we run a poll throughout our program and it will continue after the bbc news broadcast. we ask you whether you trust the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine zaluzhny. 92% - yes, 8% no - it is on tv, 98%, yes and no, two, percentages on youtube. 15 minutes after the bbc release, we will have a group of people's deputies of ukraine, mykyta petura and viktoriya syumar, on the air. and yaroslav zheliznyak, stay with us, don't switch. the attack on the american base in jordan, in which three us soldiers died. will this lead to an escalation in the region? this is ether bbc. in the dzaferov studio.

president biden says he doesn't want a wider war in the middle east, but u.s. media have reported that the drone that killed three u.s. service members in an attack on a base on sunday was iranian, and biden is caught in the crossfire, so what will be the united states' response to the deadly attack . where did it all start? american on sunday. the military reported that as a result of a drone attack on a us base on the border of syria and jordan, three american servicemen were killed, 34 more servicemen were injured, and the president immediately after the attack , us joe biden blamed it on armed groups supported by iran, and indeed the islamic resistance in iraq claimed responsibility. this group consists of three armed groups linked to iran. they have already attacked

american military bases, but iran, in turn, calls the us accusations baseless. an official representative of the iranian foreign ministry said that the continuation of us strikes on targets in syria and iraq, as well as the war in the gas sector, are increasing instability in middle eastern region. and what kind of base is this and why are the american military in the region? the american media reported that the taur air base was hit. 22, that is , tower 22. it is located in a desert area in the north-east of jordan, on the border with syria. you can see right now on the map, and this is what this base looks like, less than a kilometer in area, there are over 70 buildings and approximately 350 american troops, and one of their goals is to support the operation against the so-called islamic state. american military

it is not the first time that the region has been shelled, but it is the first time since the beginning of the gas war that american soldiers have died. how did it happen? a representative of the defense department in a comment to the american channel cbs news said that the enemy drone was flying very low and slowly, just as the american drone was returning to the base from a combat mission. and precisely because of this, in order not to shoot down your drone, some air defense functions were disabled. and now the question has arisen, how will the united states respond to this attack? this is what us secretary of state anthony blinken said. by attacks on our forces, on our military, both in iraq and in syria, since october, there have been groups linked to iran, they are actually supported by iran, financed by iran, equipped by iran. i would like to note that the presence of our forces in iraq and syria has nothing to do with gaza, nothing to do with the conflict that

took place after october 7, after the terrible attacks by hamas. this is all in order to make sure that the business is not restored. that's why they're there. the "islamskyi" group claimed responsibility for sunday's attack resistance" in iraq. this group emerged at the end of 23, immediately after the start of the war in gaza. according to the bbc's international affairs columnist paul adams, it is one of the... numerous pro-iranian proxies in the region. over the years, iran has cultivated on a wide network of allies and proxies in the middle east. all of them oppose israel and the united states and call themselves the resistance. pro-iranian armed groups are in lebanon, the palestinian territories, gaza and the west bank, as well as in iraq, syria and the south of yemeni chekhusites. and at least joe biden

immediately said an iranian-backed military group was behind the attack, the white house was still gathering enough information to decide what to do next. and here's what the us president said today when asked by journalists whether he would authorize strikes against iran. i hold them responsible in the sense that they gave guns to those who did it. i don't think we need a wider war in the middle east right now. that's not what i 'm after. oleksandr kraiv, an expert of the ukrainian prism foreign policy council, is in touch with us. i congratulate you, oleksandr, ot what... may be the answer of the us. there are many options for the americans to respond to such a provocation without involving themselves or the region in a wider war. in fact, the response that joseph biden has stopped at now, which is to make it clear that we saw what happened, there will be

a response once we understand who did it, the response will be according to what that side did, that at this stage may be enough, but actually, the fact that the american... immediately blamed a specific group shows that most likely, a retaliatory strike is being prepared, possibly also a drone strike, specifically on the bases of this group. but in general, is the united states ready for, as you said, a wider war in the region, do the americans support it, because a section of society has long been saying that the united states should withdraw from the middle east region? the ideal option for biden, of course, would be to prevent a wider war. in the middle east and, in principle , not to spread, not to support the spread of conflicts, because such a scenario, it is beneficial only to moscow, only tehran and only beijing. for biden, both from the point of view of foreign policy and from the point of view of his election, this is clearly not the best option, but at the same time not to respond to

the attack on the american military, not to respond to their deaths, it means showing weakness, and again so that for america's allies, for... america's voters, such weakness of the us president in an election year will also be something they cannot forgive, and so biden is on very thin ice when he cannot afford to expand the war to the middle east, but at the same time it cannot afford not to react, whether the americans are ready for a wider war, let's say, two aircraft carrier groups, they already have in the region, some troops remain in the region, negotiations have been held with the allies, so in the event of what they are ready... for further provocations, but they clearly do not want them. you just mentioned the election, but in light of the upcoming us election, did this attack shake the mood of american voters? in fact, for some reason, this attack was even overshadowed by the situation with texas and control over the border, which until

this was the subject of all the american media, and in principle, which was talked about as the most threatening, now really most of the attention is paid to the middle east and... these are on the american military, so i repeat, biden should definitely react, he should show a position and strength alexander, thank you, please stay in touch, and during other attacks on american military bases, the united states always responded with strikes . however, this time the question is whether their answer will lead to more more escalation in the region, the bbc correspondent continued. the leadership of the united states of america must be shown that it works in this situation. on the one hand, this is an internal political issue, especially in the midst of an election campaign. ex-president trump has already said that if he were in power, he would not have allowed what happened. on the other hand,

it is a signal from the militant group under the control of iran that the united states will not put up with this. the difficulty lies in which target to choose in order to prevent further escalation. from the beginning during this crisis, the usa and iran, countries that have been enemies for decades, avoided direct confrontation. now in the united states, biden is being called to strike iran directly. he would like to avoid this. there are a number of iran-related targets in the region that the us military could have chosen , and they have struck certain pro-iranian targets in the current standoff. but they need to choose such a goal, an impression that should ... send an even stronger signal, but here it is not so important to show that you are doing something, how to do it successfully, and therein lies the puzzle. the united states is currently leading the attack on the houthis in the red sea. however, such actions not only did not

stop the attacks of the houthis, on the contrary, they increased their number, but actually brought them to the place where they sought to be in the center. so whatever america's response is. it is unlikely that attacks by militants supported by iran will stop. what will really stop them is an end to the gas war, a truce, which president biden is not calling for, at least not yet. publicly. and with we are in contact with oleksandr kraev, an expert of the foreign policy council of ukrainian prizma. and we just heard a bbc correspondent say that, on the one hand, this is an internal political issue, and donald trump has already reacted to it. you said that joe biden's answer would depend on the current political situation. but what about donald trump, what was his reaction? in fact, the reaction of trump himself as his reaction. trump's taper among the republicans was quite strange, as you remember, even during his presidency,

trump distinguished himself as quite tough position on iran, we will also remember the assassination of general suleimani, we will remember the attacks against hezbollah when they joined forces with wagner's russian mercenaries, we can remember the new sanctions imposed by trump, or the support of israel in the fight against iran, but at the same time trump is saying the exact opposite, he's saying about... that biden would be a fool to lead to a big war, so he has to stand up for americans, but he has to be careful, because i know biden, he can make mistakes, he can make fools of themselves, and the same is echoed by vive kramaswamy, marjory taylor green and all his other supporters, that is, it turns out that trumpism and patriotism still have certain differences, and they are not so strong in their hawkishness, in their aggressiveness, as they were before. i'm still interested. about the reaction in general among republicans and among democrats, on what did their views converge and,

on the contrary, diverge? yes, well, the majority of conservative republicans, we'll leave the trumpists aside for now, they agree with the top leaders of the democratic party, that it is necessary to respond , it is necessary to strike back, it must be balanced , it must be, as american congressmen often like to say, surgically precise, it must show that the states in ... have the initiative, they can strike such blows and hold the region in stability, but at the same time it should not cause an even greater escalation, an even greater reaction from iran. we've heard such statements from, say, lynsey graham, we've heard such statements from democratic leaders in both the senate and the house of representatives, that is, trumpists in they are essentially the only ones who say that biden is doing everything wrong and will continue to do it wrong, even if he protects american interests. well, a war, a broader war, as you said in the region, in principle, neither iran needs it,

nor the united states, especially after the war in gaza. what is your prediction of how things might unfold? in fact, the most likely scenario seems to be that the americans actually select a specific target among iranian proxies, among organizations supported by iran, and launch a strike that will allow them to destroy their logistics in some way or inflict damage. for the command staff of this organization, or disrupt in a certain way their infrastructure connection with iran, destroy fuel bases or something like that, this will be a real reaction of the united states in its classic version, that is, they will show these proxies that any further aggression will be met with an even greater response, while not being a direct attack on iran, meaning it would not be the level of provocation that could lead to a wider conflict, but on the other hand it will allow... not only specifically this organization of the united islamic front, but also , for example, hezbollah, but also, for example, the houthis,

who could also expand their own aggression in the region. that is, according to your words , there will be no direct attack on iran. thank you, oleksandr kraev, expert of the council of foreign policy ukrainian prism was in touch with us. so, sunday's drone strike on a us base on the jordan-syria border, which killed three and wounded several dozen more... us military personnel, puts president joe biden, the commander-in-chief of the us armed forces, in a difficult position. for the first time since the beginning of the war in gaza , american soldiers have died in the region. and this sharp aggravation seemed almost inevitable. since mid- october, groups supported by iran have been constantly attacking american military facilities in iraq and syria. many american soldiers were wounded, and the us regularly retaliated in both countries. but... this time , the united states will have to decide whether to blame

iran itself for what happened, an option that risks a dangerous escalation in the region, and according to biden, he has already decided what he will do, but has not yet said what exactly. and that's all for today, we're back on the air tomorrow at 9 p.m., take care. greetings, friends, live on the tv channel, the verdict program, this is the second part of our today's issue, my name is serhiy rudenko, today in the program. ukraine is threatened by a parliamentary crisis, the government rejects

the idea of ​​a government of national unity, is a broad coalition possible in the verkhovna rada. personnel rotations in the military leadership are still postponed, who needs the resignation of the head of the zsu zaluzhnyi. freedom of the press under a threat the ambassadors of the g7 spoke with the ukrainian media community. who will be responsible for the pressure on journalists? we talk about this and other things for the next 45 minutes. we work on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now. is watching live there, please take part in our vote, we are asking you this today, do you trust the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, yes, no, if you are sitting in front of the tv and watching us on tv, take it in your hands phone and vote, if you trust, then 0800 211 381, not 0800 211382, all calls to

these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce... today's guests of our studio are nikita poturaev, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people faction, head of the verkhovna rada committee on humanitarian and information policy. mr. nikita, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air. good evening. victoria syumar, people's deputy of ukraine from the european faction solidarity, member of the verkhovna rada committee on anti-corruption policy. ms. victoria, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. and yaroslav zheliznyak, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice faction. deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on finance, tax and customs policy, mr. yaroslav , i welcome you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, ladies and gentlemen, let's probably start with bliss survey, i'm sorry to ask if you trust deserving, because a lot is said about deserving over the past few days, and we ask our viewers how they

feel about whether they have confidence in the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, let's get started. ms. victoria, ms. victoria, you know, i definitely trust the armed forces of ukraine, all the military, first of all, actually, the million ukrainian men and women who are in the army today, and without a doubt, the army is a very vertical structure, which is based on on the principle of a single command, yes, and certainly trust in the zsu means trust in valeriy fedorovych zaluzhny. and probably this trust is absolutely logical, taking into account the successful actions of the armed forces of ukraine to protect ukraine, to protect kyiv, kharkiv region, kherson region, ukrainian, and even if we do not like some things now, in particular valery zaluzhny's approaches to tactics and strategies, someone may

they don't, well, they don't like, so to speak, i mean about the transition to positional warfare, to some extent, i still think that... he's well-versed in the situation, he's a personnel, a professional, a military person, and simon's book shustera just confirmed me, in fact, in trusting the industrious. well, not only simon schuster's book, but in general the actions of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine during the last two years of the great war. mr. yaroslav, please. i briefly answer yes. it seems to me that among the people's deputies, except for probably one family. without exception, you will not hear another answer, as well as confidence in the armed forces of ukraine? once again, except for one deputy, you mean, look, yes, we don't have a misunderstanding there, i don't know, there it is already a servant of the people, not a servant, well, it’s very wrong to express one’s thoughts in social

networks, which is a shame for our entire parliament, i think, er, and i hope that colleagues now er... will not object to finally bring up the question about the dismissal of a person from the position of the deputy chairman of the defense committee, or at least they will not give those mushrooms or what they were fed there before, because frankly speaking, it is really a shame, but in any case, i say, with this unfortunate exception , it seems to me that people's deputies of ukraine, regardless of their faction party affiliation, will give you an unequivocal answer and it will be yes, which completely coincides with my opinion, and now we will ask nikita poturaeva. you, mr. nikita, how do you trust the head man? i would like to start with the fact that the army cannot be trusted at all and always. automatic trust in the commander of this army, i will remind colleagues and viewers that during, for example, the war between the north and the south and the south in the united states, at

a certain time people stopped trusting the commander of the army of the north, general mcclellan, but this absolutely in no way affected the trust in the army of the federation as such, as for me personally... then i trust valery fyodorovych zaluzhny, in particular because i have no arguments, facts or grounds to somehow change my opinion? thank you, mr. nikita , why, why exactly are we asking about this, because we witnessed how events developed like lightning yesterday with the help of telegram channels, bloggers, journalists, that is, everyone started writing about the fact that there is a decree, there is a decree to appear about from... the rate of zaluzhnogo, today the mirror of the week with referring to her sources, wrote that zelenskyi met with the head

of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny yesterday and offered him to write a report on his dismissal, but did not offer another significant position, ladies and gentlemen, you can explain why all these stories are accelerating with such lightning... speed, why are there no clear explanations of what is happening, and why, if zelenskyi has no complaints against the zaluzhny, why are we not talking about the unity of the military and civilian leadership of the state, because it is in principle affects the people who are in this state, affects those who are at the front, who are fighting, well, of course, this gives russia a reason to speak there, but zelensky wants to remove the tyrant, now... it is not clear what will happen there front, and in general , now the internal struggle is starting in ukraine, why do we not have answers to these questions,

and why are they constantly pondering, added by bloggers, and distributed through anonymous telegram channels, mrs. victoria, such a whole complex, and you are actually very ob capably asked this question, i think it already has a lot of answers, yes people. they are afraid, ukrainian society is afraid, it is afraid that the army will lose control, that it will not contribute to the strengthening of the country's defense capabilities. undoubtedly, valery zaluzhnyi is a very charismatic military leader, and maybe a politician, and somewhere society, somewhere there are bloggers, somewhere observers, they understand what is being said, maybe not about military expediency, but maybe it is about flights. jealousy, and it scares the most, because it can really have a negative effect on unity, and unity is such a thing that during the war,

well, it is critically important, you understand, in fact, all this is happening literally two months before the time when the next presidential elections were supposed to take place in ukraine. the constitution is very vague on this matter, whether they can be transferred, or whether they cannot be carried out during martial law. there is no such ban, and now, when it starts in the ruling team, because zelenskyi really appointed a hard worker, and when contradictions begin in this team, when any suspicions of political zeal, it scares people in the first place because they understand that it can end very badly for the country. you know, i am a historian by training, i think we should learn now the historical lessons of a century ago. of everything that happened in ukraine, when precisely the disputes between political elites, between politicians, the inability to unite, it actually contributed to the fact that the russian

army simply conquered ukraine, the red terror, the famine and the destruction of the ukrainian statehood as such with the desire to eradicate everything and everyone there. we now want to draw conclusions, ostensibly from this history, not to repeat it, but in fact things continue that, well... let's say this, many people really perceive as an attack on unity, as serious conflicts within the ruling team itself, while we are not we do not come to the creation of a government of national unity, we say, we do not need it, everything is fine with us, we are just engaged in some banal posturing here, no, these are not banal posturing, this is a serious problem for defense capability, it seriously worries ukrainian society today, and it can have extremely serious consequences for the future of the country in general. and that is why people are worried, mr. nikita, do you know for sure whether there is a conflict between the political and military leadership of the state or not, and why, why not?

well, somehow articulated such a clear position that if zelenskyi has any complaints against zaluzhny, they can also be articulated, instead of launching an information torpedo to mariana bezuglu so that she would just poke around for half a year, forgive me for this expression in the social networks of the poor man and did everything in order to question his competence, that is, all grown-up people , everyone understands everything, if there are complaints, then they must be articulated, there are no complaints, we must say: we are the only one, this is a russian dog, now destroy the authority of the commander-in-chief and the supreme commander-in-chief, i honestly don't really understand why someone should constantly go out into the public space and say that no, we are united, no, we don't have conflicts, because then you are just a

hostage. in people who really hype clickbait in social networks, you asked, mr. sergey, at the beginning, well , who does it, well, that’s how we do it, we all do it, when we read, well, stupid, which is refuted by the ministry of defense, and stupid is still spreading on social networks , when politicians do not take their tweets or posts back, on the contrary, then they start telling, it was the office that checked the reaction of society. from which politicians did it all go yesterday, from us, what did we check there? i wouldn't want to use harsh, you know, such words right now, i think that the responsibility of politicians, first of all , is to ensure that society is not frustrated, nervous and neurotic, and i unfortunately see that a lot of... ukrainian

politicians, in particular, unfortunately, there are representatives of my own faction, carry their messenger , so to speak, a contribution to this piggy bank, and they do not do better, and it is clear that authoritative media, such as yours, for example, and, well, you have a balanced position, you check the facts, well, in this sense, well, they also have to perform this function , she is very, very important, no calm down, do not talk about problems. but to keep a frame of common sense, i would say so, it is important, not to shake up the situation day by day, but as for the situation in general, look, conflicts can be between everyone, we are people, we are not, angels and we are not robots, we we may not understand each other , we may be dissatisfied with each other

, so please don't make an idol out of anyone , i want to remind you that i believe that the country has the most authoritative journalist, an expert on military issues, this is yuriy butusov, so he regularly writes about what is happening at the front, about what is happening in the army, but he has a responsible position, i think that he sometimes goes a little overboard with political criticism, because not all the criticisms he makes to the political... leadership, they are grounded in the sense that it is not quite right sometimes, as for the analysis of what is happening in the army, he is very always measured, but clearly identifies the problems, but note, he does not name names , although whose surnames he could name, absolutely it is clear, and this surname is also in the command of our armed forces, and by the way, these are people whom i personally, i am convinced, that yura himself deeply

respects for their professionalism, for courage, for what they did and are doing, he does not name surnames on purpose, because this is a responsible journalistic position, well, yura botusav said that he turned to zelenskyi yesterday and said that he should not make these personnel reshuffles and make budanov the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, because it would be a mistake, well, that is he wrote correctly and it is correct warning, he has such, he has such an assessment, well, that is, for some reason he thinks that kyrylo budanov. is a candidate, a possible candidate for the post of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, i believe that we have many, well , bright, talented people in our army, but again , at the moment, i am like a politician, well, there is no reason to believe that valeriy fedorovych was tired there, that this is a war, this is a colossal burden, especially on the commander-in-chief, maybe he... well

, he has his own reasons to think about...