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for smart and caring people, in the evening at espresso. well, the information day of the espresso tv channel continues, let's move on to the top news, to the top positive news. so, the icing on the cake: the europeans did agree on the allocation for macrofoam, about this and other things, about 50 billion dollars for the ukrainian economy, we will talk with tetyana vysotska, our native espresso correspondent in the european institutions. union, glory to ukraine, dear tatyana , we congratulate you and thank you, because, let it be a small thing, but your work was also in this, because you lashed out at european politicians, with the words, where is our money, where is the money for ukraine, when you will kill orbán, well , we fought orbán with joint forces, that is , meetings with ciyarto took place, we think, there were many different side meetings at the level of brussels and so on. and

so on, so tetyana, once again, glory to ukraine, congratulations, spill everything you know about the 50 billion dollars agreed for ukraine. glory to the heroes, and i also congratulate everyone with the great news: 50 billion euros, which is a little more than dollars, will be provided by the european union to ukraine over the next four years, such a decision was made today, finally, as you rightly said, orban was broken, and.. . it turned out to be interesting, it was orban who agreed to support ukrainian 50 billion not during the meeting of the summit of eu leaders, but before that during an informal informal meeting, as it was, yesterday orban came to brussels in the evening and was invited by charles michel, the president of the european advice on dinner, ugh, other leaders of the european union were supposed to be present at this dinner and were obviously gathering. during this dinner

to have a conversation with orbán, but orbán did not come to the dinner, instead he went to the farmers, talked to the farmers, once again made such a jab, a pin in the direction of ukraine, stating that the european commission is doing wrong, supporting ukrainian farmers, not european farmers, and therefore until this morning it was not at all clear what orban was going to do and what his follow up, today. in the morning at the press point, journalists were waiting for his arrival, so that he would approach the press and, like all other leaders of the european union who arrive at the summit, they state their positions, make announcements, give comments and so on, orbán did not come to the press, i.e. the intrigue was already from the morning, and later it turned out that orbán went immediately to a closed meeting with charles michel, the head of the european commission. the head of

the european council, the head of the european commission ursela fondeyan and the heads of france, germany and italy, and here she is in this in the military circle, they started the actual summit of the leaders of the eu states together with orban, and during this conversation orban was somehow promised something, that he agreed to approve 50 billion euros, then in the process this group was joined by other heads of states... the netherlands, poland and spain, then three more leaders of the baltic states came, that is , the closed meeting expanded and expanded, and at some point orbán said yes, and then everyone already moved to the big hall, where all 27 eu leaders approved our 50 billion, here such was the intrigue and yes it was gradually implemented, actually no one has yet.

but i would like to clarify with you, but look, over time, they did not promise that orban wanted them to actually review and make these annual reports every year, whether anything is known about the conditions. to which orbán agreed, well, in fact, in the document that was voted by the european parliament on october 17 of last year, which described in detail the ukrainian fund ucla facility, it was said that every year the european commission should publish a report on ukraine's fulfillment of the commitments in within the framework of this financial mechanism, and actually nothing new has been added at the moment , it was the same with you... every year about the implementation of the plan by ukraine and only added a point that for some reason is considered a compromise with orban, but in fact, i will describe it to you now and you will see that there is nothing so revolutionary at this moment. if the leaders of the eu

or the european commission recognize the need to review the ukrainian fund, it can be done in two years. that is, not annually, not now, not in 2024, but only in 2025, at the end of the year, and only if this decision will be supported by all the leaders of the states of the european union, that is, to review our 50 billion and completely, for example, rewrite or stop or do something with this program, it is possible only if it is supported by all the leaders of the european union, and this can only be done after 2 years, although of course . eh, yes, yes, yes , that is, there is nothing terrible in this, and the fact that orbán agreed to this and decided that it was his, if a handout, it is quite strange, obviously there were some other agreements with orbán, which we soon we will find out from the news from others, therefore

that he hardly compromised on such a trifle, in any case, yes, yes, yes, very well described the situation regarding orbán. yes, polish prime minister donald tusk, saying that it is not ukraine in the european union that they are already tired of, but orban, and tusk is really heavy european artillery, that is, a person who, so to speak, occupies a certain chair in poland, and a person with enormous european experience, and he knows how, in case of something, you can, so to speak, sweetly fry the hungarian autocrat, but there is still one story that has not yet been resolved. in particular, we are talking about promises made by the same french president, not only him, we are talking about a million artillery ammunition for ukraine. we understand that the europeans are lagging behind, it is difficult for me to say what the internal reasons are, but the fact remains the fact, and our

top political leadership and our military speak about it, everyone knows about it, the europeans know about it too, tatiana, will it be possible to change this situation now? and by the way, the issue of defense is still being discussed right now eu leaders are behind closed doors, but the assistants of certain leaders have already come out and said that do not wait for news on this matter, that is, it is just the clocks ticking, each state talks about what it can do, what its potential is, what it can give to ukraine, and that's how this kind of planning goes on at the highest level, about ammunition, about ammunition yesterday... here in brussels, there was an informal meeting of the foreign ministers of the european union, just discussing defense issues, and just during that the meeting discussed issues related to the supply of ammunition, it is already clear that ukraine will not be able to receive

the promised million by march 2024, but joseph borel, the high representative of the european union for foreign affairs, said that by march in... ukraine should receive more than 500 thousand ammunition , it is still something, because as of now only 330 have been handed over to us, that is , the european union has big plans for the next months and it is obvious that there is potential, but ukraine must receive the million promised ammunition by the end year, - said perel, and we will believe him. and i would like to add for a second about our 50 billion, because in fact. is not over yet, the fact that the european council approved this decision today does not mean that tomorrow we will be given some money, because as it turned out, ah, now this same mechanism again, the document that was amended must be voted the european

parliament, and negotiations are still ongoing with the european parliament, and the only thing they assured is that the european deputies will not change the numbers, that is, 50 billion will remain. 50 billions, but the text of the agreement on the ukrainian fund may still be amended by the european council. thinks he plans to finish the negotiations with the european parliament next week, sometime on monday-tuesday, and there will already be some final text, because the text will not be published today, and the ukrainian, ukrainian fund of 50 billion euros will be put to the vote of the european parliament only on the second part, at the second session in february, which begins on the 26th, that is, before march, no tranche from the eu in within the framework of these thank you, tetyana vysotska, a press correspondent,

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boat of the russian federation, ivanovets, went to the bottom after the attack of the main one. the intelligence directorate, the ministry of defense, our guys hit this missile boat and it went to the bottom, where it belongs. ugh, but we are now adding tetyana boyko to the conversation, coordinator of housing, communal and energy programs of the public network of opora. mrs. tatyana, we congratulate you. good day. so, denys shmegal, the prime minister of ukraine, made a statement that until the end of the heating season, utility tariffs will remain unchanged, all tariffs , including electricity, will not increase in price, would you like your comment on this matter, or in general, there were prerequisites to believe that tariffs could rise, because, as far as my memory serves, we currently have a certain moratorium, while we are under martial law, and whether mr. shmyhal is not lying now, it is actually a very

difficult question, and you and i are guessing over coffee grounds, because i am not... a politician, only politicians make such decisions, i am an economist, and i can say that ukraine has long taken course and commitment to the countries of the european union, that it will integrate our markets into the european markets, and this means that it will establish the same rules that are in the european markets, but now... well , it seems in connection with the martial law , although it started a little more than the pre-war state, these all processes are stopped, which i mean , as of now, it looks like if we were to integrate our markets with european markets, i mean retail markets,

that is, when the market is not only gas, electricity, ee for.. . business, it is also for retail consumers, then household consumers, i.e. the population, then the tariffs would have to be raised significantly, this is one question that our international partners can ask the question at the end, we know that there is no european tranche yet, there is no another american tranche, i don't have any information about some agreements , but it is quite likely that our partners may ask, and when will you finally begin to fully or partially fulfill your obligations, and this would mean releasing the price, i.e. no longer regulating the price by the state, and if it were released now on gas and electricity, so it's rougher to say,

it's much rougher, because no one knows exactly how the market will react, but you can take a rough look. price for industry, the price for electricity would be somewhere around 6 uah per kilowatt/hour, well, the price for gas, well , i think somewhere from uah 12, but i am not sure that, uh, our partners are making such a demand for us to do it right now, uh, maybe there are some this is a question, and it is possible that ukraine will gradually take this course. gradually increasing prices, eh, but there is another question, that we have a huge debt for electricity, internal or external? when in

our union there is not enough money in the budget, let's put it mildly, we understand that social expenses will actually be covered from the money that the european union and our allies promise to give us, and if actually this was just a prelude to what i said that we, that is, we now have such a situation in terms of gas that we can provide for ourselves... at the expense of that our consumption has decreased , and one more thing, that we do not invest in production at all, well, this, and this needs to be done, that is, but in terms of gas, let's say, we are somehow still struggling, in terms of electricity, we have about 80 billion in domestic debt , and this is a big problem for individuals or legal entities, because there is... a difference here as well question, so to speak, but we understand that the moratorium has been lifted, these are not debts, i am not saying that these are debts of the population for electricity, these are

debts that were formed due to the fact that the tariff for the population is uah 2 with pennies, for businesses it is uah 6 , that is, the cost price, it is somewhere around uah 5, about uah 6, well... but now this difference is covered by various mechanisms there, but they were different every year, but different market participants cover it with their own funds, which means then you think that after all, light tariffs should be revised upwards, it is necessary it has been done for a long time, well, it's just a question of how much it will be, well, how much political will there will be for it? we understand that this money is not taken from anywhere, that is, this sum is somewhere around 80 billion, and this, which means that the state budget does not receive this money,

which could be used for something else, it is obvious that part of it would go to subsidies, because subsidies should be given to uh more people, but uh, i guess that's one of those questions that we're being asked, maybe by the international monetary fund, maybe by others partners, european partners, just now all these negotiations are not public, i do not have any insider information, but knowing that in the pre-war period our international partners always asked about this, maybe they already said that, well, they are very worried stability, ms. tatyana, completely agrees with everyone. are very concerned not only about stability, but also about social justice, so we understand that at one time the current owners of what are called energy companies, they became owners

of property that belonged to the state, yes, well accordingly, there is also the issue of mechanisms , whether they were properly analyzed, how , for example, certificated privatization was carried out, who bought, who did not buy , who honestly, who dishonestly, whose hands, so to speak, curl. so we understand that our population is poor, a significant part of our population is simply poor, critically poor, and if, for example, the state would begin to implement all the macroeconomic advice from the international monetary fund , it could all end, as in that or other progressive latin america, we we understand that, in some places they directed so that such terry populists came to the continent... you won't even find them, we understand, we are talking about venezuela and not only venezuela, well, accordingly, here we have to start with some mature formula, yes,

because we have a population, 70%, which may simply not survive if we hear all the things we would like to do in the international monetary fund, on the other hand, we have a budget that also needs to be kept afloat, because there is we have colossal expenses and the war, and the european union has a tranche of 50 billion. here is another question about america, well, a difficult year , here is a healthy golden formula, what could it look like, well, actually, i think that the government will look for this formula, well, that is, it will not happen, i said, that is, well, what do i predict , they demand, well, what are you wearing? european partners, maybe the american international monetary fund, that you took on these obligations, well, i just suspect that they could say that if war is war, but

it's time to move on. direction, maybe they won't say, let's go there already from april we raise the tariff, there, well, and i think it’s very bad, you know, if only we raise the tariff, and not make all the market rules, well , that’s really only going to happen, it’s just going to play out badly, and there won’t be such a thing requirements, you know, right from april under... raise to 6 or 7 hryvnias per kilowatt/hour, although such a scenario is likely there, i think that the government will look for such an opportunity, but most likely that this way, well, the rails that we will have to stand on are subsidies for those who need, and so that those who can well, they paid in full, how much will this

increase be and will it even be now? "what do you think, ms. tatyana, and this moratorium , which was lifted on disconnection from the utility company for debts, is the right decision, considering the situation with paying for utility services, we understand that some people really do not have the opportunity, some people do not pay, because you can not pay, and here i would like your expert opinion, do you think this decision was correct, you understand, we have a problem, you mentioned, mr. host, that we have a lot of things." him mixed up, in our country quite often, unfortunately, monopolists abuse their monopoly position, and the national regulator, which should be an independent arbiter, does not intervene so much, but very often takes the position of this monopolist, and therefore part of these debts are really is drawn, well, that is, the question is whether they really exist, there are a number

of cases, when - when these debts actually do not exist, but they are on paper, and you already have to prove that in fact they do not exist, such a problem also exists, but in general the fact that the population began to abuse what is not allowed pay for utility services, this is also true, so in principle i believe that this was the right decision, because you are the owner, property is an obligation... well, no one in the store sells bread for free, there are products, i i just went out there with my child before the broadcast, bought it, it seems, i didn't even buy meat there, but i bought some necessary products there for 900 uah, this basket used to be there a few years ago, well , it cost two to three times less, but but that's how it happens and the same... the same

with communal services, it's not something, well that is, nothing is taken from anywhere and does not disappear anywhere, there is an objective reality and it is necessary to take these funds somewhere, since we can no longer cover internally, as a country, for example, where business paid for us , at first there was such a model, now there , for example, energoatom does not pay extra into the budget and pays either on... ms. tetyana, excuse me, but unfortunately we have to finish already, the airtime affects, tetyana boyko, coordinator of housing, communal and energy programs of the opora public network, was with us in touch, in the meantime, we will pass the floor to irina koval, who has already prepared fresh information for you together with the news editor, so iro, we will give you the floor, and actually tell what this issue will be about. thank you, marta, what is in this issue about the destroyed ivanovtsi, about new types of weapons.