program, we conducted a survey , we asked you about the following: do you understand zelenskyi’s claims to zulazhnogo, 25% yes, 75% no, it’s on tv, on youtube we have 85 people who don’t understand and 15% who do, we put a full stop on that, it’s the verdict program, it was conducted by serhiy rudenko, i wish everyone good health, goodbye. 50 billion from the european union, ukraine will still receive macro-financial assistance from the eu. we explain what this means in today's issue of bbc ukraine. i am olga palomaryuk. despite the reluctance and attempts to block it by hungary the european union agreed to give money to ukraine. less than needed to cover. budget deficit,

but the importance of today's decision is not only about money, experts say. a unanimous yes for ukraine was heard in brussels today. yes, worth 50 billion euros, this is the amount of financial assistance that should support the ukrainian budget. what does this mean and how will it work? in order. ukraine will receive eur 50 billion within four years. initially, it was expected that the aid would come evenly, but the ukrainian government turned to brussels with a proposal to allocate an increased portion of aid in the first two years. this year they expect to receive 18 billion euros. about the same as last year, but a lot is a lot. ukraine's external financing needs are more than 37 billion dollars. well, here it is worth emphasizing that

the decision is extremely important for ukraine, because in the conditions of the war, it is very dependent on western donors, which finance about half of the budget expenses. president of the european council charles michel, announcing today's decision, wrote: additional ukraine's support package provides permanent, long-term and predictable financing. volodymyr zelenskyi saw the powerful unity of the european union in today's decision. beautiful the president of the european parliament roberta metzola called the news of the event. ukraine is our priority. and that's why we needed the consent of all 27 member states within the framework of the eu budget. this adds trust, legitimacy and predictability, which are expected from us, because the security of ukraine is the security of europe. and for this we must fulfill the obligations which agreed two years ago that we will be with ukraine as long as necessary.

well, without exaggeration, today's event is extremely important also considering how everything happened, how long the negotiations took, well, we will talk about that later, but here is what is worth emphasizing: 50 billion euros, this money will not go to military needs , the financing of the armed forces of ukraine is covered on its own, we are talking about budget expenditures, that is, about financial stability for the coming years, and this is how the president told the western audience about this decision. the stakes are very high and i think important thing for ukraine in this situation , which president volodymyr zelenskyi emphasized in his reaction, is an expression of european unity, when 27 member states finally united for the councils of ukraine, despite very difficult and rather tough, i would say, negotiations, disputes , persuasion and even threats to take action against hungary if it does not join the rest. so that was it. easy to achieve, but

extremely important for ukraine. president zelensky emphasized that it is about economic and financial stability for of ukraine in the long term. do you remember how just two years ago, many people did not even believe in the possibility of this war, and now the third year of the confrontation is starting. and war is expensive, it needs crazy money, and it is not only about bullets, shells and ammunition, it is also about cash, so that the state machine continues to work, so that pensions are paid, so that there is one's own. and heating, teachers continued to receive salaries, but of course this is also political support, because this government needs people to stay in ukraine, support troops in the rear in addition to international aid, a lot depended on this decision, and that is why such relief and such gratitude were read in the response of the ukrainian authorities. the whole point of this package is to ensure ongoing support for ukraine, it's not just about trying to make deals every few months or every year, it's about...

showing ukraine that europe is committed to supporting it, and we've heard ursula von stress that repeatedly derlein. europe repeated again and again: we are with you as long as necessary. but also... sometimes people in ukraine is asked: exactly how much do you mean when you say how much is needed, because the war will continue and ukraine will need help. so i think that kind of long-term stability and the ability to plan something, just to keep the government going while the war is going on, is absolutely vital. and ukraine , in all its speeches, also emphasized the key issue, that it is not only about ukraine, it is about european security, it is about a much bigger task of resisting attempts. russia is trying to change the world order by force, and ukraine is doing it with support of europe, so 27 votes in favor were really important for her. this is a big drop in a huge ocean, they need this money, but they need much more. there is certainly a great deal of concern about american

funding, the fact that it is blocked and that it is hindered by the domestic politics of the united states. and people here in politics understand it and accept it. they can't do anything about it, they're just on... to be heard, but at least the fact that europe has succeeded is already extremely important, both politically and financially, but also as a moral support, because this is a country for which the course of the war is not too favorable. you know that heavy fighting is going on all along the front line, without much progress and understanding that this war can be long. so i think it is important not only for the ukrainian government, but also for the ukrainians themselves, to feel the solidarity of europe in this very difficult situation. yes, but do today's events really show the solidarity of europe? we talk about it with our guest valery kluchuk, head of the tower's public analytics center on our broadcast, i congratulate you, valeria, how did you

expect today's decision? i congratulate you, well, in fact, i was expecting this decision, but i had a reservation that we are still holding it because of... hungary's ability to review this issue annually, however, i will say for myself that i was even ready for this decision, of course, considering that this is a kind of blackmail, and for me the appearance of the message that we will receive 50 billion euros in the next four years, well, it was an incredible event, why, because the unity of the european union was very seriously undermined, by the way, about it is very your journalists are right, and this is a very serious challenge that we couldn't help but to... evaluate and it's good that today exactly 27 votes, i was quite skeptical about the idea of ​​belgium presiding over the european council, which a few weeks ago talked about the fact that they would demand that hungary still vote together with everyone and not apply a special procedure to them, which would deprive them of the right to vote. in

this part , slovakia was a serious obstacle, but the negotiations with slovakia went well last week, when in hungary the prime ministers of ukraine met and... then an agreement was also reached, it was already clear that slovakia would not be an obstacle, so today's decision is really a big, big start, and it is a very powerful signal, first of all, to russia , there they will understand that they cannot undermine their proxies, let's say, the politicians who are in europe, the unity of the european union is a very positive signal across the atlantic to the united states of america, where the republican candidate rejects cooperation with those politicians who actually acted against the allocation of this aid, that is why the unity of the european union, europe and euro-atlantic unity is very important here, because they are also undermining the unity of the north atlantic alliance, so from a political point of view this is actually an incredibly very positive decision

for ukraine, although i will say frankly , the ukrainians were waiting for him, and maybe not all of them to the same extent, because they are really very tired of the war, and the fact that help came earlier, they... well , it seems to me, they believed in it, the one who carefully follows, really had a certain excitement, including me, but i am very happy, i will tell you frankly that today is such good news, yes, well, under blackmail, i understand that you meant the hungarian prime minister orbán, and about the orbán factor we we will also talk, but here is what i want to ask now, under the best conditions, as far as i understand, ukraine will be allocated 18 billion euros, the money is not small, but not enough, so let's talk. states with help are delayed, what to do in this case? the crisis in the united states of america is rather, you know, even a favorable factor today for the european union, which is making other decisions against the backdrop of the lack of a decision on financial assistance to ukraine. well, here it is worth mentioning that today

the issue of creating a special military fund for ukraine was also considered , which will be created instead of the european peace fund, which was created back in the 21st year, it is not as powerful as the one proposed, so far... that there is no solution, but before that it means that the eu is launching very powerful funding programs, i don't think we will be limited there to 18 billion or 12.5, there will be other support programs, there will be... loans, there will be interest-free loans, there will also be grant funds. today, europe has a completely different attitude to the challenges posed by russia and russian aggression, especially against the background of statements from the united states of america, the same candidate trump, who says: "well, let's put it this way, not a candidate, but a candidate of candidates ". yes, donald trump, who says that it is really the united states of america that pays the check for europe's security, and this in turn is dangerous, but also positive signal for understanding. officials of their own responsibility for the fact that their security is in their hands and to rely there to a

greater extent on security issues on the united states of america, as it was actually during all times of the 52nd world war, today it is not worth it, today it is worth rebuilding the economy in this way , so that there would be more, more capacity to resist possible russian aggression. yes, well, returning to current events, without a doubt, today's intrigue was that the prime minister of hungary, so praise and help viktor to ukraine. orban, orban, who until the last boycotted this decision and did not want to make any concessions. he was leaving the hall of the european council, when they were voting to start negotiations on ukraine's accession to the eu. orbán then blocked the aid package and eventually made concessions. how did it happen? the bbc's nick torb analyzes. it really looks like mr. orbán has had to make some serious concessions. he always said that hungary in itself is not against allocating money to ukraine. , but he does not want them to come from the eu budget, and he also wanted so to speak, to have the possibility of an emergency

brake, that is, to be able to veto it in the future, and it seems that he did not get any of these conditions, but what he may have achieved is to establish himself as a representative in europe and in hungary , those forces who, before the june elections to the european parliament, claim that ukraine is not ready either for joining the eu or for membership in... but in general, for viktor orbán , it looked like a rather serious defeat on all the main stumbling blocks. i personally did not expect mr. orbán to back down. we thought he would hold out to the last, on this annual review, but he gave up after a lot of pressure, especially from donald tusk. apparently, tusk told orbán to choose who he wanted to be with , the european union or russia, and in fact viktor orbán had no choice. so exactly... everything undermined his negotiating position. valery klitchok is in touch with us. mr.

valery, we already had an example of how orban agreed, then suddenly could change his mind. oh this time, can it happen, can it let's say, the hungarian prime minister further obstruct? well, of course, he will make some statements, but in terms of formality, the withdrawal of some of his agreements there, it is unlikely to happen. there are several factors here. first , europe is demonstrating its unity. secondly, today very powerful military exercises are taking place on the eastern borders of the european union, which is evidence that europe is ready to oppose russia's military aggression. however, there is an understanding that russia will not achieve any success polyba, because of her weakness. yes, friends, the real weakness is that they cannot move the front line in any way, despite the fact that we will supposedly receive less help. this is perfectly understood, and thirdly, is it not yet a fact that the future president of the united states of america, whose support is enlisted by

orbán, i mean, donald trump can embrace this position? orban also understands this very well, the situation is not very clear for him, how it could be, how it seemed to him, as putin told him during his meeting in beijing, so i think there are a number of factors here, and of course the factor of financial support of hungary, it plays not the last role for him, as for a politician who considers himself to be a leader. hungary, as it is today, has a very important subsidy from the european union, if he does not receive it, then he will have a huge economic and, at the same time, political crisis in hungary. mr. valery, literally one more quick question at the end: in your opinion, how long is europe able to maintain unity in support of ukraine, you literally have 20 seconds there, i think that there will be unity, we passed the exam is actually for today, because of today the summit that was supposed to be effective last year, this month was really worrying for us, today's vote by 27 votes showed that

our prospects are good. thank you, valery kolochok, the head of the center for public analytics of the tower, was on our air, thank you for the analysis, mutual. well, that's all we have time to talk about today, see you tomorrow, as always, at 9:00 a.m., all the best. good evening, this is the largest discussion

platform in ukraine, the project is spoken by velikiy lviv, says good evening to everyone and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. we work in the format of a discussion studio, and today the main topic of our state is the informational one, because we cannot say that these are anonymous telegram channels, all the world's media are writing about the fact that something is happening around general zaluzhny, and it is obvious that intentions to release him may be present, but whether they will be implemented is the main question. thank you for being with us and on our youtube broadcast. the channel speaks velikiy lviv and v we say good evening to all the viewers of the nta tv channel, and today we will also talk about the law on mobilization, something that undoubtedly worries all ukrainians, there is already a new edition that has appeared in access, we are reading , we are understanding, there are people's deputies in our studio , we will also talk with them, what

will be their opinion, their decision during the vote, and that will be important, too . guests who are with us today: taras yeleyko, serviceman of the arata unit, gur of the ministry of defense of ukraine. glory to the hero. oleksandr yapchanka, senior lieutenant, platoon commander of the first separate battalion of vavka davinshchyna. people's deputy from european solidarity, oleh sinyutko, is with us today. i congratulate you, another people's deputy, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, a retired police lieutenant general. motherland, i wish you health. military expert of the euro-atlantic institute. of cooperation ihor koziy with us, good evening, good evening, taras stetskiv, people's deputy of ukraine of five convocations, good evening, good evening, eh, well, i think it will be logical to start our discussion, yes, including let's talk about 50 billion for several years, which the european union did manage to allocate, we are waiting for this money, it is

definitely necessary for the survival of our state, but all the same, here are all the conversations around... general zaluzhnyi and very it is important to hear the opinions of ordinary soldiers, mr. oleksandr , yabchenko, let's start with you, i do, you know, on the one hand, i want to formulate the question sharply, and on the other hand, carefully, because well, in fact, official sources, including the press secretary of the president zelensky, said that there are no plans to release zaluzhnyi, but nevertheless, the washington post, cnn, the world media, these are no longer just anonymous telegram channels, are all on this topic. discuss what ordinary military people think when they hear that the president can replace a hard-working general, i'll tell you, i understand that it's quite difficult for you to answer as a member of the armed forces, simply, i 'll tell you how simple i feel about information and what i do with it, of course, that i cannot

be responsible for all military personnel, i can to speak for myself, ah, for example, what information interests me right this second: valery zaluzhnyi came out with an article on the first day, just now, well, it appeared a few hours ago on the official website. i will only say that we have the thesis of this article on our telegram channel, velikiy lviv says, the main points, you can go in, open it, just watch it, we will also show it during the broadcast, refer to them. great, i'd be happy to discuss this article, what am i leading to? we have quite... a strange and unpleasant habit in our society, that's when some information is released on the official website, actually, as in this situation of the armed forces of ukraine, the official website, i am afraid that there will not be a broad discussion here, there will not be a disturbance in society, there will not be in society, you know, this

bomb effect, that something happened, in fact the article is great, it says what has already happened and what we need to do, and this is an article by a person who, sorry, in the topic, probably not the most in the country, yes, that is, there is an expert article, you are right in the world, well, that is, imagine, this is a topic for such broad conversations, but i am afraid that they are not it will be, the military will discuss it, we are already discussing it, with my colleague, my brother, who at... talked about this very article, and when information appears on anonymous telegram channels, it simply has the effect of some kind of information bombs, so what... dear everyone, well, dear compatriots, well , let's still grow up, i will appeal to this constantly, because it's a children's story when you see something that seems

so secret to you from an anonymous telegram channel, you really want to talk about it, but... the people's deputies wrote about it, a wonderful story, also referring to their sources, and in the end the international press also writes about some sources that they have in our... authorities and have such information, this was my first topic, that let's discuss reality, not the reality that someone has invented, maybe from confirmed sources, ah, well, maybe from not so much, but in any case there is reality, this is information that is made public on official resources, but there is still throw away, well, it would be good for us... to apply more attention to the first, less to the second, that's the first thing i wanted to say, you understand, the country is really buzzing with this information, but everyone wants to know what's next, so i understand, it's a difficult topic, well, don't you think that it's

it's simple for a child, well, sorry, an adult reaction is not like that, an adult reaction, you take a fact or official information and discuss it, what i mean, if this or that event happened, then we would say that this event happened, while after all, we are discussing a hypothetical, right? now the second, as regards the proper well, topics of discussion, right? the fact is that among the military, at least among the military with whom i spoke, there was no hysteria of the kind that i saw in the public field, uh, what i mean, if for ... the question is: how much the situation with the dismissal of the commander-in-chief, this is the reason , for example, for some sharp protest actions

, and i have also seen such discussions on the network, it seems to me that this, and at the same time it was discussed by people, well, whom i had not noticed before in protest actions, when for example , some really happened. situations that required going out into the street, so in the previous 10 years we had many such situations and there were many such situations, so far i have heard from people who during these 10 years had an active civic position, actively expressed their civic position, i did not hear such conversations, that is, the first , i don't see anything tragic, because i monitor what these people are saying, many of these people in the armed forces, in words, if there was any danger now, that is actually danger, danger for our country, i think we heard it from those folks, this is actually

the second part of my answer, thanks for that a question, well, actually to those theses, then to mr. yelayk, a question both in the context of theses and in the context of what is happening, we must fight, if possible, stop, because i won’t have time to read them all, there was one, turn it back now here is an important thesis. drone is the best way for ukraine, but the second thesis is important to me, we must fight the reduction, this is from zaluzhny’s article, with the reduction of military support from key allies, fighting with our own political tensions, this is important, this is what zaluzhn says, zaluzhny is talking about political tensions, then russia, taking into account how the events in the middle east diverted the attention of the international community, may try to provoke new conflicts in other places, this is understandable, and there is one of the theses. valeriy fedorovych, i don’t know, we’ll see it now, eh, the number one priority is mastering the entire arsenal of cheap, modern and highly effective anti-aircraft missiles and other technological

means, and more, and more, let’s move what was on the part of the industrious, about that we have to fight in the conditions, uh, let's put it this way, well, i won't quote there, verbatim, she was already on screens, this thesis, in the conditions of the fact that, well... we understand that it is possible to have fewer shells, definitely less human resources, and these are important theses, on the one hand, after reading this article, you understand that this article is written by a person who, well, who is definitely not going to resign, who wants to continue fighting and fighting for the ukrainian victory, and about the theses of zaluzhny, and about the situation around him, mr. leiko, you know, zaluzhny the commander-in-chief works in tandem with the supreme commander-in-chief, and

he has this tandem. is to work synchronously, we understand that something is going wrong now, and there are options, if there are several things that are going wrong, the first question is whether there are any miscalculations by our commander-in-chief, whether this entailed some serious difficulties at the front, whether it was not possible to implement ambitious plans, if you analyze... two years of war, well, we don't see such attempts in principle, on the other hand, this, this tension, it didn't start yesterday or the day after yesterday, it's already dragging on, it's dragging on for about half a year, six months , and it looks, in my subjective opinion opinion, to the urge to act, as i explain it to myself, but there is... a political struggle, and it

is not going anywhere, even in a warring country, and no matter how much one would like to unite all politicians to one goal, to defeat the enemy , and yet from time to time they strike each other, give each other injections, and because of this we lose a certain reputation on the world stage. as sad as it is to talk about it, but let's go back to the first columns, there is a certain team, and which is now in favor, is in power, well, a conventional person who went golfing to the second red in color and now drives a maybukha, er, the possibility of such an elevator

was not available for this person and many others, as i call them, so conditional. and they have one and only chance , and there will be no more, these people came under the banners of the president of ukraine, and this is one face, and if the supreme commander -in-chief of the president of ukraine in the future is not the leader, will not be the president of ukraine, then those people will return from there , from where they came out, that is , into nothingness, and no matter what it was, no matter how much they did not make the same effort in they will no longer have a political future , they have used their one chance, some to the fullest, some as best they could, some are now wringing out big business, and some are grinding small, you know, 100 hryvnias each, and at this level of their capabilities, it somehow looks ridiculous , but there is, but any person who appears... who has

a positive reputation in ukraine, this is a threat to this team, that's why the team started to beat one of them, he is also hard-working, ah, and bright the representative is a certain deputy who hysterically torpedoes it, and torpedoes not just yes, because the command was given and the decision has probably already been made, huh, and here the question is only... to find the right moment, when to pull out and who to change, so general zaluzhnyi is ready to fight further, i feel , i see that it is a fighter who holds a blow and just like that, because of someone's great wishes of hysteria, is not going to leave the war, i don't know how much he plans to build a political

career. but with those actions, he may just be driven into the political field, is this good, probably not yet good, i have great hope that it will be possible to pass such disturbances easily, because i am analyzing the moscow channels, and i see how they have already become more active. regarding the removal of zaluzhny, and you know, they are already his crazy supporters and supporters, and a bunch of bots have already rushed in, calling for the maidans, ah, it is only to their advantage to heat up this information field, in the sense that any certain our ae certain actions.