382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. our first guest is serhiy krivonos, major general of the reserves, former first deputy commander of the sso, ex-deputy secretary of the national security council. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. general, yesterday and today are enough. there is an active discussion about what happened yesterday with general zaluzhny, president zelenskyi, as the dzerkalo tskhnyi newspaper writes, yesterday he met with the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine and offered him to write a report on his dismissal, but did not offer another significant position. who, how and why, mr. general, seeks the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

there are enough people who want to remove the filth from his position in ukraine, and i will say that no matter how interesting it looks, but in the meantime, part of these people are in the president's office, the other part is in the kremlin. what unites these people? first of all, the desire to remove the industrious, and at the moment with the threat of those conversations that negotiations with russia are possible. our politicians, i cannot call them politicians, understand very well that it is precisely the hard worker who will be against these negotiations, therefore it is precisely necessary to appoint a silent loyalist and not independent at all, and there is a desire to remove the hard worker, this is the first, the second is, after all, and the wonderful popularity that zaluzhnyi has for... the ukrainian people is very annoying to certain

people who, in principle, have never done anything for the protection of ukraine and all their previous lives played the piano with different parts of their bodies. mr. general, what about yesterday we watched, first the information came out, i am absolutely sure that my colleagues, the journalists could not just spread some deza there or not... having serious reasons to spread this information, to publish this information regarding this decree, which had with to appear from zelenskyi, according to your information, there was such a decree and whether there was a decree on the appointment of budanov, they simply could not have been made public and, as a result , journalists or bloggers who started writing there with me, well... now

the truth is that we are unlikely to know 100%, because the decree could have been written but not signed, signed and not registered, registered and not exhibited, there are more than enough such options, why guess and why drive ourselves into a corner, the situation was tough enough, and in fact general zaluzhna met with the president, they talked , and what you said is true, but... directly, how it was, whether there was a decree and who was in the decree to replace it, this is another question, and i i think that the situation has not changed yet so calm, the desire of the authorities to remove the industrious remained. the british edition of the financial times writes that zelensky will still dismiss zaluzhny, as the publication writes, zelensky made it clear to zaluzhny that regardless, he will accept a new one. role or not, he will be fired,

but while the president of ukraine will wait with his resignation, due to the fact that the information got into zmi, what can be caused by the change of the commander-in-chief of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine at the current stage, what are the risks of such a rotation, mr. general? there are more than enough risks, first of all, it is sick enough to be perceived by our armed forces that protect. our ukraine, secondly, inside the country in the rear, this can lead to a certain destabilization. we are alarmed by the fact that the authorities have now actively started a hunt for vidyum, and one of the examples that one of the best combatants of the armed forces of ukraine, combatant 518 of the dyke pole battalion, was arrested yesterday and taken into custody without bail in the kharkiv court. to thing, of the kryvyi rih battalion, andriy malakhov, who in the last 20 years

of the war rose from a senior lieutenant to a major, was wounded several times, including vashka, has three state and seven departmental awards, this is only... for two years , this is just an example of the fact that the hunt has begun, trying to shut the mouths of all adequate people, today comrade andriy was arrested directly in kryvyi rih, andriy karpovych, a representative of the baynet of the nation organization, it is just shown that he is trying to trick everyone adequate, all independent, and they think... that they will be able to do it, it is unlikely that they will succeed, not to transplant everyone, although they have such a dream, taking into account the nkvd skills that are in the president's office, half of the agents are there the kremlin, and they just think that everything will be shut up, everything will be like in the 37th year. you, mr. general, are not

exaggerating now when you say that the agents of the kremlin, half of the agents of the kremlin and half of the nkvd, well, look directly at, well, their actions. correspond directly to it what they are duplicating, why these persecutions, why the discrediting of general zaluzhnyi, to whom it benefits, it benefits only our enemy, but on the other hand, mr. general, it is just shooting yourself in the foot, if you take and remove from power in of the armed forces of ukraine, from the command of the armed forces of ukraine, those who know how to fight, who... know how to fight, those who have already proven that they can win, that is, their future also depends on victory in this war. oh, you see, you're, uh, putting it all together as perfectly normal a ukrainian person with a pious attitude, as

a conscious citizen, but this also applies to you, and whether they are directly ukrainians, according to their worldview, those who rule us, what they communicate, do not do in ukrainian. they are also patriots, i am not talking about professionalism, so for me, the fact that they remove such people is their desire to continue their existence, and as we have seen in recent years, they are absolutely not interested in our victory, they are interested in winning the next elections, that's what they think about, because if they were thinking about victory, they would not be engaged in manipulations with laws, with the law on mobilization, mobilization training, but would be engaged in... the implementation of the existing law, and everything is clearly written there that mobilization is not only the transfer of military units to the states of the military time, this is the last phrase in this sentence, primarily because the transfer of the economy of ukraine to functioning in the conditions of a special period, as well as state

authorities, they did it, no, they want to win this war, if they wanted, that would be all done, inventing a bicycle is difficult enough because it was invented a long time before... we were born, our task is directly taking into account the nuances, only to choose the color that we can paint this bicycle, words and their actions do not correspond to those slogans, directly about which they tell us, they tell us that we must win, but they do nothing directly so that the state can win in this situation, but formally, mr. general, what claims do they have against the general? well, the president said that he has no complaints against the industrious general. and on the other hand, if they are pushing him to resign, or are preparing this decree on resignation, well, somehow it is necessary to explain to the military as well, because there is no point in doing it, they are trying,

look, they think that if they will be able to implement it, they will begin to press for information on other sources and without... the average, this will increase the attention of society, they did it often enough, when in order to knock down interest in a certain information message, they witnessed another message, and they think that this time it can also work in their favor, as far as their confidence is concerned, well, they are too self-confident, they think that everything will turn out well for them, but there is a commander in the middle. .. of the ukrainian army, is there unity, are there people who will say, listen, this is not the way to do to the hard-working, the hard-working is the commander-in-chief, and he has everything, well, now to exercise his right to command the army, give him the opportunity to do it all , he proved during the two years of the great war that

he knows how to command, he knows how to win back territories, don't touch him, are there people in the command staff who work with the president's office, who can, well, in principle, calmly accept that valery fedorovych will step down from the post of the head of the armed forces. interesting question. difficult given the fact that over the past four years, the authorities have powerfully purged and removed independent and proactive generals from the army, who are able to make decisions without waiting for commands from above, and they are sure that, first of all, they have everything under control, taking into account those people who, well even let's say, the appointment in november of the special operations forces, where they understood the leadership apparatus and appointed people who are absolutely loyal, not professional, but

very loyal directly to the office of the president, then this just shows that in other branches of the military, they also have such confidence, so it is difficult to say about the armed forces, each person has his point of importance, but taking into account the fact that in the last years of ukraine's independence , a certain approach was formed in the army. to the inability of people to be independent, they advanced enough often those people who clearly carried out any orders of independence, whether they were smart or stupid, well, this is what military discipline relies on, but in the meantime it was independently subjected to punishment, and it all started with its formation of cadets at the level of educational institutions, for example, not of the prilviv academy, where the cadet spent four years as a slobbery calf, and then disappeared... he had to immediately become an initiative officer. mr. general, this possible personnel rotation, which is already

in principle, which has been talked about for a long time, but obviously it can be sooner or later, it obviously, it is similar to this, because the information torpedo of mariana bezugla continues to torpedo the head of the armed forces of ukraine. of course, you can ignore it, but we have western partners, they are used to trusting... persons, figures, who, with whom, with whom they are negotiating, how does this affect the negotiation process with our international partners, how much for them it is important to see a general in charge of the army whom they trust, and financial assistance or arms assistance from the united states depends on this america, great britain or germany? well, those partners who help us, then from... of course we would like to understand who and how will spend the resources they provide

for waging war with the russian federation, but in the meantime to say that the government, the existing government is not working with our partners and does not justify their desire for reassignment, this should also not be directly shelved, i understand that she also tried to form certain points of view on... the implementation of their desire to remove the general zaluzhny, the situation is difficult enough, and i will say that, well, i am surprised at certain moments, the authorities are trying to push zaluzhny out of his position with their hands and feet, instead of him fighting normally, they will do everything to make him go into politics , and for sure he will have much more chances in politics than the same... zelensky, but at the same time , i understand that, as a result of the hunt for the navem, which has begun, as soon as, if by god's will,

the tyrant is removed, then a powerful discredit information operation as general zaluzhnyi, as well as his entourage, they will start inventing criminal cases, instigate, begin to pack all the people involved in zaluzhnyi and spread information about it in order to divert attention from the inaction of the political leadership. to make scapegoats of the military, well, but this is a dangerous thing in the conditions of war, in the conditions of the trust that general zaluzhny has now, that is, the rating of trust in valery zaluzhny is quite high, higher than the rating of trust in zelensky according to some polls, and here well, it is also a question of how people will react in this situation, how they will perceive the current president zelenskyi, and to these matters. which you say that one way or another may arise if, if suddenly this, this

matter will develop, what will be the reaction of people, well especially in the ranks, because we understand that people are trained, they are military, they are very good own guns, when they see injustice they can basically, well, respond accordingly, you're all pushing me to... what i would say is where they start to grind the russians, and then roll it out in the information space, we are a democratic state, and that is why we protect our state, and... in order to prevent such certain cases, which certain people, including the green government, dream of, to provoke such things. we are patient to the last, although the patient can break away. and as regards, again, the ability of the military to make decisions, the historical example shows that, during the war, and even after the war, it is

the military who are able to save their countries and raise them to a new level of development. let's remember. the same charles de gaulle, who saved the country, france, during the war, and saved it twice after the war. let's remember the excellent example of general eisenhower, who after the end of the war, after some time became the president of the united states in a row. such examples are more than enough. and in this, in this line , there is still an example of general pinachet, quite such a, you know, controversial, but ... official, but meanwhile, some believe that he saved chile, some have certain claims, the question is not that , the question is that the process has already taken place, we can only state that the worst thing is that the authorities, pushing the hard-working into politics, are somehow sure that they will be able to shut anyone's mouth, like at one of the meetings in the office the president

, they said, we have enough power to imprison everyone and shut everyone's mouths, an interesting moment, well, god forbid that these forecasts and these threats are no forecasts, this is just the average of their wishes and their view of the situation, we have independence is in the blood, and we in crimea have the ability to make decisions independence and the wishes of the government, that is why we survived even in february 22nd, that we did not look at the inaction of the government, but that we did exactly what we needed, defended our own land, without asking a single tzab from the bank, that us to do mr. general, let's talk about the financial and military aid from the united states of america, because the congress of the united states of america cannot in any way pass a decision on providing ukraine with 61 billion

dollars, the termination of the supply of american military aid to ukraine is already being felt during the hostilities... this was emphasized by united states secretary of state antony blinken at a press conference with nato secretary general jens stoltenberg. let's hear what blinken said at stoltenberg's press conference. we've now run out of aid to ukraine, and we're even seeing some evidence of what that means on the battlefield. but also, if the united states does not fulfill our obligations, then it will be complicated. for europeans and other countries to continue doing what they are already doing, so i think it matters a lot, even more than a lot. i believe that it is very important that we fulfill our obligations. mr. general, how can you avoid this catastrophe that blinken is talking about, because

it is clear that the united states of america provides a lot of weapons to ukraine, right? can the germans compensate for this or great britain at the moment when the americans cannot give us this money and weapons? first of all, if i were you, i would not use the word catastrophe, because the catastrophe is still far away, and we have our own capabilities even more than enough, and if you count the amount of money that was stolen and or used for its intended purpose only last year, and if in the year before last, then it will be... billions in dollar terms, so the question is not that only we all guilty, perhaps, and we should have long ago developed a clear understanding of how we can win this war that will unite the nation, how we can raise the economy, prepare society to be able to defend our own country and

prepare our territories when the dilettantes self-righteous people run the country, what do you want to hear? from them, they will promise you mountains of gold, but you will never see them, you have been going out and looking for years, you have seen the growth of a billion of those trees that you were told about, you go out and see that every grandmother has babushka von, yes , they promised us there, they lie just to lie, and the next lie is interrupted in advance, so for us it is necessary to understand that there are no questions, catastrophes, i would refuse such a word on at this stage, and secondly, still not only to expect that someone will give us something, to raise questions. and to say that in the future we are ready to pay for the equipment, ammunition and other equipment that will be provided to us, to pay in the future, well

, the time has come to admit that the time has passed, and still due to the inaction of the authorities and the inability to organize production both inside the country and outside the borders on a large scale, we still have to pay for these mistakes, no matter how popular it is, because... now it is about the survival of the country and about survival nation, that is why the time comes to pay for everything in our life, just about 30-plus years, which we did not do in complete sheep, which we had to do, having wonderful abilities, but the time has come to raise questions and still pay, not now, not the day after tomorrow, but still, if we clearly define what we will pay for the products that we will receive from... certain directions, then the quantity of these products will increase significantly, because in the capitalist world no one wants to produce products simply yes, and factories which

are idle in european society in american society, they can produce much more if they understand that they will still make money from it over time, it’s just a matter of time, mr. general, you mentioned corruption in the ministry of defense, well, in... in the army, there is the case that got to the sbu, and they finally dealt with it, is the lviv arsenal, where they tried to steal 1.5 billion hryvnias for the purchase of ammunition, in particular, the sbu detained the former head of the department of military-technical policy, development of weapons and military equipment of the ministry of defense oleksandr liev, the higher anti-corruption court has already rejected the petition for... liev is in custody, liev himself says that the suspicion handed to him is absurd, and the detention is an unfortunate misunderstanding, let's listen to what

this man says, the economic case was won by the state of ukraine, the appeal and the main instance established that the ministry of defense has a legal contract, a legal contract, and that 200 million sanctions from this campaign were due under this contract, but the reasons for its non-fulfillment really need to be understood, probably in criminal proceedings, and i am ready to selfishly promote that this, well, let's say that it is carried out as soon as possible, and that , including, the money be returned, and in general, this case will be considered as a case that the ministry of defense will in the future, well, make all the conclusions, so that this and that is unique. mr. general, who do you think is responsible for the corruption of the ministry of defense? those people who are in leadership positions in the ministry of defense are

people who are appointed by certain officials, but the question must be asked, whose people are these and who appointed them, and directly, who bears responsibility for their appointment, it is fast enough, because there are no ordinary people there, just as there are not many professionals there, but... meanwhile, all these people are appointed in agreement with the office of the president and the cabinet of ministers. how do you think those who steal from the army during wartime should be dealt with? everything is very simple, cross more than enough free branches. and one more question, mr. general, regarding mobilization 2024, because it is literally february 6. this draft law should reach the verkhovna rada, whether it has already reached it, but it will be obvious the law on mobilization will be considered starting from february 6, do you think

the commander-in-chief should personally present this bill in the verkhovna rada, because in the last interview with the german newspaper ard he said that the military had prepared something there, and we will see what what is actually in the law, a good question, i would like to ask a counter question... and does he know his degree of responsibility and duties in the existing law on mobilization and mobilization training? from my point of view , this law is more than normal professionally prescribed, pay attention, from the 14th to the beginning of the 23rd year, we had no problems with this law, it worked, and then for some reason it suddenly stopped working, so maybe the problem is in the implementation of this law? in this, well, in this situation, e. zelensky is responsible, including for this law, do i understand correctly? of course, the duties of the president, what exactly and how

he must do, are clearly spelled out there. there is a huge number of his duties and, first of all, attempts to change and amend the law, i consider this as an attempt to get into power from responsibility and transfer this responsibility first of all to the military, although in the existing law in this version, what we have and do, the military is somewhere at the very end of the list of responsibilities, they are consumers, and most importantly, here are the listeners of the president, we always understand , or the authorities , we understand that they perceive mobilizations as purely fulfilling the capacity to fill military units with citizens of ukraine, first of all, it is the capacity of the economy to work in, especially on the rails of a special period, we do not see this at all, the authorities do not deal with this, therefore the authorities, realizing that sooner or later they will have to bear responsibility for inaction, are trying to change this law and divert

the attention of society. from the unprofessional actions of the authorities, according to the governing documents. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, this was serhiy kryvonos, reserve major general of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we continue our work on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook. not save yourself, please like this video, let this video trend on youtube and watch this video as much as possible. our viewers in ukraine and outside of ukraine, well, take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether you trust the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, yes, no, if you vote on youtube, everything is quite simple, or your own opinion, write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you trust the worthy 0800 211 381. no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to

these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with oleg hrybachuk, head of the center for joint actions, former vice-prime minister for european integration and former head of yushchenko's presidential administration. mr. oleg, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, it's good to see you again, i think you've been following the whole... currently, these are rumors about the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, affecting the way our western partners perceive, that is, do they even understand what is happening in ukraine, i mean with those people who lead the armies, on whom the victory of ukraine depends? obviously, this

is a side effect of the management system that our president built, when he and his five or six advisers pull everything out for him, and he announced this at a press conference, and i well remember that the first publications about zaluzhny's resignation, ukrainian... said that the entourage of bankova street said that andriy was the first to pay attention to the phenomenon of zaluzhny and his ratings, and andriy began to whisper and everyone said, oh sure, something must be done about it, because the person's rating is so high, it can be a threat , well, andriy kept whispering, yermak, yermak, you mean, yes, yes, yes, well, who is there with us,

we have there... one, and i don’t know, maybe there are some other andrii, but, andriy yarmak was the first to sound the alarm, and the people there said that, yes, indeed, we somehow did not pay attention, here it is the problem, and here it is, it was somewhere there a few months ago, as a result we have a typical ukrainian situation, which i can say that it is clear to me that the release of the laborer is only a matter of time, i think... this is also understood in the west , and i saw there that you asked the guest if the event could somehow slow it down or affect it, er , it is already an irreversible process, it is like metastases of cancer in the body, when the president does not have a relationship with the head or?