impossible, there was information from zelenskyi, mr. oleksandr, that in the evening address, or rather, the president of ukraine, he did not say a single word about the release of zaluzhnyi, well, that is, as expected, but instead zelenskyi spoke about trump and what he would like to hear the plan of the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, donald trump, to end the war in ukraine in 24 hours, and would be happy if this plan came to fruition. let's listen to what zelensky said in an interview with ard. well, i'll talk to him, and you know me, i'm a completely honest person, and i will definitely be able to say that after the meeting. i 'll tell you honestly, if his format or his formula leads to peace, 24 hours is enough for him, i'll be a very happy president.

very happy because i know how many people we lose in one day and therefore i know how much it costs so i will be happy if someone shows how to end wars in 24 hours who knows mr. alexander trump himself repeatedly said that i know putin very well, i know zelenskyi very well, and i need 24 hours to stop the war, at what cost can trump stop the war in ukraine if... if he can, at any cost, because of course it's not a matter of principle for him, he likes big players, he likes an authoritarian leader, he thinks that he with his charisma , unpredictability, he can solve something, we saw that it did not work with the kimchen-in, despite all these romantic meetings in different countries, despite the statements that were there, he actually did not manage to sway the kimchen, to stop his core. rocket

program, we see that now this person already possesses the means of delivering nuclear warheads as far as continental america, so of course we cannot exaggerate his negotiation skills or we will say, we understand who trump is, well, we also understand that he is an unpredictable person , if he feels that he can have something from ukraine, i mean in a positive sense, some kind of victory, then of course he can... pour himself on the ukrainian side, but i have my doubts, because first, most importantly, his base needs to be the united states focused on themselves, he says that we don't need these endless soldiers, he says about the third world war there, that it should not be allowed and that biden can push it, and of course, i'm sorry, and of course what those around him say, that europe should deal with ukraine and russia. and we should focus

all our resources on restraining china in the vindecan region, this will most likely be such a mindset, but he is not a predictable person and can do whatever he wants, i do not think that by any arguments the ukrainian the president can convince him, and precisely for this, in order to make impossible such a development of events that we will be offered to give away part of the territories, to agree to some non-neutral status there or something like that, we have to cooperate as in the ukrainian soviet union and here, thank god, in we have great support for the euro-atlantic course of ukraine and the fact that the ukrainians are not ready to change the illusory peace on the territory of the russian federation, but we must build strategic communication with the united states and our partners that we are not interested neither in freezing the conflict nor in accepting losses, because this would mean not peace, but a small truce before the next war, and most importantly: these are

precedents for other authoritarian leaders, including siedenpin, that you can fight, you can tolerate sanctions , isolation, but then there, let's say, some president of the united states, the next one will say, well, let 's start with a clean slate, that is, we need to work with the political community, first of all the american one, most importantly with the voters, american, because there are unconscious trumpians who are ideologically opposed to ukraine. and we won't change the arguments for it, but we can reach the hearts and minds of ordinary americans who vote for republicans and who can influence the decision-making of their representatives. today, mr. oleksandr, more detailed information has appeared regarding the visit of vladimir putin to rijep and erdogan to turkey and one of the issues of his visit, which should take place in february. will be the topic of negotiations

with the country's president regarding ukraine, er, speaking about the possibility of resuming peace talks regarding ukraine within the framework of the istanbul format, er... assistant to the president of the russian federation, yuriy ushakov , stated that i can say that the ukrainian issue will most certainly be one of the main subjects of the negotiations, this is what putin and erdogan can talk about ukraine without ukraine? about anything, well, in principle, they have friendly relations, they have pragmatic relations, we understand that turkey helps us, it closed the basford canals in order for... russia not to strengthen its the black sea fleet, it helps, does not recognize the same crimea, helps with weapons, but at the same time it trades with the russian federation, helps to circumvent sanctions and has become a refuge not only for russian expats, but for big russian money, so they will most likely

talk first of all about the economic dimension, the security dimension for themselves, maybe there are some projects in common, for sure the two of them can decide nothing about ukraine... although you know, i would like us to have the istanbul talks, i would like to have we had the black sea oil initiative , that is, to begin with, ukraine must create the conditions for a blockade of the black sea ports of the russian federation, as we are now striking at the oil refining infrastructure on russian territory, then we must actually create a blockade in order to create such as we have there were two... negotiating groups along the grain corridor, the un, russia, turkey, ukraine, russia, ukraine-turkey, the un, and where would we check those ships that go to the black sea ports of the russian federation, so that there are no weapons, any dual purpose goods, then

they looked at those ships that export russian oil, so that they export them insured in western companies, this is the first thing, and secondly, that the contracts are not higher than the price ceiling that... the countries of the group of seven, as well as other countries have introduced, it seems to me, that istanbul will be a very good place for such negotiations. mr. oleksandr, two more events of the last few days, when our neighbors from hungary and romania declared that they claim our territory, in hungary, the leader of the hungarian party, of the far-right hungarian party mich. azank, lászló torotskaya stated that his party, as the only hungarian party, would claim ukrainian transcarpathia in case of loss of ukrainian statehood as a result of the war. well, one of the leaders of the ultra-right alliance for the union of romania, claudia tarziu, announced

territorial claims to the ukrainian lands of northern bukovina, transcarpathia, bessarabia, as well as the whole of moldova, what the leader of the ultra-right alliance for the union of romania said. we won't really. sovereign, until we reintegrate the romanian state, its natural ones borders bessarabia must return home , northern bukovina cannot be forgotten, southern bessarabia, herza, transcarpathia, everything that belonged and belongs to the romanian nation, the borders of the state must return, this is an ideal that we must not forget, stefan's moldova must be at home, in romania actually claims transcarpathia, and i see that the representative of the leaders of the ultra-progressive party is also in favor of the union. from the romanians, can we say that these statements, which sounded synchronously, that they could be coordinated from one center, well, for example, from the kremlin, and in this way they are now playing the card that there are political forces of romania, hungary, which encroach on

the territorial integrity of ukraine, and this plan, which was pushed in russia from the very beginning and was repeated very often, that poland will take it there. for themselves galicia, there, uh, hungarians, transcarpathia, romanians will take bukovyna, and what, they just keep bothering with this topic in order to show that everyone wants to tear ukraine to pieces. well, you know, first of all, there are politicians in certain countries who don't, let's say, don't lessons or not conclusions from history that their country for a long time in... chose the wrong side and then suffered as a result of this bad choice, such as territorial division or some other things, and it seems to me that these politicians should think about it . the second point, of course, that we have to react, despite the fact that these are marginal politicians, but at least

if we talk about romania, romania is extremely important for us and it is extremely positive towards us, it does not announce many things, what does, and because... of course, the leadership and the romanian people clearly understand the threats that the russian federation poses and including to them, not only to us, here, but the fact that it is synchronized, that in... this is a certain scenario, well , i hope, as for this member of the european parliament, information has just appeared that she worked for the russian special service for 20 years, after a certain time we will see e-mails, and possibly monetary settlements, as received by these representatives or their parties in order to promote this property, because we understand that in spite of ourselves it is difficult, but if there is a conflict, then with... the armed forces of ukraine can definitely solve the issue with the representatives of these countries,

there is definitely no question here, we do not have aggressive intentions towards our neighbors, but we will definitely be able to solve any what is the question, if there is an encroachment on our territory from their side, therefore one should be calm about such statements, but the diplomats need to react, of course in the media, that this is not... unacceptable, and that the relevant officials of these states should also react and confirmed that they are committed to european values, norms and principles of international law, european law, and that they support ukraine in this fight against the illegal, unjust aggression of the russian federation against ukraine. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was the diplomat oleksandr khara, friends, we continue to work live on tv. espress and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who watch us

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the communication failure of the next government in connection with the so-called resignation of a meritorious person, or i don't know, maybe it was a spoiler of this resignation, maybe they are testing society, what what it was, first, you've been following this story, i hope, and that's the first, and the second, why the authorities could not... comment for so long, i.e. it was enough to call any publication there, including ukrainian pravda or rbc ukraine, with those publications with which they cooperate actively, and say that no, this is not true, literally because a minute after this information was posted on the social network, this information would not have gained the momentum we are seeing now, you know, mr. serhiu, this situation is actually not... just a sentence to the authorities, to a large extent, well, a statement that

we do not have everything in the information component good, but it is a statement that not everything is good in our society, because we can love or not love someone, but in the conditions of war, when we pick up such messages without waiting for their official release, it shows that... that that with critical thinking and strategic communication we are not doing well, i would say very bad, we have to honestly admit that in the conditions of war it is extremely difficult to improve strategic communication and critical thinking, because in this way our state propaganda is undermined, but... when we have there are two, let's say, communication

failures in just one week, the first failure was around il-76, because ukraine's position turned out to be, well, i would say, losing compared to russia's. russia made a bet on the fact that it was... flooding the information space of the west with various versions, it worked in the same way as during the situation with mage 17. and simply flooded with various, well really various, from absurd to almost realistic versions, at that time, as there was a regime of practical silence in ukraine, this is bad, it shows that for more than 700 days of a large

-scale russian invasion, we, as a state... have not had time to create an adequate response system in such situations, this is bad, bad, i emphasize, for all of us, regardless of our political sympathies, regardless of our views, regardless of from what we see ukraine as, if we see it as independent, then we take care of it in conditions of war. we should talk about it, we should support its authority in the international arena. if this does not happen to us, then we become a laughingstock in our eyes adversaries, in the eyes of our strategic partners, in the eyes of those who are wavering on how

to perceive the russian-ukrainian war. we live on the one hand... in a very big, but on the other hand in a very compressed world, where this me was watching the russian, russian information agenda out of the corner of my eye, as soon as they started citing the country there, the ukrainian official authorities should have already reacted, here , you know, creating uncertainty. it is, unfortunately, in the current situation, in fact, the pass of the enemy, because discouragement, undermining trust in our capabilities, is the main weapon of the kremlin, since 2014, in his policy towards ukraine. for at least 10 years, the kremlin

has been betting on this very thing, and this... it should be realized already, but look, here we are talking about what, what russian propagandists use, but on the one hand, and on the other hand, we we see how many public figures , journalists, including bloggers, began to spread this topic, but now i look, there are already refutations of the journalists themselves, or let's say, explanations of why they did it, tsymbalyuk... wrote about the fact that cleaned up he wrote a previous post about the fact that the stalwart was released and budanov will be the next head of the armed forces of ukraine. he writes: the decree enters into force from the moment of its promulgation, if it was not promulgated, it does not mean that there was no such intention, this political decision is very sensitive, it really affects our fate, so at the last moment we were persuaded not to do it. here, in principle, it is not clear where

the testing of society, if it was testing, er... is it, is it a throw-in, or well, it also cannot be that five people there took public figures and put it in their heads, what is it in the mouth or ears that it is necessary to write about it, well, someone leaked this information somewhere and they said that it is already certain, if it was done by those who undermine national security and defense, then they must also answer, because it is one from the elements of a hybrid war against ukraine, so... in such a situation, was the russian federation playing along? well, you didn't write about it yourself, mr. sergey? i did not write because i cannot write about what i do not know, and i did not write because i was waiting, i was waiting for an official decree, if there was one, because i i realize, i repeat again, whether we like it or not, but under these conditions

, such a communication crisis can... quickly turn into a socio-political crisis with serious consequences, i don't want to describe them, but i can imagine them well enough, therefore, everyone has to start from themselves, but here the paradox of the situation is that indeed a number of people, people who are quite authoritative, wrote about it as a fact that happened, a fait accompli, yes. it's their choice, you and i didn't do it, so we did it right, so it's ours the level of information hygiene is higher than theirs, that's all. let's return to zelenskyi , but from the other side, from the side of the draft law on mobilization, because on february 6

, the government must first introduce the draft law on mobilization to the parliament, and president zelenskyi expects a fair law on mobilization from the military leadership, calling for justice for conscripts and digitalization the process of recruitment into the army, let's listen to what... zelenskyi said, i expect the law on fair mobilization from the military today, or an extension, or changes to the law, you can call it differently, in any case, i would like it to be a comprehensive, fair bill, that's all, so their task today is to do it, and that no one says what it is. .. ugh, a popular decision, but not popular, but i think it is important that the military, along with the ministry of defense, prepare

a fair answer to this question, so i asked our military when they prepare this bill, and i asked them, and the deputies, not to have a chance to walk around streets, today there are opportunities to use the digital format, etc. that is, we live in the time of digitalization, and even more so, we are a very digitalized country, we established this process both during the covid and during the war, there are no questions to solve this, this is a modern issue. mr. yevhen, why does the supreme commander -in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine distance himself from the military, he leads them during the war , he directs them, he says: well, what the military will prepare... and it will happen, why does he not take responsibility, this out of context that we are dispersing treason, but it would be quite logical to mobilize - this is the issue of the whole society, the leader of this

society, legally elected is volodymyr zelenskyi, according to the constitution he is the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine, so who should take responsibility for this bill and for the mobilization process, that is, for presenting it to society. ukrainian legislation assigns responsibility for this mobilization to volodymyr zelenskyi, who on may 20, 2024 will celebrate 5 years of his tenure of the presidency. during this time , the powers of the president could be memorized, i think, and understood accordingly. that politicians and the government formed by the people through elections should determine a certain matrix, and the military

should implement it, not vice versa, we do not have a military junta, which the kremlin likes to scare us with, we have a democratic state, just zelensky's team, i don't think that... he himself is so involved in this process, but zelenskyi's team does not understand him very well the fact that, in principle, there are quite a lot of unpopular decisions in ukraine at the moment for one simple reason, because there are no more popular decisions left. the war has been going on for such a long time, so long, that there are simply no popular solutions technically,

and the president will have to act in such a way to carry out effective mobilization, and therefore, accordingly, the question of, for example, the government of national unity, its creation. this is not talk, this is a tool, if you will, an algorithm for spreading how the system of power should work today, because we cannot hold elections during the war, but change the government and restore... the legal model in accordance with the constitution, return from office-presidential to parliamentary-presidential republic.

just commitments, this is our goal for today, we have to really work with it practically, otherwise various negative tests may await us , we must clearly understand for ourselves that one of the tasks of ukraine is not to turn into little russia in this war , and this task is extraordinary difficult, on the one hand, and on the other hand, its successful implementation allows us to count on the help of the west, on the consolidation of ukrainian society, on the transformation, but the position... when the president, as the supreme

commander, you absolutely rightly noted this, says that he, well , it seems to be of no use here, at best it causes laughter, at worst it causes misunderstanding, because our partners are used to the fact that everything must work according to the law, and the president's law in particular. is responsible for mobilization, and he announces it, you understand , well, how come the military, well, that is, i don’t quite like this thesis that the military wants such and such mobilization from me, and i, as zelensky said before at the press conference before the new year, that they demand to mobilize 400-500 thousand people, and i am against it, and

what are we for? that is, well, this is, unfortunately, a situation in which the reluctance to take responsibility simply plays against the president himself, and he will feel it soon enough, because in the conditions of war, the category of social time is very compressed, such but simply... it is necessary to understand that society is exhausted on the one hand, in a state of exhaustion it more sensitively notes for itself what are the similar information tricks that we all face, well, and actually this is, let’s say , an understatement when he talks about mobilization, and this constant hate, which we

saw in vain, spills out into what we saw today, because this is the end , in principle, of these misunderstandings, both public and non-public. literally 30 seconds, mr. eugene, how do you think it will develop is this the story of mobilization and the political and military leadership of the state? i would very much like to see us form a government of national unity and he would take responsibility for introducing this bill. and accordingly demonstrated how political responsibility should work, and further we need this issue, because mobilization is not only a military concept, it is a concept related to the economy, this concept is related to the social system, this concept is related to everyone of us, because first about the fact that the war will last a long time, not defined for a long time, they have to say on the mountain, and

then the citizens have to realize it. thank you, mr. yevhen, it was yevhen magda, director of the institute of world politics. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether you allow the freezing of the war with russia. therefore, intermediate results of 16% allow 84 - no. 15 minutes after the bbc news release, political experts oleksiy holobutskyi, vitaly kulyk and volodymyr fesenko will be on our air. let's talk about zaluzhna and about this resignation. eh, whoever initiated the resignation in quotes, stay with us, we will be back on the air soon. the head of the ministry of foreign affairs of hungary is visiting ukraine against the background of the statements of some right-wing politicians with claims on ukrainian territory. this is a bbc broadcast, jafer umerov is working in the studio in london. yeah, you'll

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