceedings are proceedings connected with the fate of a person, well, it so happened

that even there, even if a person created or did something bad there, only. can recognize her as a criminal, there is no other, and this is the principle, this is the principle of a civilized society, in our case, regarding unification, it is most likely impossible to do this, but i will note that there is promedia in the media law, in particular there is such a point that if it will be established that in relation to a certain person or a certain media, a certain person who is related to the media, there will either be a criminal... proceeding or a pronounced sentence that has already entered into force, this, let's say, the person involved, he will not be able to take any further participation in the work of the media on the territory of ukraine. i can say that the national council is doing some work in this direction, of course, that we, we will not talk about it now, because if we

tell about it, they will know about it, we don't need people to know about it yet . which it concerns, but it is really a long job, the only thing i want to remind those who do it in the cream, that they should look carefully at the materials of the nurnberg trial and look at the number, let's say so, of those propagandists who were convicted, including and for execution after this nyubyn trial, if they want to repeat their fate, well, that's their choice, mr. volodymyr, or not... should, in your opinion, at least create, compile and publish a list of propagandists who work for citizens of ukraine , including those who work for temporarily occupied territories, or is it , i think it is not impossible, look , in fact, this list is compiled so that you

understand, but i would not make it public until a certain moment, i will explain, it is procedural, because until a person does not know, that something is happening to her, then it is enough, it is enough simply to record her actions, if, as soon as a person finds out that what the... something is happening, she begins to mask her actions, and this in a certain way complicates the situation with bringing her to justice, so after all, i wouldn't was in a hurry to make this list public, it is made public already when the collected evidence has been identified regarding this person, and there is already a certain, let's say, procedural point that will allow her to be brought to justice , so that she could not go abroad and then say, what about her there... political persecution, you know, they already go abroad with ukrainian passports, for example, the former director of the propaganda racist channel millet, i just forgot

his name, i just can't remember it now, he i went to the united states with a ukrainian passport, so i know this moment, this is actually one of those moments that are very difficult, because you know that, unfortunately, we do not have legal agreements with the united states... on extradition criminals, but i can say that for a certain time he will feel at home there, maybe safe, but the situation will change, i hope that this person will still get to us and receive his sentence, ugh, and literally in the end, a few words with your permission about the progress of the mental and cognitive de-occupation of crimea, when it comes down to it... we understand that the preparatory work is already slowly being carried out, the ministry of education and science of ukraine is revealing to us a little under the veil, how they will work with minor residents,

in particular, in crimea in this direction, what are the main points you would highlight here ? in fact , cognitive de-occupation is not a specific moment, it is a very, very, in my opinion, a process stretched over time. and this is the beginning of cognitive de-occupation, as it may sound wrong, it has already begun, because now what is cognitive de-occupation is a change in the consciousness of the population of ukraine regarding events related to crimea, because let's face it, for a large part of ukrainians, crimea is the sun-sea or bureks, i rested there, for such people who were born there, and especially for representatives of the extreme people, the extreme peoples of ukraine , this, this is the... the only territory where they formed as a people, and this moment is very important, that is, we need to understand that, well, for example, let's take

the crimean tatars, they are not some other people from a different history at all of another planet, it is a part of the ukrainian nation, which has a history in common with ukraine, with ukrainians, with ukraine, it was not always pleasant for us there and everything else, but it is a part of the ukrainian... nation, and therefore you cannot say we and them, it is all us, that's it is one of the moments of cognitive deoccupation, but if we start to realize these moments now, then it will make it much easier in the future, firstly, and secondly, this, this is the beginning, you know, when, as they say, the tip of the iceberg , that is, and on and on, in the future there will be such a big glacier and it will be easier for us, because the russians are using this very moment, they killed a wedge between us. they show that we are historically different peoples there, that we are one people there with them, and this is a different people there, which is always something like that, in fact

, this is a problem that needs to be solved with the help of cognitive de-occupation, so it it has already started, it is already happening , well, it is, but it has been working, mr. volodymyr, since the time of catherine ii, when they began to generalize us with the tatars, who live in... well, the volga region, by the way, before many peoples of the empire were called tatars , just, that busurmans, that is, we must say that we are crimeans and ukrainians, and this is our common history, and there was much more good than bad in it, and in it, everything that was bad, it did not work in favor of the crimeans either , nor the ukrainians, and any disputes there, they were always used only by muscovy in order to... in order to destroy both of them at the same time, mr. volodymyr, to you and, yes, moreover, i mean literally, these arguments were not only used as a mask,

they were actually for... thank you, volodymyr lyashenko, a representative of the national council in the autonomous republic of crimea and in the city of sevastopol , joined our conversation, and what aydern said, these are important, it seems, such small moments, simply about how we perceive each other, what we call each other, not to make an element... of mistakes in each other's languages, this is also extremely important, this is education, this is approximately how to say that , let's say, not ukrainians, but ukrainian slavs, this is full of nonsense, that's how i perceive it this name, the crimean tatars, what kind of tatars, where are the tatars from, yes, and immediately after pause, we will definitely talk about what is happening in the educational system of our country and why rationalization is... not always

good, in particular, when it comes to such sensitive issues as relocated universities from temporarily occupied territories. why the merger of the taurian national university with any other higher education institution of our country is a very debatable issue, and now it is being raised at the highest level. all this in a moment. there are 20% discounts on evcalor. in pharmacies plantain, pump and oskad. a person who fell into a coma will learn the news, spartacus lied to everyone saturday, my girlfriend and her mother will come here, my girlfriend will also be here, my grandmother will be there, let's maybe play something, show your google search history, the real search history, we are definitely playing, there were some elections.

15% in pharmacies, plantain bam and oschadnik. we continue the joint project of the tv channel and the atr tv channel, together beraber, with you khrystyna yatskiv and ayder muzhdabaev, and as promised, now we will talk about the processes in the educational process in our country, and we will certainly start with what is happening now, a certain optimization in the context of higher education institutions, it is connected with not the most pleasant ones.

with such symptoms arising from the war, i.e., a smaller number of applicants in general in ukraine, those obtaining higher education, this leads to the fact that some higher education institutions become ineffective, and their existence, well, let's say, impose an additional financial burden on the state, but here it is very important, you know, to separate the sinful from the righteous and to understand where this optimization can really take place. and where is this story about the almost liquidation of one of the oldest universities in our country, universities which was relocated from the temporarily occupied crimea, this is the tavri national university, which now has an idea to unite with the mogilian university, as far as we understand, i don't know how much it is from a professional point of view, how it looks, like optimization, maybe people who have it there came up with it, they

didn't have anything bad in mind, they wanted to do it better, how to do it better, but i just don't look at it as an educator, but as what is the effect of this, well, let's say, counter-propaganda, ukraine, what what russia will tell the residents of crimea what they will say propagandist, here is your ukraine, and the only crimean university, which... well, she legally and physically partially evacuated and thus resumed its work in kyiv, she cancels it, destroys it, everything is nothing, nobody needs you, ukrainian patriots in crimea, that is, it is a signal to whom and what signal, that is, it did not work out, you know, something did not work out with this, something went wrong with this university, so let it be, let it be gone, that is, the only one...