in public communications about a man leading an army in wartime, such as pauses, communication failures, not responding quickly, pretending that we do not know what we will think, are we testing society, how will society react to such information, well of course, this is not a completely normal situation, maybe it's just gossip, maybe it's really probing for information, but in any case, well, we know that napoleon is still. said that there are no people who cannot be replaced, or said about the cemetery, yes, which one full of irreplaceable people, but in any case, if such a decision is made, then it is necessary to understand on the basis of what and who instead, that is, what plans, the main thing for us is not personality as such, although of course bright and personality is very good, but those the tasks facing her and the plans or strategies that this person can develop and then implement, so... of course,

it would be good if there were no rumors, it would be good if such an important decision, if it is accepted, it would be in consultations, at least informing our key partners so that it is not from, let's say , informational sources, directly discussed with our partners in a confidential form, then it will be fine, but now let's hope that it is a rumor, if not, then we will have to to explain to our authorities, well... to justify this decision, well, and accordingly, who can replace such a person who is the personification of the resistance of ukrainians, that is, there are not only his professional abilities, but also such an eagle that he deserved, well, it is partially possible, you know, we all believe and love the armed forces of ukraine, the defense forces of ukraine, and of course mr. zaluzhny would present them himself. mr. oleksandr, we are all waiting for... the decision of the congress of the united states

of america to allocate 61 billion dollars to ukraine in the form of military aid, and this issue has been suspended in the united states of america for the time being, we see how the election campaign is gaining momentum there, we see , how the situation is unfolding in texas, and how 25 governors, republicans, are calling on the central government to intervene in this story, in parallel. we still see how the story unfolds with the attack on the base in syria, the american army, and john kirby said that the united states of america does not want a wider war with iran, but must answer for the death of three american servicemen, that is , america itself now has enough internal problems that moved from the election campaign, or in general to americans for... to us and to this

aid, given trump's statements, given the situation, which is difficult enough in the middle east, and given what is happening in border with mexico. well, indeed, we are now observing turbulence in the united states, and even with elements of such chaos, and we have become hostages, well, in fact, and this political struggle is instrumentalizing ukraine, because of course it is special. in the house of representatives, a cup of trumpians who want to deprive ukraine of aid altogether, but in general a bicameral and bipartisan consensus on aid to ukraine is maintained, at least this is what the senators and leaders, the head of the republican minority in the senate and representatives of the specialized committees say the same mike johnson, the speaker of the house of representatives, he also says that ukraine should be helped, he... compared putin and

in general this aggression against us to the second world war, here, but his position is absolutely clear, first the solution to the problems of the united states, and then ukraine. well, of course, the most important thing , which we still don't know, are only certain comments, whether trump has decided, despite the fact that republicans and democrats in the senate have agreed to a compromise reform of migration policy, which means. was carried out for the last time in 1986, did he decide to torpedo it in order to keep this issue hot during the election campaign, i'll literally name a few numbers, they just show that on the one hand there is an understanding among americans that this is a serious problem, 35% of americans believe that the problem of migrants, illegal immigrants is the most acute in this election race, in second place is... inflation is 32% and only there somewhere

at the end 25% is jobs or the economy here, but at the same time only 17% of americans feel on... this is worse the situation is related to illegal immigrants, and this gap between 35 and 17, it shows that this is politicking, that there is an escalation of blame and actions, especially what we see in the state of texas, in order to fuel this support for trump, for he says that as soon as he is elected president, he will do much better, that no deal is better than a sword. agreement, that is, if trump decided to act in this way, then of course we have problems, and let's hope that there is a plan b among the congressmen and actually within the congress, and there is plan c, roughly speaking, if congress will not be able to do anything at all, this plan c,

for example, can be seen as a vote in the committee on foreign affairs of the senate, for a bill on the transfer of frozen russian assets in ukraine. and then, of course, we will feel much better and we will have the opportunity to buy the same weapons of the americans, even if trump decides when he becomes president, or if he becomes president, to stop such assistance, so i hope that washington is thinking about it and for the biden administration ukraine is extremely important, of course he would like to show some success during the election campaign, he now emphasizes that this issue should be non-partisan, because it is a question of the world order, it is a question of... the struggle between democracy and authoritarian regimes, here, but well, we understand that trump uses populist, very often demagogic slogans, and it is impossible to change anything with trump. there was information from zelensky, mr. oleksandr, that the evening address, or rather,

the president of ukraine, he did not say a word said about the release of zaluzhnyi, well , that is, as expected, but instead zelenskyi spoke about trump and about ... that he would like to hear the plan of the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america, donald trump, to end the war in ukraine in 24 hours and would be happy , if this plan was viable. let's listen to what zelensky said in an interview with ard. well, i will talk to him, and you know me, that i am a completely frank person, and i will definitely be able to say that after the meeting. i 'll tell you honestly if... his format or his the formula will lead to peace, it only takes 24 hours, i will be a very happy president, very happy, because i know how many people we lose in one day, and so i know

how much it costs, so i will be happy if someone shows, how to end wars in 24 hours, who knows, mr. alexander, trump himself has repeatedly said that... i know putin very well, i know zelenskyi very well, and i need 24 hours to end the war. at what price can trump stop the war in ukraine, if, if he can? at any cost, because of course it is not a matter of principle for him, he likes big players, he likes an authoritarian leader, it seems to him that he can solve something with his charisma, unpredictability. we saw that it didn't work with kim jong-un, despite all these... romantic meetings in different countries, despite the statements that were there, he actually, well, he failed to persuade kim to stop his nuclear, missile program, we we see that now this person already owns the means of delivering nuclear weapons boyzaryads all the way to the american

continental america, so of course we cannot exaggerate the negotiation skills or there, let's say, we understand who tram is. well, we also understand that he is an unpredictable person, if he feels that he can have something from ukraine, i mean in a positive sense, some kind of victory, then of course he can lean on the ukrainian side, but i have my doubts, since the first is the most important , his base needs the united states to focus on itself, he says we don't need these endless warriors, he says about there is a third world war that should not be allowed. and that biden can push her, and of course, i apologize, and of course, that in his circle they say that europe should deal with ukraine, with russia, and we should concentrate all our resources to contain china in the indochina region, it will most likely be like this thinking, but he is not a predictable

person and can do anything, i do not think that the ukrainian president can convince him with any arguments, and precisely for this, in order to prevent such a development in... events that we will be offered to give up part of the territories, to agree to some non-neutral status there or something that we have to work in ukrainian society and... thank god, we have a lot of support for ukraine's euro-atlantic course, and the fact that ukrainians are not ready to change the illusory peace in the territory towards the russian federation, but we must build a strategic communication to the united states and our partners that we are not interested in either freezing the conflict or accepting losses, because it will not mean peace, but a small truce before the next war, and the most important thing is a precedent. for other authoritarian leaders , including sydzenpin, you can go to war,

you can suffer sanctions, isolation, but then there, say, some president of the united states, the next one will say, well , let's start with a clean slate, that is, we need to work with the political community, especially the american one , the most important thing is with american voters, because there are unconscious trumpians who are against ukraine ideologically, and there are no arguments for this... but we can reach into the hearts and towns of average republican-voting americans who can influence the decision-making of their representatives. today, mr. oleksandr, there was detailed information about the visit of vladimir putin to recep tayyip erdogan, to turkey, and one of the issues of his visit, which should take place in february, will be the topic of negotiations. with the president of the country regarding ukraine, speaking about the possibility of resuming

peace talks regarding ukraine within the framework of the istanbul format, assistant to the president of the russian federation, yuriy ushakov, said that i can say that the ukrainian topic will definitely be one of the main subjects of the negotiations, but what can putin and erdogan talk about ukraine without ukraine? anything, well, in principle, they have friendly relations, they have pragmatic relations, we understand that turkey helps us, it closed the basforder danel so that russia does not strengthen its black sea fleet, but it helps and does not recognize the same crimea helps with weapons, but at the same time it trades with the russian federation, helps circumvent sanctions and has become a refuge not only for russian expats, and big russian money, that's why they will rather... first of all talk about the economic dimension, the security dimension for themselves, maybe there are

some joint projects, for sure they can't solve anything in ukraine together, although you know, i would like us to have istanbul negotiations, i would like us to have a black sea oil initiative, that is, to begin with, ukraine should create the conditions for a blockade of the black sea ports of the russian federation, as we are currently striking at... oil refining infrastructure on russian territory, then we have to actually create a blockade in order to create such as we had two negotiating groups on the grain corridor, the un, russia, turkey, ukraine, ukraine, turkey, the un, and where we would check those ships, who go to the black sea ports of the russian federation so that there are no weapons, any dual-purpose goods, then look at those... who export russian oil, so that they export them insured in western companies, this is the first thing, and secondly, that

the contracts were not above the price ceiling, which countries of the group of seven, as well as other countries have introduced. it seems to me that istanbul will be a very good place for such negotiations. mr. oleksandr, two more events in the last few days, when our neighbors from hungary and romania announced that... that they are claiming our territory in hungary , the leader of the far-right hungarian party mihazank, lászló toročkaj, said that his party , how a single hungarian party will claim ukrainian transcarpathia in the event of the loss of ukrainian statehood as a result of the war, and one of the leaders also of the ultra-right alliance for the union of romania , claudia tarziu, declared territorial claims on... the land of northern bukovina, transcarpathia, bessarabia, as well as all of moldova,

what the leader of the ultra-right alliance for the union of romania said. we will not be truly sovereign until we reintegrate the romanian state within its natural borders. bessarabia must return home. northern bukovyna cannot be forgotten. southern bessarabia, hertza, transcarpathia, everything that belonged and belongs to the nation, should return to the borders of the state, this is an ideal that we must not forget. stefan's moldova should be at home in romania, but it actually claims transcarpathia, and i see that the representative of the leaders of the ultra-progressive party for the union of romanians. can we say that these statements, which were made synchronously, that they could be coordinated from one center, well, for example, from the kremlin, and in this way they are now playing the card that there are political forces of romania and hungary that encroach on the territorial the integrity of ukraine, and this plan, which was pushed in

russia from the very beginning, and was repeated very often, that poland will take galicia there. there, the hungarians of transcarpathia, the romanians will take bukovyna, and what, that they just keep bothering with this topic in order to show that everyone wants to tear ukraine to pieces. well, you know, first of all, there are politicians in certain countries who don't, let's say, don't learn lessons or don't draw conclusions from history that their country has chosen the wrong side for a long time. and then, as a result of this bad choice, she suffered, as is the territorial division or some other things, and it seems to me that this politicians should think about it. the second point, of course, that we have to react, despite the fact that these are marginal politicians, but, well, at least if we talk about romania, romania is extremely important for us and it is

extremely positive towards us, it does not announce many things , what is he doing, because of course the leadership and... the romanian people clearly understand the threats posed by the russian federation, including to them, not only to us, here, but the fact that it is synchronized, that there is a certain the script, well, me i hope that, like this member of the european parliament, information has just appeared that she worked for the russian special service for 20 years, after a certain time we will see e-mails, and perhaps monetary settlements, like me... and received by these representatives or their parties for to promote this country, because we understand that it is very difficult despite us, but if a conflict occurs, then the armed forces of ukraine can definitely solve the issue with the representatives of these countries, there is definitely no question here, we have no aggressive intentions towards our neighbors, but for sure we will be able

to solve any issue if there is an encroachment on our territory from... their side, so we should be calm about such statements, but diplomats need to react, of course in the media, that this is unacceptable, well, that the relevant officials of these states also react and confirm that they are committed to european values, norms and principles of international law, european law and that they support ukraine in this fight against illegality, injustice. russian aggression federation against ukraine. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was diplomat oleksandr khara. friends, we continue to work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who watch us live there. please like this video, don't be stingy, there is a lot of interesting information during today's broadcast and

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or i don't know, maybe it was a spoiler of this resignation, maybe society is being tested. what was it, first of all, i hope you followed this story, and this is the first, and second, why the authorities could not comment for so long, that is, it was enough to call any publication there, including ukrainian pravda or rbc ukraine, with those publications with which they cooperate actively, and to say that no, it is not true, and literally a minute later, after this information was leaked on the social network, this information... would not have gained the momentum that we are now observing. you know, mr. serhiy, this situation is actually not the only one. a sentence to the authorities, to a large extent, well, a statement that not everything is fine with us in the informational component, but it is a statement that

not everything is fine in our society, because we can love or not love someone, but in conditions of war, when we we pick up such messages without expecting them to be official disclosure, it shows that we are not doing well with... critical thinking and strategic communication, i would say very bad, we have to honestly admit that in wartime it is extremely difficult to improve strategic communication and critical thinking, because in such the way our state propaganda is undermined, but when we have... two, let's say, communication failures in just one week, the first

failure was around the il-76, because ukraine's position turned out to be, well, i would say, a losing one, compared to in russian russia made a bet on what she was throwing. the information space of the event in different versions, it worked the same way as during the situation beyond the 17th border and was flooded with various, well, really diverse, from absurd to almost realistic versions, at a time when there was a regime of practical silence in ukraine, this is bad, it's yours or about the fact that for more than 700 days of a large-scale russian invasion, we, as a state, did not manage

to create an adequate response system to such situations, this is bad, bad, i emphasize, for all of us, regardless of our political sympathies, regardless of our views. regardless of how we see ukraine, if we see it as independent, then we are at war, we have to take care of it, we have to talk about it, we have to support its authority in the international arena, if this does not happen in our country, then we become a laughing stock in the eyes of our adversaries in... in the eyes of our strategic partners, in the eyes of those who are wavering on how to perceive the russian-ukrainian war. we live, on

the one hand, in a very large, but on the other hand, in a very compressed world, where this, i kraiemoka looked at the russian, russian information agenda, as soon as they started quoting the country, in... the ukrainian official authorities should have already reacted, here, you know, the creation of uncertainty is, unfortunately, in the current situation, in fact, a pas of the enemy, so that discouragement, undermining trust in our capabilities, is the kremlin's main weapon since 2004 in its policy towards ukraine. for at least 10 years, the kremlin has been betting on this. and it should be

realized already. well, but look, here we are talking about what, what, the russians use propagandists, but, on the one hand, and on the other hand, we see how many public figures, journalists, including bloggers, have started. to disperse this topic, but now i look, there are already refutations of the journalists themselves, or, let's say, explanations of why they did it. tsymbalyuk roman wrote that he had removed the previous post, he wrote that the brave man was fired, and budanov will be the next head of the armed forces of ukraine. he writes: the decree enters into force from the moment of publication, if it has not been published, this does not mean that there was no such intention, this is a political decision, very sensitive and has a real impact on our fate, so at the last moment... we were persuaded not to do it, here in principle it is not clear where the testing of society, if it was testing, or this or that in... was there, well, it also

cannot be that five people there took public figures and put it in their heads, or in their mouths, that it is necessary to write about it, well, the leak of this information went somewhere and said that it is already, probably, if it was done by those who undermine national security and defense, then they should be responsible as well, because this is one of the elements of a hybrid war against ukraine, and it means that in such a situation, well, it was. playing along with the russian federation, well , you didn't write about it yourself, mr. serhiy? i didn't write because i can't write about what i don't know, and i didn't write because i was waiting, i was waiting for an official decree, if there was one, because i realize, i repeat, whether we like it or not i like it, but in these conditions, such a communication crisis, it

can turn very quickly. to the crisis socio-political with serious consequences, i don't want to describe them, but i imagine them well enough, so everyone has to start with themselves, but here the paradox of the situation is that a number of people, people who are sufficiently authoritative, wrote about it as a fact , which took place, fait accompli, yes, it is their you. you and i didn't do it, so we did it right, so our level of information hygiene is higher than theirs, that's all. let's return to zelenskyi, but from the other side, from the side of the bill on mobilization, because on february 6, the government previously has to submit a bill on mobilization to the parliament, and president zelensky is waiting.

a fair law on mobilization from the top of the military, calling for justice for conscripts and digitalization of the recruitment process. let's listen to what zelensky said. i expect from the military today a law on fair mobilization, or continuation, or changes to the law, you can call it differently, in any case, i would like it to be comprehensive, fair. and the bill, that's all, that's why they are today the task is to do this, and so that no one says that this is a popular decision, but it is not popular, but i think it is important that the military prepare, the military together with the ministry of defense, prepare a fair answer to this question, that is why i asked our military, when they will

prepare this bill. i asked them and the deputies that there should be no chance to walk on the streets, today there are opportunities to use the digital format, etc., that is, we live in the time of digitalization, and even more so, we are a very digitalized country, we have established this process both during covid and during the war, there are no questions to solve this is a modern issue, mr. evgeny, why... the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine distances himself from the military, he leads them during the war, he leads them, he says: well what the military prepares will be what will happen, why does he not take responsibility, it is not in the context of the fact that we are dispersing treason, but it would be quite logical to mobilize - this is a question of the whole society, the legally elected leader of this society is volodymyr zelensky, he

according to the constitution, he is the supreme... commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, so who should take responsibility for this draft law and for the mobilization process, that is, for presenting it to society? volodymyr zelenskyi, who will celebrate 5 years of his tenure as president on may 20, 2024, is responsible for this mobilization under ukrainian legislation. during this time , the powers of the president could be memorized in principle, i think, and accordingly understand that politicians and the government, which is formed by people through elections, they should determine a certain matrix, the military should implement it, not...