a well-known scheme, about two days ago , if i am not mistaken, the traditional newsmaker ms. bezugla published the version that there are three candidates for the post of commanding the armed forces, and there were critical remarks on all three candidates, and some commentators even pointed out that all it was not written in the traditional style of mrs. bezugla , but a little like, i would say, politically technological , so there were some expectations, but you know what the paradox of the situation is, they can release a diligent person, the tension there, as i understand it, remained, maybe because of the topic mobilization, a perhaps not only the mobilization, i mean the legislative process and everything that surrounds the mobilization process, there are contradictions, most likely there is some kind of interaction.

distrust of individuals in personal relationships, and we do not know, but according to the experience of various presidents and not only presidents, printouts of conversations are always placed on the table of the first person, who is with whom, about what , how they talk and the like, there could be some there could have been things that we don't know that could have caused a... such a reaction that, well, everything got, it must be changed, that could have happened. another one thing, from a rational point of view, to fire a hard worker, for the presidential team and personally for president zelensky himself, this is a huge political risk, it is simply obvious, to create a political competitor for yourself in the near future, this is one risk, the second risk may change the situation regarding the possibility presidential elections. so far, the majority of ukrainians are against

any elections during the war, and what will happen next, if in this situation, the opposition will definitely bet on the fact that let's hold elections, without even thinking about can it be carried out, how can it be carried out , but there will simply be such a political stake, well, in the end , yes, i understand, vitaly, i have heard a little, yes, this situation of tension and uncertainty may arise. in the relations between a part of the military and the political leadership, there is also a certain risk here, so from a rational point of view it is impossible to dismiss, regarding the current situation, i do not rule out my assumption, especially since we have already seen something similar when reznikov was dismissed, the first attempt, and budanov also appeared there, by the way, as in the current ones rumors that could suggest that zaluzhny himself resign from his post. or some other

alternative position to which he could not agree, but this could already cause a wave of expectations or rumors that everything is being changed, there is already a presidential decree, they are sending a well-deserved resignation, and it could simply be that he was offered some other option, well, they wrote, they wrote in social networks that he was supposedly offered the position of ambassador somewhere abroad, well , at least these are sources of ukrainian truth. i read it, well i guess it's not the one if for example, here is an option that formally from the point of view of status could be relatively acceptable, although also problematic, for example, to offer the position of secretary of the national security council, well , at least it is more or less equivalent, conditionally, and the ambassador, well, we know that, the ambassador - it is always a political exile, a veil, a veil, a veil, yes, yes, it is more of a tolerant veil, yes.

although for some it is such, you know, an honorable resignation can be, i know situations when, for example, the former head of the constitutional court was the ambassador to kazakhstan, well, others there the former deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada, the ambassador, the ambassador to russia, china, and so on , that is, the former prosecutor general of benedictine switzerland, switzerland is just right, you know, such an honorary pension even yes, although she does not have it yet... in the case of meritorious persons, the situation is completely different , a different context, even if he were an ambassador, that’s all, this is a ready-made political alternative center, and the risk remains, and for the most diligent, for you understand, a purely psychological issue still comes into play here, as i understand it, well, i even heard about it from anna malar, the former deputy minister of defense, she constantly told me that this was her personal impression, military people... have a completely different psychology, and they

think differently, and for them epaulettes, and this is also the hard-working budanov, for them epaulettes are holy, to give up the epaulettes, it's all like the end of life, on that... it's a completely different situation, so i think that yes, if they offered the honorable position of ambassador, he did not accept it, and it already caused a certain chain reaction, but i guess , what is important, they could, that's why i mentioned reznikov, about the resignation reznikov, budanov could have been offered the position, but budanov could also have disagreed, realizing that it would not be accepted and would cause a critical reaction, that is, the situation is like this, i would say deadlocked, someone wants, perhaps, or offers the president to remove the president. but well, such a cluck-cluck is too risky a combination, we will see how these events will develop, you mentioned that maybe the opposition wants elections, for example, i doubt it will, i don't want, it will, if they send a worthy , it is logical, they bet on zaluzhny, as on

alternative political center and start a campaign for the presidency, it is almost not realistic in the current conditions, but there is a problem, there is a problem in the parliament, it speaks about it. rahami, he is talking about the fact that if 17 servants go and make up deputy mandates in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, there will be problems with the parliament, well , there will be no problems with the parliament, because there will still be 300 votes needed to pass 2-3 decisions of any kind. but let's not be on the majority, well, it is, but it does not mean that the parliament will be incapacitated, or will he be incapacitated, mr. oleksii. hello to me yes, the question is whether i am to mr. oleksiy to holobutskyi and i did not hear yes something was interrupted i apologize well the question of the capacity of the parliament is whether we have a parliament and not a structure in which just

some people gather in order to shoot each other's streams yes that's how i see it the current parliament that tishchenko is removing honcharenko honcharenko is removing. tishchenko, and this is all political activity, so to speak. but seriously, of course, 17 people do not decide the fate of the parliament, me i understand, well, if you reduced deputies to people who insert voting cards that do not affect anything, well, it is logical that a certain number of people simply do not want to do this, well, it is meant, not from the principled positions, but from the positions the fact that... the parliament is not political, that is, in our parliamentary-presidential republic, and the parliament is reduced to, as i always call it, a department in the office of the president, and why is arkhamya talking about it, well, probably some

technical problems with 226 voting people, 26 deputies for those decisions that come out. from the president's office, yes, maybe there are some technical problems, but again , it seems to me that about the elections, you understand, this is the question of the elections, this is a question from one side, this is a problem that, as i understand it, worries the authorities very much , and this is absolutely logical, even more so, perhaps, than the opposition, because the opposition is in principle and especially not visible in the current situation. this is a question to a certain extent, if, if you constantly say that the war will be long, yes, then it is logical to ask and at the same time you say that there will be no elections during the war, it is logical to imagine the situation that both the president and this parliament carried us for a long time, so to speak, yes, for two years, for another three years,

or for four years, and if a question arises then, it is logical, yes, well , it is not possible now, but when it will be... it can be done, that is , the only condition is the end of the war, and if the war really will be in various forms, it can exist, there will be 10 years, that is, we will already cease to be a democratic country, we will simply stop electing the parliament and the president, that is, this is a question that will constantly hanging over our political leadership, over zelenskyi, over the office of the president, how to get out of this, and the situation with zaluzhny is to a certain extent, on the other hand, i absolutely agree here... with volodymyr that it is irrational to fire him now , but on the other hand, we must understand that right now, in these two years and in the near future, future political careers are being made, even if a person is not

aware of this, such a diligent person may not think about anything or any political career at all. yeru, but now his biography is being formed yes, he is the commander-in-chief who repelled the first russian attack there in the 22nd year, who is leading ukraine, well, with such progress , the ukrainian army is leading to some goal there, to victory or to something else, right? and here i already agree with vitaliy that if zaluzhny is removed, it is unknown, that is , unlike vitaliy, i do not think that it is possible to predict this, so anyone, depending on zaluzhny himself, can be an industrious person, well, for example, he is a military man , he can't just go and become a civilian, yes, him they appoint the head of the rear there, for example, yes, or someone else, and after 3-4 months we live in another. absolutely, listen, eh, the events that are taking place , here is today, i tried to remember how

many times they had already fired the zaluzhny, i counted that three or four times already, i think 99% of ukrainians do not remember this at all, but about today's event will be forgotten by everyone in 3-4 days, this is in the best case, yes, that's why it's not here, it's necessary to be in the process of being here, in the process, that is, his position is his future. political possible it's possible, because you understand, it's not, it's not , well, so far, so far, with all due respect, i respect him a lot, of course, everything else, yes, but if you compare his current e-e communication, his current connections , his current one, for example, with ezinhauer of the forties, yes, well, it is still not in favor of the industrious for many reasons. we must understand this, so that without his own will, well

, it is not possible anyway, you know, the desire of oppositionists to cover themselves with the figure of zaluzhnyi in order to bring down zelenskyi is absolutely logical, it is absolutely clear, that is, the problem is that the zaluzhny himself wants something, we don’t know the answer, maybe we will never know, and in this regard , neither zelenskyi nor his entourage knows about it either, how can it be so... the situation with the need to develop in general in which direction, the last thing, yes, we, we must understand that we very often, it seems to me, both our government and society, we think about these topics with the concepts of industrial epochs, that is, we constantly impose these patterns behavior, how cherchen would have done it, how roosevelt would have done it, how stalin would have done it , sometimes, yes, the second world war, because after... a large-scale war, well, in reality , there was no such large-scale war on the territory of europe, that is, since

of the second world war, and now we simply live in a different age, a completely different age, in an information age, where information, roughly speaking, yes, we just talked about appointing him as an ambassador, this secretary of the national security council and so on, this is being created, perhaps all the presidents did not think about it, even now there are such things... the already formed reality of the application can he replace danilova, and where does danilov go to the second question, yes, can he take another position, and then what to do with that person, so this whole situation is alkaline, confirms , that first of all, we need ukrainians, and in general, to live a full-fledged political life in this space, which does not exist, just like that. no matter how much we constantly say that war and everything else, well, we're used to it, well, we're used

to it, it's normal, you can't erase our entire 30-year history in two years of our independence, vitaly constantly says , there are answers, well, what kind of answers, well, what kind of answers are there from the commander-in-chief, yes, well, this is also not absolutely not a situation that cannot be compared with the second world war, which i am not talking about zhukov even so, i'm talking about izinha. who constantly appears at press conferences and explains his actions every week, so that here he is, today he is fighting, tomorrow he is going to fight like this, that is, engaged is a product, and it is absolutely normal, and war is a product 20 century of the industrial age, and we live in the information age, and we demand from, of course, we have a constant need to inform, inform, report and so on, thank you president for this. it is accepted, they are pouring out ideas every day, here is the last idea for a short break,

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on our platforms in youtube and facebook. if you are watching us now on social networks, put it. please , like our video, and subscribe to our pages. during the broadcast, we conduct surveys, we today we ask you about this, do you allow the freezing of the war with russia? yes, no, if everything is quite simple in youtube, choose either yes or no, write your comment under the video. if you vote using a smartphone or phone and watch us on tv, then if you allow the freezing of the war with russia (0800-211-381). no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, call us, it is important to know your opinion. oleksiy holobutsky, volodymyr ofesenko and vitaliy kulyk are our guests today, and we are we are talking about what is happening today , including in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, because i already mentioned david rahami, about these statements

about whether the parliament will be effective or not . smiled so mysteriously when i spoke about the arachamiy about the efficiency of the parliament, it seems to me that vitaliy wanted to say something in principle, but we went back to the old man, so let's return to the topic of the efficiency of the parliament and most importantly, perhaps, the distribution of responsibility in power between the government and the opposition, well, conditional opposition and it is possible to expand the majority and create a new majority based on those deputies. who are in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, it won't happen , it won't happen, mr. volodymyr, you say it won't happen, mr. vitaly, well, look, the 17 people that parakhamia says about are only visible. on the iceberg, there are many more of them , i would say more, because first of all, the verkhovna rada has ceased to be a place where you can decide matters

in russian, this is the first thing, and secondly , they left there, vitaliy, no business, вопросы , yes, the money went from there, it is no longer in the envelopes, from various groups of influence, and thirdly, people who flee from there, make mandates for it, those people who have offshore and business abroad, assets abroad. and they have to solve problems there, that is why they make up deputy mandates, since the release abroad has become a manual mechanism, and they cannot quickly leave, solve their problems, and this applies to the former opzzh, and european solidarity, and servants of the people, and other factions of the verkhovna rada, so the list, wanting to make a mandate, is high enough, well, big, and it can really make it a certain problem, since the majority is not. and the current configuration of the majority has long since turned from a monomajority into a kind of vinaigrette of various political groups, which are united by a certain point of assembly, they

will ensure a positive vote by attracting the votes of the majoritarian fractions, the ashmotks of the opzh faction, those who remained in the parliament, so in every way are resisting in an attempt to deprive the deputy mandates and organization of lustration over opzzh and. other mature parties, not only in the verkhovna rada. therefore, they do not allow this and postpone, are delaying this or that time, which obviously has to come sometime. regarding the capacity of the verkhovna rada, in my opinion, we are now on the eve of a parliamentary crisis, and this crisis will manifest itself not only in the inability to solve some commercial matters, some political matters. to do public relations normally on the deputy's mandate or in some way to show oneself there to recoup the money invested in the election company by those or other deputies who are currently in the verkhovna

rada. and this can push the parliament to manifest some kind of individualism subjects, individual groups in the parliament. this will be a threat to the existing configuration of the majority, and it is already somehow felt by the spinal cord at the banks. and is trying to carry out such a reformatting of this majority, including the ideas that are being put forward, i hear about it now even from those who previously in every possible way denied the idea of ​​expanding the majority at the expense of concluding some kind of quasi-agreement on a coalition, not a coalition according to the current legislation, but such quasi, quasi agreements on joint activities, joint responsibility and so on, and... put its as a basis for reformatting the government, but not the government in the classical sense of national unity, because i believe that as such the idea of ​​a government of national unity with the involvement

of opposition factions is unsustainable, because it will turn into a government of national unity, into a government of national stability with the involvement of technocrats from outside the parliament, such is possible, and under this there is actually a certain understanding, not yet an introduction, a certain understanding with some factions that position themselves, including as opposition. we saw the elements of such an understanding on example of the agreement in transcarpathia about the impracticality of holding elections, remember this agreement, not an agreement, but an agreement that was signed by the leaders of some, including the now allegedly opposition faction, and then many said that this was the basis. where negotiations on the formation of a new majority or the configuration of a new majority are possible, but in view of the recent events , both with the bill on mobilization and rumors

about its possible changes in the military leadership and the way it happens in the carnival regime, i have no illusions about that , that the bank will risk such a step as the formation of a government of national stability. thank you. mr. vitaly, mr. volodymyr, you smiled so ironically when i asked about the new majority in the verkhovna rada, and said that no, no, it won't happen, and why are you so sure that it won't happen, well, look, why, how many deputies are there now in the servants of the people, if i am not mistaken, there are 242 deputies, 17 deputies, if they are removed, supposedly all, there is no majority, but i will remind you, we are not... what kind of deputies are these, if they are all majority deputies, then yes, there is a problem arises, but we know, and not only for servants, but also for others, and for servants

, even more so, they will simply be told, no, no one will let you go from the verkhovna rada, if they are list-makers, please, others will come instead of list-makers, the main thing is to save, well, to have a reserve there are 230, 235 deputies for a certain time, and if a few people are forced to leave, and there they say that one or two deputies can leave, they can be let go, it is not critical, the main thing is to keep formality. legal majority, informal majority, i agree with vitaly, well, it's not a secret, it's been there for a long time mps from different parliamentary groups help to form, well, as is traditionally the case with us, the de facto majority, so i think that this configuration will not change, but it is important why arakhamia made this statement, it is arakhamia , this is important, he raises his own rates, he signals to the bank that guys

, guys and... the chat that is there, don't forget about the verkhovna rada, don't forget about my special role as a person who makes up this actual majority every time, yes, the parliament must be dealt with, otherwise there will be big problems, there could be a spontaneous parliamentary crisis, i think it's possible that either he was not heard at the bank, i don't know, or he decided that this could be his personal game, and he ran this information like that, so... that this raises his personal political stakes, as such a price manager of the parliamentary majority, well , not a price manager, he is not an official, in fact, almost an official manager of the parliamentary majority, so i do not yet see direct risks for the current parliamentary majority, i agree with vitaly that it is unlikely or at the bank they will go for some new configuration, because it is necessary to change the government and so on, theoretically i do not rule it out, but it is unlikely

that it will change. the situation fundamentally, in this sense, for now the parliament will not be the place where the political situation in the country will be resolved, but if the political processes will gain conflicting momentum, well, then it will affect the situation inside the parliament. thank you, mr. volodymyr, mr. oleksiy, we have literally one minute on the air, what will happen to the majority and the parliament? well, i will agree with my colleagues here, well, relative to me, of course, if it works for you, something works, the authorities believe that everything works for them, then it is necessary, i am now constantly quoting the words of the waver, so why do we need plan b, if we are sure of plan a, that's it, that's why there are certainly no coalitions there will be, there will be no cooperation, they will not feel, they have no need to share power with anyone at all or even from the point of view of...

and here i agree with volodymyr that rahamiya is simply declaring his ambitions, so to speak, well he, let's not forget that he was a speaker two years ago, one of the greatest speakers in ukraine, yes, and now he appears with such statements, whether about refugees or about the parliament, they all understand the laws of the genre, if you don't make loud statements. then in a week they won't remember you, who is arahabiya in principle. thank you, thank you, mr. oleksiy. oleksiy holobutsky, volodymyr fesenko, vitaliy kulyk were guests of our program today. gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program. well, during the program, friends, we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether you allow the freezing of the war with russia. let's see the results of the poll on tv. 14% - yes, 86% - no, and we conduct

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