people who left, and they did not return, and they did not return to their work, and this is their right, but if they are citizens of ukraine, they must pay taxes, preferably to ukraine, because we then give this money to our military, our to the soldiers who protect us. zelenskyi also called it wrong that representatives of the central committee walk the streets and look for men who did not come to the military headquarters. that is why, as the president said, he expects a bill on fair mobilization from the military leadership, which, among other things, is not will provide for the delivery of summonses on the streets and will provide for demobilization, only in fairness, at the moment of mobilization , the moment of demobilization is important, many have won back, for many days, there are people who have been on the battlefield for 700 days, i am grateful to them for protecting our state. like every ukrainian

, gratitude is not enough, i think from society, and we need fair rotations, we need to give extensive vacations, we need to give, money cannot cover everything, although wages are high, but nevertheless, we need justice in this direction, and likewise i expect from the military today, the law on fair mobilization, or the continuation or changes to the law. well , you can call it in different ways, in any case, i would like it to be a comprehensive, fair bill. well, i will add that in december of last year, zelenskyi stated that the military considers it necessary to mobilize up to 500 thousand people, the next month the president stated that he does not see the need to mobilize half a million people into the army. the mobilization bill, which will be his second attempt number two, should be considered in the first reading february 6th, right? at least the head of

the servant of the people faction in the parliament, davyd arahamya, said. yevhen dykiy, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, former company commander of the aidar battalion, joins our broadcast. good evening. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. you know, we will talk about justice again now. last time, we also talked about justice in the context of mobilization. well , now the president said that mobilization should be fair, that there is an important moment of demobilization. tell me, right? in general demobilization can be real now, of course, it is not just real , it is necessary, you understand, people have really been fighting for two years, people just, sorry for such a cynical term, but people were physically worn out, people were mentally worn out, that is, this war is terribly exhausting , these are huge fantastic stresses that people endure, go through, and therefore it is necessary to understand, for

reasons of justice, it is definitely important, but also for purely practical military reasons, these people need to be replaced, that is, apart from the fact that it is really it is absolutely unfair that the people who went to defend us in the first months of the invasion have been fighting for almost two years, many will soon be 2 years old, and since the war is dragging on and may last for several more years, it seems that they are now have to fight this war to the end, and if this... the war will last 10 years, well, it means that they just didn't get it, they were just unlucky that they were the first to take this blow, now they have to drag it out until it's unknown when, and the rest, who then remained behind their backs, did not will come to replace them, and will continue to sit behind their backs for years, this is completely unfair, but there is also such a cruel military necessity, these people are losing their fighting capacity, they are, purely physically , far from being in this shape, and by the way, i also take into account ... age, there was, let’s say, a lot of data

that the average age of our fighters is well over 40, well, no one has officially published the statistics, but i will say that, let’s say, based on my personal observations, well, partially this is the effect of the bubble, but only partially, that's it i would like to say that according to my observations it is not 40 plus, it is mostly 50 plus, but recently i returned from the war, won back my own, because unfortunately i returned without... a leg amputee, one of my friends from our antarctic expeditions, yes he was a platoon commander, a platoon consists of 30 soldiers, and he had one thirty-year-old soldier in his platoon, whom everyone called the kid, all the rest were 50 plus, and this is a fairly typical situation for our infantry, that's why you have to understand it , which are purely physical limitations, sorry 40-50-year-old organisms, which are exhausted by two years of combat operations, well, they will simply

fail further, they simply become physically unfit, i am already silent about, let's say, er, about what kind of mental tension it is, therefore the issue of demobilization. categorically necessary, that is, demobilization is necessary, another thing is that we technically cannot afford demobilization in one big wave. in our country , in the spring of the 22nd year , approximately 700,000 people joined the ranks of the armed forces of the armed forces at the same time as the armed forces and other, let's say, defense forces. of course, we are not able to demobilize 700,000 in one wave, as we recruited them then, because i think that even... let's say, a very optimistic person, has no illusions that we are able to recruit 7,000 people to replace them in a couple of months , but there is a sufficiently clear solution here, the bill that was introduced and unfortunately for some reason was withdrawn and

will be transferred, we are waiting when it will finally be transferred, so this is the basic bill that will now be transferred, let me clarify that we do not know this, but... that basic bill, it provided for the establishment the maximum term of service even during the war, it is 36 months, but in this form, it is just 36 months, this is not the working norm, because it simply postpones the problem for one more year, then in a year, it is also necessary to let 700 go home at the same time 000 people, but if this norm is supplemented with the norm that the service life in general is 36 months. but at the same time, a day actually in combat operations, a day at zero is counted as two or three, then everything falls into place, it falls into place, and from the point of view, let’s say that in reality a day of service even a very difficult one, but in logistics units, in security, that is, in the rear

services, a day of service there and a day of service in avdiivka are completely different days, that is, it is also about justice, but from a technical point of view, everyone spent zero. different times, and therefore, if we introduce this norm, which is a total of 36 months, but a day at zero in two, then in this case it will not be necessary to release people at once, but it will be a step-by-step process, someone will be released soon enough, someone after a few months , and those who actually served in the rear units, they will be needed to be replaced after a year, and this is enough time to prepare a replacement for all of them, i just want to focus first on what we are showing now, this is on the weekend results. pickets for demobilization were held in ukrainian cities, wives of soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine came out with small children, and they said, they advocated mobilization after 18 months of service, and what you talked about, about 36 months, you mentioned the draft law, so i remember that when

the first version of the bill was presented, zaluzhnyi came out and said that in the draft law it was agreed to carry out mobilization in 36 months, but under two conditions: the absence of aggravation, this is the first and the second - is it for... the clarity of people with whom the demobilized can be replaced? well, look, about 18 months , unfortunately, it is not serious, 18 and even 24 months, if we adopt such a norm now, it actually means that in the case of 18 months, we should have fired 700 a few months ago thousands of people, and even if we accept 24 months, then somewhere in two months we will face you the need to demobilize 700 thousand people. well, i’m sorry, i understand these women, i understand them in a human way, but they will not bring 700 thousand recruits under the military commissars, and even if they did, these recruits still need to be trained for at least some time, so unfortunately, let’s let's not demand from deputies to vote for a norm

that is then impossible to implement, this is what is called the cheapest form of populism, to vote for something that you actually know will not be implemented, but you voted, well done, and let someone else from... . to fulfill, and 36 months is something that can be done. it is necessary to adopt laws that can be fulfilled from the beginning, and 36 months, but a day at zeros for two, this is what generally makes this norm absolutely alive and working, and problems, problems of accounting there are no such days at all, the fact is that the financial parts of all hfs, they keep this daily record anyway, because the payment at zeros and not at zeros is very different, that is , simply... the reporting of financial parts and the term of service is calculated based on it. and how about another challenge that too zelensky mentioned in his interview, he made it clear that he also does not like these stories of men being hunted, when they are packed in beads, by the employees of the military, and this actually looks

quite a shameful phenomenon, can it be overcome by the beauties, see , it looks extremely ugly, it compromises and discredits the army in general, but ah... you understand why they do it, they were not born so bad, these tsk workers, and forgive me, a year ago they did not do this, you know, a year ago they already did it, they did it a year ago. haven't done in years here we see people who grossly violate the law, we see people who do absolutely ugly things, we can even say that in some cases this is what constitutes a crime, but they do it not because of a good life, but because they themselves men for some reason voluntarily do not even allow themselves to be registered in their tank, i'm not talking about voluntarily going to serve, but we just see when, let's say, a problem that is very serious, just instead of solving it at the legislative level, instead

to solve it precisely with changes in the legislation and then issue appropriate vertical instructions on the implementation of this legislation, and instead the problem was transferred from the state leadership from the verkhovna rada to the tsc, but the employees of the tsc were forced into conditions where there are a lot of holes in the legislation and these holes allow. will actually evade with impunity, and in the meantime, their army superiors are giving them a plan from above that give us so many recruits, but moreover, they even know very well that it is not just that the superiors demand a plan from them, they all military personnel, they have friends at ground zero, many of them themselves fought before ending up in the tsk, and therefore they know very well, like you, how there are not enough people in the same avdiivka, for example, and therefore yes, they , as it is called, the latch falls, and they... see in these people not a citizen with their rights there, but a citizen without responsibilities,

who simply shirks his responsibilities, and this is how they react to it, i'm sorry, not by law, and according to army concepts, so you know, yes, what they are doing is very wrong, but they are not doing it from a good life, and because those things were transferred to them that should be decided by the country's top leadership, first of all the verkhovna rada, i understood you, now about who should decide and what, well, look, the president emphasized even this in the last interview, waiting for the bill on fair mobilization from the military, he repeated it several times, yes, the government, maybe the military may mean the ministry of defense, but the military yes , why do you think, why the president himself does not submit this bill, come on let's not comment on why the president does or doesn't do it, but let 's you ask it, yes, and i can say, simply, we have already seen when the government draft law was passed, and they

threw it like a ball to each other, and no one wanted to take responsibility, but let me not judge the motivations of our commander-in-chief, but don't ask me for something i'm not an expert in, but i can tell you what the picture looks like in general , so from the side, and it actually looks very, let's say, on my opinion is threatening, not just unpleasant, but threatening. there is an impression that they want to make the problem of mobilization completely a problem of the military, and this is not only about the quote you quoted, that a bill is expected from the military, and before that there was a quote that the military should explain why 500,000 , but before that there was just a great quote from the minister of finance: let the general staff show me where to get the money for these 500,000 mobiks, and in the end this story... in the verkhovna rada, as the quintessence, when the government, after all, a civilian government , nevertheless fulfilled its obligations as best it could,

introduced a draft law, let it be raw, but in my opinion, well, raw, but quite, let's say, acceptable for the first reading, and instead of to pick up this ball, as you say, and then finish it in the mode of parliamentary amendments, because yes, the draft law was really raw, it would not have been suitable for the second reading, but instead of passing it... . in the first reading and further edits to finish the second, instead it was simply wrapped in fact, dear people the elected officials, in general, declared that they would not consider it, the government was forced to withdraw it and now a month has passed, and it was said that it would be postponed in a few days, but these few days have already stretched into a month, and let me remind you that we are talking about a bill that should have been considered more than a year ago, we are talking about a problem that... actually arose in the fall of 22, but from the moment the russian federation began mass

mobilization, from that moment it was absolutely like two and two , obviously we don't either avoid that we have to do this, but instead of starting to work on it from then on in the fall of the 22nd, and, for example, by the winter or spring of the 23rd, calmly, without haste, adopt all the necessary, say, amendments to the legislation , instead, for more than a year... in general, the problem was simply put off, just like in the old joke about pregnancy, which, i thought, would just fade away, but strangely, for some reason , the pregnancy itself didn't fade away. happened, the problem, on the contrary, became very acute, the problem is simply not simply ripe, but overripe, but even with a delay of more than a year, we see the categorical unwillingness of the civilian authorities, and now i emphasize, to fulfill their direct constitutional duties, because this is exactly the duty of the civilian authorities, it is the duty of us in general you, that is, the ukrainian rear

, the rear part of ukrainian society, and when i hear how the minister of finance... says: let the general staff show me where to get the money, common man, but no one asks the minister of finance where to dig trenches in the audience, but no one asks the minister of finance what to beat drones, but for some reason it is believed that the military should know this, so fighting a war is the job of the military, and providing them with everything, starting with money and ending with people, is the job of the rear, and it is necessary to clearly separate where and whose sphere is from. this applies not only to money, it primarily applies to people, from the moment a person wears a pixel, from that moment on , the army is responsible for this person, and you can and should ask the generals how this person is trained, what is on this person , then what is this person armed with and exactly what tasks are assigned to him there in battle or in the rear, this is when a person is in uniform

, the army is fully responsible for him, but for where this person in the army will get... sorry, the army is not responsible for this, but the civilian part of society is responsible for this, we, yes, and by the way, for that matter, let's start with who needs it at all, well, in general, there is such a completely false impression from the behavior of our civil authorities that mobilization is allegedly needed by the army, well, you know, it's exactly the same as to say that the army needs to fight this war, and this is absolutely true wrong, the army... asked for this war, the army did not want this war, and this is not it, it is fighting it for one simple reason, because you and i, ukrainians in the rear, want to continue living here in the rear and not be raped by buryats, slaughtered chechens planted by the fsb. for this , we need the army to protect us, and for the army

to be able to protect us, there must be a sufficient number of people in it, this is our rear with you. the problem is where these people will come from in the army, and then the question of the army is how to continue working with these people when they are already in uniform, that what tasks to cut, how to prepare for these tasks, and so on, and here i am, if there is literally a minute left, we are really now discussing, in my opinion, one of the critical problems of our society, if there is a minute, i can simply explain , but now i specifically poisoned a little, before that i did not poison at all, i just stated the obvious fact, but now i am... a little poisoned, it can explain simply how this trend can end. the fact is that power and responsibility are absolutely inseparable things. when someone abdicates responsibility, he thereby abdicates power. and if , in the same way, someone transfers his part of work to the army, then he also gives his part of power to the army. and if the army is

faced with the fact that it has to, for example, find its own finances. okay, believe me, if there are millions of people with guns. to say, find the money for yourself, well, believe me , they will find it, they will find it in a day, they will find much more than the minister of finance can imagine, but this process itself, to put it mildly, is not enough for anyone it will seem, to put it mildly, it will be uncomfortable , i say this very delicately, the same, if the issue of mobilization is transferred to the army, i can well imagine how, for example, a brigade goes on rotation with 30% of its personnel, because all the remaining 200-300, that 's why they go on rotation for... they signed contracts in our brigade and they will sign under the barrels, and so you can recruit a whole, whole mountain assault brigade of skiers and so on in one day. well, come on, maybe we won't bring it to that point, because when the armies will have to perform absolutely not military

functions, but to replace civilian power, this will actually mean that we do not have a state. that instead of a state, we only have an army, well , the behavior of the civil authorities, in my opinion, now creates just such a threat. allow me one last question, if possible briefly, because there is one more thesis that sounded in volodymyr zelenskyi's interview and affected many, he stated that since in the first days of the war many people went abroad, including men, then conscription should return if do not fight, then pay taxes. i don't understand how to understand it, i'm sorry. ask zelensky what he meant, please, you don’t want to comment, no , i can’t, i don’t know, i just like you, i don’t know, i submitted these words, at least

there is no such choice at some legislative level, come , well, it just sounds like come, you won't go to war, just pay taxes, well, it's not like that, well, it's one of the theses that society in general must, shall we say, redeem itself from war, how many minutes do we have left? let's give it a minute and a half, really, then if in a minute or a half, in short, any options, just to pay off the war, maybe, unfortunately, but it is absolutely unworkable, personally, i am a very cynical and pragmatic person, i would even consider, roughly speaking, for what amount, but not taxes, but for what amount of overtaxes, it would be possible to consider that a person is more... useful in the rear than, than in the army, i would consider it, but, but again, it's not about taxes, because paying taxes is as basic a duty as serving in

of the army, so one duty does not replace the other, they are both mandatory , but roughly speaking, in my personal opinion, as a former company officer, if, for example, a person, in addition to his taxes, simply supported a whole platoon out of his pocket, then it was more from her. more useful than if she were one soldier in the same platoon, but neither i nor anyone else will convince the women, the mothers you showed at this demonstration, on such a point of view, so let's basically remove the issue from the discussion this is an absolutely unrealistic option. thank you very much for your comment, for joining the broadcast, yevhen dykiy, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war, former commander of the aydar company battalion, was on radio svoboda, thank you. the higher anti-corruption court chooses a preventive measure in the case of embezzlement of one and a half 15 billion hryvnias for the purchase of shells for the armed forces of ukraine. former

top officials and current top officials of the ministry of defense are on the dock. to the former and current head of the department of defense, as well as managers of lviv arsenal and the representative of the foreign company was informed of the suspicion already on saturday. according to the investigation, in august of the 22nd year, that is, when she was walking. full-scale war, officials signed a contract with the lviv arsenal to purchase a batch of artillery shells. after receiving the money, the company's management transferred part of the funds to the balance sheet of a foreign company that was supposed to deliver the ordered ammunition to ukraine. the company did not send a single projectile, and transferred the received funds to the accounts of an affiliated structure in the balkans. the rest of the amount, according to the investigation, is according to the investigation, everything remained in accounts in one of the ukrainian banks. among those involved is the notorious oleksandr liev, who was... the head of the department of military-technical policy, development of weapons and military equipment of the ministry of defense, he was allegedly detained while trying to leave ukraine. liev himself

rejects the accusation, he says that he really went, but on a business trip to slovakia to inspect demining machines and says that he planned to return to ukraine by february 5. about the fact that the ministry of defense concluded a contract with by the little-known firm lviv arsenal, the publication, for example, ukrainian pravda, wrote in its investigation back in july of last year. how to report journalists, the then minister of defense oleksiy reznikov allowed a subscription to be made under this contract, and it is almost 100% of the amount of the agreement, but the ukrainian military did not receive a single mine under this contract, but not only ukrainian pravda watched this very closely, but also our colleagues from the publication tetyana nikolayenko, a member of the public, is joining us now of the anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense and a journalist of the censornet publication, tatyana, good evening, i will ask, you know, on the shelves. to explain for our audience, first of all , what we know about these people, as i understand it, there are five of them, oleksandr liev is the most famous, because there was already news about him, and what do we

know about the rest, who, which of them current, which of them are former officials of the ministry of defense, there are also businessmen there, are they all detained, or someone was simply announced as a suspect in absentia, as far as i understand that there were only two detainees, and it was about... it was about liev and zbitniv, in fact the people who signed this contract and it is obvious that they have the most questions, and also the current head of the department thomas nekfur received a pitozru, here i have certain the question is what will be his fault, his signature is among those who signed this agreement, but there are others, as far as i know the specifics, well, those who signed this contract, them. there are probably five, six, seven people there, why not even five people, but there is a suspicion that a person from of a foreign company,

this is the same oleksandr khoroshayev, about whom gromadske was the first... miraculously , she found herself on a business trip abroad, and then , no less miraculously, she found herself in the supervisory board, well, in fact, the company laid. because what do we really have with this contract, the contract was made in the months of october, and in november and december , the lviv arsenal transfers 12 million euros, this is part of the first tranche, because the ministry of defense did not pay all 1.5 billion for the contract at once, but paid in certain parts, so we did not lose all the money and there was somewhere around a billion

frozen on the accounts of the lviv arsenal. but of the money that has already been paid abroad, for example, these 12 million euros, and 4 million already evaporated somewhere in cash when entering the cvt and it is not at all clear, well, where they went, because the following companies left already only 8 million euros, from which this company , instead of buying ammunition for ukraine, bought itself, well, conditionally a powder factory, because in fact they bought this... where the powder factory used to be, and after paying 5 million euros for it, again, ukraine would not have received a single mortar shot, in fact, for a year since the agreement was concluded. we appealed to various law enforcement agencies, as members of the anti-corruption council, to investigate this situation, well, in fact, from the moment roman romanyuk's first article was published, and we did not saw the enthusiasm about this, and therefore...

for me, in principle , the story of who was detained from the representatives of a foreign company will be very key, because it will determine whether the detentions took place as a result of the release of two high-profile materials at once on the censor and on the public, and well it was already such a hasty reaction of the law enforcement officers, but after all, i really hope that they thoroughly investigated this situation, because there is much to investigate, including the entire foreign network in this scam. tatyana, what kind of office or enterprise is lviv arsenal? it sounds so powerful, but really, does this company have, does it have any history of dealing with the department of defense prior to this deal? well, unfortunately, these are the same stories, as with the proverbial jackets, as with the hrinkevich family, who had construction companies, but for some reason supplied food, as well as the history of the lviv arsenal, they were not some well-known

spence-importer of weapons. therefore , we do not understand how and what logic the ministry of defense used when signing a contract with this enterprise, and this was one of the reasons why we asked the ministry of defense should create both a black list of companies with which it is not necessary to work, and in general conduct a thorough inspection of the companies with which they spend the lives of our military, and you cannot take company. which was not engaged in the supply of weapons until now, they had some contracts, but this is not a systematic work, that is, we cannot even compare there with other private manufacturers. tatiana, what do we know about the role of the then minister oleksiy reznikov, should we logically question him now, because after all, it is him as a minister signed these contracts, or not necessarily? look, the contract is signed by the head

of the relevant department, so it says under... sliyev and on the additional agreement you can even open my articles and see there it says under sliyev. the contract is concluded by the minister at the stage when you agree to pay the money. but of course, in order to study aresnikov's role, it is necessary to interrogate all those currently detained and, of course, the minister, perhaps to find out if he knew anything about this year in more detail. and i have one last question about liev himself, look, he he talks about the fact that he... first of all, first of all, we know that a year ago, exactly a year ago, he resigned from the ministry of defense, now he says that he went on a business trip to slovakia for the purpose of inspection of demining machines, and here i had a question, he somehow continues to deal with supplies for the army, or on the basis of what he went abroad to buy or inspect these demining machines, we have something at all.