which indicates that, well, as well as the chinese tiktok, which indicates that this is probably not such a safe information territory, such a safe information platform, so pay attention to this, and also be very careful with the messages of telegram channels, where there is a hundred percent guarantee from certain sources from serious people there is information that spreads on social media, it may be true, but let's always wait for official information or at least have three independent sources, these are just rules to follow, then life will be short. it's easier, thank you for being with us, i say goodbye to you until tomorrow, i remind you, my name is vasyl zima, well, in just a few moments, the verdict program, meet, good evening, we are from ukraine, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy ordenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health for the next two hours. we are talking about ukraine, the world,

the war and our victory. today in the program. million army. zelensky expects a fair mobilization law. tcc inspections are ongoing in the regions. powerful step to meet kuleba met with szijjártó against the background of the encroachments of the hungarian far-right on ukrainian lands. help is delayed. washington is changing its military strategy. kyiv, how does the border issue in texas increase problems for ukraine? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with people's deputy of ukraine, colonel of the security service of ukraine roman kostenko, diplomat oleksandr khara and director of the institute of world politics yevgeny magda. in the second part of our program, political scientists vitaliy kulyk, oleksiy holobutskyi and volodymyr fisenko. however, before starting our big one. the conversation, let's watch

the video of the spectacular destruction of the enemy tank t-80 fpv by drone, was organized by the operators of the unmanned separate, drone operators of the 71st separate hunting brigade of the airborne assault troops. let's see. friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video, subscribe to our pages on these platforms, and also take part in our vote, today we ask you this, do you allow freezing of the war in ukraine, well, i mean the war with russia. yes, no, please

vote on the youtube channel with the corresponding buttons yes, no, or write your comments to this vote below this video, if you are watching us on tv, you can vote if you allow the freezing of war with russia, 0800- 211381, no, 0800-211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, call us, it's important. to know your opinion and it is important to know what you think about it, because there has been a lot of talk over the last few days, in particular in the western audience, and western experts talked a lot about the fact that they say ukraine can join the north atlantic alliance if it gives up part of the territories occupied by the russian federation. we are in touch with a people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the committee. of the verkhovna

rada on national security, defense and intelligence, sbu colonel roman kostenko. mr. colonel, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good day, come on. well, first of all, you just got to that point, when everyone is discussing the resignation, probable resignation of valery zaluzhny from the post of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. several sources of information appeared, which began to spread ot... that's why , in both telegram channels and social networks, ukrainian pravda writes with reference to its sources in the national security council that the president's office is considering the resignation of the serviceman, but there is no order that he as if they offered to go somewhere as an ambassador, but he refused, at the moment, there is no kaza, and the ministry of defense wrote, no, this is not true, you, i think, as a person who knows everything, can you a... either confirm or

deny this information, well, you are a person who knows everything, no one knows everything, especially when such, let's say, decisions are made, they are made. at the level of, let's say this, several people, i think, first of all, the president, and therefore there is no 100% information now, there are many rumors, and the ministry of defense gives an unclear answer, and this is also a signal, if they answered 100% that what , what was expected, that no one there had taken a dirty picture, you could believe it, what they write, well, they are already playing with the people, it's such a... story , you know, not very no, not good this, this message they sent, which is about yes or no, let's wait for the decree, if there is a decree, then we will already understand that 100% , are such negotiations going on, is it possible, but you and i have already heard more than once that

the president wants to do it, we understand, and we heard what candidacies were also considered there , including, let's say, discrediting recently was organized , including diligently, so this, i think, we will find out how it will all be there in an hour, and maybe earlier. mr. colonel, i will formulate the question in a slightly different way: does the hard worker deserve to be removed from the post of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine? well, i will tell you my subjective point of view, we communicate on the committee and we recently... visited, look, we are now where we are now, we have not lost the country, we have become defensive against one of the strongest armies in the world , we won back part of kherson region, kharkiv region and continue the struggle, because at the beginning we had, let's say, russia had much

overwhelming enemy forces and all, so my assessment is that he is in his place, well, by the way, among the information that has been published in the last hour. because i followed it carefully enough, the name of the possible successor of the stalwart in the position of head of the party, kirill budanov, was named, and i think that in this situation, it is unlikely that someone would start playing with names and surnames in this story, because it is i wrote two famous ukrainian journalists, they mentioned that budanov will be the new head of the armed forces of ukraine, if this happens, then... whether this is budanov's position in general and whether budanov is a narrow-profile specialist, you know for sure, because you serve or have served in the sbu, he is in gur, but in any case, well

there is some, there are some capabilities of a person and there is knowledge that he can use, i understand, maybe i am not putting you in a convenient position as a colonel, but well... in this case , i am interested in the opinion to what extent budanov can be the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine ? yes , i would not comment on it to someone there the purpose is to talk there, will he be bad or good, will budanov be bad in the position of commander-in-chief or is he only in intelligence, i will simply say that i have known budanov for a long time, we studied together, he was younger than me in the same company, it was the first an airmobile company of the combined forces... of the military faculty, now the airborne assault in odessa, so we have known each other for a long time, as far as he is concerned as a person, well, he is a special forces officer, he commanded a special forces group at one time, and

after that an intelligence officer in the troops he, well , he did not manage combat units in the armed forces, so here we will say... here there will already be a question of the direct appointment of the president, there the vision of the president, he, let's say, a good general has proven himself, regarding the armed forces, well, let's see, let's see which a decision will be made regarding a specific position there, whether he will be good or bad, what skills he has there, we know one thing that he has never been in the armed forces, never, what decision will be made, we will see and only then evaluate. why let's talk now, if he hasn't been assigned anywhere yet, that is, i understand correctly that you and budanov, well, he is arresting, graduated from the same university, that's right, thank you, colonel, i was once there once, and budanov was a battalion commander , i was a cadet,

he was a battalion commander in the combined military, let's go back to the situation at the front, because one way or another the situation at the front depends on the aid of the united states of america, on western aid... how does it look now on the eastern and southern fronts, considering the fact that in the united states of america itself there will be no way to get to that point when it is necessary to vote. for 61 billion dollars of aid to ukraine, and whether this is a backlash for the armed forces of ukraine that we can still withstand, because i understand that biden is meeting with scholz precisely so that scholz has already insured the americans regarding the provision of military aid to ukraine, so like scholz and biden, they are convinced that ukraine must win this war. well, as for the situation at the front, we see what is happening

here in the south, in principle, the situation is more controlled, yes, of course, the hottest place is exactly where there are shooting battles and where there are direct clashes, these are of course the bridgeheads on the left bank of the dnieper, as a rule, they are secured with the help of artillery and, say, drones, which cover our soldiers , the biggest problem is, of course, the evacuation of the delivery, that is, you can talk about it separately, what is there every day , you can separately describe in a book how it happens from the delivery of reserves there to, say, the evacuation of the wounded and there provisions and all that from starting from the old grandfather's methods to modern technologies, apte is used to ensure that the guys have as much as possible on the platform, this is related to artillery also supports, but of course that... high-precision weapons still play a key role here, what is related

to the east, the situation is difficult there, we know, near avdiivka, in the other direction, the enemy is pushing it, and there, of course, well, probably on the entire front line, it’s just that here we have a river, it’s not felt like that, but on the entire line it’s a lack of ammunition , especially mortar mines there, including 120 mm, despite the fact that we say that... we have already fixed them there, but there are still problems and they must be solved, and all other types of shells, we understand that this war - this is a war of high-precision weapons, and you have to do everything in order not to throw away one target there, not to throw out 10-15 projectiles there, so that everything is hit by one, and then there will be a result. information has appeared, mr. colonel, from the office of the president of ukraine, the press secretary of the president... comments to ukrainian pravda stated that zelensky did not fire

the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, when asked if the president fired zaluzhny, the press secretary answered definitely no, well, we will see, because the information is being updated, they say that there will be an update of the information, we are following these events, well meanwhile, davyd arahamiya, the leader of the servant of the people parliamentary faction, i have this impression , maybe this way... maybe they want to divert attention from something, let's see, no, well, they could just protest how people will react, that too, no very well protested because my phone is red, everyone is writing to me, i know, you know something, and everyone is silent, and when you write, the most important thing is that in such a situation, when you write to high-ranking officials, they are constantly in touch and answer , they probably even connected the phones here, because i even saw that the e-mails were not coming, so they probably didn't want to answer, well, this proves what you said. that several people in the state make decisions and decisions and obviously

it depends on these two or three people and only they know, but this is a situation of dismissal not dismissal very similar to the times of kuchma, because when i was a journalist, information constantly appeared, well, then the internet was not so widespread telegram channels, but that's how oleksandr melchenko was fired there, no, he was not fired, 10 already performing duties were announced there , that there is no-no-no instead of omerchenko. omerelko , the head of the kyiv city administration, well, that is, there were such hardware things before. i want to ask you about david arahami and his statement about talking to people about the losses in the war. true, he said nonsense, as for me, that these losses are not so high, it seems to me that this does not characterize david as the leader of the monomajority. in the verkhovna rada , because no matter how many, no matter how many these losses

, these are human lives, these are families, these are parents, these are sons, these are those who, whom we lost in this war, but he says that it is necessary make public the number of losses, what can the publication of these losses lead to and whether it should be done, what do you think, well, look, we have to talk, yes, as a politician and david as a politician, just what do you want from us and from he should be heard first of all, if from a moral point of view, i agree with you here that yes, every life in the war is... of course a loss for ukraine and usually the best. from the point of view, when we speak , we put all emotions in parentheses, let's say, and talk specifically about losses, as a military component and a component of the fact that we need mobilization there, we need additional staffing, here you can evaluate from the point of view of that big conflict, which is the ratio of

irreversible losses there, which can return, and on based on this i already estimate. let's say the course of the war itself, and directly we have to assess what kind of reinforcements are needed, so i think that he meant exactly the military point of view when he said, of course, well, when you say it on the air, you have to take into account that you politicians will quote you, that's why, of course, and you and i, when you ask me such a question, the question of loss, i have to evaluate from a military point of view... and say why should they be made public, i think that in order to our society is somewhere in itself the head greatly overestimates the actual losses , which are real in our country, which is probably why he says that they should be voiced, why,

because when we talk about mobilization there now, probably many of those... those who listens to this, they think, when, for example , the president says that 500,000 is needed, everyone thinks that it is probably irreversible losses of 500,000, but it is not so, in reality, that is why people here think that it is in we have such losses, and david knows what losses really are, maybe he understands that if he says it, then people they will begin to perceive their stay there in the armed forces in a different way, i think that is the answer. mr. colonel, over the past few days , zelenskyi's interview with the ard has been very strongly promoted, where he talked about the fact that our army is now 800,000 people, and in principle, well, almost to millions, he said, and he said that in principle, in we have the most powerful

army, and then a completely logical question arises, well, for some reason he does not continue this logical series, that these 500... thousand who want to be recruited into the armed forces, they should be recruited within a year or two there in order to to change who is already at the front. this is the story with the mobilization law , the issue of mobilization in general, was and remains, this is the problem, well, number one, how, which is being discussed in society, whether there will be an answer to the question of what the mobilization will be, when it will be, how many people will be called up, or we will... hold it next week, because on february 6 it was announced that another draft law from the government will be considered in the council. you know, we always criticize everyone right away, when someone says the word mobilization on the air, you support it, you don't support it, no one listens, they tell you right away that

your parents are going there, and your children, everyone is going there, and you yourself go there, therefore, immediately understanding what will be there... emotions, i answer that according to my information, the draft law should be submitted in the near future, but to what extent everything is changing, you know, here is the information today that there at the committee, including, we talked about it, that the nearest time should be in order to vote, there are all different versions given, some say for the basis, some say for base and in general want to vote for it immediately, so i think that in the near future time if nothing changes. what changes we are making there, it will be submitted, and then the council will sort it out, vote, and it will go to the committee there, we will see what was written there, because there were some previous versions, but they said that they were not final, the deputies after that submitted their remarks or suggestions there, so i think that in the near future we will find out everything, and what

will be his fate, well, we will see that in the hall, well, it is very difficult to predict something at this time. do you remember the last time it was served they wanted him there, well, the scheme changed five times a day, what we do with him next, as a result he went back to the government, so we'll see, it's hard to predict now, we'll wait until the draft law is submitted by the government to verkhovna rada. thank you, colonel, for the conversation, it was sbu colonel, people's deputy of ukraine roman kostenko. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on ours. platforms on youtube and facebook, for those who watch us live on youtube and facebook, no save money, please like this video, and also vote in our poll, today we... ask you about the following: do you allow the freezing of the war in ukraine? yes, no, please vote on youtube with two buttons, either yes or no, write your comment about what you

think, and of course, if you watch us on tv, you can call the number if you think , which may be frozen in the war with russia, 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, call at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, and there is information, well, it is constantly clarified during our broadcast about these rumors about the alleged dismissal of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, the press secretary of president zelenskyi answered the question of the ukrainian truth about did the president sign a decree on the dismissal of the head of the committee, the president did not dismiss the head of the committee, serhiy nekifarov said, and... earlier, one of the sources of ukrainian truth in the national security and defense council reported that they were duly summoned and offered another position, maybe the ambassador somewhere, he refused

, there is no decree, well, so far this information is not confirmed, it is denied by the office of the president of ukraine, although it is a little late, in my opinion, because for about an hour and a half this topic of the possible resignation of the meritorious officer has been discussed in the telegram channel. in social networks, and of course, everyone is interested in knowing the position of the office of the president of ukraine and the commander-in-chief, the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi. next , oleksandr khara, diplomat, expert on foreign and security policy, will be on our air center for defense strategies. mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, mr. sergey, nice to see you. each other mr. oleksandr, what about these rumors about the resignation of the commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, how do they affect our relations with our western partners, is it permissible in communications, in public

communications, regarding a person who leads the army during a war, etc. pauses, communication breakdowns, not responding quickly, pretending we don't know what to think, or we are testing society, how society will react to such information. well, of course, this is not a completely normal situation, maybe it's just gossip, maybe it's really probing for information, but in any case, well , we know what else napoleon said about the fact that there are no people who cannot be replaced, or said about the cemetery, yes, which is full of irreplaceable people, but in any case, if such a decision is made, then it is necessary to understand on the basis of what and who instead, that is, what plans, the main thing with us is not the personality as such, although certainly bright. it is very good, and the tasks that are in front of her and the plans or strategies that this person can develop and

then implement, so of course it would be good if there were no rumors, it would be good if such an important decision , if it is accepted, it would be in consultation, at least informing our key partners, so that it is not from, let's say, informational sources, but directly in a confidential... form discussed with our partners, then it will be normal, and now, well, let's hope that these are rumors, if not, then it will be necessary to explain to our authorities, well, justify this decision, well, and accordingly, who can replace such a person who is the personification of the resistance of ukrainians, that is, there are not only his professional abilities, but also such a reputation that he has earned, well it is partly possible, you know, we all believe in and love for... the armed forces of ukraine, the defense forces of ukraine, and of course, that mr. zaluzhny himself would present them. mr. oleksandr, we are all waiting for

the decision of the congress of the united states of america regarding the allocation of 61 billion dollars to ukraine in the form of military aid assistance, and the issue has so far been suspended in the united states of america, we see how the election campaign is gaining momentum there, we see how the situation is unfolding in texas, and how 25 governors, republicans, are calling on the central government to intervene in this story, in parallel we still see how the story unfolds with the attack on the base in syria, the american army, and john kirby said that the united states of america does not want a wider war with iran, but must answer for the death of three american military service that is, in america itself now there are enough internal problems that have moved from the election campaign, or

in general to americans now to us and to... this help, taking into account trump's statements, taking into account the situation , which is quite difficult in the middle east, and taking into account the fact that what is happening on the border with mexico. well, indeed, we are now observing turbulence in the united states, even with elements of such chaos, and we have become hostages, well, in fact, this political struggle is being instrumentalized ukraine, because of course there is, especially in the house of representatives. a bunch of trumpians who want to deprive ukraine of aid altogether, but in general there is a bicameral and bipartisan consensus on aid to ukraine, at least that is what the senators and leaders say, the head of the republican minority in the senate and representatives of the special committees, the same mike johnson, the speaker of the house of representatives , he also says that it is necessary to help ukraine, he compared ... and

in general this aggression against us with the second world war, here, but his position it is absolutely clear how to first solve the problems of the united states, and then ukraine. well, of course, the most important thing , which we still don't know, are only certain comments, whether trump has decided, despite the fact that the republicans and democrats in the senate have agreed to a compromise reform of migration policy, which is the last time. .. was carried out in 1986, did he decide to torpedo it in order to keep this topic hot during the election campaign. i will literally name a few numbers, they just show that there is understanding on the one hand americans that this is a serious problem. 35% of americans believe that the problem of migrants and illegal immigrants is the most acute in this election race, followed by inflation at 32%.

and only there somewhere at the end of 25% is jobs or the economy, here, but at the same time only 17% of americans feel for themselves this worsening situation is related to illegal immigrants, and this gap between 35 and 17, it shows that this is politicking, that there is an escalation of accusations and actions, especially what we see in the state of texas, in order to feed this one. holding trump, because he says that if he is just elected president, he will do everything much better, that no deal is better than a bad deal, that is, if trump decides to act in this way, then of course we have problems, and we will to hope that there is a plan b among the congressmen and actually within the congress, and there is a plan seven, roughly speaking, if the congress will not be

able to do something at all. xi's plan, for example, can be seen as a vote in the senate foreign relations committee on the bill about the transfer of frozen russian assets in ukraine, and then, of course, we will feel much better and we will be able to buy the same weapons from the americans, even if trump decides when he becomes president, or if he becomes president, to stop such assistance, so i hope washington is thinking about it, and for the biden administration , ukraine is extraordinary. of course he'd like to show some success on the campaign trail, he's now stressing that the issue should be non-partisan because it's world system, it is a question of the struggle of democracy, authoritarian regimes, here, but we understand that trump uses populist, very often demagogic slogans, and it is impossible to change something, well, with trump. there was information from zelenskyi, mr.

oleksandr, that... the address, or rather, the president of ukraine, he did not say a single word about the release of the servant, well, that is, as expected, but instead zelenskyi spoke about trump and what he would like to hear the plan of the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, donald trump, regarding the end of the war in ukraine in 24 hours and would be happy if this plan was effective. let's listen to what zelensky said in an interview with ard. well, i'll talk to him, and you know me, i'm a completely honest person, and i'll definitely be able to say that after the meeting, i 'll tell you honestly, if his format or his formula leads to peace, he's got 24 hours , i will be a very happy president until...