it's a cold, harsh winter, and yesterday they said at school, darkness creeps under the gates of the capital, the stranglers of our will. there were no tears in the mother's eyes, she took out a woolen scarf, and gently wrapped the hood around her neck, so that her son would not catch a cold over time, as he walked the cobblestones of his native city, a city of three quarters of a million people. no one in the squad ever asked why we were going. only 300, and over there beyond the dnieper is a plain, a plain, and the snow , oh, it’s looming, and it’s ravenous, like a locust, the enemy’s moscow onslaught, black, red blanketed snow, the day was writing glory in ukraine, we fought until the last one fell, a young man in a woolen scarf, the information day

of the tv channel, well, there are quite a lot of events today, an extremely important meeting was held, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, kuleba, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, sierto and the minister of foreign affairs, oh, and the head of the president's office, yermak, met in uzhhorod, we are waiting for the results of the joint press conference, but it seems, as if it is possible to convince the hungarians, so to speak, with a kind word and a bag of hebrews. so to speak, to become more compliant, well, no one here the european union is going to pay for it to the hungarians, but they can't give money, so i think, well, at least we hope that sierto will hand over to hungary, so to speak, all the important things, all the important points of understanding have been reached with our side. yes, soon we will have the opportunity to add our next guest, pavel lysyanskyi, director of the institute of strategic studies and. the security of the founder of the eastern

human rights group, mr. pavlo is already with us, we welcome you veteri espresso, congratulations, therefore, therefore, let's start with what is happening now in the occupied territories, we know that the invaders are opening up the apartments of so-called undesirable citizens in the occupied territories, in the luhansk and donetsk regions of the occupation administration they are conducting apartment-by-apartment searches, and so on, what do you actually know now about ... certain repressive measures by the occupation authorities in the occupied territories, what exactly are the methods of terror and blackmail they use against people in these territories, and we ask you to clarify what this all means? well you need first of all, pay attention to the fact that now to the temporarily occupied territory, if a person goes from third countries, that is, not from ukraine, but, for example, from europe or from kazakhstan or from other territories there. accordingly, he

can pass only through sheremetyevo, i.e. the checkpoint at the sheremetyevo airport in the russian federation, others, there are no other opportunities for citizens of ukraine to enter the russian federation, that is, there is no, and accordingly there are extensive filtering measures, a team is sitting there. border guards the fsb and they check, that is, there is an enhanced check, they can even invite a polygraph, that is, a lie detector, that is, they check deleted messages, and that’s it, well, deleted messages in messengers are looking for a positive attitude towards ukraine or a pro-ukrainian position, confirmation, and accordingly, and if they found a ukrainian song there or a correspondence with...

a pro-ukrainian character there by key words, they forbid you to enter, they simply forbid everything, and they don't let you in, they don't arrest you, yes, that is, but they don't they let you in, they deport you from the russian federation, forbid you to enter, in fact, as they did after the announcement of the annexation of the occupied territories of ukraine, they believe that the occupied territory of ukraine is their territory, therefore, on these grounds, they are for... ukraine, which are not did not agree to issue a passport, yes, that is, they deported them. they hand over the lists of deportees to the occupation administrations. the occupation administrations and the occupation fsb in cities in the occupied territories conduct apartment-by-apartment inspections of who lives in their apartments, if apartments are posted, there is no one there, they simply take them all to themselves in maneuverable funds. then they are placed there or

, well, someone is placed there or sold, there are different cases , yes, accordingly, if someone lives there, then they check all the people, if there are children there with grandparents from... they live with their grandfather or grandmother, the children are taken away, that is, they are deported later, in general, as of somewhere in the middle of january 2024, from october 16, 2023, from this very day it was announced that entering the occupied territory of ukraine is possible only through the checkpoint sheremetieva, yes, that is, they deported more than 300 people, yes, that is, well, it’s actually... they deported 50 people there every day, prohibited entry accordingly, and now all the processes, that is, they are ongoing, this is one of those repressive methods , how the occupiers act, that is, they are actually those people who did not agree, did not agree to formulate

a passport for a citizen of the russian federation, there is a pro-ukrainian position, they are just trying to do so, mr. pavle, and if we talk about the statistics, how many citizens of ukraine they... they shoved it in russian passports, but look, here, well, they claim that already 90%, yes, that is, they have received passports of citizens of the russian federation, these statistics do not correspond to reality, because first of all, they, first of all, here they are at these elections of the dictator putin again they allowed voting with ukrainian passports, moreover, in pseudo-elections in the occupied territories... well, in september 2023 , they also allowed voting with ukrainian passports, the question is, if 90% of you have passports, why do you allow voting with ukrainian passports? firstly, secondly, he lives there

, that is, the number there has already decreased, accordingly, the russians do not even have half of the passported population in the occupied territories, and accordingly, what do they do, they are just those people who do not want to receive a russian passport, they forbid entry , thereby reducing the comparative number of citizens of ukraine living in the occupied territories of ukraine, so that the number of citizens who received this passport was higher due to the fact that they simply prohibit entry to those people who have a ukrainian passport, that's how they try to... do everything in order to later tell the whole world that only those who have received a russian passport live in these territories, well, while we 're talking, it arrived information that in the process of preparing putin's self-appointment to a position in the temporarily occupied territories, the russian

interventionists have already sent additional forces of the russian guard there, the police have to ensure security by collaborators from the so-called polling stations, as well as to bypass ukrainians, during so the so-called manifestation of will. it is important for the russians to draw the turnout in the elections, that is why they allowed voting by the place of residence, and the police will be engaged in forcing ukrainians to vote for the russian dictator and also protect traitors. this was reported by the center of national resistance. well, quite telling information, which was released by the center of national resistance. and i have the following question. and this is the occupation policy in various areas, well, for example, there is a university. donetsk region, or in the occupied zaporizhzhia part of the region, or in the occupied part of zaporizhzhia kherson region, it is somehow different, or they, so to speak, put watchers from the power bloc behind all the newly occupied, temporarily, of course, regions of ukraine. look, now to

date we have made a report and in the report we have provided complete, biographical data of the entire leadership of the security forces. occupiers in the temporarily occupied territories everywhere, now the national guard, the police , the prosecutor general's office, the investigative committee, the fsb are managed exclusively by citizens of the russian federation who have never previously worked for a temporary in the occupied territories of ukraine, this is an algorithm, a norm for them, and now they are conducting such an operation there to clean up all collaborators who worked in the period from 2014 to 2000. in the 22nd year, they systematically clean out everyone there, or remove them from their positions, if they are simply removed from their positions, if someone has some kind of political cover there, or they are simply locked up in prison and that's it, that is , only citizens of the russian

federation are appointed to these positions, and let's say law enforcement agencies, that is, they only work and manage there citizens of the russian federation of collaboration. can still remain somewhere approximately in the lower or middle echelon of the structural division of the occupiers, well, the reason is that they increase the number, the number... of the power, precisely the power organs, namely, well, for example , the rosgvardiya, the rosgvardiya is such a tool the political police, it performs all the dirty work, in relation to repressions against the ukrainian-speaking population in the occupied territories, the vast majority of crimes committed against ukrainians in the occupied territories are the rosguard, that is, they they conduct searches, they carry out, let's say, intimidation, they co- every day, every day, they have a physical,

psychological, or other negative impact on the ukrainian-speaking population, these are, you know, these are the hands, the bloody hands of the fsb, this is the russian guard, so it is significant that they are strengthening it, because they are acting according to the scenario of holding the 2023 elections of pseudo-elections in the occupied territories, we have two reports on this and they are. open access, viewers can familiarize themselves with them and imagine themselves. thank you, pavlo lysyanskyi, director of the institute of strategic of research and security, the founder of the eastern legal and human rights group was at eterispress. now we will take a short break, after which we will return to our studio to discuss important topics, in fact, the latest statements of zelenskyi, including the people's deputy of ukraine will join our studio remotely online, so stay with us for a few minutes and we will be back. tired of heavy and bulky saws,

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the information day of the tv channel continues, with us. contact dmytro natalukha, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on economic development. glory to ukraine, mr. dmytro, we congratulate you, glory to the heroes, my congratulations. well, there are a lot of topics for discussion, well, let's start, so to speak, with socially important, although there are no socially unimportant topics. therefore, the head of the servant of the people party, olena shulyak, said that the authorities will take into account the wishes of business representatives in the matter of reservations in the new law on mobilization. according to her, there are now a large number of specialties, business workers, without whom one or the other can stop entrepreneurial activity, so the question of mobilization and fair reservation was one of the key issues during the meeting of the ukrainian business council, which unites 19 business associations working in different directions. i quote: when the draft law on mobilization will again be considered by the verkhovna

rada for people's deputies, it will be important to assess how the procedures related to reservations are currently prescribed. the procedure needs some improvement, so we would like to ask you to comment, yes, thanks, look, well, this is really one of the most critical questions, our number one task, of course, is to ensure mobilization, but the number two task is to ensure the fact that there is something to pay for this mobilization and with which to settle, accordingly, this leads us to the conclusion that what should be done... the conditions are such that the business would continue to work and pay taxes, because i will simply remind you that the armed forces of ukraine is one of the few states that is still fully financed from the state budget, that is, exclusively from the taxes paid by ukrainians. exist the 76th resolution of the cabinet of ministers, which provides for the possibility of reservation for strategic

enterprises there according to several criteria: the volume of exports, the total volume of production, its strategic nature, but the problem is that the funnel is narrow enough, and this the first story, the second story , it's er, let's say this, it doesn't always help the state to get er additional revenues to the budget in order to finance the same armed forces, accordingly, work is underway on a concept that will allow business... will allow businesses themselves can determine which employees they want to ban from their premises in order to continue to provide goods and services without interruption and pay taxes accordingly, but at the same time increase aid to the armed forces in the form of a fixed amount of military levy every month for

one employee, there is a discussion with the business about exactly what amount it should be. and different figures are heard, of course, from 6 to 50 00 uah, there are businesses that are not ready to pay more than 6.00 uah per month per person, there are businesses that are ready to pay 50 00 hryvnias per month for a person , that is exactly the dialogue that is ongoing now, but what about fops, what about fopam, or fops can also book employees, well, relatively speaking, an individual entrepreneur who is ready to pay 20 or 40 00 uah per month, cannot be excluded from this equation, because they are also active participants in e economic processes, well, for example, fops, whose income is... the income is more than the profit, sorry, more than 40 thousand, 45 00 uah per month, almost 250-260 thousand of them throughout the country, and of course

that they also pay tax on it and have the same right to claim reservation, this is the model that basically equalizes, this is the right, regardless of where you are, what exactly you produce, which one you have the amount of salary, if you can justify your need to be more efficient at work in the rear, then you may have such a right. mr. dmytro, i would like to ask you whether there has already been a reaction from the ministry of defense of ukraine, or the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, or from, i don't know, profile representatives of the cabinet of ministers, were certain consultations carried out at the appropriate level, in general, what was the feedback from certain, so to speak, circles? look, we had a meeting and a discussion, and we are in communication with the ministry of defense, with the general staff, with their representatives, of course, the main task

is not to have any negative influence on disrupting the mobilization process, i.e. we understand that this initiative should, let's say, strengthen it at the expense of additional funds, through which the ministry of defense will be able to stimulate both conscripts and active servicemen, the issue is that mobilization must ensure rotation, in order for these new people to enter the ranks of the armed forces, again there must be funds for their maintenance, there must be funds for their monetary provision, there must be funds for their training, and it is these funds that are proposed to be raised through an additional payment from business in the form of a military levy, then... so there is no strong objection, there is an understanding of this process, but once again we are still in dialogue, because the topic is not easy

, it concerns human lives, it is always difficult, there will always be a lot of injustice, and therefore to say that tomorrow we will come out with a ready-made solution, well, that will also be false, well, at least it is time for an answer , mr. dmitry, because in fact we understand that the military might not be happy with this decision either, if, relatively speaking, some people will be able to... pay a certain amount, be booked, and not go to fight, but we understand that now in current conditions there is none simple solutions, only complex ones, and here we have to choose, but if we are also talking about assistance to idps, ms. iryna voreshchuk also stated that partners demand that we optimize these costs, do you know anything about how will this optimization happen? to be honest, i can’t comment on this topic, because i’m there right now , these ... commas are completely almost immersed in the topic in the topic, precisely the issue of reservation and financial assistance, the aspect of mobilization, so

i can’t comment, but just adding to to your reply, yes , i want to emphasize this once again, the task is not to prevent the military from recruiting the necessary number of people in any way, we all perfectly understand that the number of people they need must be provided, ours is to provide them with additional a source of funds in order for them to be able to implement the task. mr. dmytro, regarding the procedure, for example, the adoption of a new booking procedure, we understand that now there was only one valid booking procedure, and which, for example, are still needed, i don’t know, moments to pass, that is, it would not be a by-law, it is, as far as i understand , the procedure that is determined by the cabinet, look, i do... i think that we will make this decision after at least the concept is approved at the level, at the level of factions and groups, at the level of the cabinet of ministers and at the level

of the state leadership there, because well, this is quite a responsible story, and before voting for it there, as well as for mobilization, they should be, i think, informed as much as possible about new opportunities of this model and also potential risks. ago, maybe it will be a draft law, maybe it will be a resolution of the cabinet of ministers, at the moment , well, i honestly can't say for sure, mr. dmytro, we would also like to clarify with you, there was information in the press that the draft law on mobilization can be submitted to consideration of the parliament on february 6, it is very soon, are there already certain developments and do the parliamentarians already know when this draft law will actually be brought up for consideration, will it be a revised version of the previous one that was brought up, or will it... be a completely new draft law from the submission of the president or someone another? to be honest, i do not have such information, so as of

now, we have not received any drafts or drafts or drafts of the new law on mobilization for commenting or study, so there is no information, dear mr. dmytro, yet i wanted to ask you about the story with the ukrainian businessman mazepa and, accordingly , the reaction of the ukrainian public, of our president volodymyr zelenskyi to this case and not only to this case, well, they are creating... an appropriate body that would have so to speak, help entrepreneurs to function, well, so to speak, react to one or another, not to the end, perhaps justified reactions on the part of our extremely active law enforcement agencies, is there already some, i don't know, understanding, how is it all worked, we understand that law enforcement officers have one story, they have one standards, well , businessmen have different standards, and the key story is to protect some from others. if

we talk about the functioning of the business and the reaction of our foreign partners, but look, well, there are several positions here, yes the first position is that it would be strange if we had weak law enforcement agencies or weak secret services during war, but this power that they acquire under these conditions, of course, leads to abuse, especially when there is no certain balancing tool. which from time to time can, shall we say, bring them down to earth. in my understanding , this council of entrepreneurs under the president will try to become such a balancing tool, because we are, as an example, once again financing the armed forces of ukraine by business and those who paid how much in taxes for these two, for these two years, we understand that the last thing to do is to laugh at the phrase economic front, that is, it is

really a vital necessity. players in the state , i mean business, and which ones are really involved in the fact that ukraine still maintains its defense and liberates and liberates territories, so in this context, it will probably be an attempt to balance relations between law enforcement agencies and business, while understanding that during the war the risks that... in the country may be illegally financed or illegally secured there one or the other, let's say yes , ambiguous, ambiguous, from russia's point of view, history , they exist, and as for the reaction, it seems to me absolutely healthy, a lightning-fast reaction took place, the fact that business came to these meetings and agreed to enter these

councils, well... the same it seems to me that it indicates that the proposal is relevant enough, well , the main story, mr. dmytro, that the reaction from the law enforcement agencies should be appropriate, so we understand, well, that there can be a reaction from the business environment, and the law enforcement officers will say, well, no , we will be to move this way and that, well, look, the law enforcement officers will of course also take their position, i think that the last er the last act, which... the decree signed by the president, regarding the creation of the "made in ukraine" platform, it will include as well as representatives of law enforcement agencies in the process of communicating with business, but what was definitely created, which did not exist before, is this platform, directly, which, on which representatives of the office and representatives of the national authorities will now be present, and representatives of the legislative power, i.e. this will thank you, thank you.